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Cricket => Official Q&A => Topic started by: BlueEagles on June 24, 2014, 09:09:20 PM
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Danny,
Last years accounts revealed that the number of FULL MEMBERS reduced from 1,353 in 2012 to 1,220 in 2013. This is a very alarming reduction of 10%. As the season is half way through and thus recruitment of new members will now be negligible, can you please review your database and advise
this forum what the updated figure is?
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the number of full members is 1200( and some change)?
bloody hell, i thought it was about 6000.
No wonder we push T20...
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I think full members refers to lifers.
Any drop in that number will have to include deaths I imagine.
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Going off the election results as published and making one or two (possibly unjustified) assumptions I would estimate that there are about 5-6000 members, including “lifers”.
Basis for calculations: candidates received a grand total of 3326 votes. Assuming everyone didn’t use all their 5 votes, but it averaged out at 3 per member (from experience elsewhere) then that gives about 1100 voters. Again from experience elsewhere I would expect a postal vote to result in around 20% of those entitled to vote doing so, which gives around 5500 potential voters, of who we know lifers are around 1200. Ergo, there are somewhere between 4 and 5 thousand full members.
I am of course, willing to be challenged, or told I’m wrong, but it seems to fit!
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I think full members refers to lifers.
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Nope. Full members are adult yearly renewals. You are correct to be alarmed at the drop in member numbers. Not sure the club is quite so worried.
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If that’s the case, Nat, and I’d be grateful for a reference in support of Blue Eagle’s opening remarks, the recent committee elections had an excellent turnout
If 1200 members plus (what?) 300 lifers, so 1500 all voted for 5 candidates, that would have mean 7500 votes. In fact there were 3326 or 44% of the possible. Now I know for a fact that some members didn’t vote for 5 candidates so if on average this engaged group voted for 4 that would be 6000 possible votes or 55%. Very, very impressive. Well above the average Trade Union or professional society.
5000 or so, including lifers sound more likely, TBH.
Surely the Committee hasn’t got that level of support!
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Thanks for post and interest.
We, like nearly every County we have spoken to, have seen a decline in Membership numbers in recent years. To date, for 2014, we are approx. 5% down across all categories. Membership uptake within the Junior / Teen / Young Adult and Premier Suite as well as new life Members are certainly encouraging to date.
The main overriding reason for non renewal (shown via our telephone calls) is sadly ill health and their ability to get to games.
Obviously we have all of the one-day competition to come and the Colchester Festival, both usually generate a modest flurry of Memberships. We are starting work now on gathering feedback, listening to lapsed, current and potential Members for us to build the Membership packages for 2015.
We are striving to add further value and benefits of being an Essex County Cricket Club Member. Obviously this is a key focus for all at the Club. With the above in mind if you would like to send your suggestions for how we can maintain and ideally increase Membership numbers: danny.macklin@essexcricket.org.uk / 01245 254039 or in person at an upcoming game.
Kind regards, Danny
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Only 5%.
We're obviously a tolerant bunch.
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The ability to get to games should also include the ability to get home from games.
I know a number of members who like one day games (40 overs preferred although they will tolerate 50 overs) - but have no interest in T/20.
For some reason all the Essex 50 over home games are day night which will finish around 10pm or later, and for people who rely on public transport, or those that have an hours journey home and an early start for work next morning these late finishes are not attractive.
An 11am start for a couple of 50 over games would be more attractive to those who have to consider the value of the membership package.
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Thanks for post and interest.
We, like nearly every County we have spoken to, have seen a decline in Membership numbers in recent years. To date, for 2014, we are approx. 5% down across all categories. Membership uptake within the Junior / Teen / Young Adult and Premier Suite as well as new life Members are certainly encouraging to date.
The main overriding reason for non renewal (shown via our telephone calls) is sadly ill health and their ability to get to games.
Obviously we have all of the one-day competition to come and the Colchester Festival, both usually generate a modest flurry of Memberships. We are starting work now on gathering feedback, listening to lapsed, current and potential Members for us to build the Membership packages for 2015.
We are striving to add further value and benefits of being an Essex County Cricket Club Member. Obviously this is a key focus for all at the Club. With the above in mind if you would like to send your suggestions for how we can maintain and ideally increase Membership numbers: danny.macklin@essexcricket.org.uk / 01245 254039 or in person at an upcoming game.
Kind regards, Danny
We are down 5% of what?
1000?
5000?
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Only 5%.
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Year on year.
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The ability to get to games should also include the ability to get home from games.
I know a number of members who like one day games (40 overs preferred although they will tolerate 50 overs) - but have no interest in T/20.
For some reason all the Essex 50 over home games are day night which will finish around 10pm or later, and for people who rely on public transport, or those that have an hours journey home and an early start for work next morning these late finishes are not attractive.
An 11am start for a couple of 50 over games would be more attractive to those who have to consider the value of the membership package.
Thanks for post, please see fixtures for Lancashire 50 over start time
http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/fixtures/
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That's good to know Danny, thanks.
