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Offline JasonP

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2018, 02:05:20 PM »

my colleague who supports Slurrey reassures me that BF might be looking for a move

Maybe to Hants for a bumper pay day.

I doubt he'd want to come back to Essex unless the captaincy was dangled.

Of course he "says" he wants a move.
Contract up at the end of the season and  he is hoping to get a pay rise.
Why would he want to leave a championship winning side?

It's not.  His contract has two more years after this one.
https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/england-four-extend-surrey-contracts/


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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2018, 02:24:50 PM »
Well, "no change" Essex have certainly lived up to their name by rewarding the continually failing squad of 13 with yet another chance at Glamorgan tomorrow! !!.....Guess the cupboard must be totally empty then when it comes to any alternatives worth giving a chance!
Having said that, the law of averages says that we must win a match again soon and i reckon we will win this meaningless one.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2018, 02:50:54 PM »

my colleague who supports Slurrey reassures me that BF might be looking for a move

Maybe to Hants for a bumper pay day.

I doubt he'd want to come back to Essex unless the captaincy was dangled.

Of course he "says" he wants a move.
Contract up at the end of the season and  he is hoping to get a pay rise.
Why would he want to leave a championship winning side?

It's not.  His contract has two more years after this one.
https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/england-four-extend-surrey-contracts/

Well spotted Jason.
So his three year contract was improved after just  two years in 2017.
I expect he is trying to do the same again, to get another pay rise to keep him at the club.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2018, 03:09:45 PM »

my colleague who supports Slurrey reassures me that BF might be looking for a move

Maybe to Hants for a bumper pay day.

I doubt he'd want to come back to Essex unless the captaincy was dangled.

Of course he "says" he wants a move.
Contract up at the end of the season and  he is hoping to get a pay rise.
Why would he want to leave a championship winning side?

It's not.  His contract has two more years after this one.
https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/england-four-extend-surrey-contracts/

Well spotted Jason.
So his three year contract was improved after just  two years in 2017.
I expect he is trying to do the same again, to get another pay rise to keep him at the club.

It’ll depend ultimately as to whether Foakes gets a central contract or whether the younger players force their way into the England set-up. Can’t see BF coming back to us, unless it’s on a loan, for the foreseeable future. By then eccc might’ve ceased to exist.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2018, 03:33:52 PM »
Well, "no change" Essex have certainly lived up to their name by rewarding the continually failing squad of 13 with yet another chance at Glamorgan tomorrow! !!.....Guess the cupboard must be totally empty then when it comes to any alternatives worth giving a chance!
Having said that, the law of averages says that we must win a match again soon and i reckon we will win this meaningless one.

The batting has been the major problem.  Even if it's been forced with the Westley and Lawrence injuries they have brought in Walter, Pepper and Zaidi over the last week.  Who else is there to bring in?  Patel is he a T20 player?  Taylor only just back from injury  The balance of the side looked a bit better yesterday with atleast batting up until 7 this time.  If you put Coles for Harmer from yesterday you do have a better balanced side.  You'd hope then the top order can take a few more risks and we can be a bit smarter with the batting order as well.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2018, 04:56:22 PM »
My only thought about Patel is that if we have to play him at Taunton because of injuries I'd rather he'd already made his competitive debut albeit in T20.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2018, 05:03:28 PM »
The planning and execution this season have been bizarre - last season we had 2 x overseas left arm
quicks to complement Harmer, excellent planning you’d say and boy did it work!

This season we’ve had a right arm quick for the championship early and now late season although we still have Harmer!

In the t20 it’s clear we needed another big hitting batsman - we signed Matt Coles who could fill that role except we’ve barely played him and when he has played he’s had about 3 overs to bat max!  Some games we’ve played neither Coles or our other big hitter Zaidi and we expect to get late runs??

The overseas situation again is bizarre - we signed Zampa when we already have two excellent one day spinners (as well as Zampa has done in the main) and then with Wagner going back early we didn’t exactly have a backup and instead re-signed Siddle.  Even without hindsight we’d have been better finding an overseas batsman who could have filled the role nicely in both the remaining t20 and championship matches given we’ve got a quick bowling attack of Porter, Sam Cook, Quinn, Walter and Plom (not even include new Beard and Dixon).

We knew before last season started we’d have Alastair Cook for more than half a season so we didn’t need to get an overseas batter and the left arm quick with Harmy worked a treat!  This season surely those in charge should have realised an overseas batter is required for this part of the season now Waggy has sadly gone and given we probably won’t have A.Cook around for any of the remaining championship fixtures??  I don’t know how close or not we came to signing Northeast but perhaps we put our eggs in one basket and when it didn’t happen had no plan B ??

DT.

Wagner wasn’t very good this year, but we had Amir replace him for a couple of key matches last year, when Wagner was OK but apart from the odd match not that great - Porter was better and we had Quinn early season as well. 

Harmer does a very good job with the red ball, not so much in white ball matches and doesn’t make the runs that even Wagner makes.

Siddle was quality early on. I’d rather he stayed and we didn’t have Wagner. If we need a leftie to make some rough for Harmer, then we should pick a youngster.

Zamora is quality. We’d be even worse off without him.

Coles should play more and maybe bat higher but fitness and attitude may be an issue here as he wasn’t pulling up trees with his previous club.

