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Title: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 02, 2024, 08:20:34 PM
I see that only four applications were received for the Committee. Last year, we had three pages of Essex till I die, CVs.

That and, I have supported Essex, since they won something. Oops, I should not have said that.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: bwildered on December 03, 2024, 08:33:43 AM
The Annual General Meeting will take place at 7pm on Tuesday 17 December 2024 at The Cloud County Ground, and we look forward to welcoming you.
 
This will be an in-person only event, with attendees encouraged to arrive from 6:30pm at the Doug Insole Pavilion, where tea and coffee will be available.

No streaming for this event  ? How much does it cost to stream this event ?
 
A backward step by the club in showing a policy of transparency throughout the running of the club, to non local members who cannot attend .
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: mawallace on December 03, 2024, 08:58:50 AM
And it was called at the shortest possible notice - meaning that I can't organise things to attend.,
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: nat on December 03, 2024, 11:15:51 AM
And it was called at the shortest possible notice - meaning that I can't organise things to attend.,

A cynic might think they have deliberately called the meeting at short notice and just before Christmas because they have something to hide.

I couldn't possibly comment.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: Oldhasbeen on December 03, 2024, 11:17:43 AM
The Annual General Meeting will take place at 7pm on Tuesday 17 December 2024 at The Cloud County Ground, and we look forward to welcoming you.
 
This will be an in-person only event, with attendees encouraged to arrive from 6:30pm at the Doug Insole Pavilion, where tea and coffee will be available.

No streaming for this event  ? How much does it cost to stream this event ?
 
A backward step by the club in showing a policy of transparency throughout the running of the club, to non local members who cannot attend .
Anyone going to surreptitiously record it on their mobile?
I rather hope so
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 03, 2024, 11:44:09 AM
If there is any ulterior motive, it will backfire. Before anyone knows it, Essex will join Leicestershire by being able to hold a members' forum as house calls.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: nat on December 03, 2024, 11:54:58 AM
If there is any ulterior motive, it will backfire. Before anyone knows it, Essex will join Leicestershire by being able to hold a members' forum as house calls.

I'm guessing there is a huge financial loss to report for the previous year and they don't want many awkward questions.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: JasonP on December 03, 2024, 01:29:09 PM
If there is any ulterior motive, it will backfire. Before anyone knows it, Essex will join Leicestershire by being able to hold a members' forum as house calls.

I'm guessing there is a huge financial loss to report for the previous year and they don't want many awkward questions.

Maybe.  When Stephenson was in charge he seemed very open about everything that was going on at the club.  He seemed pretty transparent and didn't avoid awkward questions.  There were a number of member forums and interviews on the clubs social media.  Since he's left that's all stopped. 
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: SirChef26 on December 03, 2024, 03:28:18 PM
Well forget the racism report costs/fines. In general, the price of everything it takes to run a business whether it be sports or otherwise continues to go up. You have further increased energy bills and various other overheads, now increased national insurance and minimum wage costs following the latest government budget. Yet Essex's revenue income essentially remains the same. There's no new and improved TV deal on the horizon to bump it up like you'd expect in football, lazy players continue to moan/campaign for less games which hurts the club further and a rotting Chelmsford provides zero 'non-cricketing revenue'.

A huge financial loss would be of no surprise, the club cannot sustainably operate in its current guise unless it either embraces private investment and/or Chelmsford is renovated/replaced/moved on from entirely. Everyone is scared to admit that, but it's a fact.

Having listened to the bloke supposedly now in charge on BBC Essex, he hardly inspires confidence. At least JS had the air of a leader about him.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 03, 2024, 04:09:24 PM
If you attempt to criticise, there are a number of useful idiots. Who will be quick to slap you down.

I think we all have a good idea, who these are. A clue, you will not see them on this forum.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: essexfan548 on December 03, 2024, 05:25:30 PM
The Annual General Meeting will take place at 7pm on Tuesday 17 December 2024 at The Cloud County Ground, and we look forward to welcoming you.
 
This will be an in-person only event, with attendees encouraged to arrive from 6:30pm at the Doug Insole Pavilion, where tea and coffee will be available.

No streaming for this event  ? How much does it cost to stream this event ?
 
