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Cricket => Official Q&A => Topic started by: IanS on June 21, 2014, 03:25:38 PM
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I wonder when thje Club will start to consult with its members over the Ground Development? The last update on the website is undated but says:
"...development will commence on site in the next few weeks."
so I guess it was some months ago. It goes on to say
"Now that the first Phase can start the Club will now focus on its facilities which will form part of the next stage. Work will now start on reviewing the original plans to ensure that they meet our requirements in that we build the facilities that will serve the needs of the modern game, our members, sponsors and supporters."
Most keen cricket followers like to watch from position close to or behind the bowlers arm. From the fuzzy sketches on the website, the number of seats in the Tom Pearce stand and River Stand will be reduced to a small fraction of their current capacity and replaced by seats in or around the pavilion.
Overall, we are giving away a fair bit of freehold land and prime viewing seats in exchange for a new pavilion and executive suite. Not much in it for the members.
If anyone from the Club is reading this, I'd welcome some feedback.
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From what I can see the new pavilion is all about improving facilities for the deadbeats on the coaching and playing staff.
The shack at Barren Park is too good for them if you ask me.
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I am not too worried about the lack of seats as the number of occupants is getting less and less each season.
I did hear a conversation at the last CC match, claiming that all the developers have to do for the people who have bought the flats off plan. Is put down a strip of concrete, leave it at that and say, we have started building your flat, no refunds.
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I wonder when thje Club will start to consult with its members over the Ground Development? The last update on the website is undated but says:
"...development will commence on site in the next few weeks."
so I guess it was some months ago. It goes on to say
"Now that the first Phase can start the Club will now focus on its facilities which will form part of the next stage. Work will now start on reviewing the original plans to ensure that they meet our requirements in that we build the facilities that will serve the needs of the modern game, our members, sponsors and supporters."
Most keen cricket followers like to watch from position close to or behind the bowlers arm. From the fuzzy sketches on the website, the number of seats in the Tom Pearce stand and River Stand will be reduced to a small fraction of their current capacity and replaced by seats in or around the pavilion.
Overall, we are giving away a fair bit of freehold land and prime viewing seats in exchange for a new pavilion and executive suite. Not much in it for the members.
If anyone from the Club is reading this, I'd welcome some feedback.
It's incredible isn't it, Ian?
Sadly and all too predictably, when the Club have something to hide or the hype cannot be made to fit their agenda it all goes quiet. In my professional experience I have yet to see a development on this or any other scale, that is so reticent to display any relevant information or images. If Better managed, consultative and inclusive this should have been a showcase for the Club, and one where they could 'exploit' the situation to get their membership and support on their side. Unfortunately, the continued silence, indeed closely guarded state secret like status to this project is embarrassing. The closely censored images that have been allowed to seep out into the wider public domain, pay far more attention to the utilitarian, artless and environmentally unfriendly apartment blocks than they do to the actual spectator accommodation. I wonder why?
Additionally, I fail to see why any mere member will be consulted this time around than was patently not the case in 2007/8. The Club are run by the same uninspiring, second-rate, old boys & associates - who rather than consult, only display defensive belligerence whenever they're questioned.
Reading between the lines, the original scale model - depicted a single tier seating deck at the River End, re-sited to sit closer to the outfield than currently, thus creating more space for the apartment block wall that will be a feature(less) accompaniment to Division Two batting collapses of the future.
If and when this ever becomes public, perhaps the Club should start thinking about aspects such as how the acoustics, shadowing (from the blocks) and parking management, along with rather more serious aspects such as flood risk and massing.
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Flooding might not be so bad.
Grayson & his cronies could get washed away.
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Morning
To confirm there will be consultation with Members and other interested parties
We will be sharing plans, gathering feedback etc. As soon as a set schedule is known for this we will advise. Building work for phase a is progressing well. This ground development gives us the opportunity to create facilities for all to enjoy and to generate additional income to invest back into the playing side
Thanks Danny
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Danny, much as I appreciate you are toeing the party line here mate, you can't continue to give soundbites like the above without actually showing everyone what is happening. By continuing to keep information in-house, the club is allowing the formation of numerous conspiracy theories.
If the development has been a great big cock up, surely you'd be better off telling the members and getting it in the open than allowing the problem to fester.
If there are going to be real success stories, then lets see the good news.
Best regards as always
Andy
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If the development has been a great big cock up
If?
