TIndia-Balgladesh Tout: Tuffers & Vaughan's squad

[Oldhasbeen]

Vaughan and Tufnell's squad: Alastair Cook, Alex Hales, Joe Root, Haseeb Hameed, Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes, Adil Rashid, Stuart Broad, James Anderson, Steven Finn, Mark Wood, Liam Dawson, Jos Buttler, Sam Billings

Plenty to discuss here!

Maybe a it too radical for me (at least for the India leg of the tour.)  I haven't sen Haseeb Hameed, and think Ballance, with  a fine record vs India, is worth taking. Billings as a batsman? Intriguing. Dawson?  Looks good but has he done enough?

David Batty also floated (!!). Scott Borthwick / Sam Robson seem to have fallen of the radar.

Would David Willey be a good pick? Maybe in preference to the injury-prone Finn / Wood?
 Surely we'll give some of the fast bowlers a rest for Bangaldesh?

[nat]

Willey in injury-prone too. Dawson is by no means the best spinner around. Perhaps take him, Rashid, Ali and one other (Crane, Batty, Leach, Rayner spring to mind).

[JasonP]

Dawson has taken 12 wickets this season and is currently playing his 10th match.  Ali and Rashid will go and they'll probably take one more spinner.  Either Ansari, who they would have taken last winter if he wasn't injured, or maybe Batty?  Batty is probably the best spinner around.  Not sure he is anyway near good enough but the cupboard is very bare.  Borthwick will probably go as a batsmen but I would think he wouldn't bowl too much.
Willey is not good enough.  He doesn't even make Yorkshires full strength CC team.
I think they may still pick Hales and maybe even Ballance.  Vince no chance.  Hameed is a real Boycott type batsmen, slower than Compton.  The press seemed to think that Bayliss was against Compton because he didn't want him and Cook opening.  Again for batsmen the cupboard is really bare.  I think Bairstow at 4 and Buttler keeping is probably the best option.

[Andy]

Agree that Ansaris injury was bad timing for team and individual. At least he and Borthwick can bat, so it'll be a case of taking these batsmen/spinners with an older hand as a back up. Rashid is frustrating - looked class with bat and promising with the ball. There are one or two leggies popping up Crane e.g. Crane and the Derbyshire guy.

However it's always been difficult to translate county form into international performances - sometimes you have to pick players whose county stats don't seem too promising but they actually thrive at a higher level.

[IlfordEagle]

I think Ansari is a decent pick as a spinner, he can also bat & I have always been impressed with him when I've seen him, very few quality spinners around, makes me wish Tom Westley bowled a bit more(was allowed to bowl more!!) then he would have more chance of being selected.
Re the wicket keeping Bairstow is the best choice with the added bonus of being a top class bat, Buttler whilst a fine 1 day player doesn't have the technique for Test cricket & his keeping is not good enough.
For the batting Vince looks to have blown his chance, Hales too - his technique isn't Test class, just another 1 day Test player like Buttler.

[Valentines Park]

However it's always been difficult to translate county form into international performances - sometimes you have to pick players whose county stats don't seem too promising but they actually thrive at a higher level.

Vaughan being a case in point.

[frank21]

HAMEED to open in Bangladesh, keep him playing if ok.

take batty as player / help coach other spinners, Ansari, Rashid  moeen to bat 5 or 6 and bowl abit

no vince,  no balance failed before, no hales

wood stokes woakes  no Anderson /broad for Bangladesh worried that their days are numbered might stay too long like caddick and gough

1cook
2hameed
3root
4sam northeast in Bangladesh/ben duckett
5moeen
6bairstow
7stokes
8woakes
9rashid
10anderson
11wood

[Oldhasbeen]

HAMEED to open in Bangladesh, keep him playing if ok.

take batty as player / help coach other spinners, Ansari, Rashid  moeen to bat 5 or 6 and bowl abit

no vince,  no balance failed before, no hales

wood stokes woakes  no Anderson /broad for Bangladesh worried that their days are numbered might stay too long like caddick and gough

1cook
2hameed
3root
4sam northeast in Bangladesh/ben duckett
5moeen
6bairstow
7stokes
8woakes
9rashid
10anderson
11wood

I can understand the clamour for some changes, but can't see us dropping  Broad for long and not convinced about Northeast. A comparison:

Sam NorthEast career average = 37 (mostly against D2 attacks)
Gary Ballance career average = 49 (mostly against D1  & Test attacks); average off 43 in Tests, VG record v India

Hameed is scoring runs at the right time and has got the eye of some influential punters - I suspect he might make the plane ahead of Sam Robson. But I think Hales will be on the plane too, drinking in the LAst Chance Saloon

[Perov]

Vaughan and Tuffers see very little County Cricket, so how do they know who can adjust to Test cricket?
The England selectors need someone who see all the players at close quarters on a regular basis.
That's why I've never understood why they don't have input from a senior Umpire who would know who has the talent and the attitude to make the step up.

[Valentines Park]

Northeast should be nowhere near England selection.

Scored about as many runs as Mickleburgh when he opened & his recent run of from coincides with flat tracks & dropping down the order.   

[LeedsExile]

Tuffers sees no county cricket at all. He was advocating Rory Burns for heavens sake. The trouble with "the experts" is they just seize on a name then go on and on about it until they are selected. Vaughan was like that with Vince but has now disowned him.

[Valentines Park]

Vaughan was like that with Vince but has now disowned him.

At least Tuffers doesn't pretend to be anything other than clown prince but Vaughan spends most of his time selecting fancy dress costumes for praise & still expects to be taken seriously. 

[Andy]

Vaughan and Tuffers see very little County Cricket, so how do they know who can adjust to Test cricket?
The England selectors need someone who see all the players at close quarters on a regular basis.
That's why I've never understood why they don't have input from a senior Umpire who would know who has the talent and the attitude to make the step up.

Exactly. Umpires see players on a regular basis, they can compare between similar types of player and (to a certain extent) most have at least played some county and even international cricket.

Arguably, it's better to ask umpires than county coaches. Nasser said he found that coaches always had rose tinted glasses about their players, except Byas who was lukewarm about Vaughan (which was actually more useful). Nowadays I wonder whether coaches might feel it better to downplay their upcoming stars if they are getting a crunch part of a season...