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Cricket => Official Q&A => Topic started by: squarelegumpire on August 07, 2014, 06:37:24 PM
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What is the policy on bringinging reasonable quantities of alcohol into the ground.
I know it’s zero for t20.
It’s OK for tour matches PROVIDED THAT it’s in plastic, not glass. I think. What about cans?
It’s any reasonable quantity (for members anyway) for LVCC games.
However, what’s the situation with One Day cup games? Someone's said none, but on Tuesday my wife and I brought in a bottle of wine; the steward looked into our bag, saw the bottle (presumably; it was clearly in view) and said OK. Later my wife brought in a couple of cans of gin & tonic from M&S and nothing was said.
A definitive statement would be appreciated, as would some consistency. I can understand the t20 policy, of course.
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What is the policy on bringinging reasonable quantities of alcohol into the ground.
I know it’s zero for t20.
It’s OK for tour matches PROVIDED THAT it’s in plastic, not glass. I think. What about cans?
It’s any reasonable quantity (for members anyway) for LVCC games.
However, what’s the situation with One Day cup games? Someone's said none, but on Tuesday my wife and I brought in a bottle of wine; the steward looked into our bag, saw the bottle (presumably; it was clearly in view) and said OK. Later my wife brought in a couple of cans of gin & tonic from M&S and nothing was said.
A definitive statement would be appreciated, as would some consistency. I can understand the t20 policy, of course.
Already answered a couple of days ago by Starfish.
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Limit of four cans and no glass vessels for fifty over non sky games
Thanks
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So why could I bring in a bottle of wine on Tuesday? It was clearly visible. I opened my bag, (a picnic backpack), the steward picked up the seat cushion we had in there, saw what else was there and that was that. We went on in. No questions.
Fair enough if that’s the rule; plastic containers are no problem.
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Afraid I cannot answer that, an oversight, thanks
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So it’s no alcohol for t20 or TV'd 50’s, then?
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No alcohol for TV games and t20
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Been to the Oval and Lords in last two days with no sign of a bag search.
Is the alcohol policy only an Essex thing?
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Been to the Oval and Lords in last two days with no sign of a bag search.
Is the alcohol policy only an Essex thing?
They've got to find some way to make people buy that Shepherd Neame stuff !!
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They've got to find some way to make people buy that Shepherd Neame stuff !!
Tsk ... that's no way to talk about a "valued partner".
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Been to the Oval and Lords in last two days with no sign of a bag search.
Is the alcohol policy only an Essex thing?
Yep and not the only 'Essex only' thing.
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Yep and not the only 'Essex only' thing.
You mean there are no other counties who have different priorities to those stated?
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we were o holiday in Scotland last week and after a day out my son and I watched a bit of the Kent game against Glamorgan on Sky. He pointed out that during the interval kids were playing on the outfield. I seem to recollect that isn't allowed at televised games at Chelmsford?
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we were o holiday in Scotland last week and after a day out my son and I watched a bit of the Kent game against Glamorgan on Sky. He pointed out that during the interval kids were playing on the outfield. I seem to recollect that isn't allowed at televised games at Chelmsford?
Yep I queried it some time ago. At first I was given some 'old pony' about it being an ECB regulation. Eventually the club admitted it was a local decision brought about by some unruly crowd behaviour in past games.
I've oft' requested that the club allow juniors (at least) on to the outfield at *all* games as this is a key ingredient in bringing in new/retaining junior members which the marketing dept keep telling us is all important.
We need some people in the marketing dept. who know something about cricket!
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a local decision brought about by some unruly crowd behaviour in past games.
Was that the infamous stump stealing incident?
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I did try drinking a glass of beer when I was about 15 yrs. of age, I found it to be foul tasting and it also made me feel bloated. Ever since then, I've stuck to ice cold milk.
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The trick is to mix it Dr Feelgood style. ;)
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The trick is to mix it Dr Feelgood style. ;)
The year that was released we won our first Championship !
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Moving away from the subjects of Diatribe's abstinence and, more interestingly, Feelgood's only top ten hit and back to the matter in question.
Danny,
On Wednesday, arriving at the Members entrance at around 1:30 I was directed to the bag search table. At this table a burly, bearded security guard was making a couple of late middle-aged gentlemen pour the contents of about 4 cans and one bottle of beer into plastic cups (thoughtfully provided). Partly because it was holding me up and partly because I felt sorry for them I got involved and pointed out that the security guard must be mistaken as the club had tweeted about 45 mins earlier " ....alcohol is permitted into the ground but must not be in a glass." I offered to show him the message but he wasn't interested.
You frequently ask what you can do to maximise benefits to members, and, whilst we all appreciate that most of the things members want are outside of your control, one thing you could do is treat members as welcome and responsible visitors rather than conniving smugglers. Are bag searches of members really necessary. Is there anything wrong with bringing a reasonable amount of alcohol into the ground. If you smartened up your product line with some decent local Essex produce you might find less people inclined to bring in their own.
During the interval, we had security guards posted all round the outfield standing grimly staring into the crowd as if ready to fend off an invasion. Really? Not a great image of a friendly welcoming community-conscious county cricket club. Let them guard the square and let the children play on the outfield.
Above all, do not confuse the 50-over matches with the Friday night piss-ups that pass as cricket matches. I can appreciate the need for more overt security on such occasions.
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Well said Mick. Spot on.
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Thanks for post
Will pass comments on to necessary people. The bag searches take place for the safety and security of everyone, we conduct these to follow ECB guidelines. It would be impossible for us to operate safely by not doing some of the searches.
