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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: frank21 on January 06, 2015, 06:13:40 PM
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So my question to you all is what is the best ENG 50 over line up for oz (& NZ). I am a bit concerned that Moeen Ali will be a not quite as an opener against aus pace attack in aus.
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1.Moeen Ali
2.Alex Hales (bell as spare more conservative opener)
3.James Taylor
4.Root (ballance to bat here and root to up if taylor has a shocker)
5.Ravi Bopara (might get the chop for ballance although less bowling options)
6. Morgan
7.Jos Buttler
8.Chris Jordan (or woakes although his batting is less agressive maybe swap order with broad)
9.Broad
10.Tredwell
11.Anderson
Not convinced about Steven Finn in the squad, i dont believe that is finished he might need to leave middlesex though to totally regain his mojo and avoid eng coaching set up.
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What if Morgan has a shocker?
His latest performances in the Big Bash are 12*, 6, 7, 16*
I'm not expecting much, think Hales will soon get found out, and Ravi will again flatter to deceive.
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What if Morgan has a shocker?
No if about it.
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After watching todays debacle it wont matter who they put out they are no where near good enough!
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Cookie must be pleased to be away from this shambles.
The best thing that can be said about Morgan is that he doesn't hang around and use up the overs.
He gets out quickly and let's someone else have a go!
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Thinking forward to the Ashes, I suspect getting knocked out of the World Cup early might be a blessing in disguise. We're not good enough to win the World Cup so get back and get back in the groove for 5 day cricket would be best, in my opinion
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Thinking forward to the Ashes, I suspect getting knocked out of the World Cup early might be a blessing in disguise. We're not good enough to win the World Cup so get back and get back in the groove for 5 day cricket would be best, in my opinion
Yep enjoy the 5 day cricket while it lasts. It is dying on its feet.
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Any more hundred plus run defeats and suggest all England cricket will be dying on its feet, due to the Sky monies being under review, and England victories will be on DAVE or UK GOLD .
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Looks like the Scotland game will be our cup final the loser getting the wooden spoon
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Hope Sky drop cricket then I can drop Sky Sports!
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sky won't drop cricket, they would show snail racing if they thought at least 1 person would watch it.
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Good to see England's new Captain is in such sparkling form!! I am amazed that the Press haven't turned on Morgan as he is even worse than Ally was!! Also astonished that Ravi was the fall guy again, if in doubt drop Ravi, I know Ballance is a decent bat but better for 5 day Tests & not a proven England 1 day player.
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The media won't turn on Morgan yet; they were campaigning for him to get the job for over a year.
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Got up this morning expecting to watch the end of the game and was met with highlights!
Why am I not surprised?
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I'm loving it - and so should Cook
It was portrayed that all ills were down to Cooks batting and captaincy.
Perhaps people will now realise that it is down to people to execute their own skills as the batsmen are still getting themselves out and the bowlers are still getting carted all over the field.
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I'm loving it - and so should Cook
It was portrayed that all ills were down to Cooks batting and captaincy.
Perhaps people will now realise that it is down to people to execute their own skills as the batsmen are still getting themselves out and the bowlers are still getting carted all over the field.
Well, AC didn't help matters did he? Let's face it Moores was the nth choice (insert number between 5 and 29) coach because no credible candidate wants the job. Same could be said for the captaincy post(s) - only incompetents and/or lunatics want the job. And no, KP would make no difference at all.
We desperately need a new Nasser Hussain, streetwise aggressive - for all his faults able to keep discipline as well as keep up spirits. Dusty Miller was very shrewd to leave when he did...
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What was it Capt Morgan said about the experienced players stepping up...? Not a chance, we're looking at a total shambles already led by a man who can't buy a run & last Summer led Middlesex to bottom place in T20 & little better in the RL.
Ravi must indeed be bad if he can't get into this side, it'll be interesting to see if Dominic Cork carries out his threat to streak naked over London Bridge if Scotland beat us next!!
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Well they can't cite being underprepared having cleared the calendar of red ball cricket since August.
The fact that we'll no doubt qualify for the quarter finals illustrates what a flawed and over long format the competition has. It ought to be 4 groups of 4 with 3 group games and straight into the quarter finals. You'd get more minnows involved and the whole thing would move on more quickly.
