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Club Administration => Club Administration => Topic started by: bobw on June 26, 2023, 08:35:49 AM
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The daily mail has details of the Newton report this morning. They claim the report has been sat on for 15 months. The ECB are again in the dock for a pore investigation.
https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/sport/cricket/288395/ecb-blasted-over-essex-racism-probe
Does this mean the ECB should be picking up the tab for the report and also refund the £50k fine?
It looks like the ECB has more to answer for than Essex.
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behind a paywall :(
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The main points are:
Criticises ECB investigators for failing to interview former Essex chairman John Faragher before charging him with using racist language.
Concludes the ECB broke its own regulations by pressuring Essex to remove Faragher in November 2021, which included a threat to stop hosting women’s internationals at Chelmsford.
Rejects the ECB’s formal denial of this governance breach, first reported by Mail Sport in April 2022, raising the possibility of an attempted cover-up
Highlights the ECB’s failure to investigate Faragher three years earlier, when a complaint that he had made a racist remark was made in person to then ECB chairman Colin Graves.
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This has got fingerprints of Tom Harrison all over it.
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What does it say about the claims of racism against Essex CCC?
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This has got fingerprints of Tom Harrison all over it.
The report’s findings or the clumsy attempts at handling this situation?
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John Stevenson CEO .
I will be hosting a Members’ Forum before play against Surrey on Tuesday 22 August, giving a further opportunity to discuss all Club matters in an open Q&A session.
This will begin at 9am in the Doug Insole Pavilion with the entry gates opening at 8:45am to facilitate the event.
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If anyone is attending, please ask if Jo Farragher, an elected committee member, was asked to resign and if so why.
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Does anyone trust JS? How can he still hold a position as a director of London Spirit as well as his role at Essex? A huge conflict of interests.
If the report in the Mail was 'erroneous ' as he claims why hasn't he put in a claim for libel?
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Does anyone trust JS? How can he still hold a position as a director of London Spirit as well as his role at Essex? A huge conflict of interests.
If the report in the Mail was 'erroneous ' as he claims why hasn't he put in a claim for libel?
Yep treat everything he says with extreme caution. Chief Execs at many counties seem to forget that they are employees of the club/members.
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Does anyone trust JS? How can he still hold a position as a director of London Spirit as well as his role at Essex? A huge conflict of interests.
If the report in the Mail was 'erroneous ' as he claims why hasn't he put in a claim for libel?
Yep treat everything he says with extreme caution. Chief Execs at many counties seem to forget that they are employees of the club/members.
But the ECB gives big dollops of cash to counties to ‘support’ the domestic game.
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Well.. it's the end of September and the report still not completed!!!
I seem to recall John promising us at the Aug forum meeting it would be with us by now!!
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I remember when he said the end of May 2023!
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What if all John has said at various times about the report were true to the best of his knowledge. However the legal firm may and I stress may have gagged him since he spoke to us? Once the line is drawn under this sorry episode that's the time to apportion blame if indeed their is any?
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Well - the mail has more on the report?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-12585551/Essex-board-members-NDAs-Newton-Report-racism.html
I do wonder who the 'mole' at ECC is? they seem to be fed information
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Well - the mail has more on the report?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-12585551/Essex-board-members-NDAs-Newton-Report-racism.html
I do wonder who the 'mole' at ECC is? they seem to be fed information
It appears that the club want to keep much of the detail of the report secret so the 'mole' is doing a public service and long may he/she continue.
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Under previous, more enlightened, regimes an overseas player taunting younger players with a banana may have been asked into which orifice he wanted said fruit inserted.
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I see Wasim Haq has been suspended by the FA, the LTA and the Golf Authorities for making a racist comment. Mr Haq was on the Essex board when allegations were made against Chairman John Faragher.
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The internet suggested he was the one who made the accusations
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I saw a report that Wasim Haq has now resigned from the FA Council and it gave what he tweeted.
It was totally disgusting remark and there is no defence that it was said as a joke in very poor taste or out of ignorance. When Hitler or anything to do with the Nazis is mentioned. It means that any comment has no value in any context whatsover.
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I've just received a summary report.
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Having speed read the summary report what strikes me most is the unprofessional behaviour of the coach(es) involved during the periods described in the report.
I think we can all work out the name of at least one of the coaches involved.