In the yearbook, page 192, the fixtures show the floodlight sign against the Lancashire match, and I took that as a day night match.
I'm pleased that now we have one that starts at a more reasonable time.
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To prove the old saying that you cannot please all of the people all of the time. I bet that a number of non driving members will complain that a 10.30 am start on a weekday for a one day game will mean, shock horror that they will have to pay full fare on public transport. Also rail cards and bus passes will be invalid.
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Thanks for post and interest.
We, like nearly every County we have spoken to, have seen a decline in Membership numbers in recent years. To date, for 2014, we are approx. 5% down across all categories. Membership uptake within the Junior / Teen / Young Adult and Premier Suite as well as new life Members are certainly encouraging to date.
The main overriding reason for non renewal (shown via our telephone calls) is sadly ill health and their ability to get to game.
Obviously we have all of the one-day competition to come and the Colchester Festival, both usually generate a modest flurry of Memberships. We are starting work now on gathering feedback, listening to lapsed, current and potential Members for us to build the Membership packages for 2015.
We are striving to add further value and benefits of being an Essex County Cricket Club Member. Obviously this is a key focus for all at the Club. With the above in mind if you would like to send your suggestions for how we can maintain and ideally increase Membership numbers: danny.macklin@essexcricket.org.uk / 01245 254039 or in person at an upcoming game.
Kind regards, Danny
Danny,
Many thanks for your prompt response, however, can you please advise us how many 'Full Members' we currently have, i.e. the 26-63 year olds, who pay the full fee of £159?
With respect, it should be easy to increase the Junior membership ( Associate Members),
as they only pay £10 or £12 per year!
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morning,
at this stage the figures are still to be audited so to speak, at this stage we are over the 1,000 mark of what we classify as 'full members'.
Cannot stress enough - we are hear to listen, we want to maintain and ideally grow the number of Members that we have. Your constructive feedback is vital.
Thanks in advance.
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There's a simple way to get more members ... improve the quality of the cricket!
I've followed Essex since 1971 - we didn't always win in those days but matches were competitive and the team played with an obvious enjoyment of playing. I then moved out of Essex because of work but still followed matches throughout the south east. I didn't mind travelling because a good match was worth it - win or lose.
Now I think twice if it's a long journey ....
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Thanks, Danny. Can well understand if memberships come in throughout the year.
However, I wonder if you could find out for me how many ballot forms were issued for the Committee elections earlier this year. As I’ve posted before, on the figures stated the rate of return seems very high indeed.
If correct of course, then it reflects great credit on the membership and their interest in the Club’s affairs!
PM me by all means if you prefer. Otherwise I expect, weather permitting, to be at the Gloucs match on Monday. (Can’t come Sunday; family occasion!)
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morning,
at this stage the figures are still to be audited so to speak, at this stage we are over the 1,000 mark of what we classify as 'full members'.
Cannot stress enough - we are hear to listen, we want to maintain and ideally grow the number of Members that we have. Your constructive feedback is vital.
Thanks in advance.
So there we have it. A thousand members paying, say, just £150,000 between. Barely a couple of executive salaries !! That figure could be matched or exceeded from a couple of T20 matches and people wonder why the club is so T20-centric !
What we really need is a bit of honesty and transparency.
Instead of stating that County Championship Cricket "is a priority", a statement along the lines of:
"County Championship Cricket is really a flawed business model and it matters not greatly where we finish in the league given that we can't go down and going up would bring a number of unwelcome challenges. Despite this we will do our best to be as competitive as possible in the longer game, bearing in mind we have a squad assembled primarily to excel in the one day (and shorter) format. Against this background, members should appreciate that occasionally things won't go too well and adverse records which have stood since the days of W G Grace may well be broken year on year. Also do not expect too many challenging and risky declarations in pursuit of winning points; we will at least be able to say we have lost less than half our games."
would more accurately reflect the situation but maybe wouldn't do so well on the marketing front.
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Like it Mick. As with all satire, some truths in your statement - attacking the ECB and unrealistic members as well as the ECCC mgt. Some phrases are similar to what I've said: being competitative in all formats (although realistically more likely to succeed in certain ones) is one that they could use - although we wouldn't expect them to explicitly state the whole of that point.
I still feel that despite Derbys travails this past couple of seasons, their CEO's comment that 'we've got a plan that we think is realistic although ambitious about getting into D1' treats members like grown-ups and ultimately brings less criticism when things go sour.
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Danny, just going back to the Lancashire 50 over home game, which was listed as a floodlight game in the Year book and the official fixture card (with a provisional against it), was it Lancashire who pushed for a day only game or did the request come from Essex?
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Thanks for post and interest.
We, like nearly every County we have spoken to, have seen a decline in Membership numbers in recent years. To date, for 2014, we are approx. 5% down across all categories. Membership uptake within the Junior / Teen / Young Adult and Premier Suite as well as new life Members are certainly encouraging to date.