Even Kent have managed to redevelop part of their ground & they nearly bankrupted themselves hosting a Sugababes concert.
Mind you 10 years to achieve diddly squat sounds about right for this club.
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Morning
To confirm there will be consultation with Members and other interested parties
We will be sharing plans, gathering feedback etc. As soon as a set schedule is known for this we will advise. Building work for phase a is progressing well. This ground development gives us the opportunity to create facilities for all to enjoy and to generate additional income to invest back into the playing side
Thanks Danny
Danny, thank you for your response. I am concerned that (currently) there is no schedule to consult with members. Without a plan, nothing will happen. This member is left with the feeling that consultation will be put off until all the club/MCD are committed to a particular design and our input will only influence the colour of the walls in the gents' toilets.
No doubt the development will be "iconic" but will it enhance members' cricketing viewing experience if we lose many of the seats from the River End?
I'm afraid that we, mere members, are in the dark.
Ian
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If the development has been a great big cock up
Even Kent have managed to redevelop part of their ground & they nearly bankrupted themselves hosting a Sugababes concert.
Mmmm, the Sugarbabes. :-* :-* :-*
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Sorry, Danny, I’m with Blocky, IanS & Mog. Surely, given that people are working on site someone MUST have an idea of what is going to happen when. Sadly, from what you post, it doesn’t sound as though they do.
Mog obviously has considerable experience of this sort of development and, given the paucity of information coming from either the developers ...... are they still the same people ....... or the club I have to say that I consider his concerns to be sensible.
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I agree.
All we've had has been literature trying to sell us the apartments off plan and that is some time ago now. Plans must be fairly well advanced if building has begun - oh no, wait no, this is Essex we're talking about. ::)
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Reviewed the ground development model last year, a raised concerns regards TP stand, only to be told it had no real relevance on the future plan has it could all but change.
Wondered why I bothered to be honest .
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http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-november-25th/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-november-25th/)
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http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-november-25th/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-november-25th/)
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Due to limited space ????
What is that all about ????
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http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-november-25th/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-november-25th/)
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Due to limited space ????
What is that all about ????
Big model of site in the room?
Packed with “suits” explaining things?
Large Table with free drinks?
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http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-november-25th/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-november-25th/)
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Due to limited space ????
What is that all about ????
Big model of site in the room?
Packed with “suits” explaining things?
Large Table with free drinks?
Well, reading between the usual telegraphed lines of the Club; Limited space equates to "we want as few people there asking awkward questions as possible" - making the CEO have to gen up on a training jolly with the alleged 'developers' and justify the supposed reason for his appointment and number one priority of his role.
Note the day of the week and time of the year too! Another old tactic from those forward thinking innovators at ECCC!
Be warned the whole exercise will be well defended by glossy marketing speak, obfuscating in an attempt to answer as few pertinent questions as humanly possible and blame everyone but their own incompetence for the fact that this redevelopment has been around, as long as Grayson's tenure as head coach but has achieved even less.
Seriously although I am debarred as I'm not a member, if anyone who is thinking of attending this event would like to pick my brains over sports ground redevelopment then feel free to message me on here.
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Disgraceful.
Date and time chosen to be as unfriendly as possible to the maximum number of members.
We should all be sent a detailed REPORT on what is going on. A consultation should involve all members not just those who are free to get there on a Monday evening in November.
With the need to e-mail and bring membership anyone would be thinking this is a meeting of MI5.
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Evening,
We have scheduled the meeting at the start of the week as we feel more people will be able to attend before the Christmas celebrations and parties etc.
WE do want Members to attend and to share their questions, queries or comments. We are asking people to confirm their attendance so we can ensure we know numbers and can better plan room layout.
Thanks, Danny
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If the maximum coverage of membership is the aim then why not all day on a Saturday or Sunday?
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Exactly bobw - this is something Danny has promised in the past and never delivered.
It's a really important topic and a Monday evening on a dark winter's evening is not the right time ...
I just don't believe they REALLY want people to attend at all.
Members deserve a detailed mailing about what is going on - no more excuses!
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Exactly bobw - this is something Danny has promised in the past and never delivered.
A bit harsh to blame Danny; you try getting these people to give up a Saturday or Sunday.
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What I would suggest the Club and its development partner should be looking to instigate is a county wide County Ground Redevelopment roadshow, with events staged in the traditional (albeit sadly now largely former festival venues); Southend, Ilford, Colchester as well as Chelmsford.
