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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: bwildered on October 07, 2024, 08:17:51 AM
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The Super Saar soap powder test series, is it Omo, Daz , Persil, Surf or Bold ?
Oh, and a long day in the field for England.
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Bazza Mcullum doing his best to kill off Test cricket by selecting a Dog&Duck bowling attack.
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Good job they didn?t take any ?trundlers? like Cook and Porter. Seriously, they?ve dodged a bullet here. Being ?realistic?.
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Bazza Mcullum doing his best to kill off Test cricket by selecting a Dog&Duck bowling attack.
Come on now, Carse had to play after his magnificent season for Durham when he took 4 wickets in 4 matches at an average of 106 with an economy rate of 4.37 and don't forget the difference Josh Hull would have made to this attack. It's not McCullums fault he's injured. His bowling would have made a huge impact on here for sure. 2 wickets in 3 matches at an average of 182.50 with an economy rate of 5.36 shows that.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/county-championship-division-one-2024-15937?team=975
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/county-championship-division-two-2024-15938
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I thought the England bowlers stuck at it well. There's been so little preparation for this series so soon after a cold English "summer". Shoaib came back well after a difficult first session and Leach kept things quiet as well as picking up a sharp caught and bowled. Carse bowled with pace and could have been in the wickets, although he looked understandably knackered at the end. Atkinson was probably the pick of the bowlers.
England are still in this.
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England are still in this.
I'll have a cheeky bet with you that they aren't.
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England are still in this.
I'll have a cheeky bet with you that they aren't.
I would take that bet with you. Never ever underestimate the ability of Pakistan to totally meltdown in the blink of an eye.
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I fear that to lose it from here is beyond even Pakistan. Get your heads down and go for a draw lads.
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550+ is daunting but I wouldn't be too damning on the England bowlers, they are coming into a Test without much time to acclimatise to the searing heat and having to bowl on a batsman's paradise. Maybe a leggie would have been better than Bashir, though.
Maybe Little Chef is sitting at home thinking he's dodged a bullet. There a quite a few bowlers who took 0 for plenty in their debut Test and were never seen on Test duty again.
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550+ is daunting but I wouldn't be too damning on the England bowlers, they are coming into a Test without much time to acclimatise to the searing heat and having to bowl on a batsman's paradise. Maybe a leggie would have been better than Bashir, though.
Maybe Little Chef is sitting at home thinking he's dodged a bullet. There a quite a few bowlers who took 0 for plenty in their debut Test and were never seen on Test duty again.
Parkinson (K*nt) would have been a better option.
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550+ is daunting but I wouldn't be too damning on the England bowlers, they are coming into a Test without much time to acclimatise to the searing heat and having to bowl on a batsman's paradise. Maybe a leggie would have been better than Bashir, though.
Maybe Little Chef is sitting at home thinking he's dodged a bullet. There a quite a few bowlers who took 0 for plenty in their debut Test and were never seen on Test duty again.
Parkinson (K*nt) would have been a better option.
He's certainly had a lot of experience this season of playing in a bowling attack that conceeds 550+ regularly.
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550+ is daunting but I wouldn't be too damning on the England bowlers, they are coming into a Test without much time to acclimatise to the searing heat and having to bowl on a batsman's paradise. Maybe a leggie would have been better than Bashir, though.
Maybe Little Chef is sitting at home thinking he's dodged a bullet. There a quite a few bowlers who took 0 for plenty in their debut Test and were never seen on Test duty again.
Parkinson (K*nt) would have been a better option.
He's certainly had a lot of experience this season of playing in a bowling attack that conceeds 550+ regularly.
Very catty. But very true.
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Perhaps I'm biased but Critchley is by far the best leg spinner I've seen this season- certainly better than Parkinson or the kid from Leicester with the added bonus of his batting and fielding. That said of course he'll never play for England obviously.
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Perhaps I'm biased but Critchley is by far the best leg spinner I've seen this season- certainly better than Parkinson or the kid from Leicester with the added bonus of his batting and fielding. That said of course he'll never play for England obviously.
He might if he goes to Notts.
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Recall for Dom Bess .
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Recall for Dom Bess .
The forgotten man of England Test cricket
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Recall for Dom Bess .
The forgotten man of England Test cricket
Signed a new contract with Yawkshur otherwise we should have signed him.
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Perhaps I'm biased but Critchley is by far the best leg spinner I've seen this season- certainly better than Parkinson or the kid from Leicester with the added bonus of his batting and fielding. That said of course he'll never play for England obviously.