A backward step by the club in showing a policy of transparency throughout the running of the club, to non local members who cannot attend .

I've replied to say the same - I call it disenfranchisement.

A Zoom licence is not expensive - even a webinar would be fine so we could listen.

HUGE backward step and I'm not impressed.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: bwildered on December 04, 2024, 01:06:00 PM
Does anyone know who and how to contact the members representative on the committee ?
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 04, 2024, 01:38:17 PM
I thought that all the Committee members were available for the members to speak to. John Stephenson found time to mingle with members and supporters.

Look round the member's enclosure and see how many new faces there are, over the last few years. Also, how many familiar faces are now missing?

One thing I have noticed, is in some areas. Members disappear and their friends, think so much of them that they are never mentioned again, in an Orwellian fashion.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: mawallace on December 13, 2024, 07:59:00 PM
If there is any ulterior motive, it will backfire. Before anyone knows it, Essex will join Leicestershire by being able to hold a members' forum as house calls.

I'm guessing there is a huge financial loss to report for the previous year and they don't want many awkward questions.

Well looking at the accounts sent out to members, you were right. A massive loss, even after taking into effect a large insurance claim relating to COVID.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: Oldhasbeen on December 14, 2024, 08:54:17 AM
?750K loss is seriously worrying. I look forward to hearing how the club are going to deal with this.
Spoons will have his work cut out on recruitment, that's for sure. Can't see us splashing the cash on any bid star, even for T20.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 14, 2024, 10:37:00 AM
If going to the AGM, a cassette tape recorder under your coat will suffice. A C90 tape, after 45 minutes, visit the facilities and turn the tape over to the other side.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: Oldhasbeen on December 14, 2024, 11:04:57 AM
If going to the AGM, a cassette tape recorder under your coat will suffice. A C90 tape, after 45 minutes, visit the facilities and turn the tape over to the other side.
Tape recorder? C90? Christ Vim, I thought I was  behind the curve on technology!
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: Andy on December 14, 2024, 01:31:15 PM
If going to the AGM, a cassette tape recorder under your coat will suffice. A C90 tape, after 45 minutes, visit the facilities and turn the tape over to the other side.
Tape recorder? C90? Christ Vim, I thought I was  behind the curve on technology!

I was expecting an Edison recording phonograph.  Anyone know any friendly Russians or Chinese agents who are prepared to work for free?
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 14, 2024, 02:09:08 PM
There is no need to give live audio. We can all wait for a summary later on.

There should be an award, for the most stupid statement or question at the AGM. There will be a number of nominations.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: essexfan548 on December 14, 2024, 02:20:06 PM
I've still had no reply to my e-mail about live streaming the AGM.

Does anyone know how to contact our member reps?
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 14, 2024, 03:08:41 PM
Take the matter of the live-streaming up with club directly.

Members reps are a version of the American joke about having to have one from the shop floor.

I would have put my name down for the free hospitality. Sitting in the corner at a meeting and stuffing my face, is the ideal situation for everyone.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: essexfan548 on December 14, 2024, 04:03:15 PM
I did e-mail the club!

I don't live in Essex these days ... a phone call leaves no trail.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 14, 2024, 04:18:40 PM
No doubt, someone attending the AGM will provide a summary.

If, the club says not to. Follow the advice of the Duke of Wellington and publish and be dammed.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: bwildered on December 15, 2024, 11:43:14 AM
 Part reply from Dan regards streaming .

The decision around this AGM was taken due the need around a vote being taken on the evening, that we would not be able to active online that we had to take the option to not stream the AGM.

We are certainly looking into how we can provide this in the future, but for this year's AGM it was just not possible to action.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: essexfan548 on December 15, 2024, 12:36:23 PM
Part reply from Dan regards streaming .

The decision around this AGM was taken due the need around a vote being taken on the evening, that we would not be able to active online that we had to take the option to not stream the AGM.

We are certainly looking into how we can provide this in the future, but for this year's AGM it was just not possible to action.

Voting could have been done by issuing papers in advance.

I just want to hear what is said ...
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: bwildered on December 15, 2024, 05:26:21 PM
Let?s hope a attendee might filter down some information.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: Can the Can on December 16, 2024, 02:53:01 PM
How is the professional women's team going to be financed?
Is any of the budget for their players and staff coming from funds that would otherwise be available for the men's first eleven.

