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Cricket => England ODI => Topic started by: bwildered on February 04, 2026, 12:50:08 PM
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About to start in the sub continent.
Still wondering how Overton makes the England squad.
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About to start in the sub continent.
Still wondering how Overton makes the England squad.
The team for the Nepal game has been announced and fortunately Overton is left out:
Buttler, Salt, Bethell, Banton, Brook, Curran, Jacks, Dawson, Archer, Rashid, Luke Wood
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Fantastic performance from Nepal, taking it to the last ball and just losing out against England. An excellent last over from Sam Curran as England just held on to win by 4 runs. I wouldn't be surprised if Nepal qualify from the group- they've beaten the West Indies several times and will be favourites against Italy and Scotland.
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If England gave a toss about developing the world game they'd go there and play a few games. They won't because there's no money in it.
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If England gave a toss about developing the world game they'd go there and play a few games. They won't because there's no money in it.
There'd be one heck of an atmosphere if they did play in Nepal. A game at Lord's should be the absolute minimum though.
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There certainly will be a lack of atmosphere at 12000 feet.
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There certainly will be a lack of atmosphere at 12000 feet.
The ball will travel faster through the rarified air.
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The end of the SA v Afghan game highlighted some rules which just need to be remembered.
Super over tied, results in another super nova over second over .
Only two wickets taken ends innings in super over.
Any bat out in the super over cannot bat again super nova over .
Bowler in super over cannot bowl again in super nova over.
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WIndies got alright this time, in batting and bowling.
And England, wonder why they dropped Livingstone, at least he got with the bat what he conceded with the ball, unlike Overton and Jacks.
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Well we have battle of the bridge at a local level, so let the battle of the wall commence.
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Well we have battle of the bridge at a local level, so let the battle of the wall commence.
I do like the statistic that England have never beaten another European side at the T20 World Cup. They *should* beat Scotland today, but a batting collapse is never far away.
Lose this one and Baz is definitely gone.
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Well we have battle of the bridge at a local level, so let the battle of the wall commence.
I do like the statistic that England have never beaten another European side at the T20 World Cup. They *should* beat Scotland today, but a batting collapse is never far away.
Lose this one and Baz is definitely gone.
Did their best to get into trouble several times but got over the line eventually.
Wonder if we are seeing the end of Buttler has a white ball force . Jacks scored more than he conceded only because he did not bowl.
The mighty Italians who beat Nepal convincingly, next up.
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The traffic lights gone red, the coach has Buttler and Brooks written on the side, Michael Caine tells them they only need to blow the bails off and the BMW minis are out running. Italian Job time .
Decent performances required from everyone now, only Curran has shown any form or consistency.
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And England will have someone directing things, from a Prison cell.
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Well played Italy. They ran England close. Sadly what would have been the funniest defeat in cricket history was not to be.
Can England up their game for the Super 8s where they will play New Zealand, Pakistan and Sri Lanka (probably)?
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In a self preservation society, England won to qualify to the super eights. But Mr Bridger was not too happy.
Much to do with the bat, and need to do what Benny Hill wanted from some innings !
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Well played Italy. They ran England close. Sadly what would have been the funniest defeat in cricket history was not to be.
They didn't "run England close" - a 24 run defeat in T20 is a clear defeat, probably a bit like going down by 60 runs in a 50 over game.
Running a team close in T20 is taking it to the last few deliveries, not needing 25 off the last over with 9 and 10 batting.
They lost three wickets in the powerplay, which usually kills teams chasing 200+ and so it proved, with wickets falling regularly when they tried to chase it down. They were doomed from a long way out.
All that has happened with these minnow teams is that they have got physically strong players who have grown up on a diet almost exclusively of T10 and T20 cricket and they have learnt to open up their stance and hit 6s from ball 1 without fear of getting out.
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Well played Italy. They ran England close. Sadly what would have been the funniest defeat in cricket history was not to be.
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All that has happened with these minnow teams is that they have got physically strong players who have grown up on a diet almost exclusively of T10 and T20 cricket and they have learnt to open up their stance and hit 6s from ball 1 without fear of getting out.
So it's not proper cricket then is it?
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So it's not proper cricket then is it?