Indeed the same could be said about Wheater and Chopra. Whilst it’s great to see them back, having both back was somewhat of a gamble - as if a player leaves us they usually return because there’s no place for them there: just compare Wheater with Foakes, although my colleague who supports Slurrey reassures me that BF might be looking for a move, although this depends upon the career path of Ollie Pope (and other home grown bats coming through).

We clearly need Lawrence to overcome this (not unusual) early career slump as RtD and Fossie are not the players they were and can’t compensate for the top order weaknesses. Browne’s slump is worse because he’s older and more experienced. Hopefully he’ll turn things around latter season. If Browne and Lawrence were playing to par, along with Westley, we wouldn’t be needing an overseas bat in BOTH red and white ball.



Wagner was better than OK last year - won us at least one match (Somerset away) and always gives 110% effort.  Quinn was missing most of the season so not sure how that stacks up with what you’re saying?  Sam Cook benefited from Quinn not being able to play and boy did he benefit!

Harmer has bowled well in a couple of t20 matches and the one day cup also - yes red ball clearly is his strength but signing Zampa when we already had Harmer and Zaidi was probably not that great an idea - we won’t qualify so that closes that case.  It’s also meant our best hitter of a ball in Zaidi has mostly been left out and it’s cost us big time.

Ref Siddle, he clearly wasn’t signed all season given how well Wagner did last season and the tactics used as already mentioned.

If what you say about Coles is true then why did we sign him??  Furthermore, why are we barely using him in one day cricket??  It makes no sense...

I’m not sure I agree with your thoughts about Chopra and Wheater.  With Wheater he’s done as much as can be asked certainly at the end of last season why he played as a bat instead of Westley and this season keeping and batting in all forms.  Chopra’s championship form since returning is very disappointing but given he’s a one day regular he has clearly justified the decision to re-sign him, he must average close to 50 in all one day cricket since he returned to us?

I’m not sure Browne is in a slump given his last game yielded a 50 and a 100!

But the point is last season the club knew Alastair Cook would be around for more than half a season so we signed a quality offy and thus went for a left arm quick overseas to create the rough for Harmy to bowl into.  This season we knew we wouldn’t have Ali for anything like last season so we could have gone for an overseas batter at least for this coming end to the championship season and the t20.  Whether it would have been the same player or two players doesn’t really matter.  Ali playing the amount of matches last season was the batting cover we needed, the solid starts allowed the others to come in and make hay - this season the guys you mention have been coming in at 20-3, 30-4 and it’s a different game.

It’s been obvious since Napes retired we haven’t had the big hitter in one day cricket  - we signed Coles who is a similar player but barely been used...it just doesn’t make sense!


(PS: As for Zamora, are you a West Ham fan with the auto correct??😀)
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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2018, 05:12:21 PM »
110% effort eh? That's a lot of effort.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2018, 05:20:28 PM »
What a great observant you are 😂

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2018, 06:11:50 PM »
DT, yes I can’t understand Coles being underused, ditto with Zaidi. As for Zampa/Zamora I don’t know why my spell checker did that. What a mistakea to makea!

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2018, 06:25:47 PM »
This is not directly linked to yesterday but once again I note Essex had only 1 Sunday home T20 whereas most other Counties have had at least 2, do we just get what the ECB allocate to us or do we get a say, if so surely an extra Sunday wouldn't come amiss or is it that Sundays are more family orientated & presumably we would sell less alcohol etc etc. Can anyone shed any light please?
I have to say the atmosphere on a Sunday is far more relaxes ie a lot less yobbish etc.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2018, 06:34:31 PM »
We’ve been utterly crap at T20 Cricket for 2 seasons now. The common denominator is that we have no sloggers. We lost Napier and Ryder our two biggest hitters. Jessie had his issues but if he stayed for a few overs he’d always have us going at a fast rate, allowing the players below more wiggle room. We’ve also not had Foster this year who is far better than some have given him credit for on here. Always full of innovation and tries to go at a fast pace, has come with some very important T20 knocks for us.

We have a team full of stroke players but no big hitters (as we refuse to Zaidi or bump Coles up the order) and it’s those players who win T20 games, not to have one with a home ground like Chelmsford is criminal. Next season we need one if not two big hitting oversees players for T20. Chris Gayle should be the first person we phone. We could also consider a separate coach for T20 as it’s plainly obvious Mags doesn’t have a clue and don’t keep me started on “T20 specialist” Dimi. We could do a lot worse than Donovan Miller and Foster.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2018, 07:10:42 PM »
Alex, that’s actually a great shout - Miller (who was and perhaps still is Essex based having played for Woodford Wells) and Fozzy as our t20 coaches - they’ve just won a global t20 event, get them in!!!

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2018, 07:12:05 PM »
This is not directly linked to yesterday but once again I note Essex had only 1 Sunday home T20 whereas most other Counties have had at least 2, do we just get what the ECB allocate to us or do we get a say, if so surely an extra Sunday wouldn't come amiss or is it that Sundays are more family orientated & presumably we would sell less alcohol etc etc. Can anyone shed any light please?
I have to say the atmosphere on a Sunday is far more relaxes ie a lot less yobbish etc.



No idea but I notice Yorkshire have not had a single Sunday home t20 match this season whereas they usually have 1 or 2.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2018, 07:12:11 PM »
Alex, that’s actually a great shout - Miller (who was and perhaps still is Essex based having played for Woodford Wells) and Fozzy as our t20 coaches - they’ve just won a global t20 event, get them in!!!

Foster should still be in the team!