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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2018, 08:00:49 PM »
Another pretty pathetic effort where we did not look remotely like winning. However not quite the thrashing that I had expected.
Some may like to see youngsters blooded, but I would suggest that a lot of people have paid a lot of money to see the remaining two home matches and want to see a competitive game even if we cannot progress in the competition.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2018, 09:00:08 PM »
The only reason the thrashing was not more severe was that Surrey did not bat first.

Does anyone know how the Club’s  finances stand?

Is it possible that we cannot afford marquee players, as we were able way back in the eighties and nineties.

Finch for example must be costing Surrey a packet,but they are the wealthiest Club I believe, and he is repaying their trust in him in spades.

Rashid Khan at Sussex is another example. How do our finances ad membership numbers compare with other counties?

Chelmsford may be packed on Friday nights and T20 matches but the ground only hold between 7000-8000, I believe.

There must be good players available at reasonable prices. It is up to the Club tofind them, and find them before they are snapped up by other Counties.

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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2018, 09:04:32 PM »
There always seem a lot of Aussies & Kiwis over here for our T20, surely we should be able to find a decent bat among those 2 countries.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2018, 09:17:36 PM »
Another pretty pathetic effort where we did not look remotely like winning. However not quite the thrashing that I had expected.
Some may like to see youngsters blooded, but I would suggest that a lot of people have paid a lot of money to see the remaining two home matches and want to see a competitive game even if we cannot progress in the competition.



Bit of a catch 22 that - the current crop aren’t exactly giving spectators value for money so watching home grown and hungry to impress youngsters is surely better??

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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2018, 09:28:56 PM »
The only reason the thrashing was not more severe was that Surrey did not bat first.

Does anyone know how the Club’s  finances stand?

Is it possible that we cannot afford marquee players, as we were able way back in the eighties and nineties.

Finch for example must be costing Surrey a packet,but they are the wealthiest Club I believe, and he is repaying their trust in him in spades.

Rashid Khan at Sussex is another example. How do our finances ad membership numbers compare with other counties?

Chelmsford may be packed on Friday nights and T20 matches but the ground only hold between 7000-8000, I believe.

There must be good players available at reasonable prices. It is up to the Club tofind them, and find them before they are snapped up by other Counties.



The planning and execution this season have been bizarre - last season we had 2 x overseas left arm
quicks to complement Harmer, excellent planning you’d say and boy did it work!

This season we’ve had a right arm quick for the championship early and now late season although we still have Harmer!

In the t20 it’s clear we needed another big hitting batsman - we signed Matt Coles who could fill that role except we’ve barely played him and when he has played he’s had about 3 overs to bat max!  Some games we’ve played neither Coles or our other big hitter Zaidi and we expect to get late runs??

The overseas situation again is bizarre - we signed Zampa when we already have two excellent one day spinners (as well as Zampa has done in the main) and then with Wagner going back early we didn’t exactly have a backup and instead re-signed Siddle.  Even without hindsight we’d have been better finding an overseas batsman who could have filled the role nicely in both the remaining t20 and championship matches given we’ve got a quick bowling attack of Porter, Sam Cook, Quinn, Walter and Plom (not even include new Beard and Dixon).

We knew before last season started we’d have Alastair Cook for more than half a season so we didn’t need to get an overseas batter and the left arm quick with Harmy worked a treat!  This season surely those in charge should have realised an overseas batter is required for this part of the season now Waggy has sadly gone and given we probably won’t have A.Cook around for any of the remaining championship fixtures??  I don’t know how close or not we came to signing Northeast but perhaps we put our eggs in one basket and when it didn’t happen had no plan B ??
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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2018, 07:51:38 AM »

Chelmsford may be packed on Friday nights and T20 matches but the ground only hold between 7000-8000, I believe.


Capacity is around 5,500 according to the Club, personally I would suggest that is an overestimation. It never ceases to make me snigger when ECCC boast how they've sold out a game...as Chelmsford, an eighties relic, is amongst the smallest ground capacities on the first class circuit.

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2018, 08:26:06 AM »
Could we please delete the ridiculous "Fortress" logo on the website?

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2018, 08:43:34 AM »
Someone told me that out of HQ grounds Worcester and Northampton have smaller capacities. I've never been to either so don't know myself. I get the sense that Derby might not be that big either - perhaps someone who's been to those grounds could enlighten me.

We seem to do quite well crowd wise - especially in four day cricket. I was amazed how few people seemed to be at Edgbaston for the televised championship match last September. Also, I tuned into a Leicester v Lancs T20 game on TV the other week and was astounded how few people were there.

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2018, 09:51:52 AM »
I can report that Northants and Derby would have similar ground capacities to the ECG, perhaps they are a little smaller. Derby and Northants' grounds have greatly improved in recent years and the ECG could benefit from a spruce up, as we all know.

