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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: DT on December 16, 2015, 04:34:24 PM
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Proving in this tour match he ain't no test opener - starting to think he won't play much ODI cricket soon either due to lack of runs for a while now in that. t20's fine but that's it for now...
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Proving in this tour match he ain't no test opener - starting to think he won't play much ODI cricket soon either due to lack of runs for a while now in that. t20's fine but that's it for now...
Well, one tour match isn't much evidence to go on. Could say the same about Cook. Time will see whether he's able to adapt to opening or will become another Shane Watson. I hope he does adapt, because he's the type of attacking foil to Cook's one paced nudging. The alternatives to Hale really are mostly nudgers themselves and they are not really helpful to Chef, because he starts chasing the ball in order to compensate for the lack of runs.
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Think that was the reason Compton was replaced when last in the test side, although scored some runs the innings never gained enough motion and put scoreboard pressure on the later order to enforce results , and the Captain was not to be replaced.
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True Andy, it is only one match but I don't think he's ever been technically good enough nor done enough in county cricket to warrant selection. If they want someone to score quickly they'd be better with Jason Roy. Hales ODI place must be under threat also, he's done diddly squat there for a year now...
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True Andy, it is only one match but I don't think he's ever been technically good enough nor done enough in county cricket to warrant selection. If they want someone to score quickly they'd be better with Jason Roy. Hales ODI place must be under threat also, he's done diddly squat there for a year now...
He got an ODI hundred 3 matches ago on 13th November. He's not good enough for Test cricket though, agreed. He's there by default. He had an ok season for Notts and no other openers did anything last year. Roy bats at 5 or 6 for Surrey in Div 2 so he was never going to get picked.
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True Andy, it is only one match but I don't think he's ever been technically good enough nor done enough in county cricket to warrant selection. If they want someone to score quickly they'd be better with Jason Roy. Hales ODI place must be under threat also, he's done diddly squat there for a year now...
He got an ODI hundred 3 matches ago on 13th November. He's not good enough for Test cricket though, agreed. He's there by default. He had an ok season for Notts and no other openers did anything last year. Roy bats at 5 or 6 for Surrey in Div 2 so he was never going to get picked.
Except that ton and one or two other knocks his ODI form has been poor.
Yes of course Roy doesn't open in the longer form - but as you say Hales is in the test side by default and I think Roy would have been a better bet!
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I reckon Nick Browne would be a better bet....
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True Andy, it is only one match but I don't think he's ever been technically good enough nor done enough in county cricket to warrant selection. If they want someone to score quickly they'd be better with Jason Roy. Hales ODI place must be under threat also, he's done diddly squat there for a year now...
Watching the ODIs earlier this year, I had similar thoughts - Hales is very much a front-foot thumper, Roy's footwork looks better and he seems happy both front- and back-foot.
Having said that, Roy usually bats well down the order for Surrey in the first class game so his technique might well get found out if thrown in the deep end in test cricket.
If Surrey gave him a long run opening, we'd have a better idea.
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I reckon Nick Browne would be a better bet....
Keeps his progress up and could very well go on tour next winter, we all know England have a different opening pairing every series and it won't change anytime soon...
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True Andy, it is only one match but I don't think he's ever been technically good enough nor done enough in county cricket to warrant selection. If they want someone to score quickly they'd be better with Jason Roy. Hales ODI place must be under threat also, he's done diddly squat there for a year now...
Watching the ODIs earlier this year, I had similar thoughts - Hales is very much a front-foot thumper, Roy's footwork looks better and he seems happy both front- and back-foot.
Having said that, Roy usually bats well down the order for Surrey in the first class game so his technique might well get found out if thrown in the deep end in test cricket.
If Surrey gave him a long run opening, we'd have a better idea.
Agree with all that. I actually really like Hales BUT his progress has stalled dramatically - he's gone no where in the county championship yet is suddenly opening in a test match...
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Marcus Trescthick was regarded has a OD dasher before stepping into the test arena , which did not do him any harm.
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Marcus Trescthick was regarded has a OD dasher before stepping into the test arena , which did not do him any harm.
Well...actually, it did. It sent him into a very bad depressive state mentally. Hopefully he's over that.
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Marcus Trescthick was regarded has a OD dasher before stepping into the test arena , which did not do him any harm.
Well...actually, it did. It sent him into a very bad depressive state mentally. Hopefully he's over that.
Nothing to do with becoming a Test Opener.
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It sent him into a very bad depressive state mentally. Hopefully he's over that.
I was in a very bad depressive state when he flogged our bowling at Colchester.
Time may heal but the mental scars remain. ;)
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Marcus Trescthick was regarded has a OD dasher before stepping into the test arena , which did not do him any harm.
True but Tresco had a bit more to his game and of course made an instant hit in the test arena. Hope Hales does the same, we need him too!!!
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It sent him into a very bad depressive state mentally. Hopefully he's over that.
I was in a very bad depressive state when he flogged our bowling at Colchester.
Time may heal but the mental scars remain. ;)
That sounds like a dig at Tresco which if it is is in poor taste, both my wife & daughter suffer from different forms of depression & it isn't funny for them or myself & my son, FWIW I saw that double ton by Tresco & it was superb with only Masters & incredibly Matt Walker of the bowlers commanding respect.
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It was a joke.
Hence the wink.
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Mental ill-health, VP, is nearly as funny as cancer.
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It was a joke.
Hence the wink.
Not the kind of thing to joke about!! I bet you would have objected if I had said something similar?
Anyway that should be an end to it.