The budget and contingency for this flat lining project should have a contingency budget built into it....although of course this is ECCC here!
Under the Peter Edwards regime, I believe any such high profile project such as this proposal - because that's all the 'redevelopment' actually is right now - fundamental to the Club and its future, would have followed this path. By doing so it would show some engagement with members and be prepared to take it to their locality. It would further be an implicit admission that actually by never bothering to engage in the first place the Club clearly misjudged the project and now they finally (belatedly) want to consult, they have to be inclusive and just a little bit contrite. How difficult is it? Really?
Unfortunately, the message coming out loud and clear currently is, "we are begrudgingly prepared to suffer so-called supporters who have the audacity to question us and ask difficult questions, so therefore, we'll throw you this 'concession' but it will all be on our terms and conditions".
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Mog, I will ask for a place so feel free to drop me a list of things you want asked at the event. It is unlikely that i will be kept quiet
;D
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Heresey, I know, but were things much different under the Edwards regime? I mean, the cricketing world (nationally and internationally) was arguably much less hostile to 'smaller' clubs like ECCC (by which I mean non-test hosting) with no IPL/BBL competition for domestic & international pros who weren't on lucrative central contracts.
There is a need for informed dialogue, and certain arguments on here suggest not all understand the realpolitik of 21st century cricket - particularly the implications for County Cricket as a 'brand' in itself. The club is rather stuck in a situation whereby it loses out to the 'big boys' - although I acknowledge that recurring mistakes are made (cronyism in particular) which prevents us from becoming another Sussex, for example.
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Andy at the risk of being repetitive I'll share an anecdote concerning Mr Edwards. My wife bought me a birthday present in 1996 - a day in the Yorkshire committee room for a day of Yorks v Essex. We lived in Pudsey at the time. Laurence Byford was the Yorks president then and Mr and Mrs Edwards were also there. Yorkshire were in the throes of withdrawing from many of their festival grounds (Harrogate, Bradford etc) and they were discussing why this was happening. Mr Edwards commented on Valentines Park. It was something along the lines of "Terrible ground, inadequate facilities but our members like going there so that's why we continue to use it". I take your point about times changing but I do think the Peter Edwards regime did take into account member's views.
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Thanks for sharing slogger. Not wishing to denigrate the Edwards (and Malcolm Field) legacy, of course.
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Andy thanks - and as we commented on the "debt" thread the other day it's the Edwards/Field legacy of financial reserves that has kept the club out of debt for all these years. My fear is that the ground re-development project will lead us into debt. And that's the question I'd really like answered - what's the risk to our long term financial stability?
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My main memory of Peter Edwards is being told with my mates, over the tannoy, to clear off the outfield at the end of a JPL match!
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My main memory of Peter Edwards is being told with my mates, over the tannoy, to clear off the outfield at the end of a JPL match!
Ahh, so that was you? They never minded when we won trophies, then flooded onto the pitch for the award ceremony. Remember that, winning real trophies??
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Slogger and Andy;
My recollection of how Peter Edwards made sure that ECCC served its members, involved the distribution of tickets when the Club reached Lords' Finals. One example was when Essex reached Cup Finals in three consecutive seasons; '96. '97. '98. Each of the festival venues received an allocation of tickets. Being local to Southend, this meant the Southchurch Park pavilion on a Sunday morning. Peter Edwards himself arrived at the exact advertised start of ticket sale time with the tickets and cash box. It helped he only lived around five minutes away, but that's what he thought of members and how they WERE important in his eyes.
Sadly, since David East took over we've seen; two out of three festival grounds discontinued and a general attitude of 'like it or lump it' to key issues where members interests are and continue to be disregarded. Let's not forget the 'redevelopment' was the vanity project instigated by DE himself as some kind of lasting legacy.....Rather apt then, that not a foundation has been laid or apparently even a plan in place for the spectator aspect of it!
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Mog, I will ask for a place so feel free to drop me a list of things you want asked at the event. It is unlikely that i will be kept quiet
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Happy to :D. However, I think one fundamental the Club need to publicise prior to this 'consultation' is what plans are in place? Is it a completely new blank canvas or merely some tweaks to the designs (not that anyone outside of the ECCC Politburo was privileged to view them) of 2007/08 vintage?
Perhaps someone at the Club can divulge, as it is rather important and would help to form a basis for discussion.