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The fact that we'll no doubt qualify for the quarter finals illustrates what a flawed and over long format ...
That's the major source of disappointment. The sooner this squad gets packed off home with tails between legs the better. And as far as the coaching is concerned, it's a case of Moores is less.
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Is Moores a coach or manager?
They have a batting coach, bowling coach and fielding coach so where does Moores come in?
Anyway all of our problems were down to Cooks lack of tactical nous and flexibility and were going to be resolved by the genius of Morgan.
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Is Moores a coach or manager?
They have a batting coach, bowling coach and fielding coach so where does Moores come in?
Anyway all of our problems were down to Cooks lack of tactical nous and flexibility and were going to be resolved by the genius of Morgan.
No one said that. Neither did anyone rate Moores as either coach or manager. If we had kept AC in post as captain it would be no different than keeping Grayson in as coach at ECCC. Both had a little bit of success but not really fitting the role.
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i think Cooks had a lucky escape.
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Morgan is obviously a good judge as he thought they had enough!God knows what would have happened if Root had not been put down early.Can they beat the Bangla's?
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Right ...
...this is what they should do...
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Bring Tredwell, Bopara and Hales in for all of the remaining games. Not so much that they need them to beat Bangla and Afgan but so that they can get some match practice ahead of the QF.
Boapra gives bowling variety to the attack, Hales can clear the ropes and Tredwell is our best 1-day bowler.
Drop Finn or Anderson, Ali and Ballance.
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Right ...
...this is what they should do...
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Bring Tredwell, Bopara and Hales in for all of the remaining games. Not so much that they need them to beat Bangla and Afgan but so that they can get some match practice ahead of the QF.
Boapra gives bowling variety to the attack, Hales can clear the ropes and Tredwell is our best 1-day bowler.
Drop Finn or Anderson, Ali and Ballance.
Agree with the three coming in but I would drop Bell rather than Ali.
All that will happen though is Hales for Ballance.
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Someone who did not rate Moores from the start ,England's No 1 nut .
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Ballance has not provided what his name suggests he should, the bowling gets continually carted around, surely Hales & Ravi can't do any worse than what we have?
England lack a natural No 3? Er no they actually have one over there... Ravi who is Essex's regular No 3 & has done very well for us over the years, then have Taylor as No 4 which he fulfils very well for Notts, followed by our truly wonderful Captain (not)!!
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apart from Ravi i'm not sure who the other squad members are but i'd give them all the next 2 games and tell the lot who will get dropped that they've failed to perform so they are out.
morgan will probably make no changes win the next two against poor teams and rave about how he's stuck with the players and they got us through the group.
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Surely it 's time after this world cup to go for relative youth and stick with it come hell or high water. It's barely possible to do worse than we have in the last Ashes and this tournament. That means ditching - for all their past achievements - Bell,Anderson,Broad,Finn, Morgan,Bopara and possibly Cook too. Forget entirely about Pieterson and probably Trott as well. All of them, for different reasons - age, attitude, consistency,confidence- are past their sell by date. Bring in Root as captain and Lyth,Lees,Vince,Moeen,Buttler,Rashid, Ballence ( for tests), Taylor,Jordan,Topley,Overton,Wood,Roy. There are risks in exposing the young too soon but it would certainly show who is resilient enough to cope with international sport at the top.
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Surely it 's time after this world cup to go for relative youth and stick with it come hell or high water. It's barely possible to do worse than we have in the last Ashes and this tournament. That means ditching - for all their past achievements - Bell,Anderson,Broad,Finn, Morgan,Bopara and possibly Cook too. Forget entirely about Pieterson and probably Trott as well. All of them, for different reasons - age, attitude, consistency,confidence- are past their sell by date. Bring in Root as captain and Lyth,Lees,Vince,Moeen,Buttler,Rashid, Ballence ( for tests), Taylor,Jordan,Topley,Overton,Wood,Roy. There are risks in exposing the young too soon but it would certainly show who is resilient enough to cope with international sport at the top.
i'd go with that, players will either sink or swim but as you say it can't be any worse than what is happening at the moment.