The main overriding reason for non renewal (shown via our telephone calls) is sadly ill health and their ability to get to games.
Obviously we have all of the one-day competition to come and the Colchester Festival, both usually generate a modest flurry of Memberships. We are starting work now on gathering feedback, listening to lapsed, current and potential Members for us to build the Membership packages for 2015.
We are striving to add further value and benefits of being an Essex County Cricket Club Member. Obviously this is a key focus for all at the Club. With the above in mind if you would like to send your suggestions for how we can maintain and ideally increase Membership numbers: danny.macklin@essexcricket.org.uk / 01245 254039 or in person at an upcoming game.
Kind regards, Danny
One suggestion, today, at my final visit at Chelmsford, (certainly on a weekend), one of my friends noticed that today's play is indeed the very last day of weekend cricket at the FCG this season. If the Club has any interest attracting new members, retaining the dwindling number of those they currently possess and getting those lapsed members to rejoin, perhaps they should put some effort into having some weekend cricket!?
I appreciate the Club are to a greater or lesser degree beholden to the ECB for fixture scheduling, however other Club's appear to have no problem scheduling weekend cricket post the end of June! (Derbys and Worcs. for e.g. in their 50 over fixtures with ECCC).
Do you not find it utterly ludicrous that at the half-way point of the cricket season calendar, there is not a single Saturday or Sunday at Chelmsford throughout July, August and September?
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Do you not find it utterly ludicrous that at the half-way point of the cricket season calendar, there is not a single Saturday or Sunday at Chelmsford throughout July, August and September?
As long as there is plenty of Crash-Bang-Wallop on a Friday they could care less.
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Thanks for post and interest.
We, like nearly every County we have spoken to, have seen a decline in Membership numbers in recent years. To date, for 2014, we are approx. 5% down across all categories. Membership uptake within the Junior / Teen / Young Adult and Premier Suite as well as new life Members are certainly encouraging to date.
The main overriding reason for non renewal (shown via our telephone calls) is sadly ill health and their ability to get to games.
Obviously we have all of the one-day competition to come and the Colchester Festival, both usually generate a modest flurry of Memberships. We are starting work now on gathering feedback, listening to lapsed, current and potential Members for us to build the Membership packages for 2015.
We are striving to add further value and benefits of being an Essex County Cricket Club Member. Obviously this is a key focus for all at the Club. With the above in mind if you would like to send your suggestions for how we can maintain and ideally increase Membership numbers: danny.macklin@essexcricket.org.uk / 01245 254039 or in person at an upcoming game.
Kind regards, Danny
One suggestion, today, at my final visit at Chelmsford, (certainly on a weekend), one of my friends noticed that today's play is indeed the very last day of weekend cricket at the FCG this season. If the Club has any interest attracting new members, retaining the dwindling number of have those they currently possess and getting those lapsed members to rejoin, perhaps they should put some effort into having some weekend cricket!?
I appreciate the Club are to a greater or lesser degree beholden to the ECB for fixture scheduling, however other Club's appear to have no problem scheduling weekend cricket post the end of June! (Derbys and Worcs. for e.g. in their 50 over fixtures with ECCC).
Do you not find it utterly ludicrous that at the half-way point of the cricket season calendar, there is not a single Saturday or Sunday at Chelmsford throughout July, August and September?
Thanks for post, we have very little say on fixture schedule I am afraid, ideally yes we would have more weekend cricket between now and season end. Thanks
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My school age son went to his last cricket of the season yesterday at Chelmsford. The school summer holidays are 3 weeks away! He'll probably get to Colchester on the Sunday after playing in the morning but everything else is now during the week in school term. T20 doesn't work for him - he trains with his club on Friday evenings and the 50 over games are clustered in a period when we're on holiday. He's hoping to see the seconds at Halstead and Coggeshall in the school holidays. It's not just the children of course. A very good friend and Essex member living in the north is a school teacher. There's very little left for him too. Surely something an be done to play more cricket in those 6 weeks? Too many slots are taken out of the schedule by T20 knock out games and the ECB should ensure there's some tourist fixtures (A teams/Under 19 games?) so the counties not playing in a championship round should have some sort of fixture? Some of the scheduling beggars belief. It seems bizarre that we get so many dead periods and then end up ramming in 50 over games - has anyone noticed we're playing at Derby and Scarborough on successive days?
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The issue for me with membership has been the reduction in 1 day matches. Used to be 8 games (40/50 overs). We are now down to just 4 this season but the prices have still gone up. I do get to some Championship cricket but not enough to make it worthwhile The only benefit of having a membership for me is the discounted T20 tickets for me and friends.
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morning,
at this stage the figures are still to be audited so to speak, at this stage we are over the 1,000 mark of what we classify as 'full members'.
Cannot stress enough - we are hear to listen, we want to maintain and ideally grow the number of Members that we have. Your constructive feedback is vital.
Thanks in advance.
Only ECCC can recruit a 'Membership & Customer Engagement Manager,' then subsequently see their 'Full Members' volumes DECREASE by circa 17%!!!