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Mog I recall the festival ground ticket sales too. A bit different to what happened in the T20 a few years back when just about anyone could get loads of tickets apart from hardcore members supporting the team at Bristol. That would never have happened in Mr Edwards' day!
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I will not be able to attend the meeting.
What I would expect at the meeting is a scale model on display of what the development will look like and the opportunity for photographs to be taken for those of us who cannot attend.
If not, there is definitely something to hide. Although hiding a re developed ground is impossible, I bet that the lack of information is to get membership renewals. If the truth was out there, we would lose possibly 40 to 50% of the membership.
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The development was discussed at the Forum this evening. I have to say I wasn't entirely happy with the way things went, although I'm no expert in these things and would appreciate a face-to-face (or at least a 'phone chat with someone who is).
My understanding from this evening is that, while the plans are decided upon and agreed, there is still discussion with contractors concerning the building of blocks 2 and 3, and the pavilion. The idea seems to be that once blocks 2 & 3 are done there will be enough money to redevelop the pavilion area. After that block 4, will be developed.
Questions were asked but there didn't seem anyone, including me, with enough appropriate expertise to follow them through.
I'd thought that everything, contract-wise, was done and dusted, but apparently it isn't.
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The development was discussed at the Forum this evening. I have to say I wasn't entirely happy with the way things went, although I'm no expert in these things and would appreciate a face-to-face (or at least a 'phone chat with someone who is).
My understanding from this evening is that, while the plans are decided upon and agreed, there is still discussion with contractors concerning the building of blocks 2 and 3, and the pavilion. The idea seems to be that once blocks 2 & 3 are done there will be enough money to redevelop the pavilion area. After that block 4, will be developed.
Questions were asked but there didn't seem anyone, including me, with enough appropriate expertise to follow them through.
I'd thought that everything, contract-wise, was done and dusted, but apparently it isn't.
Thanks for the update. Not that surprising...I'd expect the contract has been drawn up to balance the risk for both sides, the developer and the club. If blocks 1-3 are successful then the club gets a sparkly new pavillon. If block 4 is successful then the club get the remainder of the ground improvements - whatever they are!
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I have done a search and the apartments, 300 of them are being advertised with a number of estate agents. There is an artist impression of what they will look like when they are finished.
They are competing with the new apartments at the old Marconi site, which have at least been built.
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The development was discussed at the Forum this evening. I have to say I wasn't entirely happy with the way things went, although I'm no expert in these things and would appreciate a face-to-face (or at least a 'phone chat with someone who is).
My understanding from this evening is that, while the plans are decided upon and agreed, there is still discussion with contractors concerning the building of blocks 2 and 3, and the pavilion. The idea seems to be that once blocks 2 & 3 are done there will be enough money to redevelop the pavilion area. After that block 4, will be developed.
Questions were asked but there didn't seem anyone, including me, with enough appropriate expertise to follow them through.
I'd thought that everything, contract-wise, was done and dusted, but apparently it isn't.
i'm no expert either, but from what you are saying, we've given the developer a lump oof our ground and they are going to build a couple of blocks of flats. If the flats don't sell, the developer walks away? and we have two blocks of flats and the same shitty ground?
If they sell and the third block sells, then we get a pavillion, and then if they build a 4th block, they build the rest?
that is a f***ing terrible deal. what happens if the developer goes pop before the 3rd block gets built.finished?
I strongly suggest that somebody has a chat with Mog, who seems to have a very good understanding of the construction industry.
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TBH Blocky, I'm pretty sure it's not as bad as that. I think it's the hard-hats who are laying bricks who are the issue. As I said, it's not my scene, but I gather that while firm A will do the work on the first part, film B on the second and C on the third.A, B, and C may or may not be the same form.
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To be clear, I'm an architect, but I am familiar with deals such as the one ECCC appear to have got into.
It's too complicated to go into here, but my understanding is that the Club sold their land; the Club car park to the developers who then use that to build 'apartment' block(s). This project is now so old it predates the 2008 economic crisis, but that's another story.
The development has (I believe) been scaled back, so that now one block is built in isolation, if that sells, they gauge interest in the construction of the second and third - if they attract sufficient interest/demand they are constructed.
