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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: constable.p@gmail.com on November 11, 2015, 04:43:04 PM
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He may not be with Essex anymore, but i am sure all of you lot on here along with me would want to congratulate Reece on his performance today for England. ;D ;D ;D
It just goes to show what we will be missing now that he has gone to Hants.
Just remind me, why he, being our top 1 day bowler has left ? He is only 21 years old. And here we are with just Porter and Moore and 2 other ageing and injury prone quicks.
Was it contract issues, lack of money, his father Don not getting on with Irani or something else?
What a shame he is not still at Essex :-[ :-[
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Happyman, his Dad answered all of those questions on a previous thread.
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There was a post from his dad somewhere which made the situation clear. More or less. Irani and he (Topperssnr) clearly don’t get on, and IIRC he’s no fan of Hilliard and Bowden either.
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ok, i did see the thread with something written by Don , just skimmed through it. I have to say Crisp that was not really helpful reply :-\ Is your opinion that it was down to a difference of opinion between the father and Irani? i don't want to hear again what Don has to say. That is his side , there may be another.
I hope that just because he is not at Essex anymore that no one on here has sour grapes, that would be childish.
Come on you lot, well done to the boy who was brought up at Essex and must be still an Essex fan, despite giving his all now for Hants .
PS if Irani was the cause for him to leave, then that is not good and a poor start for Irani, where is this new coach, sussex did not take long to name their one, but thetas another subject !
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Well next time try and read it properly. And yes this is not a helpful comment either.
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It was pretty clear at the Members Forum last night that Topley snr isn’t flavour of the month at the top in Essex cricket. Nor is likely to be any time soon. Not a lot specific said, it was the general tenor of remarks.
Sad, but there’s some history there and, TGH, while I don’t know the rights and wrongs, case as stated I can understand the situation.
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yep right about your own comment , re post4
thanks sqU...
i'll leave this subject now, disappointing response from some unhelpful guys :'(
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I think it all goes back to this:
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/6084234.COUNTY_CRICKET__Lancs_may_have_to_answer_match_fix_claims/?ref=arc
I always wondered why Don ever let his son play for Essex after this. I was at those matches ...
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Good Morning all. Interested to see and read people's various views etc. I would be most grateful if someone would confirm what was ACTUALLY said last evening? Best Wishes and thank you. Toppers
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re post 7, should be water under the bridge. Anyhow the son Reece has nothing to do with that incident. We seem to have lost our top bowler possibly because of a dislike between Irani and the father. I guess that is correct, as no one has said anything different. Personally, i would have got someone else instead of Irani if it meant keeping Reece Topley.
re post 8, this is the wrong thread for that , there is another on the home page for what happened last night , 11th November, which is not much by the looks of it.
PS note to Jwb, it cost's nothing to be polite and helpful to others.
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Without wishing to open the old debate, but..
It's great to see Topley being the lead wicket-keeper in the series. It's a shame that he learnt his technique at Essex and we won't see the benefit of this next season.
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Without wishing to open the old debate, but..
It's great to see Topley being the lead wicket-keeper in the series. It's a shame that he learnt his technique at Essex and we won't see the benefit of this next season.
If he makes it at international level, we wouldn't have anyway because he'd be either 'injured' or 'rested' if he wasn't playing. We'd only have seen the benefit if he'd peed in our new Aussie coaches' can of XXXX. Which some might say would've improved the flavour - always start the day is a glass of aqua vitae.
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good to see Topley bowling well, i just can not understand why his batting is so awful, considering he up bringing, i would appreciate no sour grapes unhelpful remarks., such as having Don as his dad and so on....
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I don't think his bowling has particularly moved on ... yet. He can get good players out and also still bowl some rubbish. What he really needs is plenty of competitive bowling. At 22yo he should be fully physically developed so let's see how much cricket he plays for Hampshire.
No professional cricketer these days should be a very poor batsman a la Jim Griffiths, Kevin Jarvis etc.
Looks like he doesn't want to bat.
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I don't think his bowling has particularly moved on ... yet. He can get good players out and also still bowl some rubbish. What he really needs is plenty of competitive bowling. At 22yo he should be fully physically developed so let's see how much cricket he plays for Hampshire.
No professional cricketer these days should be a very poor batsman a la Jim Griffiths, Kevin Jarvis etc.
Looks like he doesn't want to bat.
His old man was a half decent bat, so this seems strange. Is it the step up in pace/accuracy of the bowling he's facing? One problem is that Reece won't have faced the calibre of Marshall, Holding Walsh etc regularly as his father would've done back in the 1980s. I'm not sure u19 type cricket is really relevant for a young player with international ambitions in the short term and he's been kept away from regular Championship cricket.
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Like the other posters I'm pleased he's doing well for England, still scope for improvement physically, mentally etc, he needs regular cricket in 2016 not being injured so much & his back to hold up, like his action, decent run up, good temperament & bowls good yorkers & slower deliveries.
Batting wise he is poor, Don could teach him a bit (he was no mug himself), runs lower down are always useful, Tom Craddock wasn't much of a bat when he joined but he contributed a few useful innings & more importantly developed a decent defensive technique making himself hard to get out, Reece could aspire to that at least.