No wonder the club lost circa £70k last year and now have the temerity to charge us longer suffering Members to park!!
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Evening, as always we want to hear from members on ways we can add value. Please see above as to reasons for parking.
Thanks, Danny
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Evening, as always we want to hear from members on ways we can add value.
Thanks, Danny
Tricky one that. To add value you have to give more for the same price or give the same for a lower price.
Identifying what most members want can't be too difficult: decent cricket played at appropriate times (i.e. summer as well as spring and autumn), and decent facilities (seating, catering and, importantly, parking). It would appear your hands are tied on just about all those points so the only realistic way you can add value is to charge less.
All these voucher offers are trifling irrelevancies and your sterling work in these areas is likely to fall on stony ground.
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Evening, as always we want to hear from members on ways we can add value.
Thanks, Danny
Tricky one that. To add value you have to give more for the same price or give the same for a lower price.
Identifying what most members want can't be too difficult: decent cricket played at appropriate times (i.e. summer as well as spring and autumn), and decent facilities (seating, catering and, importantly, parking). It would appear your hands are tied on just about all those points so the only realistic way you can add value is to charge less.
All these voucher offers are trifling irrelevancies and your sterling work in these areas is likely to fall on stony ground.
Agree. Membership value should be centred around the cricket on offer.
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morning,
at this stage the figures are still to be audited so to speak, at this stage we are over the 1,000 mark of what we classify as 'full members'.
Cannot stress enough - we are hear to listen, we want to maintain and ideally grow the number of Members that we have. Your constructive feedback is vital.
Thanks in advance.
So there we have it. A thousand members paying, say, just £150,000 between. Barely a couple of executive salaries !! That figure could be matched or exceeded from a couple of T20 matches and people wonder why the club is so T20-centric !
What we really need is a bit of honesty and transparency.
Instead of stating that County Championship Cricket "is a priority", a statement along the lines of:
"County Championship Cricket is really a flawed business model and it matters not greatly where we finish in the league given that we can't go down and going up would bring a number of unwelcome challenges. Despite this we will do our best to be as competitive as possible in the longer game, bearing in mind we have a squad assembled primarily to excel in the one day (and shorter) format. Against this background, members should appreciate that occasionally things won't go too well and adverse records which have stood since the days of W G Grace may well be broken year on year. Also do not expect too many challenging and risky declarations in pursuit of winning points; we will at least be able to say we have lost less than half our games."
would more accurately reflect the situation but maybe wouldn't do so well on the marketing front.
superb post. Absolutely spot on and very funny.
This number of 1000 is very scary to be honest. I've had a number of jousts related to the ageing membership and it seems I'm very much correct if what Danny says is correct. Which, if I'm honest, is a real shame.
My constant reminders that T20 is keeping us afloat as a club is now proven 100%. again, a shame, but I've known this for the past 5 years, based on simple maths. What I didn't realise is how little the Membership was bringing in.
I'd been doing the sums based on the mythical 6000 members, and it seems I was wildly wrong.
The bottom line then Danny, is that in order to attract new members, the membership cost has to go down mate. For example, I've currently managed to see two days of LVCC cricket at the ECG, and there are no more days on a weekend this year! If it wasn't for the 3 50 over(D/N) games, I actually wouldn't get to see anymore cricket at all (other than T20, which I will continue to support) without taking a day off work. Now given I'm self employed, every day costs me....a fair few quid, and we'll leave it there.
I raise again my suggestion of a working members ticket. £50 per year giving pavilion entry/members enclosure privileges (!), but £5 per day entry to both 50 over and LVCC cricket. a Members Season ticket to the T20 would also be a great idea, but I'm happy to continue to get reduced price tickets if not.
I know so many people who have stopped buying a membership, and therefore stopped attending (due to the daily cost of the tickets). And these people would use the bars and food outlets.
We have to do something here....
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Thanks for thoughts, cannot stress enough we need feedback on future membership packages
Worth remembering all other equally important categories, seniors, young adults, premier suite, corporate etc
Please do stop me at any game, phone, email or via here on ways we can attract, retain and regain members, of all ages
Thanks
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Thanks for thoughts, cannot stress enough we need feedback on future membership packages
Worth remembering all other equally important categories, seniors, young adults, premier suite, corporate etc
Please do stop me at any game, phone, email or via here on ways we can attract, retain and regain members, of all ages
Thanks
Get out to all the local clubs around Chelmsford, Billericay, Shenfield, Brentwood etc. They must have large junior sections. Offer them subsidised junior membership (e.g. 10 for the price of 8) and special treatment on match days e.g. meet the players, coaching session with one of the first team.
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Thanks for thoughts, cannot stress enough we need feedback on future membership packages
Worth remembering all other equally important categories, seniors, young adults, premier suite, corporate etc
Please do stop me at any game, phone, email or via here on ways we can attract, retain and regain members, of all ages
Thanks
Get out to all the local clubs around Chelmsford, Billericay, Shenfield, Brentwood etc. They must have large junior sections. Offer them subsidised junior membership (e.g. 10 for the price of 8) and special treatment on match days e.g. meet the players, coaching session with one of the first team.