A question that really deserves to be addressed over a few hours in the pub, I think!
It's not first-class cricket.
But then looking at cricket's history, were the single-wicket type games than enjoyed huge popularity for a long time - probably around a century - from the mid-1700s to the mid-1800s, "proper cricket"?
These pre-dated the "modern" form of the codified 11-a-side game so I am sure in their time they were considered "proper" though I doubt such a question ever really arose.
As for the T20 debate, that's a whole big topic in itself.
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They didn't "run England close" - a 24 run defeat in T20 is a clear defeat, probably a bit like going down by 60 runs in a 50 over game.
Running a team close in T20 is taking it to the last few deliveries, not needing 25 off the last over with 9 and 10 batting.
They lost three wickets in the powerplay, which usually kills teams chasing 200+ and so it proved, with wickets falling regularly when they tried to chase it down. They were doomed from a long way out.
All that has happened with these minnow teams is that they have got physically strong players who have grown up on a diet almost exclusively of T10 and T20 cricket and they have learnt to open up their stance and hit 6s from ball 1 without fear of getting out.
In the end it doesn't look close for a T20 game, but there were times during the chase that it definitely felt a lot closer.
Nepal on the other hand definitely did run England close.
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Agree, some results on paper do not reflect how tight some games are. England were better in the last five overs in batting and bowling which was the difference.
Cricket is always evolving and will continue to from the times when it was played on village greens and stately home grounds many moons ago and what a standard game then is completely changed now.
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A single wicket competition amongst all-rounders, appears to have died out now. Even as part of a benefit or testimonial programme.
There was one in Hong Kong covered by ITV. Frances Edmonds, who was the presenter. Informed the viewers that Imran Khan, could not be asked to turn up. To defend the title he won the previous years. Therefore, her husband, who was accompanying her, had to play.
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In the end it doesn't look close for a T20 game, but there were times during the chase that it definitely felt a lot closer.
One thing I have learnt from watching a lot of Blast cricket is that what as you rightly say "feels close" during a chase actually isn't.
Basically when trying to chase down 200+ once you start getting up to 10 an over plus with wickets down, it's very difficult to sustain the run rate over several overs. Risks have to be taken and almost invariably wickets fall, especially when you are already down to lower order players who have just come in.
It seems strange to say, because England were 105-5 off 12.4 overs and Italy were 114-4 off 12 overs, but for some reason there is something much more difficult about chasing with wickets down than setting a good target with wickets down.
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A single wicket competition amongst all-rounders, appears to have died out now. Even as part of a benefit or testimonial programme.
There was one in Hong Kong covered by ITV. Frances Edmonds, who was the presenter. Informed the viewers that Imran Khan, could not be asked to turn up. To defend the title he won the previous years. Therefore, her husband, who was accompanying her, had to play.
To be fair Frances Edmond?s was a fearsome woman with an acid tongue. Her comments about Gooch were hilarious.
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With the competition in Hong Kong. The fielders were from club sides. Clive Rice, who also took part. Suggested that they needed some coaching, as the standard was not very high.
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In the end it doesn't look close for a T20 game, but there were times during the chase that it definitely felt a lot closer.
One thing I have learnt from watching a lot of Blast cricket is that what as you rightly say "feels close" during a chase actually isn't.
Basically when trying to chase down 200+ once you start getting up to 10 an over plus with wickets down, it's very difficult to sustain the run rate over several overs. Risks have to be taken and almost invariably wickets fall, especially when you are already down to lower order players who have just come in.
It seems strange to say, because England were 105-5 off 12.4 overs and Italy were 114-4 off 12 overs, but for some reason there is something much more difficult about chasing with wickets down than setting a good target with wickets down.
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After 18 overs England were 174-6 and Italy 173-7. Italy needed 31 from the last 2 overs having just smacked the 2 previous overs for 34, including 5 sixes. It was certainly on for them at that stage, although you 'd hope England should be able to close it out. The last 2 overs only went for 5, which was the reason the match looked a lot more comfortable for England than it was in reality.
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Interesting article regards the demise of the Aussie in T20 cricket, having now failed to reach the semi final stages three competitions in a row. Lack of preparation with the Big Bash having preferred treatment and concentration on red ball Ashes . So the T20 became somewhat an afterthought.
