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Offline essexspur

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2023, 09:12:18 PM »
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We bottled it

It's worth going back to that Cricinfo preview article

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/michael-pepper-the-essex-batter-who-idolises-ab-de-villiers-1387451

The players themselves say the idea is to go hard and keep going hard. No plan B. We'd already seen it in the Surrey and Brum games where we were well ahead of the chase at the halfway point, then nearly lost by keeping on going for big hits rather than knocking it around on the ground. We'd also just seen Surrey royally screw up their semi-final chase for similar reasons. Still the lesson didn't sink in.

Spot on. Once Rossington was out we need 6.5 an over FFS. Surely someone should say ‘let’s take no risks for the next 8 overs and get to half way with 2 or 3 wickets down. Henry is top quality and Overton decent so see them off. Block if necessary. Whenever I see a game like that, it is crying out for Cook or Westley. Beard contributed nothing and we have 7 other bowlers. Westley is a better T20 bowler than Beard anyway. Having muddled our way to the final, cool heads and sensible batting would have won that game. They’ll be kicking themselves

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2023, 09:14:27 PM »
Well we should have beaten them were we not so silly so don't think they did deserve anymore than anyone else. They were not the best team. Playing at Taunton helps them massively whereas we struggle at home as out spinners get misfits going for 6.

Ish sodhi is no a great player yet we made him look like warney.

going all out is all well and good but not when it comes to a situation like this where its simply not needed. We gave it away pure and simple.

Wouldn't care if it were not that lot of cheats Gibson etc. Oh and Don topley is a bitter so amd so too. Delighted to see us lose.

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2023, 09:16:16 PM »
Trouble is... I don't think they will be kicking themselves. They'll think they did well...to get to the final...it vindicates their method. Rubbish.

By all means go hard for the first few overs/couple of wickets but then pause and take a look at the game situation. 35-0 off 3 overs chasing 145 and yet we lost!

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2023, 09:18:50 PM »
Well done lads, still an achievement. Somerset were the best team in the competition and Essex massively over performed to get to the final. It was a great day. This is a relatively young side and they will get better and I'm not going to criticise any of them. Look at how a very experienced Surrey side got on against the same opposition.

Much as I don't like Somerset, it's good to see the trophy go to another non test hosting team.


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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2023, 09:23:33 PM »
 Surrey, Birmingham and Hampshire must win games to get there who would have thought.
 Great credit to Harmer guiding us to runner up spot.

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2023, 09:29:08 PM »
Very poor effort in the final, threw it away, but they did well to get there so can’t be too disappointed.
One question……..Beard…why on earth is he playing, match after match?!! Only gets to bowl one (expensive) over each match and scores no runs!! Not the only one to blame for the loss of course but we’re handicapping ourselves every match he plays.

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2023, 09:31:44 PM »
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One question……..Beard…why on earth is he playing, match after match?!! Only gets to bowl one (expensive) over each match and scores no runs!! Not the only one to blame for the loss of course but we’re handicapping ourselves every match he plays.

They think there's a player in there somewhere. I did too...for a long while.

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2023, 09:32:00 PM »
Trouble is... I don't think they will be kicking themselves. They'll think they did well...to get to the final...it vindicates their method. Rubbish.

By all means go hard for the first few overs/couple of wickets but then pause and take a look at the game situation. 35-0 off 3 overs chasing 145 and yet we lost!
I actually disagree to an extent. McGrath might think they did well but Simon Harmer is a winner, you can see it in his eyes. That will have hurt him.

One more point from me, anyone who doesn’t think there’s value in resigning Ravi, hopefully tonight has put that one to bed for you. We’d have been celebrating tonight with him in the top/middle order.
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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2023, 09:37:46 PM »
Agree with much said above. Lack of ability to chsnge approach when needed. Anyway, back to the proper stuff next week. Well played Somerset

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2023, 09:38:08 PM »
And I thought that Critchley caught and bowled against Gregory was out. He had his fingers under the ball. Small margins.

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2023, 09:55:08 PM »
I was sitting looking straight at thecritchley caught and bowl. It looked clearly on the ground from where I was sitting
And I thought that Critchley caught and bowled against Gregory was out. He had his fingers under the ball. Small margins.

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2023, 09:58:36 PM »
I was sitting looking straight at thecritchley caught and bowl. It looked clearly on the ground from where I was sitting
And I thought that Critchley caught and bowled against Gregory was out. He had his fingers under the ball. Small margins.

Well I will defer to your view then. Maybe I just wanted it to be out.
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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2023, 07:09:03 AM »
  Well had got to be in it to LOSE it. Sixteen other counties would have wished.  Unfortunately the seeded v unseeded contest did not match the tennis result earlier. Yes the consolation is that none of the bigger counties made it, perhaps they have half a eye on the 16.4 franchise.
  Hope everyone attended had a good time and got home safely.
  Although runners up , the work now starts for next season, more tinkering will be needed.

  Great effort by the players full credit to them, the one that got away in hindsight .

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2023, 10:18:14 AM »
Guess that we didn’t really deserve to win it - had put in some pretty terrible performances at Chelmsford and team selection throughout often looked to be a mystery. Cook no longer plays T20 - this game would have sited him, but Westley could have played maybe instead of Das who looked like a rabbit in the headlights. Simon Harmer has had a couple of good games in the competition, but limited over has never been his bowling forte - these days mostly economically expensive with the ball especially as country batsmen have found ways to play him - a contrast with the Somerset spinner. However you cannot question his leadership qualities and value to us over the years - immense.

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Re: Final 2023
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2023, 12:16:19 PM »
Many well balanced views on the final and looking objectively Somerset deserved to win.

If we look back to see how we were performing mid way through the T20, few would have predicted that we would reach finals day, let alone finish close runners up to a strong all round team.

So hats off to the team who surely exceeded expectations and as Nat cleverly pointed out, prize money may enable us to acquire much needed batting expertise for next season. We will need it.

Batting wise, we were facing two international bowlers in Henry and Sodhi and although some dismissals looked rash and panicky, the quality of the bowling reflected much skill and experience.

Ultimately a somwhat sad day but certainly no disgrace and hopefully the boys will have learnt one vital lesson from T20 games on how to pace the innings and realise there is always time to play yourself in for a few balls, rather than attempt marquee shots immediately which more likely than not result result in premature failure.

For most of our innings we needed only seven runs an over, ne need to take excessive risks, which we did not heed.

Pleased that Sams has enjoyed such a strong finish recently. He is a much better, very destructive player than he has shown earlier and one can see exactly why we signed him.

Many more pluses than minuses.

Well played Eagles