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VP, that is more than enough from you on this subject. No more please.
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Re: Alex Hales
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2015, 02:40:01 PM
........"Agree with all that. I actually really like Hales BUT his progress has stalled dramatically - he's gone no where in the county championship yet is suddenly opening in a test match".........
DT, you say he (HALES ) has gone nowhere in the CC. However on the radio this morning, they were saying his stats for the last 2 years were 49 and 51 (very, very good) and especially coming from a lowly13. Now, i wonder who is right, you or them ? Please check and come back........
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(Yet another) flat track bully.
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Who Hales or Happyman17?
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and a HNY to you......
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I am sure you will all agree that Hales is looking rather good in the current test match vs So. Africa, with Cook out to an outstanding catch.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2015, 02:40:01 PM
........"Agree with all that. I actually really like Hales BUT his progress has stalled dramatically - he's gone no where in the county championship yet is suddenly opening in a test match".........
DT, you say he (HALES ) has gone nowhere in the CC. However on the radio this morning, they were saying his stats for the last 2 years were 49 and 51 (very, very good) and especially coming from a lowly13. Now, i wonder who is right, you or them ? Please check and come back........
Indeed they're right, had no idea his stats were that good - seemed to get low scores every time I checked!!! That said, only 8 scores of 50 or more in 20 inns is not a great conversion ratio is it...
Good to see him getting runs today but please bear in mind their two world class opening bowlers aren't playing...
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DT, ok, thanks for the reply, perhaps best in future to check before going with gut feeling and getting it wrong. He can only bat to what is put before him. He has faults, but he is an exciting prospect and a good foil to Cook. Time will tell if he succeeds, but playing on good test wickets should help him. He looks to be trying to leave a lot, which appears to be the way of a Test opener, that is apart from Warner, of course
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I wish some of Essex's batsmen could get over 50 8 times in 20 innings!!
More to the point that some could get 50+ 8 times per season!!
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he is an exciting prospect and a good foil to Cook. Time will tell if he succeeds, but playing on good test wickets should help him. He looks to be trying to leave a lot, which appears to be the way of a Test opener, that is apart from Warner, of course
Completely and utterly laughable that post - perhaps you should wait in future before writing too !!!
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DT, was it really laughable, my post on 02/01.16. I did say that "time will tel if he succeeds" Methinks you were itching to get back at me for pointing out to you an error in a previous post. i hope that you are not trying to be a substitute for a poster from the past. I think you favour Nick Browne, being biased , i do too, but remember, we are playing in div.2 , against so called weaker bowling.
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DT, was it really laughable, my post on 02/01.16. I did say that "time will tel if he succeeds" Methinks you were itching to get back at me for pointing out to you an error in a previous post. i hope that you are not trying to be a substitute for a poster from the past. I think you favour Nick Browne, being biased , i do too, but remember, we are playing in div.2 , against so called weaker bowling.
Very odd post...
To elaborate on your initial post :
A good foil for Cook ? In theory perhaps but in practice he's not staying in long enough
Seems to be leaving a lot - his dismissals in the series show this clearly is not the case
So as I said, laughable ;)
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how rude, end of the matter, dear Sir
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how rude, end of the matter, dear Sir
Apologies if you see it that way.
Anyway, another failure today means Cookie will have yet another new opening partner come our summer...
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how rude, end of the matter, dear Sir
Apologies if you see it that way.
Anyway, another failure today means Cookie will have yet another new opening partner come our summer...
Cook isn't looking too bomb proof either.
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Cooky less than 40 runs short of being the first Englishman to reach 10,000 test runs.
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Could Nick Browne really do a lot worse than the depressing series of those who have tried to open with Cook?
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well Cook hasn't exactly had a great time batting on this tour, but lets all be biased to the the hilt and get behind Browne for England
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well Cook hasn't exactly had a great time batting on this tour, but lets all be biased to the the hilt and get behind Browne for England
If Vaughany is singing Browne's praises then why can't others?
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well Cook hasn't exactly had a great time batting on this tour, but lets all be biased to the the hilt and get behind Browne for England
I'd prefer another season with Essex to help us gain promotion - has he really played enough to be a regular England choice?
He is clearly a very good prospect but we need First Division cricket to keep our good young players.
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well Cook hasn't exactly had a great time batting on this tour, but lets all be biased to the the hilt and get behind Browne for England
If Vaughany is singing Browne's praises then why can't others?
Indeed, although Vaughan is your typical ex-player-turned-media-'analysist' i.e. a t#@~pot.
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i think all those ex/current players on Sky are first rate, including the now not so tubby one from Kent, i realise Vaughan is on the radio. You say Vaughan has spoken about Browne, I personally did not see his comments, if you would be so kind, perhaps you can enlighten me as to what he said. I must say, i didn't think he would follow a division 2 player, being in may eyes of inferior quality.
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i think all those ex/current players on Sky are first rate, including the now not so tubby one from Kent
From this dubious comment I'm a little concerned. Why are you so 'happy' and where can I get some of it from??? ;)
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including the now not so tubby one from Kent
He'll always have a fat head.
Literally & figuratively.
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i think all those ex/current players on Sky are first rate, including the now not so tubby one from Kent, i realise Vaughan is on the radio. You say Vaughan has spoken about Browne, I personally did not see his comments, if you would be so kind, perhaps you can enlighten me as to what he said. I must say, i didn't think he would follow a division 2 player, being in may eyes of inferior quality.
Probably found out that Browne has a Yorkie relative.
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Michael Vaughan was born in Lancashire , so perhaps a move to his native red rose .