As for JF, if the report is accurate then the genial image portrayed by him was far away from the reality.
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Player 1 Z. Sharif, coach : G Gooch.
Player 2 J.Ahmed, coach : Irani, Grayson.
Player 3 M.Chambers, coach : Irani, Grayson.
No mention of the trialist involved in the nasty banana / flat share issue, but it was poorly handled by Essex. By method of elimination I suspect it was a bowler from Yorkshire CCC.
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Player 1 Z. Sharif, coach : G Gooch.
Player 2 J.Ahmed, coach : Irani, Grayson.
Player 3 M.Chambers, coach : Irani, Grayson.
No mention of the trialist involved in the nasty banana / flat share issue, but it was poorly handled by Essex. By method of elimination I suspect it was a bowler from Yorkshire CCC.
My prejudice against northerners is well founded. Surprised anything was said against Gooch as he?s generally quite circumspect in sensitive matters - note his conduct during the fraught 1987 Pakistan series when a local umpire nearly got beamed by Fat Gatt.
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Most of the information issued, without naming names has already been disclosed, so we have not known anything new.
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Is Graham Gooch involved by knowing what was going on, but not doing anything about it. The attitude of I would never behave like that, so I do not believe that anyone else I know would either.
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Most of the information issued, without naming names has already been disclosed, so we have not known anything new.
True-ish. The general lack of professionalism with regard to the releasing of players has gone on for ever more but does need much better care which I thought was long in place.
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Most of the information issued, without naming names has already been disclosed, so we have not known anything new.
True-ish. The general lack of professionalism with regard to the releasing of players has gone on for ever more but does need much better care which I thought was long in place.
All of this goes to show the shambolic way the club was being run in the 1990s and 2010s. None of this is surprising.
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TBF Dame Katherine has refuted a number of allegations raised by the complainants.
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She turned down the complaint about team mates taking the micky for having a high pitched voice.
I noticed Sir Chef did the same against GG at a recent awards ceremony, but he just ignored it.
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She turned down the complaint about team mates taking the micky for having a high pitched voice.
I noticed Sir Chef did the same against GG at a recent awards ceremony, but he just ignored it.
Maybe Lord Cook got a slap afterward, cheeky little?
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Player 1 Z. Sharif, coach : G Gooch.
Player 2 J.Ahmed, coach : Irani, Grayson.
Player 3 M.Chambers, coach : Irani, Grayson.
No mention of the trialist involved in the nasty banana / flat share issue, but it was poorly handled by Essex. By method of elimination I suspect it was a bowler from Yorkshire CCC.
I don't subscribe to this so can't see the full article but the bit you can see is interesting.
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/county-cricket-premium/essex_endeavouring_deliver_racism_report_sanctions_january.html
While none of the perpetrators are named, The Cricketer understands they include a former chair, an ex-head coach, a current player and a member of the coaching staff
The last two seem pretty easy to indentify, you'd think.
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Current player and (current) member of the coaching staff?! Surely not.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/67680372
"One of the former Essex players subjected to racial abuse at the club says youngsters of today must never have to go through the same experience.
Jahid Ahmed was among three players whose allegations of mistreatment led to an independent investigation.
The inquiry's findings were published last week
and the club admitted serious errors had been made in the past.
"Unfortunately these things will never leave you, it will stick with you forever," Ahmed told BBC Essex.
"When people bully you or racially abuse you, these are things you're never going to forget. ...."
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Good to see Droopy Dobell making hay out of this. No names, just inferences.
Current player? Was any of the current squad playing for the club when these hard done by whistleblowers were being abused?
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Good to see Droopy Dobell making hay out of this. No names, just inferences.
Current player? Was any of the current squad playing for the club when these hard done by whistleblowers were being abused?
I can think of one or two current/recent players who were.
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Good to see Droopy Dobell making hay out of this. No names, just inferences.
Current player? Was any of the current squad playing for the club when these hard done by whistleblowers were being abused?
I can think of one or two current/recent players who were.
Chef and Westley? Browne/Porter? I?m assuming that you have brought up Little Chef to be more respectful?
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At the AGM they said they are naming one side of the ground The Sir Alastair Cook end and the other The Graham Gooch end, I cannot think they would be doing this if either of them was named in the report.