How much exactly do you want the existing £10 per year junior membership subsidised?
Junior cricket players rarely come from the poorer sections of society and generally they can afford the tenner.
Aim instead to give the full paying members value for money.
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Thanks for comments. Please keep them coming, thanks
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How much exactly do you want the existing £10 per year junior membership subsidised?
Junior cricket players rarely come from the poorer sections of society and generally they can afford the tenner.
Aim instead to give the full paying members value for money.
Well, thanks for hammering another nail in the coffin of professional cricket.
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How much exactly do you want the existing £10 per year junior membership subsidised?
Junior cricket players rarely come from the poorer sections of society and generally they can afford the tenner.
Aim instead to give the full paying members value for money.
Well, thanks for hammering another nail in the coffin of professional cricket.
Sorry Andy,
Not quite sure how pointing out that there is not scope for a great deal of subsidy on a membership of TWENTY PENCE A WEEK is in any way harming the future of professional cricket.
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Aim instead to give the full paying members value for money.
That would involve fielding a four day side that was fit for purpose.
So no hope & Bob Hope.
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Danny, many thanks for coming back and taking this on board, I would propose the following package would increase membership:
Working member package
£50 Membership ticket - allows access to pavilion and members seating on game days. Continues to offer reduced pricing at T20 matches. However, for LVCC/one day cup, a reduced price admission is payable, would need to be determined but not exceeding £8 per day.
working members that wish to continue on the current membership scheme are more than able.
Out of County Membership.
Current members travelling more than 50 miles to Chelmsford and having a registered postal address with the club should be offered a reduced price membership say £80. New members wishing to take advantage of the reduced membership would need to produce two forms of identification showing their current postal address.
There's a couple for starters. Hope this is of assistance mate. Happy to discuss at your convenience and will be over on Tuesday evening next week mate.
Andy
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Very good post Blocky.
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Good post Blocky. I think some sort of linkage with juniors in clubs would be good. And how about using some of the executive boxes which are usually unused in 4 day games as a members area with a pay bar? By the way me and my non member pal were commenting on how splendid Castle Park was on Monday. A lovely day out. I wish I could have got to more of the festival - Danny could the club lobby to get it in the school holidays next year?
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Good post Blocky. I think some sort of linkage with juniors in clubs would be good. And how about using some of the executive boxes which are usually unused in 4 day games as a members area with a pay bar? By the way me and my non member pal were commenting on how splendid Castle Park was on Monday. A lovely day out. I wish I could have got to more of the festival - Danny could the club lobby to get it in the school holidays next year?
I like the idea of using the empty exec boxes in some way. I agree that Castle Park looked very good this year - the extra stands make it look like a proper ground. They need to allocate another game to Castle Park - 1-day or 4-day to cement its future.
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I agree that Castle Park looked very good this year - the extra stands make it look like a proper ground. They need to allocate another game to Castle Park - 1-day or 4-day to cement its future.
No stick to Chelmsford thank you
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Thanks for post. The schedule for this season made it impossible to host a one day / T20 Blast next to an LV= game
Thanks
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Thanks for post. The schedule for this season made it impossible to host a one day / T20 Blast next to an LV= game
Thanks
Er, you just did.
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Sorry I meant in August, been a long week!
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Thanks for post. The schedule for this season made it impossible to host a one day / T20 Blast next to an LV= game
Thanks
Obviously, with our next home County Championship cricket a ludicrous 55 days away.
I see no other county in our Division has such a long gap between home games. Did we volunteer or did they just pick on us ?
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We have very little say I am afraid on the schedule the ECB gives us. Thanks
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They need to allocate another game to Castle Park - 1-day or 4-day to cement its future.
We also need the shortsighted CDC onside - which unfortunately they are not - even with every hotel in town fully booked for the duration and many B&B's on the outskirts too.
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We also need the shortsighted CDC onside - which unfortunately they are not - even with every hotel in town fully booked for the duration and many B&B's on the outskirts too.
yet again you remove my post when i factually correct. Having just checked the unused rooms over the festival period, there was plenty of availability in and around Colchester
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We also need the shortsighted CDC onside - which unfortunately they are not - even with every hotel in town fully booked for the duration and many B&B's on the outskirts too.
yet again you remove my post when i factually correct. Having just checked the unused rooms over the festival period, there was plenty of availability in and around Colchester
I don't know why you are so obsessed with trying constantly detract from the Colchester Festival (somewhere that I doubt that you have ever attended) . My info (CDC apart) was taken from a few people who had tried to book in Colchester and other sources. You are adding nothing to this Q&A thread, therefore, you were initially deleted.
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I don't know why you are so obsessed with trying constantly detract from the Colchester Festival (somewhere that I doubt that you have ever attended) . My imfo (CDC apart) was taken from a few people who had tried to book in Colchester and other sources. You are adding nothing to this this Q&A thread, therefore, you were initially deleted.