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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2018, 10:02:45 AM »

the current crop aren’t exactly giving spectators value for money so watching home grown and hungry to impress youngsters is surely better??

You're confusing the people who attend T20 with cricket fans.

You could have the cast of TOWIE at the crease & they would still turn up.

Probably have to turn a few away even.   

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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2018, 11:56:27 AM »
The only reason the thrashing was not more severe was that Surrey did not bat first.

Does anyone know how the Club’s  finances stand?

Is it possible that we cannot afford marquee players, as we were able way back in the eighties and nineties.

Finch for example must be costing Surrey a packet,but they are the wealthiest Club I believe, and he is repaying their trust in him in spades.

Rashid Khan at Sussex is another example. How do our finances ad membership numbers compare with other counties?

Chelmsford may be packed on Friday nights and T20 matches but the ground only hold between 7000-8000, I believe.

There must be good players available at reasonable prices. It is up to the Club tofind them, and find them before they are snapped up by other Counties.


The overseas situation again is bizarre - we signed Zampa when we already have two excellent one day spinners (as well as Zampa has done in the main) and then with Wagner going back early we didn’t exactly have a backup and instead re-signed Siddle.  Even without hindsight we’d have been better finding an overseas batsman who could have filled the role nicely in both the remaining t20 and championship matches given we’ve got a quick bowling attack of Porter, Sam Cook, Quinn, Walter and Plom (not even include new Beard and Dixon).





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Re: Surrey 2.30pm start
« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2018, 12:18:49 PM »
The planning and execution this season have been bizarre - last season we had 2 x overseas left arm
quicks to complement Harmer, excellent planning you’d say and boy did it work!

This season we’ve had a right arm quick for the championship early and now late season although we still have Harmer!

In the t20 it’s clear we needed another big hitting batsman - we signed Matt Coles who could fill that role except we’ve barely played him and when he has played he’s had about 3 overs to bat max!  Some games we’ve played neither Coles or our other big hitter Zaidi and we expect to get late runs??

The overseas situation again is bizarre - we signed Zampa when we already have two excellent one day spinners (as well as Zampa has done in the main) and then with Wagner going back early we didn’t exactly have a backup and instead re-signed Siddle.  Even without hindsight we’d have been better finding an overseas batsman who could have filled the role nicely in both the remaining t20 and championship matches given we’ve got a quick bowling attack of Porter, Sam Cook, Quinn, Walter and Plom (not even include new Beard and Dixon).

We knew before last season started we’d have Alastair Cook for more than half a season so we didn’t need to get an overseas batter and the left arm quick with Harmy worked a treat!  This season surely those in charge should have realised an overseas batter is required for this part of the season now Waggy has sadly gone and given we probably won’t have A.Cook around for any of the remaining championship fixtures??  I don’t know how close or not we came to signing Northeast but perhaps we put our eggs in one basket and when it didn’t happen had no plan B ??

DT.

Wagner wasn’t very good this year, but we had Amir replace him for a couple of key matches last year, when Wagner was OK but apart from the odd match not that great - Porter was better and we had Quinn early season as well. 

Harmer does a very good job with the red ball, not so much in white ball matches and doesn’t make the runs that even Wagner makes.

Siddle was quality early on. I’d rather he stayed and we didn’t have Wagner. If we need a leftie to make some rough for Harmer, then we should pick a youngster.

Zamora is quality. We’d be even worse off without him.

Coles should play more and maybe bat higher but fitness and attitude may be an issue here as he wasn’t pulling up trees with his previous club.

Indeed the same could be said about Wheater and Chopra. Whilst it’s great to see them back, having both back was somewhat of a gamble - as if a player leaves us they usually return because there’s no place for them there: just compare Wheater with Foakes, although my colleague who supports Slurrey reassures me that BF might be looking for a move, although this depends upon the career path of Ollie Pope (and other home grown bats coming through).

We clearly need Lawrence to overcome this (not unusual) early career slump as RtD and Fossie are not the players they were and can’t compensate for the top order weaknesses. Browne’s slump is worse because he’s older and more experienced. Hopefully he’ll turn things around latter season. If Browne and Lawrence were playing to par, along with Westley, we wouldn’t be needing an overseas bat in BOTH red and white ball.




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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2018, 12:48:20 PM »

my colleague who supports Slurrey reassures me that BF might be looking for a move

Maybe to Hants for a bumper pay day.

I doubt he'd want to come back to Essex unless the captaincy was dangled.

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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2018, 01:00:37 PM »
Then dangle it!!!!  I would take him back in a heartbeat. 

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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2018, 01:35:00 PM »

my colleague who supports Slurrey reassures me that BF might be looking for a move

Maybe to Hants for a bumper pay day.

I doubt he'd want to come back to Essex unless the captaincy was dangled.

Of course he "says" he wants a move.
Contract up at the end of the season and  he is hoping to get a pay rise.
Why would he want to leave a championship winning side?