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Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: bwildered on July 15, 2023, 01:30:12 PM
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T20 Final .
Got to be in it to win it .
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Strange how both our final appearances have come off bang average 4th place finishes (with Kent missing out 5th both times).
There are 4 or 5 teams clearly better than us this year but shows you don't have to be the best team you just need to stay in it.
Let's hope for 2 from 2 in the final.
EAAAGLES.
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I Repeat an earlier observation after the Bears victory, how often a side sneaking through in the final qualifying place, goes on to confound all.
Harmer must make it two out of two tosses.
If it’s your day.
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T20 Final .
Got to be in it to win it .
Definitely needs it's own thread :-) Was never expecting to have any interest in finals days a week or so ago.
Surrey should be able to chase 143, but Somerset would have been more of a grudge match.
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Good luck to the lads for the Final. As Red says, just as it happens all the time in football too (the play offs), a team who just sneaks in with the last kick of the season or ball of the over, very often goes on to win the whole competition!, so hopefully it happens again tonight!
For the Final I would replace Rossington with Buttleman and Beard with Westley, but I expect it will be the same 11 as the S-F.
Come on Essex!
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Surrey messing up their chase.
I think they should pick Buttleman instead of Rossington too, but they'll probably stick with the experience.
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It’s THAT lot in the final then. I feel sick!
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Somerset must be favourites having beaten Essex twice in the group stages. But it would be glorious to beat them.
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Dismal effort from Surrey but a frighteningly efficient bowling and fielding performance from Somerset. Weird that JOverton didn't bowl at all.
Looks like it's getting harder to score quickly as the day progresses, maybe because of the rain. 140 might be a winning score again in the final.
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Essex won the toss and will bowl.
Unchanged team.
Rossington, Lawrence, Pepper, Das, Walter, Critchley, Sams, Harmer, Snater, Beard, Cook
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Amazing - we have so over performed in this competition - we are not really suited to T20 so well done to them. Would be nice to get off to a flying batting start - what odds on Rossington lasting 2 overs and scoring 10 runs plus ? Unlikely bases on previous.
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Superb spell from Snater.
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Superb spell from Snater.
Yep.
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Superb spell from Snater.
He's been excellent. A top bit of fielding from Beard to run out Overton too.
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As Bumble would say…”the fridge has opened”
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A great spell from Walter too. 3-29 from 4.
This is going to be a nervy chase.
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A great spell from Walter too. 3-29 from 4.
This is going to be a nervy chase.
nah we'll smoke it.
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Walter's bowling this season has been really good. We needed someone to do what Tendo did and he's really stepped up.t He's made such a difference and means we can immediately bin whoever is struggling
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Pepper - calm down.
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Pepper - calm down.
Anyone still think he should be anywhere near the CC team?!
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We need Lozza to stay in here.
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Oops.
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Absolutely stupid batting, I know this is the 'new game' but chasing under 150 why so much slogging ?
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terrible terrible batting. Not a brain cell between them.
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It's a run a ball. Can't believe we handing it to this mob. Thrown ot away. Live by thr sword die by it I guess...
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Playing Das ahead of Westley has backfired big time.
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Playing Das ahead of Westley has backfired big time.
You lot wanted him in the team.
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Could have played both and leave out Beard
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Could have played both and leave out Beard
Beard would have scored more runs than Das.
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Could have played both and leave out Beard
Beard would have scored more runs than Das.
Must be great knowing everything
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Playing Das ahead of Westley has backfired big time.
You lot wanted him in the team.
Not in a big final with the pitch like this.
Game over.
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we can't lose to a bunch of straw munchers.
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Beard is going to score the winning runs. Its written in the stars
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How the hell did Beard get a double hundred in the 2XI?!
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There's some very average 18 year olds in second eleven cricket
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Oh well let's get back to proper cricket.
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Oh well.
Congratulations to Somerset, they deserved it as the best team of the tournament.
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Just needed one of the top 4 to bat properly
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Oh well.
Congratulations to Somerset, they deserved it as the best team of the tournament.
We bottled it.
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Bugger
Threw it away to be honest and they had all the luck wonder catches etc. Bitter cheats. Still they will never win the CC hopefully.
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No-one expected us to reach the final - Westley should have played in this match.
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No-one expected us to reach the final - Westley should have played in this match.
Once the pitch is tricky we might as well play The Chef
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We bottled it
It's worth going back to that Cricinfo preview article
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/michael-pepper-the-essex-batter-who-idolises-ab-de-villiers-1387451
The players themselves say the idea is to go hard and keep going hard. No plan B. We'd already seen it in the Surrey and Brum games where we were well ahead of the chase at the halfway point, then nearly lost by keeping on going for big hits rather than knocking it around on the ground. We'd also just seen Surrey royally screw up their semi-final chase for similar reasons. Still the lesson didn't sink in.