Firstly I have been to the Colchester Festival many times before so please dont be so condescending. I wasn't detracting from it, I was correcting your factually incorrect reply
By the same token you should remove your "Colchester was fully booked" post as that was adding nothing to the thread either. I was just replying that it wasn't and was plenty of availability as i have the full reports compared to you asking a few people and making out you actually know!
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Firstly I have been to the Colchester Festival many times before so please dont be so condescending. I wasn't detracting from it, I was correcting your factually incorrect reply
My post was responding to comment generally offering a valid opinion on how Colchester Festival might be saved. I merely offered an informed reason why that might not be the case (Colchester District Council and funding) , plus other information. Please keep your posts on-topic to avoid further deletions.
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Hope this isn't off topic, but I assume that the County liaises with the District Council, and with the local Tourist Board when there's a Festival.
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Hope this isn't off topic, but I assume that the County liaises with the District Council, and with the local Tourist Board when there's a Festival.
I think so too. But The problem seems to be that unlike, e.g. Southend Council, CDC are unwilling ("can't afford") to help fund our festival. At least that's my understanding of the situation.
Which is ,I think , shortsighted in the extreme considering the amount of trade Colchester Festival brings into the town.
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I think so too. But The problem seems to be that unlike, e.g. Southend Council, CDC are unwilling ("can't afford") to help fund our festival. At least that's my understanding of the situation.
Which is ,I think , shortsighted in the extreme considering the amount of trade Colchester Festival brings into the town.
...you have posted something positive about Southend, glad i was sitting down!
All in fairness Southend Council was very good and wanted the festival. The year it went made a profit, unlike the loss suffered at Colchester.
(hope this is on topic ) By playing the T20 at Colchester even though there was 4500, would have lost at least £30k compared to staging it at Chelmsford with a 6000
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All in fairness Southend Council was very good and wanted the festival. The year it went made a profit, unlike the loss suffered at Colchester.
(hope this is on topic ) By playing the T20 at Colchester even though there was 4500, would have lost at least £30k compared to staging it at Chelmsford with a 6000
Yes, Southend wanted some use for Garon Park so,therefore, funded the Southend Festival. But with The Castle Park it's a tourist attraction in itself and, it seems to me, that CDC are far less than desperate to keep the festival going at any cost.
Nevertheless, it's still a shortsighted decision in many ways
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IIRC in the distant past didn't Colchester Council used to put money into the Festival, I can remember us having 2 40 over games a couple of years, one of which was televised on a Tuesday at the end of August with floodlights hired.
I believe one of the reasons Essex quit Ilford was that my local Council Redbridge declined to put money in when Essex requested so the County don't play there any more which is a shame as crowds were good & the 1 day fixture always had a full house.
It always helps with Festivals if they are at the same time each season eg - Cheltenham is always in mid July, once it gets chopped & changed that is usually the beginning of the end - hopefully not for Colchester which is always enjoyable.
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I think so too. But The problem seems to be that unlike, e.g. Southend Council, CDC are unwilling ("can't afford") to help fund our festival. At least that's my understanding of the situation.
Which is ,I think , shortsighted in the extreme considering the amount of trade Colchester Festival brings into the town.
...(hope this is on topic ) By playing the T20 at Colchester even though there was 4500, would have lost at least £30k compared to staging it at Chelmsford with a 6000
Not necessarily. We don't know how much corporate hospitality revenue came in at Colchester. Then factor in the no. of memberships dependent on staging games at Colchester. Might be much closer than you think/want.
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The year it went made a profit
Profit is only measured in monetary terms.
Essex's record at Barren Park was truly abysmal.
Much like the viewing experience.
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The year it went made a profit
Profit is only measured in monetary terms.
Essex's record at Barren Park was truly abysmal.
Much like the viewing experience.
So only play in a titchy little ground in Chelmsford?
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I think so too. But The problem seems to be that unlike, e.g. Southend Council, CDC are unwilling ("can't afford") to help fund our festival. At least that's my understanding of the situation.
Which is ,I think , shortsighted in the extreme considering the amount of trade Colchester Festival brings into the town.
...(hope this is on topic ) By playing the T20 at Colchester even though there was 4500, would have lost at least £30k compared to staging it at Chelmsford with a 6000
Not necessarily. We don't know how much corporate hospitality revenue came in at Colchester. Then factor in the no. of memberships dependent on staging games at Colchester. Might be much closer than you think/want.
Don't forget 550 cars on Saturday at £5 each which you don't get at Chelmsford.
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Not necessarily. We don't know how much corporate hospitality revenue came in at Colchester. Then factor in the no. of memberships dependent on staging games at Colchester. Might be much closer than you think/want.
Chelmsford has plenty of corporate as well for T20. You havent included set up costs etc. Considering we only have 1000 memberships anyway it will be very few , who would just get them for just Colchester. By the same token i know many ex members who refused to renew once they got rid of Southend (i am sure there were Ilford members who were the same) and would then join back up if they got rid of Colchester so it swings both ways
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Essex's record at Barren Park was truly abysmal.