ECCC and their original announcement back in '07/'08 was based upon their assumption that the whole residential development would be built. Then, they could redevelop the ground, around 50% of as far as I can ascertain, but that was based upon the 'best' outcome. I should add that MCD, their property development partners, worked with Warwickshire at Edgbaston. A development that has actually been delivered.
In the meantime, the Club had their development called in by the DoE due to massing - i.e. overdevelopment on a constrained site as well as the issues of flooding.
Throughout the whole episode the Club in their usual non-collaborative way, failed to issue and to my knowledge, have only issued one dimensional overview drawings, that provide very little of the design and a sense of how it will work and enhance. For example, it is alleged by several on here that the River End replacement stand is actually a single tier structure to allow more space for the 'fourth' apartment block. The Club have since provided no real updates and refuse to issue any artists impression of the redevelopment.
My fundamental question, one I can only humbly refer you to earlier on this very thread, asks the Club to communicate the scope for consultation. If the plans have already been agreed and signed off, pending Blocks two, three and four of course, then what excatly are they consulting members about? It's time for Essex County Cricket Club to be honest and open!
I would suggest the Club have made one almighty mess of this project, through outside conditions, as identified above, but also because this is generally the modus operandi ECCC have practiced since circa 2000!
If I were advising them on this, I would strongly suggest they (ECCC and their stakeholders) issue a statement, very soon, in advance of the 'consultation' meeting date. In that statement they should be identifying where this project currently sits. What has been agreed. A set of accurate design drawings...not an opaque view from 2007. Then, set out the terms of the consultation. For once can we actually have some honesty!? People can then form their own opinions. Otherwise, I would recommend it would be a waste of any members' time to go to this 'consultation'.
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On their Twitter feed, ECCC have announced the changing of the date of the previously announced "consultation" meeting on the ground development: it's now to be held on 28th January 2015 (still on a weekday evening).
http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-january-28/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/11/03/members-consultation-event-january-28/)
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Mog rightly wonders what the scope for consultation is if the scheme is not in any sense within the remit of members to alter. In one fundamental sense I think he's right: the club rules don't require the committee to put this kind of project to a vote. This is in contrast, for example, to Kent, where their rules did require members to vote on the initial stage of their plan which involved selling some land for housing and thence funding for the next stage (which still hasn't happened). If we had similar rules we would have had a vote on whether to grant long leases over the apartment block sites, which I presume have already been granted at least on the old car park area, and possibly over the other sites as well via some kind of option deal.
As things stand, I fear all we will be asked about is what kind of spectator accommodation and facilities we would like in the new pavilion area, should the finances of the scheme ever allow it to be built. But as others have observed, that is a big "if". When we first saw this scheme back in the day, the assumption was that it would all go ahead and at the other end out would pop a shiny new pavilion and other facilities. Clearly what we now have is something much less certain and we could easily end up-if there's another economic downturn-with one or two apartment blocks, no new facilities and incidentally (sorry to raise this again) almost no parking spaces.
I couldn't go to last night's forum but I did ask a question on those lines several years ago and got a "of course that wouldn't happen" type of answer. Nobody has explained what would prevent it happening however, and if it did I believe we would have written off at least half a million quid. That would buy you several decent players.
The other issue is that nobody has explained the business case for the whole thing in the current piecemeal scenario. If we never get the pavilion element, where is the enhanced banqueting and conference space which was supposed to be the point of the exercise?
I doubt if anyone in the club will be able to deal with this kind of question at the consultation evening, so if not there, where, and when? How about an EGM??
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This development is something that required a EGM. Years ago I was Secretary of a club (non sport) with around 80-100 members and we were approached by another organisation with a business venture. This was put to a EGM and the other organisation attended to answer questions and at the end of the evening we had a vote.
There is always an EGM to discuss whether this development will bring the whole club crashing down and must be stopped.
Would it be cheaper to pay the developers off and forget about the whole thing?
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To be fair, a significant of work has already been done, with the concurrent disruption, both to our club and to our neighbours.
It's a pity the meeting has been delayed, but unless there's something which wasn't reported last night, I can see no great harm in waiting until then, although if those with more experience of these things than myself can debate and advise in the interim that would wold be most helpful.
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To be fair, a significant of work has already been done, with the concurrent disruption, both to our club and to our neighbours.
It's a pity the meeting has been delayed, but unless there's something which wasn't reported last night, I can see no great harm in waiting until then, although if those with more experience of these things than myself can debate and advise in the interim that would wold be most helpful.
Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting some kind of revolution to overthrow the scheme, which would clearly be mad now that work has started. But I do think the fundamentals of what may happen need to be explained afresh, and also how the club is protected, if it is, against the whole thing turning sour.
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Totally agree. They really do need to stand up and explain what is going on, and soon.
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Why change the habit of several lifetimes?
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Thanks guys on views and comments regards development has non attendee. One wonders if the ground in future will be fit for purpose, and perhaps relocation would be the final solution .
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Thanks guys on views and comments regards development has non attendee. One wonders if the ground in future will be fit for purpose, and perhaps relocation would be the final solution .
Might as well relocate ... the size of the playing area will be a joke. No wonder PG doesn't think spinners have a big role to play at ECCC.
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Thanks guys on views and comments regards development has non attendee. One wonders if the ground in future will be fit for purpose, and perhaps relocation would be the final solution .
If someone who can ask the right questions with an air of authority could go to the January meeting it would be a Good Thing! I must say I thought that having an adequate playing area was always part of the contract spec. I’ve always been disappointed that there was going to be no more room for spectators, apart from from the windows of the flats! Which will be, apart from the price of the flat, free! And one’s got to have somerwhere to live!
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The new date is no better really is it ::)
I expect some details about what is going on in the November members mailing.
We've heard nothing since we were e-mailed an 'opportunity to purchase' a flat some years back ...
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I vaguely recollect a communication which said that the cricket committee were content with the reduction in size of the playing area. Personally I think the proposal of ten or so years ago to move to Springfield with a new station on the railway was the best way forward but I think that died when planning permission for floodlights was given. I think there was an associated undertaking that the ground had to be used for cricket going forward, which of course prevents the club selling up and moving.
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The following is posted on the Essex CC Facebook page.
WATCH | Keep an eye out for a big interview with Chief Executive Derek Bowden next week on Essex TV. Derek will cover the 2014 season, an update on the Ground Development, and aspirations for 2015
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I vaguely recollect a communication which said that the cricket committee were content with the reduction in size of the playing area. Personally I think the proposal of ten or so years ago to move to Springfield with a new station on the railway was the best way forward but I think that died when planning permission for floodlights was given. I think there was an associated undertaking that the ground had to be used for cricket going forward, which of course prevents the club selling up and moving.
I dimly remember hearing on BBC Essex, when Chelmsford City were planning to move, that the land off New Writtle Street had to be used for sports/leisure purposes. I assumed that a developed would take it and stick in a small snooker club whilst turning the rest into flats...
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I vaguely recollect a communication which said that the cricket committee were content with the reduction in size of the playing area. Personally I think the proposal of ten or so years ago to move to Springfield with a new station on the railway was the best way forward but I think that died when planning permission for floodlights was given. I think there was an associated undertaking that the ground had to be used for cricket going forward, which of course prevents the club selling up and moving.
I dimly remember hearing on BBC Essex, when Chelmsford City were planning to move, that the land off New Writtle Street had to be used for sports/leisure purposes. I assumed that a developed would take it and stick in a small snooker club whilst turning the rest into flats...
Cynical, Andy, cynical.
Not an unreasonable supposition, though, IMHO!
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The following is posted on the Essex CC Facebook page.
WATCH | Keep an eye out for a big interview with Chief Executive Derek Bowden next week on Essex TV. Derek will cover the 2014 season, an update on the Ground Development, and aspirations for 2015
Yes, I've just visited the ECCC website to find no sight of the promised BIG interview with the CEO. *Note to the Club, if you signpost a feature, on social media or anywhere else and state it will be in a time specific slot, i.e. "next week", it may prove efficacious to actually provide that content within that period.
Maybe DB is too busy studying the latest designs for the pavilion that was cited as the excuse reason for the postponement of the Members 'Consultation', two days after it was advertised last week, following its widespread derision on this very message board. The Club continue to do themselves no favours in terms of credibility!
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...I can see a great PR opportunity for the younger Eagles here: 're-design the County Ground and first prize is you'll get to see your design realised, erm, sometime this decade' a la Blue Peter.
Runner up prize is a night out in Chelmsford with Larry and the coaching team.
Third prize, two nights out in Chelmsford with Larry and the coaching team.
I can see certain members of this BB getting their crayons out as I post this. Just as soon as they've located their lost dummies.
