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Offline IlfordEagle

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2015, 07:03:02 PM »
Surely it 's time after this world cup to go for relative youth and stick with it come hell or high water. It's barely possible to do worse than we have in the last Ashes and this tournament. That means ditching - for all their past achievements - Bell,Anderson,Broad,Finn, Morgan,Bopara and possibly Cook too. Forget entirely about Pieterson and probably Trott as well. All of them, for different reasons - age, attitude, consistency,confidence- are past their sell by date. Bring in Root as captain and Lyth,Lees,Vince,Moeen,Buttler,Rashid, Ballence ( for tests), Taylor,Jordan,Topley,Overton,Wood,Roy. There are risks in exposing the young too soon but it would certainly show who is resilient enough to cope with international sport at the top.

i'd go with that, players will either sink or swim but as you say it can't be any worse than what is happening at the moment.

Certainly not the worst post I've seen on here, Worth a try, can't be worse than what we have now!!

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2015, 10:46:30 AM »
Gooch was on talksport this morning and you got the impression he wasn't keen on a KP recall although he does think Trott is worth giving another go.

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2015, 03:24:49 PM »
Youth, captained by Ravi.

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2015, 08:36:17 AM »
I'd have Ravi in the team but not sure about him as captain.

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2015, 01:27:15 PM »
After watching todays shambles I am sure they don't have a clue what their best team is and after listening to Moores he sounded like a dead man walking.We dont know what goes on in the dressing room but clearly something is not right.Roll on the Ashes!

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2015, 01:32:42 PM »
After watching todays shambles I am sure they don't have a clue what their best team is and after listening to Moores he sounded like a dead man walking.We dont know what goes on in the dressing room but clearly something is not right.Roll on the Ashes!

Reminds me of 1999 - when we couldn't win a game against a bunch of stiffs.  However, the obvious changes to specific people (i.e. Moores out) is one thing, but the problem is the only solutions seem not to address the actual problems - not enough people following (or playing) the game at grass roots and a seeming decline in the quality of the county game.

Ironically I think it's the lack of foreign players which is a problem now: with centrally contracted players and O/S not available enough there's not enough competitiveness or new ideas about to play the shorter game in particular.

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2015, 01:48:11 PM »

Reminds me of 1999

When England were out even before the team record was released?

This time they didn't even get to book a studio ;)

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2015, 02:31:41 PM »
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Reminds me of 1999 ...

Tonight we're gonna party like we've just been knocked out of the World Cup...

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2015, 02:50:20 PM »
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Reminds me of 1999 ...

Tonight we're gonna party like we've just been knocked out of the World Cup...

I notice that one of Prince/Glyph's early singles included "Soft and Wet". Oh the irony/humanity.

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2015, 03:17:33 PM »
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Reminds me of 1999 ...

Tonight we're gonna party like we've just been knocked out of the World Cup...

I notice that one of Prince/Glyph's early singles included "Soft and Wet". Oh the irony/humanity.

It's enough to make a dove cry.

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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2015, 03:20:17 PM »
Sign O' the times I guess.

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2015, 05:22:22 PM »
Kiss (Moores goodbye with any luck. PS Ireland are also welcome to Eoin Morgan)

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2015, 08:43:04 PM »
Get in Stu Law as coach. Start playing players like Roy, ,Vince, Stokes, Rashid.

Hales
Roy
Taylor/Lees
Root
Vince
Buttler
Stokes
Rashid
Willey??
Dunn
Topley

Could not do any worse and would be building going forward

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2015, 09:37:06 PM »
Presumably one or two of the current squad will retire from white ball cricket - Anderson springs to mind. Given the build up, the clearance of the fixture list it strikes me the coach and captain are culpable. I read that Downton has already confirmed that Moores is to stay in post. Maybe fair enough for test matches but not for ODIs where big changes are needed.

My 13 year old son's theory is that Downton decides Flower has to be replaced by Moores, which means Pietersen has to go. In his view we've sacrificed a maverick world class bat to accommodate a mediocre coach.....

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Re: Best eng 50 over line up for oz (& NZ)
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2015, 11:51:29 AM »
Presumably one or two of the current squad will retire from white ball cricket - Anderson springs to mind. Given the build up, the clearance of the fixture list it strikes me the coach and captain are culpable. I read that Downton has already confirmed that Moores is to stay in post. Maybe fair enough for test matches but not for ODIs where big changes are needed.

My 13 year old son's theory is that Downton decides Flower has to be replaced by Moores, which means Pietersen has to go. In his view we've sacrificed a maverick world class bat to accommodate a mediocre coach.....

KP is not that good - he's been found out by the better 20/20 leagues. Still potentially able to make significant contributions, but this no longer offsets his sociopathic tendencies. Time to move on from KP.

Maybe we ought to have a lions team that competes as a franchise in the IPL - that would be more use than meaningless red ball matches in damp English conditions early summer.