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Cook the new Flintoff?
« on: December 30, 2013, 10:15:07 AM »
Well I see Cookie has said he wants to carry on as England captain but does he have"it" where captaincy is concerned and more importantly is it bringing his game down?From the outside I would say he does not have "it" and it does seem to having an effect.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2013, 10:28:31 AM »
I'm not so sure - Flintoff was the best player in the team and clearly didn't have the captaincy nous about him - Cook is not our best player (probably 2nd best) and has all the attributes to be a successful skipper.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2013, 11:28:20 AM »
Ally's done OK -but no more - as skipper up to this tour. No-one, however,  ever seems to regard him as an inspiring captain, and his captaincy has been well and truly slated by several good cricket writers in the last few months, as well as idiots like Boycott. The captaincy may well have been a cause of his decline in form too. 

BUT the Big Q is: who else is there?

Matt Prior was vice-captain - enough said; Broad has captained in the one-dayers but would be a high-risk appointment. Eoin Morgan has captained in the one-dayers but not shown he's worth a place in the team (I wish he had, I love watching him bat.)

Looking at the county captains, they are a mixture of those whose England time has surely  passed  (Colly, Key, Tresco, Joyce, Read,Chapple ), overseas players and not-good-enoughs.

I suspect if Cooky resigns it'll be given to Ian Bell short-term.

Depressed? If not, why not?

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2013, 11:40:15 AM »
That's the point , who is there to replace Cook ? The cricket god's forbid that, as some more fallible beings have suggested, they should reappoint "The Ego".

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I don"t regard Boycott as being an idiot - even if I thought that he was , he'd still be an entertaining one.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2013, 12:01:54 PM »
Broad has captained in the one-dayers but would be a high-risk appointment.

Broad is a mouthy so & so but has he ever wished broken bones on an opposition player?

He also thrives on conflict.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2013, 01:14:20 PM »
Broad has captained in the one-dayers but would be a high-risk appointment.

Broad is a mouthy so & so but has he ever wished broken bones on an opposition player?

He also thrives on conflict.

Hmmm...it *might* just reign him in. He has obviously got a brain...just the thought of him being captain sends shivers down my spine but ...

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2013, 02:10:53 PM »
It's one of the flaws of the central-contract system, that England test-squad players (especially those who get central contracts young, like Cook did) no longer have much contact with the county game. So there are few cricketers regarded as test class who've had the opportunity to gain experience of captaincy at that level.

Cook had none to speak of before being appointed England captain. And he's proved to be, at best, an uninspiring and uninventive skipper. But it is hard to see a viable alternative at the moment.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2013, 02:14:54 PM »
With his effeminacy, I'd have thought Cook would be better suited to captain the England Women's cricket team.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2013, 02:20:39 PM »
But it is hard to see a viable alternative at the moment.

How about giving Eddie the Eagle a try, he's probably surpassed his aspirations of being an Olympic ski jumper and may fancy a throw of the dice at cricket.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2013, 03:39:19 PM »
With his effeminacy, I'd have thought Cook would be better suited to captain the England Women's cricket team.

I can understand your antipathy towards Bopara & RTD.

I don't get it with Cook though.

He couldn't play for us even if he wanted to.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2013, 04:37:58 PM »



He couldn't play for us even if he wanted to

A few more failures and he might be able to, although I very much doubt whether he'll want to, after all, he's never shown much inclination to play for ECCC when he has been available, apart of course from the obligatory couple of matches which may be mandatory in order to keep his registration up to date.

Anyway, where's this compassion suddenly emanating from, is it some kind of New Yr's resolution, next you'll be joining Finetrickle in the Larry Grayson Mutual Admiration Society stakes. ;D

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2013, 06:07:14 PM »
next you'll be joining Finetrickle in the Larry Grayson Mutual Admiration Society stakes.

They'll need to measure me for a straightjacket first.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2013, 03:56:24 PM »
next you'll be joining Finetrickle in the Larry Grayson Mutual Admiration Society stakes.

They'll need to measure me for a straightjacket first.

I take it you won't be attending his 50th anniversary as ECCC Head Charabanc, then. ???

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2013, 05:00:44 PM »
I take it you won't be attending his 50th anniversary as ECCC Head Charabanc, then. ???

"Doctor Who" recently celebrated a 50 year anniversary despite being off the air for about 20 of those years.

Let's hope Larry enjoys a similar hiatus.

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Re: Cook the new Flintoff?
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2013, 07:19:58 PM »
If Cook is sacked/steps down from the England Captaincy then the cupboard is a bit bare, I share the misgivings of others re Broad (too much of a hothead & not mature enough plus he is a bowler & they generally don't make good Captains), Heaven help if The Ego got it again, far too early for Root, Morgan - no way ,he's not enough good enough for the A Team only for 1 day cricket, there isn't any other viable alternative.
Perhaps Fossie could be given it to solve the W/K problem at the same time for both Essex & England & we could then get a new Captain - little bit of Devil's Advocate here before anyone jumps on me!!