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Offline Oldhasbeen

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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2018, 03:48:15 PM »
I have never understood why people speak so highly of Mark Wood. Speed alone is pretty ineffective if you cannot bowl straight. His record is pretty poor.
IMHO Wood's worth persevering with but only if fully fit.  True, his record at Test level is not good but if you look at the tests when he's been fully fit - I read he played in 2 Tests against medical advice and took 0 for plenty and 1 for plenty, I think - his Test bowling average is in the early 30s and he shakes up batsmen at times.
 
Can't see playing four similar right arm fast-medium seamers as the way forward - we've been doing it for years, and declining -  I'd rather have at least one seamer offering something different. A class left-arm paceman would be nice, but I can't think of one who is England-qualified at the moment.

Horses for course, Woakes instead of Broad for me at Headingley.

Off on holiday so I will not see most of it, anyway. It'd probably be a good idea not to check the score online until after the first 3 beers of the day.

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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2018, 06:19:42 PM »
Agree that Broad should be dropped. Increasingly ineffective and a barack room lawyer. Give Wood one more chance. Give me an 80mph bowler who moves the ball over a 90mph pie thrower anyday.

I suspect that Vaughan is pushing for Broad/Anderson to be dropped as he's sticking up for his little Yorkshire 'friend' - and he knows how those two seamers act in the dressing room.

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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2018, 09:59:33 AM »
I know he is a better lower order batsman however I just cannot see how S Curran (104 wkts @ 30) gets in ahead of Jamie (225 @ 23).


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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2018, 10:29:01 AM »
I know he is a better lower order batsman however I just cannot see how S Curran (104 wkts @ 30) gets in ahead of Jamie (225 @ 23).
Tail would be too long with Porter, Anderson and Broad all genuine no. 11s.

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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2018, 10:36:53 AM »
I would prefer a bowler who bowls ahead of one who bats.

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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2018, 10:39:38 AM »
Well my reading is that they've preferred Curran over Wood. They've packed the batting by playing Woakes. I'm coming to the conclusion that Porter isn't really in the selectors' minds. Does anyone remember Peter Lee of Northants and then Lancs in the mid 1970s. Took loads of championship wickets but never picked? It feels a bit similar to that situation.

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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2018, 11:21:11 AM »
Well my reading is that they've preferred Curran over Wood. They've packed the batting by playing Woakes. I'm coming to the conclusion that Porter isn't really in the selectors' minds. Does anyone remember Peter Lee of Northants and then Lancs in the mid 1970s. Took loads of championship wickets but never picked? It feels a bit similar to that situation.

Curran is the Stokes replacement.  A lot of people seem to think he may turn out to be a better batsman than a bowler.  He was only called up 2 days ago as cover for him.  The choice was Wood or Woakes.

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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2018, 11:40:49 AM »
Agree that Broad should be dropped.

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Re: Thoughts on the next Test Squad
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2018, 11:54:56 AM »
Well my reading is that they've preferred Curran over Wood. They've packed the batting by playing Woakes. I'm coming to the conclusion that Porter isn't really in the selectors' minds. Does anyone remember Peter Lee of Northants and then Lancs in the mid 1970s. Took loads of championship wickets but never picked? It feels a bit similar to that situation.

Well, bit before my time, but I would argue that the CC was chock full of seamers who performed well season after season, so there always were people stuck in the queue.

Of these, some clearly were unfairly overlooked (JK Lever) perhaps because they played for the wrong team or 'face didn't fit'. However, there are plenty of seamers who got picked but were clearly not as good as their county form suggested.  For instance, remember Neal Radford who in the 1980s took 100s of wickets a season benefitting from damp Worcs wickets.

It would appear that Porter has suffered this season from the back injury as well as oppositions targetting him as he's not quite quick enough or doesn't do enough with the ball.   He's still done very well from someone who dropped out of the game. There's still time, and I still think he'd be too much like Anderson to have both in the side vying for the new ball and the number 11 spot.


From a county perspective, it'll be rgeat if Team England keep away from him as much as possible in the next season or so.  By that time, Cook and Beard might've established themselves (you never know, Quinn might be back as well). 

From an individual perspective, this is not a good time to get involved with the England team - poor coaching (with 'jobs for the boys' on the coaching staff, struggling captain, an over-emphasis on the upcoming World Cup, plus the likes of Anderson/Broad seemingling ruling the dressing room.