After reading your posts surely Essex's record EVERYWHERE is truly abysmal
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You are all fortunate to live in Essex and can get to see a match relatively easily.
I don't live in Essex these days so it's usually an away match (nearest first class ground is 30 miles) or over two hours drive to Chelmsford.
I've seen Essex play at 30+ grounds including Westcliff, Southchurch Park, Ilford, Colchester and Chelmsford - they are all different. Sussex stopped playing at my favourite ground of theirs (The Saffrons) and I don't want Essex to become a mono-ground club.
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... i know many ex members who refused to renew once they got rid of Southend (i am sure there were Ilford members who were the same) and would then join back up if they got rid of Colchester so it swings both ways
Your vendetta against Colchester seems to be making the assumption that playing at Colchester means not playing at Southend, and vice versa. That doesn't have to be the case.
Essex used to be a much more popular and successful club when they played at grounds around the county, as well as Chelmsford. They used to win more games then, partly because the out grounds are more likely to produce result wickets. As Mr Bopara observed yesterday: http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2014/content/current/story/760867.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2014/content/current/story/760867.html)
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You are all fortunate to live in Essex and can get to see a match relatively easily.
I don't live in Essex these days so it's usually an away match (nearest first class ground is 30 miles) or over two hours drive to Chelmsford.
I've seen Essex play at 30+ grounds including Westcliff, Southchurch Park, Ilford, Colchester and Chelmsford - they are all different. Sussex stopped playing at my favourite ground of theirs (The Saffrons) and I don't want Essex to become a mono-ground club.
Amen to that. Best post of the day.
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Your vendetta against Colchester seems to be making the assumption that playing at Colchester means not playing at Southend, and vice versa. That doesn't have to be the case.
Essex used to be a much more popular and successful club when they played at grounds around the county, as well as Chelmsford. They used to win more games then, partly because the out grounds are more likely to produce result wickets. As Mr Bopara observed yesterday: http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2014/content/current/story/760867.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2014/content/current/story/760867.html)
I think in an ideal world would good for Essex to play around the county as they did when it was Ilford/Southend/Colchester, always used to get crowds at all of them, although we were an impressive side back then. Also in those days was endless company tents around the ground which decreased everywhere once businesses needed to cut back , which in turn hit the festivals. I am sure our membership was around 6000 then, which has dwindled to 1000 now, I am sure the ending of a few festivals has been partly to blame. I know many ex members who used to go to Chelmsford but would have the week off for the Southend week so a membership was worth having back then. Remember days at Southchurch Park where crowds of 7/8000 packed in and they had to close the gates for the Sunday League match.
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After reading your posts surely Essex's record EVERYWHERE is truly abysmal
No just abysmal.
We never won a first class match at Barren Park & that must have been a factor in its binning.
"The Championship is a priority" remember.
Oh yes we did. More than one in fact. You have truly been outed as a rabble rouser. Please go away.
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No just abysmal.
We never won a first class match at Barren Park & that must have been a factor in its binning.
"The Championship is a priority" remember.
More incorrect facts, but lets not get in the way of an anti-Garons post!
Played 7 Champ games - winning 3 losing 4.
The last game we bowled Leicester out for 34 with Masters getting 8-10
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...Remember days at Southchurch Park where crowds of 7/8000 packed in and they had to close the gates for the Sunday League match.
Yes. I remember Southchurch Park, Castle Park, Chalkwell Park, Valentines Park, Leyton and even Harlow being pretty much rammed full for Sunday League games (as well as Chelmsford). Those were the days.
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It might seem bizarre to most on here, but I fancy that Hoddy's favourite ground was the much missed (ahem) Garon Park. Such a shame that there was only a couple of dozen there to witness his 5 fer.
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It might seem bizarre to most on here, but I fancy that Hoddy's favourite ground was the much missed (ahem) Garon Park. Such a shame that there was only a couple of dozen there to witness his 5 fer.
Southend Festival done well making a £15k profit that year then with only a couple of dozen people then
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Oh yes we did. More than one in fact.
Funny how the memory cheats.
All I can remember is dismal backside kickings on what felt like the Siberian steppes.
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PS Bless, stickypants has designed an avatar specifically in my honour.
I guess this is what it feels like to be a big time hate figure like Larry.
Don't get too big for your boots - Larry is disliked by all (bar one) on this BB. At the moment I estimate you've only got 87%... ;)
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Must do better eh?
Just like Larry's report card since 2010.
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Must do better eh?
Just like Larry's report card since 2010.
But he became Head Coach in 2007??? ???
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But he became Head Coach in 2007??? ???
He copied Pettini's schoolwork the first couple of years.
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Danny,
I'm surprised with your comment that Full Member volumes have decreased due to ill health. Without appearing ageist, surely that would have more of an impact on our Senior Members i.e 65 years +. Ironically, their member volumes increased slightly in 2013.