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At the AGM they said they are naming one side of the ground The Sir Alastair Cook end and the other The Graham Gooch end, I cannot think they would be doing this if either of them was named in the report.
Ah you?re optimistically assuming a rationality about the club management that the rest of us don?t necessarily share.
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Any chance of the Alan Lilley Catering Suite?
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Any chance of the Alan Lilley Catering Suite?
Ohhhh! What?s he doing now?
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How about the Alex Tudor treatment room
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Any chance of the Alan Lilley Catering Suite?
Perhaps more appropriate for the physiotherapy suite. After all, he was "hands on" boss.
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Any chance of the Alan Lilley Catering Suite?
Perhaps more appropriate for the physiotherapy suite. After all, he was "hands on" boss.
I resisted?the obvious joke, that is!
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-13092285/Essex-double-standards-racism-cases-report-slurs-dressing-room-banter.html
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-13092285/Essex-double-standards-racism-cases-report-slurs-dressing-room-banter.html
Well, these accusations amount to ?slurs? if there is no concrete evidence? Good on Michael Vaughan for standing up for his good name?I never thought I?d say that.
I?m not necessarily surprised that inappropriate things were said given the shambolic running of the club, but this sounds like unnecessary sh**stirring now.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-13092285/Essex-double-standards-racism-cases-report-slurs-dressing-room-banter.html
So, after the independently recommended sanctions have been implemented against individuals the 'Cricket Regulator' will review and possibly add their own sanctions.
What a nonsense.
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Is 'salad dodger' a (racial) slur?!
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Is 'salad dodger' a (racial) slur?!
Might be weightist?!?!
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Essex County Cricket Club (Essex CCC) can confirm that sanctions have been imposed against the individuals implicated in Katharine Newton KC?s independent review into historic allegations of racism.
Following the publication of Ms Newton?s report on 08 December 2023, the Club commissioned an independent committee who recommended disciplinary measures.
While the individuals are not named to align with the anonymised report, Essex CCC takes allegations of racism extremely seriously and the measures are a further commitment to creating an inclusive and welcoming club for everyone.
Essex CCC have shared the measures with the England and Wales Cricket Board and reaffirms its pledge to promoting equality, diversity, and inclusion within cricket to prevent such incidents from occurring in the future.
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They?ve been given ?a bit of a slap?, metaphorically?
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Essex County Cricket Club (Essex CCC) can confirm that sanctions have been imposed against the individuals implicated in Katharine Newton KC?s independent review into historic allegations of racism.
Can understand not naming individuals, but what do the sanctions consist, fines ?
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No doubt the sanctions will be the same as it was suggested to me that I might be sanctioned for complaining too much as to how the club was run on and off the field, back in the dark ages. I responded that I would be as worried as much as if I was threatened with excommunication.
This is not a court of law and anyone can tell them to stuff their fines. As to other sanctions such as a ban. They can always seek a judicial review alleging restraint of trade. The Cricket authorities are good ay defending those actions. It really worked with Kerry Packer.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cmllvz41k72o
Essex have been charged over allegations relating to racist language or conduct at the club between 2001 and 2010.
The charges have been brought by the Cricket Regulator, accusing Essex of breaching England and Wales Cricket Board directive 3.3.
It states that "no participant may conduct themself in a manner, do any act or make any omission at any time which is improper or which may be prejudicial to the interests of cricket or which may bring the ECB, the game of cricket or any cricketer or group of cricketers into disrepute."
Essex say they have co-operated fully with the regulator and would continue to do so.
The case will now be heard by an independent Cricket Discipline Commission and the club said in a statement that they would "participate willingly".
The statement added: "There will be no further comment from the club at this time."
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Chief executive John Stephenson says Essex will never publicly name former players and staff members allegedly involved in racist behaviour.
The club have been charged with breaching England and Wales Cricket Board rules relating to racist language or conduct between 2001 and 2010.
The case will now be heard by an independent Cricket Discipline Commission.
Stephenson told BBC Essex Sport that a decision over whether to admit the charge would be taken at a board meeting later this week.
Essex commissioned their own inquiry into the issues, culminating in a report by Katharine Newton KC, published in December, which concluded that a number of the club's former players were victims of racist abuse and discriminatory treatment.