We have security on the pitch to prevent the odd person from damaging the wicket or stealing the sky camera stump.
We are reviewing food options to bring improvements in offering, value and range for 2015.
Thanks as always for valued comments
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Thanks for post
Will pass comments on to necessary people. The bag searches take place for the safety and security of everyone, we conduct these to follow ECB guidelines. It would be impossible for us to operate safely by not doing some of the searches.
We have security on the pitch to prevent the odd person from damaging the wicket or stealing the sky camera stump.
We are reviewing food options to bring improvements in offering, value and range for 2015.
Thanks as always for valued comments
No sorry disagree. A complete over-reaction and damaging to the club.
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And of course Lords let you take a bottle of wine/2 pints of beer into all games including glass bottles. I asked a steward there about that and he said MCC members like taking in a bottle of wine/champagne in to the ground so the club decided that a small amount would be allowed for everyone and that the ECB/ICC could therefore take a running jump. It doesn't especially bother me as Wednesday was the only white ball game I've got to this year at Chlemsford or Colchester and I was driving but the contrast in approach is interesting
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Thanks for post
Will pass comments on to necessary people. The bag searches take place for the safety and security of everyone, we conduct these to follow ECB guidelines. It would be impossible for us to operate safely by not doing some of the searches.
We have security on the pitch to prevent the odd person from damaging the wicket or stealing the sky camera stump.
We are reviewing food options to bring improvements in offering, value and range for 2015.
Thanks as always for valued comments
Danny,
Not quite your usual comprehensive response. You have not addressed why the club were tweeting that alcohol not in glasses could be brought in but had not informed the security guards accordingly. What is the issue with a couple of cans of beer that suddenly goes away when it's poured into a plastic glass? Missiles perhaps ? Then surely anything in a can (or indeed any hard object) should be subject to the same policy not just alcohol. I'm sorry Danny, but you're hiding behind the "health and safety" mantra to defend a lot of intrusive and unnecessary (not to mention inconsistent) procedures which are followed at best randomly by the security personnel. If the bag searches really were "for my safety" I would want them carried out rather more professionally than they are!
As for allowing youngsters to play on the outfield, I had said that the wicket (and precious Sky kit) could and should be guarded. That need not preclude use of the outfield.
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Thanks for comments
Apologies if there were any miss communications with regard the policy.
Thanks
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Thanks for comments
Apologies if there were any miss communications with regard the policy.
Thanks
Miss Communications ? We could have a competition like Miss World. Winner gets to do the announcing at County Championship games; couldn't do any worse than the present incumbent. ;)
Danny, we're not getting much closer and you haven't answered any of my questions. Who was right .... tweeter or security guard ?
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Danny makes the point that the "alcohol in glass bottles" rules is a result of ECB GUIDELINES. Not rules! Danny, we'd be grateful if you'd point that out to the relevant people. Guidelines.
Clearly too many on the Committee don't trust their fellow members, and indeed because of the opaque electoral and committee structure are frequently not actually representative of the ordinary member.
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To clarify no glass vessels are allowed at the ground
A limit of four cans is allowed - please refer to ground regulations
Thanks
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So for the 50 over QF (assuming it's at Chelmsford) my wife and I can bring a plastic 75ml container of wine, plus two cans of M&S gin & tonic? Plus two plastic "glasses" out of which to drink the wine?
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So for the 50 over QF (assuming it's at Chelmsford) my wife and I can bring a plastic 75ml container of wine, plus two cans of M&S gin & tonic? Plus two plastic "glasses" out of which to drink the wine?
It would seem that you could bring in a 3-litre wine box...
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To clarify no glass vessels are allowed at the ground
A limit of four cans is allowed - please refer to ground regulations
Thanks
Sorry Danny, that isn't really clarifying anything. Are you saying the big, burly, bearded steward (resisting the temptation to keep the alliteration going) had been incorrectly instructed or was exceeding his brief. It really isn't on, hassling members unnecessarily and it's even worse if the steward is acting on a whim. If that is the case perhaps the club would like to issue an apology to those of its members inconvenienced in that way last Wednesday.
I really do appreciate your prompt and attentive responses to questions on here, but this issue appears nebulous to say the least.
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To clarify no glass vessels are allowed at the ground
Empty vessels are welcome though.
How long has Grayson been coach now?
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Memo to club -
Notts vs Derby 50 over QF match today
... at a Test ground
... on Sky TV
...... spectators playing on the outfield during the break
Hmmmm ...
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I blame Rupert Murdoch for such dangerous extremism & wholeheartedly support the club's principled stand against kids having fun. ;)
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We'll have it quoted as anti terrorism next.
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Perhaps we could ban Darren Stevens from entry on those grounds.
He's terrorized us for years.
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Memo to club -
Notts vs Derby 50 over QF match today
... at a Test ground
... on Sky TV
...... spectators playing on the outfield during the break
Hmmmm ...
Chelmsford isn't (yet!) a Test ground but spectators were invited to go on the grass last night, despite the presence of the almighty Sky. Looks like the Club did note and respond on this occasion.
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Yes people were allowed on the ground - well done
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Yes people were allowed on the ground - well done
Yes credit where it's due. Now let's see this done at all non-T20 games please..... and *PUBLICISE IT*
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spectators were invited to go on the grass last night, despite the presence of the almighty Sky.
Or alternatively did Rupe's cronies insist on it?
I should imagine they want some background colour when Nick Knight is dispensing "wisdom".
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I've been to the oval for quite a few games this year and they always have bag searches for 20/20 games and one day matches so Essex are no different.
The bag search on Thursday took less than 30 seconds and were very friendly.