Goodbye to The Ego

[Oldhasbeen]

KP has gone, can't say I'm sorry.  What's the general view on tsis?

Interesting to compare a thoughtful article by Aggers http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26041878 with Michael Vaughan's in http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26041494

Is it me or is MV mainly interested in telling the world what a great skipper he was?
 

[afinetickletoleg]

My view was that he had to go.  He challenged the authority of two coaches and they both ended up leaving the job.  If he had survived this time the public perception - rightly or wrongly - was that he had 'won' again and that cannot be accepted as people will see him as being bigger than the team.  Now that it has subsequently emerged that he fronted Cook and had a stand up row with him at Sydney that should be the issue that confirms the decision to be correct.

Good player, great ego but obviuosly cannot accept any authority over him.

[Andy]

Shocked. Had a horrible feeling they'd make him captain, especially given the comments by Giles...

My only concern is its adieu not f@&£@ off. We'll struggle now, Cooks a poor tactician and the incoming players will take time to filter into the international game. Every loss will see one of Vaughan, Piers Morgan or any other of KPs boyfriends calling for his return.

Please, no one refer to him as a maverick. He has sociopathic tendencies. Neither is he like Gower, who fought damn hard against bowling attacks far greater than anything KP will face in his career.

[nat]

Shocked. Had a horrible feeling they'd make him captain, especially given the comments by Giles...

My only concern is its adieu not f@&£@ off. We'll struggle now, Cooks a poor tactician and the incoming players will take time to filter into the international game. Every loss will see one of Vaughan, Piers Morgan or any other of KPs boyfriends calling for his return.

Please, no one refer to him as a maverick. He has sociopathic tendencies. Neither is he like Gower, who fought damn hard against bowling attacks far greater than anything KP will face in his career.

Agreed. What happens if the  new coach wants KP back in the team? Presumably Cook would resign?

[nat]

KP has gone, can't say I'm sorry.  What's the general view on tsis?

Interesting to compare a thoughtful article by Aggers http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26041878 with Michael Vaughan's in http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26041494

Is it me or is MV mainly interested in telling the world what a great skipper he was?

Agreed. All yorkies seem eventually to revert to type.

[nat]

My view was that he had to go.  He challenged the authority of two coaches and they both ended up leaving the job.  If he had survived this time the public perception - rightly or wrongly - was that he had 'won' again and that cannot be accepted as people will see him as being bigger than the team.  Now that it has subsequently emerged that he fronted Cook and had a stand up row with him at Sydney that should be the issue that confirms the decision to be correct.

Good player, great ego but obviuosly cannot accept any authority over him.

Really? Where did you read that?

[afinetickletoleg]

My view was that he had to go.  He challenged the authority of two coaches and they both ended up leaving the job.  If he had survived this time the public perception - rightly or wrongly - was that he had 'won' again and that cannot be accepted as people will see him as being bigger than the team.  Now that it has subsequently emerged that he fronted Cook and had a stand up row with him at Sydney that should be the issue that confirms the decision to be correct.

Good player, great ego but obviuosly cannot accept any authority over him.

Really? Where did you read that?

Dominic Cork mentioned it on TalkSpor this morning and so did John Etheridge in his column in The Sun.

As for the new coach wanting KP back in the team; considering that will more than likely be Giles and he was at the meeting then this would seem unlikely.

[Andy]

KP has gone, can't say I'm sorry.  What's the general view on tsis?

Interesting to compare a thoughtful article by Aggers http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26041878 with Michael Vaughan's in http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26041494

Is it me or is MV mainly interested in telling the world what a great skipper he was?

Wasn't Vaughan born in Manchester? Clearly the big mistake in the media is having too many recently retired ex-players. MV probably big mates with KP, or at least realises that if he piles in he may find himself commentating alongside him.

Look up Mike Brearley's thoughtful analysis of KP from a couple of years ago. Really identifies a seriously flawed character.

Cook should've taken KP into the car park and 'sorted it' in the good old Essex manner.

[Postman]

The problem with Pietersen is that he seems to have destabilised most, if not all, of the teams he has played for and upset many of his colleagues. By chance last summer I was talking to an Australian supporter who had captained KP in Sydney grade cricket when KP was 19 and it sounded as if he was exactly the same then-I was told that by the end of his stint nobody was talking to him, and they were only prepared to tolerate him because they knew he was only temporary. Granted he is an exceptional talent-I was privileged to see both his innings at The Oval in 2005 and his double century at Adelaide in 2010 and they are probably the best two innings I have ever seen-but in the end if somebody as disruptive as that fails to perform to their full ability for a longish period, you are just left with their disruptive side without the performances that make it bearable, and then there can only be one result. He will probably now join the likes of Gayle and just become a travelling T20 hired gun-in some ways a sad waste but basically his own fault.

[Diatribe]

Great strategy, fire your best performing player from an abysmal tour and keep arguably, one of the worst ever England captains.

[tonk]

No team will ever all be best buddies.They are there as professionals to win games and it's up to whoever is in charge to manage them but from what I have seen have we got any "strong" management?

[Andy]

Don't forget, strong management also involves standing up to bullies and narcissists. 

[afinetickletoleg]

Don't forget, strong management also involves standing up to bullies and narcissists. 

Agree.  Also, how many series has Cook been skipper for and how many has he lost?

[Andy]

Don't forget, strong management also involves standing up to bullies and narcissists. 

Agree.  Also, how many series has Cook been skipper for and how many has he lost?

1. How many series has KP significantly contributed to victory a la Gooch, Gower or Cook? Certainly since his comeback from injury/ the cold.
2. How many series did Cook win against teams that hadn't got their own internal problems? Once we got up against South Africa and the Lehman-inspired Aussies look what happened.

This is the problem - caused by conservatism in strategy and distain for county cricket - meaning that a case could be made for making the reverse decision: keeping KP & sacking Capn Cook, which would've been worse IMHO.

[IlfordEagle]

Good riddance I say, he has consistently upset everyone around him, all those he's fallen out with over the years cannot all be wrong. He has played some fine innings for England but certainly in the last few years perhaps just one per series but he lacks the consistency he should have, plays irresponsibly much of the time & shows a blatant disregard for the team.
I have always been anti Ego I will happily admit I am glad to see the back of him but he will look back one day & realise he wasted some of his talent.