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Surely it 's time after this world cup to go for relative youth and stick with it come hell or high water. It's barely possible to do worse than we have in the last Ashes and this tournament. That means ditching - for all their past achievements - Bell,Anderson,Broad,Finn, Morgan,Bopara and possibly Cook too. Forget entirely about Pieterson and probably Trott as well. All of them, for different reasons - age, attitude, consistency,confidence- are past their sell by date. Bring in Root as captain and Lyth,Lees,Vince,Moeen,Buttler,Rashid, Ballence ( for tests), Taylor,Jordan,Topley,Overton,Wood,Roy. There are risks in exposing the young too soon but it would certainly show who is resilient enough to cope with international sport at the top.
i'd go with that, players will either sink or swim but as you say it can't be any worse than what is happening at the moment.
Certainly not the worst post I've seen on here, Worth a try, can't be worse than what we have now!!
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Gooch was on talksport this morning and you got the impression he wasn't keen on a KP recall although he does think Trott is worth giving another go.
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Youth, captained by Ravi.
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I'd have Ravi in the team but not sure about him as captain.
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After watching todays shambles I am sure they don't have a clue what their best team is and after listening to Moores he sounded like a dead man walking.We dont know what goes on in the dressing room but clearly something is not right.Roll on the Ashes!
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After watching todays shambles I am sure they don't have a clue what their best team is and after listening to Moores he sounded like a dead man walking.We dont know what goes on in the dressing room but clearly something is not right.Roll on the Ashes!
Reminds me of 1999 - when we couldn't win a game against a bunch of stiffs. However, the obvious changes to specific people (i.e. Moores out) is one thing, but the problem is the only solutions seem not to address the actual problems - not enough people following (or playing) the game at grass roots and a seeming decline in the quality of the county game.
Ironically I think it's the lack of foreign players which is a problem now: with centrally contracted players and O/S not available enough there's not enough competitiveness or new ideas about to play the shorter game in particular.
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Reminds me of 1999
When England were out even before the team record was released?
This time they didn't even get to book a studio ;)
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Reminds me of 1999 ...
Tonight we're gonna party like we've just been knocked out of the World Cup...
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Reminds me of 1999 ...
Tonight we're gonna party like we've just been knocked out of the World Cup...
I notice that one of Prince/Glyph's early singles included "Soft and Wet". Oh the irony/humanity.
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Reminds me of 1999 ...
Tonight we're gonna party like we've just been knocked out of the World Cup...
I notice that one of Prince/Glyph's early singles included "Soft and Wet". Oh the irony/humanity.
It's enough to make a dove cry.
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Sign O' the times I guess.
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Kiss (Moores goodbye with any luck. PS Ireland are also welcome to Eoin Morgan)
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Get in Stu Law as coach. Start playing players like Roy, ,Vince, Stokes, Rashid.
Hales
Roy
Taylor/Lees
Root
Vince
Buttler
Stokes
Rashid
Willey??
Dunn
Topley
Could not do any worse and would be building going forward
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Presumably one or two of the current squad will retire from white ball cricket - Anderson springs to mind. Given the build up, the clearance of the fixture list it strikes me the coach and captain are culpable. I read that Downton has already confirmed that Moores is to stay in post. Maybe fair enough for test matches but not for ODIs where big changes are needed.
My 13 year old son's theory is that Downton decides Flower has to be replaced by Moores, which means Pietersen has to go. In his view we've sacrificed a maverick world class bat to accommodate a mediocre coach.....
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Presumably one or two of the current squad will retire from white ball cricket - Anderson springs to mind. Given the build up, the clearance of the fixture list it strikes me the coach and captain are culpable. I read that Downton has already confirmed that Moores is to stay in post. Maybe fair enough for test matches but not for ODIs where big changes are needed.
My 13 year old son's theory is that Downton decides Flower has to be replaced by Moores, which means Pietersen has to go. In his view we've sacrificed a maverick world class bat to accommodate a mediocre coach.....
KP is not that good - he's been found out by the better 20/20 leagues. Still potentially able to make significant contributions, but this no longer offsets his sociopathic tendencies. Time to move on from KP.
Maybe we ought to have a lions team that competes as a franchise in the IPL - that would be more use than meaningless red ball matches in damp English conditions early summer.