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I’m so disappointed in Paul Walter especially. Did the hard work getting in, we needed 7.5 an over, a partnership building and he plays a shot like that against an international leggie. 29 years old, bucketloads of experience now and does that. It’s just so painstaking brainless and embarrassing. Fair play to Dan Sams who did his best. It’s so easy to say now but I honestly think we’d have won that if Westley had come in at four. He wouldn’t have tried to needlessly slog and an 7.5 over chase would have been in his wheelhouse.
But Somerset are best team in the comp and deserve the trophy. 15 wins from 17 games says it all.
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Just one game to far, only win last over contests.
Did not learn from the defeat at Taunton earlier in the season, repeated the same mistakes at a gettable target, just some smarter shot selection required.
Catches win matches, from the first wicket and the last
Congratulations to Ciderset .
Runners up remarkable though .
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We bottled it
It's worth going back to that Cricinfo preview article
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/michael-pepper-the-essex-batter-who-idolises-ab-de-villiers-1387451
The players themselves say the idea is to go hard and keep going hard. No plan B. We'd already seen it in the Surrey and Brum games where we were well ahead of the chase at the halfway point, then nearly lost by keeping on going for big hits rather than knocking it around on the ground. We'd also just seen Surrey royally screw up their semi-final chase for similar reasons. Still the lesson didn't sink in.
Spot on. Once Rossington was out we need 6.5 an over FFS. Surely someone should say ‘let’s take no risks for the next 8 overs and get to half way with 2 or 3 wickets down. Henry is top quality and Overton decent so see them off. Block if necessary. Whenever I see a game like that, it is crying out for Cook or Westley. Beard contributed nothing and we have 7 other bowlers. Westley is a better T20 bowler than Beard anyway. Having muddled our way to the final, cool heads and sensible batting would have won that game. They’ll be kicking themselves
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Well we should have beaten them were we not so silly so don't think they did deserve anymore than anyone else. They were not the best team. Playing at Taunton helps them massively whereas we struggle at home as out spinners get misfits going for 6.
Ish sodhi is no a great player yet we made him look like warney.
going all out is all well and good but not when it comes to a situation like this where its simply not needed. We gave it away pure and simple.
Wouldn't care if it were not that lot of cheats Gibson etc. Oh and Don topley is a bitter so amd so too. Delighted to see us lose.
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Trouble is... I don't think they will be kicking themselves. They'll think they did well...to get to the final...it vindicates their method. Rubbish.
By all means go hard for the first few overs/couple of wickets but then pause and take a look at the game situation. 35-0 off 3 overs chasing 145 and yet we lost!
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Well done lads, still an achievement. Somerset were the best team in the competition and Essex massively over performed to get to the final. It was a great day. This is a relatively young side and they will get better and I'm not going to criticise any of them. Look at how a very experienced Surrey side got on against the same opposition.
Much as I don't like Somerset, it's good to see the trophy go to another non test hosting team.
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Surrey, Birmingham and Hampshire must win games to get there who would have thought.
Great credit to Harmer guiding us to runner up spot.
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Very poor effort in the final, threw it away, but they did well to get there so can’t be too disappointed.
One question……..Beard…why on earth is he playing, match after match?!! Only gets to bowl one (expensive) over each match and scores no runs!! Not the only one to blame for the loss of course but we’re handicapping ourselves every match he plays.
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One question……..Beard…why on earth is he playing, match after match?!! Only gets to bowl one (expensive) over each match and scores no runs!! Not the only one to blame for the loss of course but we’re handicapping ourselves every match he plays.
They think there's a player in there somewhere. I did too...for a long while.
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Trouble is... I don't think they will be kicking themselves. They'll think they did well...to get to the final...it vindicates their method. Rubbish.
By all means go hard for the first few overs/couple of wickets but then pause and take a look at the game situation. 35-0 off 3 overs chasing 145 and yet we lost!
I actually disagree to an extent. McGrath might think they did well but Simon Harmer is a winner, you can see it in his eyes. That will have hurt him.
One more point from me, anyone who doesn’t think there’s value in resigning Ravi, hopefully tonight has put that one to bed for you. We’d have been celebrating tonight with him in the top/middle order.
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Agree with much said above. Lack of ability to chsnge approach when needed. Anyway, back to the proper stuff next week. Well played Somerset
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And I thought that Critchley caught and bowled against Gregory was out. He had his fingers under the ball. Small margins.
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I was sitting looking straight at thecritchley caught and bowl. It looked clearly on the ground from where I was sitting
And I thought that Critchley caught and bowled against Gregory was out. He had his fingers under the ball. Small margins.
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I was sitting looking straight at thecritchley caught and bowl. It looked clearly on the ground from where I was sitting And I thought that Critchley caught and bowled against Gregory was out. He had his fingers under the ball. Small margins.
Well I will defer to your view then. Maybe I just wanted it to be out.