He needed more runs?or fewer in this bazball era it is better not to do well at county level.
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Joe Root becomes England highest run scorer, overtaking Sir Chef. Congratulations to him. You have to be a class player to hold these sort of records .
Was wondering how long Gooch / Cook have held this record, up until today ? A record our club should be upmost proud.
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336 off 67 overs. It's Test cricket Jim, but not as we (used to) know it.
I have my reservations about some of the Bazball-era selections and tactics, but for entertainment it sure as hell beat the the days of pad, prod and prey when Spoons was at the helm.
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Joe Root becomes England highest run scorer, overtaking Sir Chef. Congratulations to him. You have to be a class player to hold these sort of records .
Was wondering how long Gooch / Cook have held this record, up until today ? A record our club should be upmost proud.
Got a lot of time for Root, unlike most Yorkies. Like Gooch and Chef not a great captain but all three had to shoulder the responsibility of run scoring along with captaincy demands.
JR is a more complete batsman than Chef, ignoring the silly ramp shots, and has been more consistent at international level than Gooch was although that was a different era. Comparing with the likes of Tendulkar is similarly difficult because of biased umpiring in those days. Not sure whether the likes of Brook will match Root as I think the latter is one that comes along once a generation.
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Not sure that this test is doing test cricket any favours again although I suppose England still have a very remote chance of victory. Playing not one but two games in this ground on two likely shirtfronts in 100+ degrees of heat in a provincial stadium. Why no tests in Karachi or Islamabad- the two main centres of population and where conditions are likely to be more equable?
Although plenty of runs are being scored it's still a bit like watching paint dry.
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Not sure that this test is doing test cricket any favours again although I suppose England still have a very remote chance of victory. Playing not one but two games in this ground on two likely shirtfronts in 100+ degrees of heat in a provincial stadium. Why no tests in Karachi or Islamabad- the two main centres of population and where conditions are likely to be more equable?
Although plenty of runs are being scored it's still a bit like watching paint dry.
That was a great batting performance by Crawley, Duckett, Root and Brook to score at close to 5 an over all day. But even if England got to 700 or so and declared just after lunch, I can't see the Pakistan batting crumbling. But then they do have a poor recent record, so there's always a chance.
I think the test got moved from Karachi because of ground preparations for next year's Champions Trophy. But both teams are going to be knackered with just a 4 day turnaround for the second test on the same ground. I don't think we're going to get a green top, so almost certainly more of the same.
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Pablo, you certainly have a point. Sadly, I suspect we are not playing at the big cities due to security issues.
Good to see our guys in the runs, but I'd rather see a balance between bat and ball
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Not sure that this test is doing test cricket any favours again although I suppose England still have a very remote chance of victory. Playing not one but two games in this ground on two likely shirtfronts in 100+ degrees of heat in a provincial stadium. Why no tests in Karachi or Islamabad- the two main centres of population and where conditions are likely to be more equable?
Although plenty of runs are being scored it's still a bit like watching paint dry.
But is it not the case that the PCB engineers shirt front wickets if they are not confident about their team, therefore the venue is almost irrelevant? TBF PK is a highly populated nation, so bringing Tests to the provinces may have some benefits for engendering interest?
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All going to script so far. Another couple of sessions boshing it about then Pakistan will fold like a deck of cards as always.
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Cricket from a bygone age.
Highest partnership for England in test cricket, Brook and Root highest test scores, and Root becoming England top run scorer has records tumble galore.
Highest score by visiting test side .
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England are still in this.
I'll have a cheeky bet with you that they aren't.
I would take that bet with you. Never ever underestimate the ability of Pakistan to totally meltdown in the blink of an eye.
In case you're wondering Nat...no I won't be cashing out early!
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Hmmm...
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any chance of rain?
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Hmmm...
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any chance of rain?
Ah, but the leg spinner is in hospital so cannot bat. Maybe there is a get out clause for force majeur?
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Wonder how many miles did Brook run in his innings ?
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All going to script so far. Another couple of sessions boshing it about then Pakistan will fold like a deck of cards as always.
A lot of people with a lot of egg on their faces but you got it spot on.