I hope someone asks these questions.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: nat on December 16, 2024, 04:50:19 PM
How is the professional women's team going to be financed?
Is any of the budget for their players and staff coming from funds that would otherwise be available for the men's first eleven.

I hope someone asks these questions.

Of course the women's game is/will be subsidised by the men's game. There is a finite pot of money.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 16, 2024, 07:10:02 PM
Will the club ever make a profit again?
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: SirChef26 on December 16, 2024, 08:16:44 PM
Will the club ever make a profit again?
Only two ways it can make a profit in its current guise.

A sale to private ownership with the capital to invest heavily (nine figures) into moving ground, or radical redevelopment.

Remaining member-owned but with a significant slashing of the playing/staff budget which sees all our best players go elsewhere and the club be consigned to D2 wasteland with the likes of Derby/Leicester, at least until the ECB puts them all out of their misery and breaks away with the counties at Test match venues. That may not guarantee a profit either as membership/ticket sales would no doubt be affected by the team no longer being competitive.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: nat on December 16, 2024, 08:52:13 PM
Will the club ever make a profit again?
Only two ways it can make a profit in its current guise.

A sale to private ownership with the capital to invest heavily (nine figures) into moving ground, or radical redevelopment.

Remaining member-owned but with a significant slashing of the playing/staff budget which sees all our best players go elsewhere and the club be consigned to D2 wasteland with the likes of Derby/Leicester, at least until the ECB puts them all out of their misery and breaks away with the counties at Test match venues. That may not guarantee a profit either as membership/ticket sales would no doubt be affected by the team no longer being competitive.
The club needs to remain member-owned but raise funds to re-develop the ground. Either a loan (not preferred) or sell some sort of debenture to members.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 16, 2024, 09:19:17 PM
No doubt the club will be able to find a suitable investor. The same as they found a suitable ground developer.

As, I said earlier. I give the club five years maximum.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: essexfan548 on December 17, 2024, 12:51:46 PM
If anyone on here is going can they ask how we contact our member reps?

Thry need to be visible at matches ...
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 17, 2024, 07:10:43 PM
Will there be, as I have seen at AGM's, a one-man walkout, from someone not happy at what is being said. The said person, trying to get others to join him and the rest of the room, trying to show that they do not know him.

Someone, if there is criticism of anyone in the playing, coaching or admin staff. Throwing a tantrum on their behalf, although the member of staff is quite capable of defending themselves, if they wished to.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: nat on December 17, 2024, 08:26:13 PM
Will there be, as I have seen at AGM's, a one-man walkout, from someone not happy at what is being said. The said person, trying to get others to join him and the rest of the room, trying to show that they do not know him.

Someone, if there is criticism of anyone in the playing, coaching or admin staff. Throwing a tantrum on their behalf, although the member of staff is quite capable of defending themselves, if they wished to.
Have you been at the meths again?!
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 17, 2024, 08:54:16 PM
No, I have not been drinking. Although during games, usually after tea. There is a random visit from a drunk to upstairs, who has wandered in from the Park next door.

Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 17, 2024, 09:08:25 PM
Someone, should have returned home soon and can give a report of what was discussed, and if there was anything in the meeting that was unintentionally funny.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: JasonP on December 17, 2024, 11:57:40 PM
The_Grumbler on x(twitter) has a pretty comprehensive round up of the AGM if anyone?s interested.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: vim on December 18, 2024, 07:24:55 AM
Reading what is a brief summary. My comments are.

Income to meet the budget.

From observations of the last few seasons. Income is decreasing, rather than increasing. Charging more for Meteor Way, Scorecards and cutting back on the beverages and biscuits in the Premier suite, will only go so far.

A ground development partnership, with the University. You chose this, just as Higher Education is having a funding crisis.
Title: Re: AGM 2024
Post by: bwildered on December 18, 2024, 08:34:21 AM
 Seems like groundhog AGM .
 
Lost more money than normal due to the Newton Report.
ECB money not to increase through decade .
Want to develop ground -rather than move - which needs ground rent for income.