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Well had got to be in it to LOSE it. Sixteen other counties would have wished. Unfortunately the seeded v unseeded contest did not match the tennis result earlier. Yes the consolation is that none of the bigger counties made it, perhaps they have half a eye on the 16.4 franchise.
Hope everyone attended had a good time and got home safely.
Although runners up , the work now starts for next season, more tinkering will be needed.
Great effort by the players full credit to them, the one that got away in hindsight .
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Guess that we didn’t really deserve to win it - had put in some pretty terrible performances at Chelmsford and team selection throughout often looked to be a mystery. Cook no longer plays T20 - this game would have sited him, but Westley could have played maybe instead of Das who looked like a rabbit in the headlights. Simon Harmer has had a couple of good games in the competition, but limited over has never been his bowling forte - these days mostly economically expensive with the ball especially as country batsmen have found ways to play him - a contrast with the Somerset spinner. However you cannot question his leadership qualities and value to us over the years - immense.
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Many well balanced views on the final and looking objectively Somerset deserved to win.
If we look back to see how we were performing mid way through the T20, few would have predicted that we would reach finals day, let alone finish close runners up to a strong all round team.
So hats off to the team who surely exceeded expectations and as Nat cleverly pointed out, prize money may enable us to acquire much needed batting expertise for next season. We will need it.
Batting wise, we were facing two international bowlers in Henry and Sodhi and although some dismissals looked rash and panicky, the quality of the bowling reflected much skill and experience.
Ultimately a somwhat sad day but certainly no disgrace and hopefully the boys will have learnt one vital lesson from T20 games on how to pace the innings and realise there is always time to play yourself in for a few balls, rather than attempt marquee shots immediately which more likely than not result result in premature failure.
For most of our innings we needed only seven runs an over, ne need to take excessive risks, which we did not heed.
Pleased that Sams has enjoyed such a strong finish recently. He is a much better, very destructive player than he has shown earlier and one can see exactly why we signed him.
Many more pluses than minuses.
Well played Eagles
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OK we had our chances and lost it, having just scraped through the group stages (last ball) and QF (penultimate ball) and SF (last over).
Mistakes were made with bat and ball on a tricky pitch. Above all though, Somerset outfielded us - both catching and ground-fielding. Going forward, we do need to find a way to sharpen that up.
When I first started watching Essex in the 70s we were not much good at batting or bowling but we prided ourselves on fielding. Need to recapture some of that somehow.
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Always hate to see Essex lose any match, but we did so well to reach the Final - which most folk expected to be Surrey-Hampshire - that being runners-up was something of which to be proud. As has been said elsewhere, credit also to another non-Test-ground side for winning.
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We read the article in Sunday's Telegraph, talking about T20 finals day and the 16.4, and they spoke of Essex and Somerset being counties who don't have 'a Hundred team'. Pardon us, but nobody has 'a Hundred team', they're just a mixture of players who happen to use your ground to play their matches.
Lynda and Steve
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We read the article in Sunday's Telegraph, talking about T20 finals day and the 16.4, and they spoke of Essex and Somerset being counties who don't have 'a Hundred team'. Pardon us, but nobody has 'a Hundred team', they're just a mixture of players who happen to use your ground to play their matches.
Lynda and Steve
Indeed. We are coming up to the period of 'purdah' for this damned circus which I hope will be observed by all.
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nobody has 'a Hundred team'
Surrey has a 100 team.
They don't even disguise it much.
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I think all the counties who host a hundred team regard it as "their team" to a certain extent. Definitely for Notts and the Trent Bridge Rockets. The Essex players are scattered throughout the franchises, so I've got no affinity for any of them. I'll watch games that Cook or Walter are playing in and I like to see them do well, but I don't care who wins.
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We read the article in Sunday's Telegraph, talking about T20 finals day and the 16.4, and they spoke of Essex and Somerset being counties who don't have 'a Hundred team'. Pardon us, but nobody has 'a Hundred team', they're just a mixture of players who happen to use your ground to play their matches.
Lynda and Steve
That's what the ECB would want you to believe. The reality is that all eight host counties have a Hundred team of their own. They get paid far more than the other ten counties through host fees/corps/food/drink and their members get free tickets to their home games.
Fun fact, I was in Cardiff for football back in the winter and took a stroll through Bute Park in the morning having never been to Sophia Gardens. I walked around the outside of the ground (lovely location) and make no mistake there was just as much Welsh Fire paraphernalia around the place as there was Glamorgan. You try telling the folks at Glamorgan that Welsh Fire isn't "their team". Lancashire are quietly starting to do the same with Original signage around Old Trafford, mainly interior stuff at the moment which fans can't see outside, but that will come soon.
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Ignore the b*****d circus.
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Strikes a bit odd, if 'our team' is different players each year. Anyway, we do ignore it, Nat, and are hoping that the rest of the country follows suit asap.
Lynda and Steve