Closure of the official Club Forum

[afinetickletoleg]

The one thing that has been consitent throughout is that the cricket committee don't seem to answer to anyone!

I'm going to ask the obvious question; what is the role of the cricket committee?

Plus who makes up the cricket committee?

[nat]

Fascinating stuff. I always thought the club had a very short structure - basically the Captain, Manager and Chair ran the whole show. Has there always been such a morass of committees, or is there a causal link between bureaucratisation and the decline of the club?

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The one thing that has been consitent throughout is that the cricket committee don't seem to answer to anyone!

Well that settles it then ...the first item on the reform agenda is cricket committee governance.

[squarelegumpire]

Fascinating stuff. I always thought the club had a very short structure - basically the Captain, Manager and Chair ran the whole show. Has there always been such a morass of committees, or is there a causal link between bureaucratisation and the decline of the club?

Back in 50's the was a book by someoe who knew his way round management; Parkinson's Law, by a C Northcote Parkinson.. He was very hot on small committees, simple appointment systems, "work expanding to fill the time available" and such.

AFAIK it's still in print, and I would think the County Library has a few copies.

[Andy]

Back in 50's the was a book by someoe who knew his way round management; Parkinson's Law, by a C Northcote Parkinson.. He was very hot on small committees, simple appointment systems, "work expanding to fill the time available" and such.

AFAIK it's still in print, and I would think the County Library has a few copies.

I was thinking of Max Weber, but I certainly know what you mean. I teach this stuff, unfortunately the students aren't that keen on cricket - except for the IPL mad Indians.

[squarelegumpire]

Back in 50's the was a book by someoe who knew his way round management; Parkinson's Law, by a C Northcote Parkinson.. He was very hot on small committees, simple appointment systems, "work expanding to fill the time available" and such.

AFAIK it's still in print, and I would think the County Library has a few copies.

I was thinking of Max Weber, but I certainly know what you mean. I teach this stuff, unfortunately the students aren't that keen on cricket - except for the IPL mad Indians.

I take it you've read Nasser's book, as far as Essex management is concerned.  Incidentally, if ever a man lived his father's dream.....

The "mansgement" structure at Essex would have fascinated Parkinson.

[Andy]

Yes I read Nassers book. I must say I agree with you, I also felt rather sorry for Nas in the end. I know sacrifices have to be made, but it seems he never got the pleasure out of playing the game that the less successful/gifted of us have done.

[squarelegumpire]

I wonder, Andy, whether Nasser's children will play cricket. Or indeed any sport professionally. AFAIK he's never seen around the County Ground these days, unless professionally with Sky.

I know when I became a father I reflected on my father's parenting methods and thought ......... no!

[eastsax]

I wonder, Andy, whether Nasser's children will play cricket. Or indeed any sport professionally. AFAIK he's never seen around the County Ground these days, unless professionally with Sky.

The last time I saw Nass with two of his children was when Napier scored  his 152 against Sussex. I think it may have been their introduction to cricket.

I've read somewhere him saying that if his kids show talent (in the sporting field) he'll give them nothing but encouragement - but otherwise won't push them. I get the idea from his book that his father certainly did (push) Nasser.

[Slogger]

Wasn't his brother apparently more naturally gifted as a cricketer? I think I read somewhere that he was. The young Nasser of 1988-91 was a hell of good young player. I remember an early ton against Leicester which was full of shots

[Andy]

Wasn't his brother apparently more naturally gifted as a cricketer? I think I read somewhere that he was. The young Nasser of 1988-91 was a hell of good young player. I remember an early ton against Leicester which was full of shots

Even Nasser rates Mel a better player.

[freddiefisher]

one point, the use of mods from the old forum on here, would be most unwelcome imo.

they ALL had an agenda to push, and didn't like certain home truths, be it because they were in the employ of the club or as they were part of the running of the club.

it would be a backward step by letting them mod here, and thus far it seems the self moderation on here is working well enough, if you can ignore some armchair warriors and old bores who constantly go off topic...

[eastsax]

one point, the use of mods from the old forum on here, would be most unwelcome imo.

they ALL had an agenda to push, and didn't like certain home truths, be it because they were in the employ of the club or as they were part of the running of the club.

it would be a backward step by letting them mod here, and thus far it seems the self moderation on here is working well enough, if you can ignore some armchair warriors and old bores who constantly go off topic...

Being that previous moderators on the OMB, along with all staff and players, have now been forbidden from posting on here - excepting Danny in response to issues raised on the Q&A sub-forum - it's highly unlikely that any of the previous moderators on the OMB will be helping with the running of this forum for the foreseeable future.

As for the self-moderation , to an extent that's true. Although you probably wouldn't have noticed , for instance, that some comments have been removed over the time it's been set up.

I'd say, that generally , this one is roughly the same regarding moderation as when I was a moderator on the OMB, i.e. before the Garon Park issue raised its head and, thereafter, things were tightened up to an almost suffocating degree.

But all in all,  I'm pleased with the way that the forum is running itself I must say.

[nat]

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Being that previous moderators on the OMB, along with all staff and players, have now been forbidden from posting on here - excepting Danny in response to issues raised on the Q&A sub-forum - it's highly unlikely that any of the previous moderators on the OMB will be helping with the running of this forum for the foreseeable future.

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Well we'll have to reply on ToppersSnr to relay any interesting information regarding the club!

[eastsax]

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Being that previous moderators on the OMB, along with all staff and players, have now been forbidden from posting on here - excepting Danny in response to issues raised on the Q&A sub-forum - it's highly unlikely that any of the previous moderators on the OMB will be helping with the running of this forum for the foreseeable future.

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Well we'll have to reply on ToppersSnr to relay any interesting information regarding the club!

Albeit that Don himself would refer to his good self as being tantamount to persona non grata as far the Club are concerned (see the latest edition of 'Backspin') and would be loath to relay any information - even if known - from anybody closer to home.

So I'm afraid, it just means relying on the old rumour mill - which we do 99% of the time anyway.

[freddiefisher]

the club were loath to allow any info out anyway that was of any interest anyway, so its no loss. it seemed the essex website was always the last to have news, after bbc, cricinfo etc.

id trust certain 'other' sources anyway rather than those with an agenda to spin that 99% of people at the club have.