Jahid Ahmed, Maurice Chambers and Zoheb Sharif were among those whose allegations prompted the inquiry, but the report did not identify any victims or perpetrators by name.
"That?s never going to come out," said Stephenson.
"We have to think about the welfare of the individuals - we've taken a lot of advice on that in terms of data privacy and there will be nothing more said on that."
Stephenson has been chief executive at Chelmsford since the autumn of 2021, having previously worked for the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC).
How will anyone know if any punishments have been instigated, if nobody knows was proved guilty ?
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I'm quite woke but I have to say this is a nonsense.
The club has spent a fortune reviewing and exposing the historical wrongdoing. Now as thanks for doing the right thing the club gets charged, surely the club should be congratulated? I understand the shared responsibility of individual and employer but what more could the club do? I don't believe any of the 2001 to 2010 incidents were reported and ignored?
It will now knock another hole in the accounts as we will need professional help to front up to the kangaroo court.
Is there a risk of another charge for the Farragher incident where the club has been found negligent? That was a different time span completely.
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Points deduction incoming?
Hope not, but has to be a possibility.
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Points deduction incoming?
Hope not, but has to be a possibility.
If the club decide to admit the charge, the smart move I think would be to lobby the ICDC if possible for a heavier fine rather than any points deduction, citing sporting integrity and not punishing the current playing squad undeservedly.
I have no idea how these cases work from a timescale point of view, but I assume admitting the charge would mean punishment sooner rather than later, whilst contesting it would drag it out longer, possibly past the end of the season, thus dodging any points deduction this year.
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I'm quite woke but I have to say this is a nonsense.
The club has spent a fortune reviewing and exposing the historical wrongdoing. Now as thanks for doing the right thing the club gets charged, surely the club should be congratulated? I understand the shared responsibility of individual and employer but what more could the club do? I don't believe any of the 2001 to 2010 incidents were reported and ignored?
It will now knock another hole in the accounts as we will need professional help to front up to the kangaroo court.
Is there a risk of another charge for the Farragher incident where the club has been found negligent? That was a different time span completely.
Totally agree. Things were not right in the dressing room or the club at that time. These may not be players who were going to make it, but clearly I wouldn?t want to have been at the club at the time: favouritism and the opposite are very northern?although is ?northern? a protected characteristic? Given the boot was put into Yorkshire even makes me very worried.
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I understand the ex coach was the one many wanted to go long before he did and a convicted cheat of an os leggie was another but who is the current staff members meant to be.
Someone mentions an ex Yorkie bowler but I can't think anyone who fits the bill other than a serving umpire, someone who was briefly on loan and never played again or someone who was most recently employed to help resurrect Yorkshire own image.
Obviously without naming names.
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https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/13217285/essex-fined-100000-for-systemic-racism-over-nine-year-period
?100000 fine, ?50000 of it suspended. The panel said it was unable to apply sporting sanctions such as points deductions.. Whether that means that's the end of it I'm not sure?
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Was expecting worse. If it's possible, happy with that.
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That's a massive let-off if true. But ultimately another financial dagger that we simply cannot afford. What are we going to do?
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I was also expecting a lot worse. 50K is still a lot for Essex, but I suspect they may have planned for a lot more.
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Could have been a lot worse ,100k, is Senior pro , or overseas players wages.
Did the Newton Report save the club a hefty fine although it has cost the club 1m ?
In comparison
In July last year, Yorkshire were fined ?400,000 - ?300,000 suspended for two years - and docked 48 Championship points and four in the T20 Blast over their handling of allegations of discrimination by former player Azeem Rafiq, and a failure to address the systemic use of racist and discriminatory language over a prolonged period between 2004 and 2021.
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Was expecting worse. If it's possible, happy with that.
Ditto.
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Essex have been fined ?100,000 - ?50,000 of which is suspended for two years - following allegations of systemic and longstanding racism and discrimination within the club.
Is it two instalments of 50k or just 50k ?
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Have just had this e-mail but not mention of the sanctions:
Essex County Cricket Club today received the sanctions handed down by the independent Cricket Discipline Commission (CDC) following the Club's admission to historic use of racist and discriminatory language and conduct.
There is deep regret for what occurred in the past, but these events do not reflect the Essex Cricket of today. The Club have accepted the sanctions and remains committed to tackling all forms of discrimination and is fully aligned with the ECB?s goal of making cricket the country?s most inclusive team sport.
