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Offline LeedsExile

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Test squad v Ireland
« on: July 17, 2019, 01:59:57 PM »
The most interesting thing for Essex fans are the inclusion of Gregory and Leach from Somerset. If they play and do well then Somerset will be severely hampered going forward. I am somewhat surprised that Stone has been included as he has only just returned from a lengthy injury break.

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2019, 02:51:59 PM »
Geoff Arnold (England scout), was at Chelmsford for 2 days watching him.

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2019, 03:59:10 PM »
Good player Gregory.

Offline IlfordEagle

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2019, 04:35:20 PM »
I was impressed with Gregory as well, he looks a genuine all rounder.

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2019, 05:03:47 PM »
Good player Gregory.

Will be found out by decent bowling/batting. Not quite good enough in either discipline. Not an Ashes player but will probably do ok against second level teams like Ireland.

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2019, 05:35:22 PM »
Nat - you may well be right.We could do with someone like him at Essex.

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2019, 06:30:59 AM »
It looks very light in batting. BAirstow 5, take your pick at 6, Moeen, Curran or Woakes?

Surprised Stone's in after so little time back from injury, I thought it might be Jamie Overton's chance.

Agree about Gregory - fine county man, but can't see him as a test player, especially against the Aussies

Dominic Sibley must feel disappointed.  I'd hoped he'd open with Roy at 3 and Denley at 5.

Offline IlfordEagle

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2019, 02:11:28 PM »
Jamie Porter must wonder what he has to do to get (even) in the squad, it is obviously not enough to take 300 FC wickets in just under 5 seasons inc approx 180 in CC1 whereas Stone has had about 3 games this season , is hardly firing on all cylinders & barring having pace as an asset has done very little imo, plus approx 120 career wickets.
The rest of the squad is no surprise, Sibley also has a case but his time will come, probably later in summer if Eng struggle in the Ashes.Jason Roy was the obvious choice for opener, he has had no red ball cricket this season but does have big match experience which may or may not help him, hopefully he will go in with his confidence high after the WC.

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2019, 02:31:25 PM »
Jamie Porter must wonder what he has to do to get (even) in the squad, it is obviously not enough to take 300 FC wickets in just under 5 seasons inc approx 180 in CC1 whereas Stone has had about 3 games this season , is hardly firing on all cylinders & barring having pace as an asset has done very little imo, plus approx 120 career wickets.
The rest of the squad is no surprise, Sibley also has a case but his time will come, probably later in summer if Eng struggle in the Ashes.Jason Roy was the obvious choice for opener, he has had no red ball cricket this season but does have big match experience which may or may not help him, hopefully he will go in with his confidence high after the WC.

As you say Stone has pace and with Archer and Wood out the England attack is pretty samey otherwise.  Assuming Porter is fit to play then it would have been Gregory that was picked ahead of him.  They are of similar pace, Curran as well.  Gregory obviously bats much better but is likely to bat at 9 if he plays so I'm not sure his better batting should be that relevant.
As for Stone I would think it was down to him or Jamie Overton but neither are likely to play in the Ashes.

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2019, 07:57:53 PM »
Porter will only get into the England set up if none is able to replace Anderson. Jamie’s poor batting holds him back and has taken wickets on very helpful wickets. As one eyed a ECCC supporter, I still can see having that extra height, pace, being left armer with lower order runs puts him some way back in the queue. Great for us though...

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2019, 04:31:14 PM »
Porter will only get into the England set up if none is able to replace Anderson. Jamie’s poor batting holds him back and has taken wickets on very helpful wickets. As one eyed a ECCC supporter, I still can see having that extra height, pace, being left armer with lower order runs puts him some way back in the queue. Great for us though...

Stone looked well short of a gallop against us.  If I could see that how could Horse not see it?

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2019, 04:34:09 PM »
Porter will only get into the England set up if none is able to replace Anderson. Jamie’s poor batting holds him back and has taken wickets on very helpful wickets. As one eyed a ECCC supporter, I still can see having that extra height, pace, being left armer with lower order runs puts him some way back in the queue. Great for us though...

Stone looked well short of a gallop against us.  If I could see that how could Horse not see it?

In the world of the ECB/NoPaint speed is all. Whereas history tells us that making the ball do something is always more successful.

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2019, 02:33:06 PM »
Nat, having the ability to wobble it around is nothing without control and cunning. Anderson has learned this, not sure Porter has as yet. Still, all the best for Eccc.

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2019, 08:56:47 PM »
It all comes with experience, Dennis Lillee was all out pace when he started but as he got older he cut his pace & moved the ball more, let it work for him & became a better rounded bowler, hopefully Jamie will acquire this as he progresses.

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Re: Test squad v Ireland
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2019, 08:36:38 AM »
It all comes with experience, Dennis Lillee was all out pace when he started but as he got older he cut his pace & moved the ball more, let it work for him & became a better rounded bowler, hopefully Jamie will acquire this as he progresses.
Twas a long time ago, but I remember Dennis Lillee in 1972  as pretty much the complete article (within a year or so of his Test debut), terrifyingly fast and with the ability to move the ball off  the seam. A few years later having a chap called Thompson at the other end didn't do him any harm, either. Like Michael Holding, Lillee only cut his pace later in his career, out of bodily necessity - if anyone's got any evidence to the contrary, I'd be interested to hear it.

Regarding Stone, I'm surprised he's been picked so soon after returning from injury (I'd have preferred Jamie Overton), but I can see the logic.   The team has Curran, barely above medium pace,  with Broad & Woakes at F-M, someone to provide real pace - especially if Lords proves to be a fast, bouncy wicket - should be of great value,even if he leaks more run than most. I couldn't see the point of selecting another medium-fast man (Gregory).  And it'll be good to get some first test nerves out of the way before the Aussie Tests.

Going in to this summer's Tests with a seam attack of identikit medium-fast men would no doubt delight Nat, but not half as much as it would delight the Aussies, with Starc, Hazelwood and Cummings all read to give our guys some serious 90mph pounding including a good helping of chin music.

Let's see what Stone can do in the next 4 days. My guess that that however he does he'll be behind Archer & Wood in the queue for remaining bowling places against the Aussies tests - Anderson & Woakes, if fit, pick themselves,IMHO. Not so sure about Broad.