I know and have spoken to many Ex Full Members and their reasons for not renewing are as follows: 1) The demise of the very profitable Southend Festival, in particular the way the decision was made and subsequently implemented. 2) The erratic and on occasions, pathetic performances of the team. 3) The apathy with our Committees. The perception is they are arrogant, parochial, complacent and not transparent. 4) The No Refund Policy for inclement weather etc..
For your information, during the past 2 years I have completed various on line feedback forms, suggestion forms and even re-arranged a work commitment to attend the Focus group meeting, which was cancelled at the 11th hour. To this day I have never had the courtesy of an acknowledgement let alone an apology!! That said, I will send you my updated ideas in due course.
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After reading your posts surely Essex's record EVERYWHERE is truly abysmal
No just abysmal.
We never won a first class match at Barren Park & that must have been a factor in its binning.
"The Championship is a priority" remember.
That statement is not simply inaccurate but so wide of the mark it suggests that facts just don't come into it when you are pursuing your vendettas.
Three wins in seven matches, more wins than from our last 7 visits to Colchester, more wins than from our last 9 visits to Valentines Park and, of course a far greater ratio of wins to matches than we've seen at Chelmsford for many a year.
Whilst you might easily have forgotten the exciting win over Durham, set up by Andy Flower and Andre Adams in 2005 and even perhaps our big 200+ runs win over Somerset a year later when all 10 batsmen used got over 20 in our second innings, there should be no excuse for failing to remember Masters incredible performance against Leicester in our win by nearly 300 runs just three years ago.
It's real Ministry of Truth stuff for you, isn't it.
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Especially as I went to that game. :-[
You actually went to an Essex game?
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Danny,
I'm surprised with your comment that Full Member volumes have decreased due to ill health. Without appearing ageist, surely that would have more of an impact on our Senior Members i.e 65 years +. Ironically, their member volumes increased slightly in 2013.
I know and have spoken to many Ex Full Members and their reasons for not renewing are as follows: 1) The demise of the very profitable Southend Festival, in particular the way the decision was made and subsequently implemented. 2) The erratic and on occasions, pathetic performances of the team. 3) The apathy with our Committees. The perception is they are arrogant, parochial, complacent and not transparent. 4) The No Refund Policy for inclement weather etc..
For your information, during the past 2 years I have completed various on line feedback forms, suggestion forms and even re-arranged a work commitment to attend the Focus group meeting, which was cancelled at the 11th hour. To this day I have never had the courtesy of an acknowledgement let alone an apology!! That said, I will send you my updated ideas in due course.
Cant believe you got away with comment no.1 - normally warrants a ban on here!
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I used to go quite a lot.
Thankfully that predated you stalking my every move on here.
I'd need a restraining order at the County Ground. ;D
Thank god you don't go anymore
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That statement is not simply inaccurate but so wide of the mark it suggests that facts just don't come into it when you are pursuing your vendettas.
Three wins in seven matches, more wins than from our last 7 visits to Colchester, more wins than from our last 9 visits to Valentines Park and, of course a far greater ratio of wins to matches than we've seen at Chelmsford for many a year.
Whilst you might easily have forgotten the exciting win over Durham, set up by Andy Flower and Andre Adams in 2005 and even perhaps our big 200+ runs win over Somerset a year later when all 10 batsmen used got over 20 in our second innings, there should be no excuse for failing to remember Masters incredible performance against Leicester in our win by nearly 300 runs just three years ago.
It's real Ministry of Truth stuff for you, isn't it.
Some good wins there Mick. The Leicester victory, although I hear people say "must have been a crap wicket" etc was that just before they batted Ravi has just got 178 and Masters himself made 48 to prove otherwise. And the Flower knock of about 130 was class in 2005
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I clearly remember the victory over Leics at GP being one of the few who remained in very chilly conditions, also in the win over Durham in 2005 Andy Flower scored an unbeaten century when we had to get just under 300 to win. I also believe bar losing heavily to Somerset in 2010(?) & Warwicks we managed to win our other 1 day games there including absolutely thrashing Northants by 8 wickets in 2008(?) ,that being said we did get hammered on some occasions notably by Gloucs in 2007 & Glam in 2008.
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I clearly remember the victory over Leics at GP being one of the few who remained in very chilly conditions, also in the win over Durham in 2005 Andy Flower scored an unbeaten century when we had to get just under 300 to win. I also believe bar losing heavily to Somerset in 2010(?) & Warwicks we managed to win our other 1 day games there including absolutely thrashing Northants by 8 wickets in 2008(?) ,that being said we did get hammered on some occasions notably by Gloucs in 2007 & Glam in 2008.
full Garon Park record here - http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Grounds/11/2438.html
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With apologies to BlueEagles. Given the amount of personal dross that have necessitated a tiresome amount of deletions , indicates that this thread seems to have more than run its course. May I humbly suggest that you discuss your concerns directly with Danny as an alternative ?