We have made significant progress in achieving these aims in the communities we represent through our excellent outreach work, as well as building a workplace that values and respects every individual. Essex Cricket will continue to move forward as the best open, inclusive, and diverse organisation we can possibly be.
We remain fully committed to working towards positive and lasting change. This is a responsibility we take seriously, and we will continue to engage with all those affected, our community and stakeholders to ensure that the progress already made in recent years is upheld and further strengthened.
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/essex-hit-with-100-000-fine-after-being-found-guilty-of-systemic-racism-1451500
Essex have been fined ?100,000, ?50,000 of which is suspended for two years, after being sanctioned by the Cricket Discipline Commission (CDC) for systemic and longstanding racism and discrimination within the club.
The punishment comes in the wake of an independent report, compiled by Katherine Newton KC and published in December 2023, which centred on the testimony of three former players, one of whom was nicknamed "Bomber" due to his South Asian heritage, and another taunted with bananas for being Black.
The club was charged with a breach of ECB Directive 3.3 during the years 2001 to 2010, for "conduct, acts or omissions which may be prejudicial to the interests of cricket or which may bring the game of cricket or any cricketer or group of cricketers into disrepute".
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"Because Essex's charges were, unlike Yorkshire's, all related to allegations prior to 2020 the panel did not have the power to impose points deductions."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c4g921vy0yzo
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The key point which gets Essex off a points deduction is this
"The sanctions available to the CDC in respect of paragraph 8(iv)(b) and (c) [variation of results and deduction of points] above only relate to
Match(es) already played by the Member in the season that the breach occurred. Wording
permitting the CDC to apply any such variation of result or alteration of points to future editions
of a competition was only introduced into the CDC Regulations from 2020 onwards. As a result, it
was not within the Panel?s powers to impose any points deductions in this case."
Yorkshire's offences went up to 2021 whereas Essex's only went up to 2010.
To use a legal technicality, "phew"......
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Could?ve been worse. Jettison one passenger on the staff and job done.
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Essex have been fined ?100,000 - ?50,000 of which is suspended for two years - following allegations of systemic and longstanding racism and discrimination within the club.
Is it two instalments of 50k or just 50k ?
I thought we pay ?50,000, and if we keep our nose clean for 2 years, ie no further offences, we pay no more. Or am I reading it wrong.?
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Essex have been fined ?100,000 - ?50,000 of which is suspended for two years - following allegations of systemic and longstanding racism and discrimination within the club.
Is it two instalments of 50k or just 50k ?
I thought we pay ?50,000, and if we keep our nose clean for 2 years, ie no further offences, we pay no more. Or am I reading it wrong.?
That's how I read it and the CEO has gone so that must have saved some cash.
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Essex have been fined ?100,000 - ?50,000 of which is suspended for two years - following allegations of systemic and longstanding racism and discrimination within the club.
Is it two instalments of 50k or just 50k ?
Suspended means we only get it if we transgress aga8n.
So 50k
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Given the whipping up of tensions and faux hysteria about all this we have got off lightly given the way the wind is blowing on this front so should be happy I guess, but really if a cold hard objective view was taken not pandering to he said she said and the burden of proof rather than allegations instantly being believed then we shouldn't be facing any penalty.
How many members do we have? 20 quid each covers this I'd contribute.
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Given the whipping up of tensions and faux hysteria about all this we have got off lightly given the way the wind is blowing on this front so should be happy I guess, but really if a cold hard objective view was taken not pandering to he said she said and the burden of proof rather than allegations instantly being believed then we shouldn't be facing any penalty.
How many members do we have? 20 quid each covers this I'd contribute.
No, the guilty should cough up. Surely we fined them ..
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Given the whipping up of tensions and faux hysteria about all this we have got off lightly given the way the wind is blowing on this front so should be happy I guess, but really if a cold hard objective view was taken not pandering to he said she said and the burden of proof rather than allegations instantly being believed then we shouldn't be facing any penalty.
How many members do we have? 20 quid each covers this I'd contribute.
There were a number of players interviewed in this Newton report. It is highly likely to get to this stage that a number of the people interviewed corroborated the stories. From what has been said since the Rafiq affair these kind of things happened all over English cricket during this time and so it?s highly likely the allegations are true. What does seem unfair is that Essex and Yorkshire are the ones that have been punished for it when it?s pretty clear that this was commonplace.