The adjustment in the condition of wickets in India and Sri Lanka also is taken into account, with power hitting better on Indian wickets with Sri Lanka requiring more supple requirements.
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I don't pretend to have much knowledge of T20 but I got the sense from what I saw on TV that the Big Bash wasn't a terrfically high standard. The South African tournament seemed a bit better, with more overseas stars. Presumably that's the impact of Indian owners? I wonder if England are going much further.
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Interesting article regards the demise of the Aussie in T20 cricket, having now failed to reach the semi final stages three competitions in a row. Lack of preparation with the Big Bash having preferred treatment and concentration on red ball Ashes . So the T20 became somewhat an afterthought.
The adjustment in the condition of wickets in India and Sri Lanka also is taken into account, with power hitting better on Indian wickets with Sri Lanka requiring more supple requirements.
Or maybe things just didn't quite go their way on those occasions?
T20 is a very volatile format and I don't think too deep analysis tends to age well.
You only have to look at the T20 Blast and how sides' fortunes can fluctuate dramatically from one year to the next, compared with the relative stability of the County Championship.
Look at Hampshire, who won it in 2022 and got to the quarters in 2023 only to have an inexplicable horror show in 2024 but then got back to the final in 2025.
Or Gloucestershire who came from nowhere to win in 2024 but collapsed to being nobodies again in 2025.
So Australia could very well rock up and win the next one.
That's not saying skill doesn't win T20 games, it does, but there's a lot of luck, or shall we say how it goes on the day, masquerading as skill.
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The length of a T20 or T10 game. Always, with the right circumstances, gives the chance of an upset. Compare it with the number in 50 and 60 over Internationals.
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T20 is a very volatile format and I don't think too deep analysis tends to age well
I agree with that and it means the saturation over-analysis is hard to take seriously. Nevertheless one thing that HAS been consistent in this tournament so far is England's top order underperforming, and that's happening again as we speak.
I watched the SL v Aus game the other day and was struck that the SL batsmen, playing in familiar home conditions, were hitting in the air a lot less than I've seen from other teams. Must be a lesson in that.
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the SL batsmen, playing in familiar home conditions, were hitting in the air a lot less than I've seen from other teams
LOL. As noted, analysis doesn't age well in this format.
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the SL batsmen, playing in familiar home conditions, were hitting in the air a lot less than I've seen from other teams
LOL. As noted, analysis doesn't age well in this format.
At 21/3 it certainly doesn't! Sri Lanka can't blow this surely? The much maligned Will Jacks was on a hat trick.
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Must admit I gave a disbelieving groan when they handed Jacks the new ball, and yet...
And he's taken another one as I type! SL 34-5. Well I never.
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What an astonishing win. I didn't give England a chance after their innings. Cricket never loses its ability to surprise.
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Fix?
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Seemed like a village green game, more of the standard I am use to.
England not going to get away with a performance like that and come away with a win again. Remarkable with a fifty run win .
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WIndies starting to look the team to avoid. Totally blew Zimbabwe away, who dropped early catches which also led to their own demise.
England now need to put it all together.
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Captains knock by Brook, Jacks and Overton making an impact, just needs the openers to contribute.
Ground fielding was a tad sloppy, but catches and running between wickets, very good .
Already in the semis with a game to spare .
The PA announcer must have gone AWOL, which was a blessing from the continuing shouting.
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Magnificent innings from Brook. He's terrific to watch when in this form. It almost makes it possible to forget earlier aberrations.
So England are through to the semi finals and Baz is probably safe now. India or South Africa would be very tough in the semi finals, as would the West Indies. But that's the kind of game in which Jos Buttler could finally find some form. He will need to.
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WIndies starting to look the team to avoid. Totally blew Zimbabwe away, who dropped early catches which also led to their own demise.
England now need to put it all together.
Now they have been blown away.
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It's looking like an India vs England semi final, with South Africa vs New Zealand in the other semi.
I don't see England getting past India, but then the semi final is further than I thought they get.
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It's looking like an India vs England semi final, with South Africa vs New Zealand in the other semi.