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...I can see a great PR opportunity for the younger Eagles here: 're-design the County Ground and first prize is you'll get to see your design realised, erm, sometime this decade' a la Blue Peter.
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"Here's one I made earlier..."
I can just see papier-mâché and sticky-tape models of the County Ground being made by kids all around the country, à la Tracy Island from a good few years back. Essex could start something here.
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...I can see a great PR opportunity for the younger Eagles here: 're-design the County Ground and first prize is you'll get to see your design realised, erm, sometime this decade' a la Blue Peter.
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"Here's one I made earlier..."
I can just see papier-mâché and sticky-tape models of the County Ground being made by kids all around the country, à la Tracy Island from a good few years back. Essex could start something here.
Ahh, but the Tracy family had Brains.
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I can see certain members of this BB getting their crayons out as I post this. Just as soon as they've located their lost dummies.
So these sort of digs are ok? I just want to understand the 'rules' here.
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I can see certain members of this BB getting their crayons out as I post this. Just as soon as they've located their lost dummies.
So these sort of digs are ok? I just want to understand the 'rules' here.
If they are:
A. Humorous (relatively)
B. Not repeating the same point endlessly
C. Not meant in a nasty way
D. Not necessarily pointing at a specific person
Then there's not a problem.
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I can see certain members of this BB getting their crayons out as I post this. Just as soon as they've located their lost dummies.
So these sort of digs are ok? I just want to understand the 'rules' here.
If they are:
A. Humorous (relatively)
B. Not repeating the same point endlessly
C. Not meant in a nasty way
D. Not necessarily pointing at a specific person
Then there's not a problem.
Nicely put. Thank you.
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I can see certain members of this BB getting their crayons out as I post this. Just as soon as they've located their lost dummies.
So these sort of digs are ok? I just want to understand the 'rules' here.
If they are:
A. Humorous (relatively)
B. Not repeating the same point endlessly
C. Not meant in a nasty way
D. Not necessarily pointing at a specific person
Then there's not a problem.
Nicely put. Thank you.
How can you tell on a forum which way a post is meant?
And as for humerous, Andy your posts have never come anywhere near!
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Quit whining.
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Quit whining.
Proves my point.
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We were both reprimanded.
Suck it up.
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We were both reprimanded.
Suck it up.
Why are you getting involved again in a conversation that doesn't concern you, and is clearly going above your head?
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Looks like there's going to be some more censorship for you to moan about soon.
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The last few posts have shown exactly where the problem lies. Thanks for that.
You can have the last word (again).
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One of the many reasons I never became a teacher was that I simply don't have the patience to deal with stroppy teenagers who can even start an argument about whose fault it is that they've been told off.
For goodness' sake, the two of you, stop it. Without any further attempts at self-justification.
And can we get this thread back on topic please? Otherwise it will have to be closed.
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One of the many reasons I never became a teacher was that I simply don't have the patience to deal with stroppy teenagers who can even start an argument about whose fault it is that they've been told off.
For goodness' sake, the two of you, stop it. Without any further attempts at self-justification.
And can we get this thread back on topic please? Otherwise it will have to be closed.
Sorry Sir.
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And as for humerous (sic), Andy your posts have never come anywhere near!
Humour, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder and I know whose posts I enjoy reading more !
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And as for humerous (sic), Andy your posts have never come anywhere near!
Humour, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder and I know whose posts I enjoy reading more !
Just to clarify; the above post, spelling mistake excepted, was tongue in cheek to show that it is virtually impossible to tell the way that a written post should be taken!! I'm guessing that it worked.
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And as for humerous (sic), Andy your posts have never come anywhere near!
Humour, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder and I know whose posts I enjoy reading more !
Just to clarify; the above post, spelling mistake excepted, was tongue in cheek to show that it is virtually impossible to tell the way that a written post should be taken!! I'm guessing that it worked.
I think that if you read your sentence back again, it doesn't read as tongue in cheek - perhaps an emoticon might have helped. Given the context of the sentence in the angst in this thread, not a particularly thought through comment. ::)
Can we lock this thread - giving the last word to the mods.
P.S. Thanks again, Mick.
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I've been hoping to keep this thread open, as it's an important and valuable discussion. But in the light of the seemingly desperate need by one particular forum member always to have the last word, despite repeated requests to desist and get back on topic, I'm afraid this thread will have to be locked.
Apologies to those who have contributed in a constructive way. Please feel free to start a new thread on the ground development.