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Given the whipping up of tensions and faux hysteria about all this we have got off lightly given the way the wind is blowing on this front so should be happy I guess, but really if a cold hard objective view was taken not pandering to he said she said and the burden of proof rather than allegations instantly being believed then we shouldn't be facing any penalty.
How many members do we have? 20 quid each covers this I'd contribute.
There were a number of players interviewed in this Newton report. It is highly likely to get to this stage that a number of the people interviewed corroborated the stories. From what has been said since the Rafiq affair these kind of things happened all over English cricket during this time and so it?s highly likely the allegations are true. What does seem unfair is that Essex and Yorkshire are the ones that have been punished for it when it?s pretty clear that this was commonplace.
I agree - I certainly heard comments about our players from opposition players and supporters - such 'banter' was common. These players need to report it ..
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Given the whipping up of tensions and faux hysteria about all this we have got off lightly given the way the wind is blowing on this front so should be happy I guess, but really if a cold hard objective view was taken not pandering to he said she said and the burden of proof rather than allegations instantly being believed then we shouldn't be facing any penalty.
How many members do we have? 20 quid each covers this I'd contribute.
There were a number of players interviewed in this Newton report. It is highly likely to get to this stage that a number of the people interviewed corroborated the stories. From what has been said since the Rafiq affair these kind of things happened all over English cricket during this time and so it?s highly likely the allegations are true. What does seem unfair is that Essex and Yorkshire are the ones that have been punished for it when it?s pretty clear that this was commonplace.
My point is that it's a complete overreaction to some of which may be true or not. Its not nice and shouldnt happen but the reaction is a hysterical witchhunt such is the popular cause so a compete ott waste of money enquiry has been done that benefits nonone but the lawyers.
t's funny how the likes of ravi never made claims and its inky those with an axe to grind....
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Given the whipping up of tensions and faux hysteria about all this we have got off lightly given the way the wind is blowing on this front so should be happy I guess, but really if a cold hard objective view was taken not pandering to he said she said and the burden of proof rather than allegations instantly being believed then we shouldn't be facing any penalty.
How many members do we have? 20 quid each covers this I'd contribute.
No, the guilty should cough up. Surely we fined them ..
Doubt it. That?s the real problem lack of leadership at the time. Retrospective action would just cost more money.
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Given the whipping up of tensions and faux hysteria about all this we have got off lightly given the way the wind is blowing on this front so should be happy I guess, but really if a cold hard objective view was taken not pandering to he said she said and the burden of proof rather than allegations instantly being believed then we shouldn't be facing any penalty.
How many members do we have? 20 quid each covers this I'd contribute.
No, the guilty should cough up. Surely we fined them ..
Doubt it. That?s the real problem lack of leadership at the time. Retrospective action would just cost more money.
The report says they were sanctioned - that should have included a fine at the very least.
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The report covers a time when the club was badly run, both in the committee room and in the playing department. Many of us on here said that repeatedly, calling for EGM's votes of no confidence etc. It was also a period of little playing success and repeated deadbeat signings. Eventually from 2016 a much better committee and coaching structure was in place and playing success followed. This is unlikely to be coincidental. It's the then cricket committee (especially them rather than the main one) and coaching staff who failed to see that there was a bad atmosphere around the place because they were enjoying a complacent existence with their mates. It would be good if they collectively picked up the tab (which of course is much more than the fine) but as has been said above, trying to achieve that would merely enrich our learned friends even more. Let's move on, start 2025 with a clean sheet and hope that the dressing room culture is now better.
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Given the whipping up of tensions and faux hysteria about all this we have got off lightly given the way the wind is blowing on this front so should be happy I guess, but really if a cold hard objective view was taken not pandering to he said she said and the burden of proof rather than allegations instantly being believed then we shouldn't be facing any penalty.
How many members do we have? 20 quid each covers this I'd contribute.
No, the guilty should cough up. Surely we fined them ..
Doubt it. That?s the real problem lack of leadership at the time. Retrospective action would just cost more money.
The report says they were sanctioned - that should have included a fine at the very least.
Not sure how you could fine them if no longer an employee. LG, DK and the others are not at the club.