I don't see England getting past India, but then the semi final is further than I thought they get.
I'd say England v New Zealand is a pretty hard match to call so who we'd play out of probably, South Africa and India is very much up in the air. We'd be second favourites against either.
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Sri Lanka wickets much more to our liking, moving to India games will be flat track power hitting showdowns.
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I'd say England v New Zealand is a pretty hard match to call so who we'd play out of probably, South Africa and India is very much up in the air. We'd be second favourites against either.
Absolutely. For England to beat either SA or India they'd need everything to go right- and pretty much everything to go wrong for the opposition. But then it's T20, so it could happen.
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Wow. I didn't see that win coming when England were 2/2, but well done to Jacks (yet again) and Ahmed for getting England home.
So unless West Indies do the unexpected, it'll be a semi-final with India at the Wankhede on Thursday.
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Another dodgy start. But the middle order kept their composure and left enough wickets to have a slap.
Semi was the par place for Baz to keep the doubters at bay.
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WIndies powerhouse lose to the joint hosts in a quarterfinal eliminator.
So down to the last four . A India v South Africa final the favourite bet, but a well timed innings or a great piece of fielding or bowling can be all the difference in winning and losing in tight matches.
Time for Bazball to come up with the goods.
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WIndies powerhouse lose to the joint hosts in a quarterfinal eliminator.
So down to the last four . A India v South Africa final the favourite bet, but a well timed innings or a great piece of fielding or bowling can be all the difference in winning and losing in tight matches.
Time for Bazball to come up with the goods.
If there's ever a match for Jos Buttler to rediscover his form, this is it. India are vulnerable, but everything needs to go right for England to win.
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WIndies powerhouse lose to the joint hosts in a quarterfinal eliminator.
So down to the last four . A India v South Africa final the favourite bet, but a well timed innings or a great piece of fielding or bowling can be all the difference in winning and losing in tight matches.
Time for Bazball to come up with the goods.
If there's ever a match for Jos Buttler to rediscover his form, this is it. India are vulnerable, but everything needs to go right for England to win.
Let?s hope so dp.
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Well 30 ball century saw off the South Africans , so well done Finn Allen in putting the Kiwis in the final.
So who will be their opposition, the hosts or Brooks Bazballers .
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Well 30 ball century saw off the South Africans , so well done Finn Allen in putting the Kiwis in the final.
So who will be their opposition, the hosts or Brooks Bazballers .
Who cares? Little media coverage in the UK.
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Well 30 ball century saw off the South Africans , so well done Finn Allen in putting the Kiwis in the final.
So who will be their opposition, the hosts or Brooks Bazballers .
I think India will be far too strong for England, unless Buttler, Salt and Brook all have one of their best days. Fingers crossed.
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Slapathon over, got out Bazball by the IPL superstars.
Great effort to get even close to that total, where cameos needed to be that little better. Seven runs deceiving though where catches win matches .
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Those 2 Axar Patel catches and the Brook drop had a huge impact on the outcome. But England were below par with the ball, Jacks and Rashid excepted. If Archer had a better day then England would have won. That Bethell innings was top class though. The youngest England player to make a hundred in all 3 formats. Remarkable.
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The fielding coach will sort it out.
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It was the Brook drop which really caused the problem.
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We will never know how the drop help or hindered the final total with there batting line up . Bethall should have got MOTM with that knock. What was interesting was the comparison score at about 15/16 overs, surprisingly was almost identical in runs and wickets . So it shows the flood gates opened in the final bowling overs .
Time of the Baz era to end has results do not reflect the talk . Let?s put it another way, NZ in the final.
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We will never know how the drop help or hindered the final total with there batting line up . Bethall should have got MOTM with that knock. What was interesting was the comparison score at about 15/16 overs, surprisingly was almost identical in runs and wickets . So it shows the flood gates opened in the final bowling overs .
Time of the Baz era to end has results do not reflect the talk . Let?s put it another way, NZ in the final.
Also shows India have Bumrah, who's a different level to anyone else.
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Also shows India have Bumrah, who's a different level to anyone else.
And who apparently spends hours practising his yorkers, which might explain his exceptional control of them.