England were obviously never out of it and Carse has been excellent. The selectors aren?t looking at stats they are looking at potential and, for the most part, it?s working. There are so many players who would never have played for England if the selectors had gone on averages - Vaughan and Trescothick immediately come to mind. I?d back McCullum?s eye for talent over the ?he?s never done it in the CC/his stats are rubbish? brigade. They are backing Carse, Hull, Potts, Atkinson, Bashir etc and who are we to argue
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This is not necessarily a good PK side and on a flat pitch. The best thing is how the bowlers tightened their line on the second innings. Carse could be a Bob Willis type who appears out of nowhere, although he may well have been on the radar earlier had he not had that little, ahem, problem with the bookmaker.
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Pakistan first innings defeat in test cricket. Fourth highest team total in test cricket.
Four wins on the bounce in Pakistan for England.
That really was hardwork and an excellent team effort to put in these sort of performances.
Just need to replicate this performance against the top two test sides next year please, especially down under.
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This is not necessarily a good PK side
That's an understatement, it's the worst Pakistan side in a generation. They lost a home series 0-2 to Bangladesh just over a month ago.
Winning over there isn't the achievement it once was unfortunately.
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This is not necessarily a good PK side
That's an understatement, it's the worst Pakistan side in a generation. They lost a home series 0-2 to Bangladesh just over a month ago.
Winning over there isn't the achievement it once was unfortunately.
They always swing between unbeatable or incompetent. I agree that this is not a true test of the team. However it does reflect the importance of playing according to the conditions and as a unit. Let Root put down anchor whilst the others selectively hit out.
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A lot of people with a lot of egg on their faces but you got it spot on.
England were obviously never out of it and Carse has been excellent. The selectors aren?t looking at stats they are looking at potential and, for the most part, it?s working. There are so many players who would never have played for England if the selectors had gone on averages - Vaughan and Trescothick immediately come to mind. I?d back McCullum?s eye for talent over the ?he?s never done it in the CC/his stats are rubbish? brigade. They are backing Carse, Hull, Potts, Atkinson, Bashir etc and who are we to argue
I agree that Carse bowled well, as did Atkinson. Woakes fitted into the Anderson role and helped balance the side and Leach was outstanding. A difficult match for Bashir, but they'll stick with him. And the batting performance was astonishing, even allowing for an underperforming Pakistan attack. To score that quickly for so long in stifling heat is really impressive.
Quite how Pakistan with their top 7 and seam attack manage to be so bad is a mystery. Babar Azam's form falling off a cliff hasn't helped, but something is very wrong.
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Having a vegan coach might not help. There?s only so many bananas that can be eaten?
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I wonder if the bookies have been busy.
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I wonder if the bookies have been busy.
Woooahhhh. Steady.
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Well the bazball legacy could lead to be the first 1,000 run test match innings, or did that very rare opportunity just get missed given it was the first test in a series and not wanting your bowlers trying to get 20 wickets straight off in such climate conditions.
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Interesting selection. Stokes for Woakes no surprise, but I didn't expect Potts for Big Gus, maybe the latter is plain knackered.
Great faith being shown with Bashir after his dire first test performance. I think the Pakistan batsmen will really target him.
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From BBC:
The hosts' selection committee, including captain Shan Masood, coach Jason Gillespie, former skipper Azhar Ali and ex-international umpire Aleem Dar were engaged in a long and public meeting on the square during Monday's training session.
I suggest that our selection issues are nothing compared with the other side.
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All square, literally.
Two totally different tests, but two results. No doubt another spin circus for a one test shoot out.
Two dropped catches and a wagging tail put any total to chase out of reach for a four innings.
All to play for, winning the toss will be crucial on another bunson burner to come the third test.
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Final test decider second innings shot out, well would be after a half hour of carnage. Can the remaining batters make a sizeable score in which to defend ?
England?s negative field placings let them have far too many singles until the scores were par in the first innings.
Unless somebody can get a decent score, game will be over by tea, (if not before). Are only salvation is to bat has long has possible and hope it turns sideways last time around.
But at present the Pakistan spinners get more response out the pitch than we can muster.
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Undone by the Super Saar spin twins. Totally cleaned us up. Shared 39 wickets in two tests become impossible to get the ball out their hands .
Full credit to them after conceding 800 in the first test . But England after that were out batted and bowled comprehensively. Cannot play turning wickets, too busy playing franchise in August.
Have we learnt from losing in India last winter ?
Next up NZ and Aussies, will be totally different conditions.
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Short answer to your question is no we have learned nothing, or rather the Key regime is beyond learning because they're victims of invincible ignorance. See my post under the NZ tour thread.
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Wonder if Andy Saltzmann can provide some meaningless stats of the guy?s performance on the golf course when test games finish early, might suggest there swing has improved.