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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2014, 12:54:06 PM »
I don't know..he did ok didn't he?

Indeed.

Having a sell by date is a bit different to being shoddy goods from the off.

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2014, 01:05:54 PM »
Perhaps this is missing an important point: it is often the relationships between key individuals that make or break a team.

Look at Duncan Fletcher: lauded for beating the Aussies in 2005 and lambasted for losing in 2006/7. The difference? With Nasser Hussain DF turned a failing team around, with a (apparently drunken) Flintoff, the wheels - or whatever Pedalos run on - came off.

Flower's turnaround of the post KP/Moores debacle shouldn't be forgotten. Clearly he and Strauss worked well together, until the strain of KP got too much for the latter.

This doesn't necessarily mean that Cooky was the sole cause - just that at the time he took over the team was perhaps relieved/shocked at what had happened and facing weakened sides, which changed as the team began to face improving sides (e.g. Lehman era Aussies). I always worried whether Chef had the strength of personality that could keep the side together. Neither he nor Flower are demonstrative characters, with the similarly reticent Gooch on board there was a clear need for more extroverted personalities to lift team spirits - hence the loss of Swann seems to have had a profound effect.

The situated nature of coaching/managing/captaincy tends to be forgotten.  It would be an interesting experiment to put a Lehman-like personality in. I take the point that a lot of improvements were introduced under Mickey Arthur or were down to individual mindsets (e.g. Mitch Johnson finally getting his mind & body together). Indeed, this reinforces the situatedness of managing/coaching.


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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2014, 01:07:44 PM »
I don't know..he did ok didn't he?

Indeed.

Having a sell by date is a bit different to being shoddy goods from the off.

Indeed he did, my neighbour asked me the other day,'what's happened with the cricket,' adding, 'we were on top of the world a couple of yrs. ago.'

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2014, 04:51:08 PM »
Captain Cook, became England's third highest test run scorer overtaking KP and David Gower during his innings of 95.
Essex now have two of the top three.

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2014, 08:50:48 PM »
Great to see Ally getting some form back today, I was watching Sky willing him to get his ton but not to be & not a great shot to get out to, much better overall & more like his real self.

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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2014, 07:15:26 AM »
Perhaps this is missing an important point: it is often the relationships between key individuals that make or break a team.

Look at Duncan Fletcher: lauded for beating the Aussies in 2005 and lambasted for losing in 2006/7. The difference? With Nasser Hussain DF turned a failing team around, with a (apparently drunken) Flintoff, the wheels - or whatever Pedalos run on - came off.

Flower's turnaround of the post KP/Moores debacle shouldn't be forgotten. Clearly he and Strauss worked well together, until the strain of KP got too much for the latter.

This doesn't necessarily mean that Cooky was the sole cause - just that at the time he took over the team was perhaps relieved/shocked at what had happened and facing weakened sides, which changed as the team began to face improving sides (e.g. Lehman era Aussies). I always worried whether Chef had the strength of personality that could keep the side together. Neither he nor Flower are demonstrative characters, with the similarly reticent Gooch on board there was a clear need for more extroverted personalities to lift team spirits - hence the loss of Swann seems to have had a profound effect.

The situated nature of coaching/managing/captaincy tends to be forgotten.  It would be an interesting experiment to put a Lehman-like personality in. I take the point that a lot of improvements were introduced under Mickey Arthur or were down to individual mindsets (e.g. Mitch Johnson finally getting his mind & body together). Indeed, this reinforces the situatedness of managing/coaching.

excellent post mate.

The bigger issue is that we don't have any of those type of coaches.  English coaching obsessed with fitness and statistics.  They've forgotten that a huge amount of coaching is in the head stuff and getting the best out of players, not just making them robots with uber fitness.

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2014, 11:46:36 AM »
not just making them robots with uber fitness.

Case in point being bowlers made to warm up with medicine balls.

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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2014, 02:55:34 PM »
not just making them robots with uber fitness.

Case in point being bowlers made to warm up with medicine balls.

Ah-ha. Is that why Gooch always liked seamers who could bowl heavy balls?

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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2014, 06:48:41 AM »
oh...thank god for that.  for the last 15 years I was under the impression that Gooch had said he liked Seamers "with" heavy balls. 

I've so avoided making any kind of eye contact with him since...


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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2014, 12:14:06 PM »
oh...thank god for that.  for the last 15 years I was under the impression that Gooch had said he liked Seamers "with" heavy balls. 

I've so avoided making any kind of eye contact with him since...
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I set 'em up, you put 'em away.

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2014, 04:40:31 PM »
I thought it was a disappointing display, particularly on a wicket that was more suited to the indians than Lords. To drop Cook and allow him to gain some kind of form was unfortunate, but to lose 7 wickets to part time bowlers in the 2nd. innings, not to mention that unnecessary run out was unforgivable.

The only batsman deserving any credit was Rahone and the bowling looked fairly innocuous without Sharma, lets hope he's fit for the next game.

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2014, 04:43:44 PM »
I thought it was a disappointing display, particularly on a wicket that was more suited to the indians than Lords. To drop Cook and allow him to gain some kind of form was unfortunate, but to lose 7 wickets to part time bowlers in the 2nd. innings, not to mention that unnecessary run out was unforgivable.

The only batsman deserving any credit was Rahone and the bowling looked fairly innocuous without Sharma, lets hope he's fit for the next game.

He's not, apparently. Who's side are you on???

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2014, 08:57:25 AM »
Cook is of course a brilliant captain, and this England team are world-beaters. As I've said all along.  ;) :-[

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2014, 09:54:07 AM »
Cook is of course a brilliant captain, and this England team are world-beaters. As I've said all along.  ;) :-[

Indeed, a day is a long time in international cricket.

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Re: Captain Cook
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2014, 07:20:35 PM »
Now that the dates for the next West Indies series have been announced it looks as though we won't see Cook at all next season for Essex. His next appearance could well be in April 2016 (or March, in Dubai??)