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Poor fielding should have gambled and taken the catch which ended up on the grass.
Why bowl full tosses to Morris who showed in one day games what he can do with them?
Why didnt he learn from earlier in the over when he didnt get close enough to the wicket to run the non striker out?
Stretching by being short of the wicket cost us the game as he was struggling and dropped the fielders return and ultimately the game.
Hard pills to swallow for Reece?
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Unlucky Topley!! haha, Judas!
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Leaving aside the predictable Judas rubbish (why not stick to watching football if that's the most intelligent comment you can come up with?) this does show what a limited cricketer Topley currently is. His fielding is almost as bad as his batting, and as for the latter, can anyone name a worse No 11 to have played for Essex? Even Charlie Childs was better. These day-especially in limited overs-just having one strong suit isn't enough.
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He hasn't played enough good class cricket to become savvy.
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can anyone name a worse No 11 to have played for Essex? Even Charlie Childs was better. These day-especially in limited overs-just having one strong suit isn't enough.
Scott Brant wasn't very good,David Acfield similarly, seem to recall Andy Clarke & Joe Grant as being poor also, but yes as you say you can't just be good at one skill;, I noticed a bit last year & also the year before Reece had deteriorated in the field a bit & his bowling lacked a bit of control, perhaps when he matures & gains more experience he will improve in these areas.
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To move on he has to stay fit which is a talent he lacks.
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can anyone name a worse No 11 to have played for Essex? Even Charlie Childs was better. These day-especially in limited overs-just having one strong suit isn't enough.
Scott Brant wasn't very good,David Acfield similarly, seem to recall Andy Clarke & Joe Grant as being poor also, but yes as you say you can't just be good at one skill;, I noticed a bit last year & also the year before Reece had deteriorated in the field a bit & his bowling lacked a bit of control, perhaps when he matures & gains more experience he will improve in these areas.
Clarke wasn't that bad. Andrew Mcgarry was as bad a Topley. There was very little difference between Topley and Tait last year. One match last year Topley batted at 10 ahead of Tait. Although somehow Tait has two First class 50s. He hasn't played any first class cricket for years so he probably has got worse since then as he would hardly face a ball in T20.
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can anyone name a worse No 11 to have played for Essex? Even Charlie Childs was better. These day-especially in limited overs-just having one strong suit isn't enough.
Scott Brant wasn't very good,David Acfield similarly...
I have the memory of Acfield dropping a crucial sitter on the boundary in a JPL match at Chelmsford right in front of us. Couldn't tell you which match it was, but the image (false or true) is ingrained in my mind. Never quite forgave him.
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Personally i don't feel his bowling is good enough to make up for his lack of batting ability in the short game. Woakes or Willey would be better for the team.
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He needs to learn a lot and fast. Something that England cricketers always seem less able to do than others and, as is said, he's not getting the match experience.
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I would have Topley in the side over Jordan all day!! Jordans bowling has been poor at best (excluding one or two games). Nick Knight said that England believe he is their best Yorker bowler, so why does he bowl so much other toot.
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I would have Topley in the side over Jordan all day!! Jordans bowling has been poor at best (excluding one or two games). Nick Knight said that England believe he is their best Yorker bowler, so why does he bowl so much other toot.
pardon the diversion but I see you have written "toot" to describe Jordan's ragtag mix of dross, I always wonder how this word is actually written, we all no how to pronounce it but toot seems to be the word for the sound a car horn makes and for is as in jelly for, so how is it spelt ?
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can anyone name a worse No 11 to have played for Essex? Even Charlie Childs was better. These day-especially in limited overs-just having one strong suit isn't enough.
Scott Brant wasn't very good,David Acfield similarly, seem to recall Andy Clarke & Joe Grant as being poor also, but yes as you say you can't just be good at one skill;, I noticed a bit last year & also the year before Reece had deteriorated in the field a bit & his bowling lacked a bit of control, perhaps when he matures & gains more experience he will improve in these areas.
Clarke wasn't that bad. Andrew Mcgarry was as bad a Topley. There was very little difference between Topley and Tait last year. One match last year Topley batted at 10 ahead of Tait. Although somehow Tait has two First class 50s. He hasn't played any first class cricket for years so he probably has got worse since then as he would hardly face a ball in T20.
Partly answering my own question re worst Essex No 11s, yes I'd forgotten about McGarry, and agree he was no better than Topley. A lot of tail enders can belt the occasional ball out of the ground if they are strong enough, eg Joe Grant, a certain Pakistani leg spinner, even Topley senior (I once saw him hit three successive 6s in pursuit of 24 needed off the last over), but Reece sadly seems to belong to the "can't get it off the square" brigade, as did McGarry-although does anyone remember the time he faced Glen McGrath and cheekily snicked a single to get off strike? (v Worcs).
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I can't remember if he batted at 11, but the Irish lad Adrian McCoubrey, was not much of a batsman.
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This might sound a stupid question, but how much of a step up from league cricket is it for those who bat down the order in the 1st class game? I ask this because I remember people saying that Childs made useful runs when he dropped out of the 1st XI and played for his club. Perhaps some of the ex pros who lurk on here could enlighten us village sloggers...