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Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: dazedpenguin on June 08, 2023, 07:37:58 PM
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The last game before championship cricket returns on Sunday. Lawrence is back with the England squad. No Rossington, so presumably he'll miss the 4 day game on Sunday too:
Harmer, Allison, Buttleman, Cook, Critchley, Das, Khushi, Nijjar, Pepper, Rymell, Sams, Snater, Walter, Westley
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I hope Rossington doesn’t play in the CL. He is a bang average keeper and contributes nothing with the bat. I’ve always felt we could get relegated this season but still think there may be 2 poorer sides. There will be times when Sam Cook and Simon Harmer can’t bail us out of the trouble that out poor batting gets us into. It’s time to blood Khushi, Das and Pepper and bring back Walter and get them to batter sensibly. Stylish 20s are a waste of time. Walter, Cook, Westley, Khushi, Critchley, Das, Pepper, Harmer, Bracewell, Cook and one of Snater/Porter. Fifth bowler would be Walter/Critchley. Sadly Browne will play and they’ll probably play 4 seamers meaning with have the poorest batting line up in the division
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I hope Rossington doesn’t play in the CL. He is a bang average keeper and contributes nothing with the bat. I’ve always felt we could get relegated this season but still think there may be 2 poorer sides. There will be times when Sam Cook and Simon Harmer can’t bail us out of the trouble that out poor batting gets us into. It’s time to blood Khushi, Das and Pepper and bring back Walter and get them to batter sensibly. Stylish 20s are a waste of time. Walter, Cook, Westley, Khushi, Critchley, Das, Pepper, Harmer, Bracewell, Cook and one of Snater/Porter. Fifth bowler would be Walter/Critchley. Sadly Browne will play and they’ll probably play 4 seamers meaning with have the poorest batting line up in the division
I would presume the reason Pepper didn't keep the other night is that he's still struggling a bit with the injury he missed the start of the T20 with. If he's not keeping in T20 then it must be very doubtful he can keep in 4 day cricket. Buttleman may have to play.
You would think with the dry weather we've had, we'd be able to produce a wicket that helps the spinners, which would mean only having to play 3 seamers and using Critchley a lot more. Somerset wont have Leach and it seems very obvious that the best chance we have of winning is to produce a turner.
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If Buttleman plays you wouldn't want him at 6, which makes playing 4 seamers a bit of a risk.
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Hat tricks for the Harminator and Little Chef most recently, so what is required now is a Eagle hat trick of wins .
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Hat tricks for the Harminator and Little Chef most recently, so what is required now is a Eagle hat trick of wins .
Good chance it comes down to Essex or Glamorgan for who qualifies. Somerset, Hampshire and Surrey will probably qualify. Kent, Middlesex and Sussex probably wont. Not sure that Gloucester are that great so it may come down to us and Glamorgan. We play them in our next two matches.
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Essex won the toss and will bat. Rymell in for Lawrence and Buttleman keeps again:
Khushi, Das, Pepper, Rymell, Walter, Critchley, Sams, Buttleman, Harmer, Snater, Cook
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Westley seems to have disappeared. Can’t believe Rymell would be picked ahead of him.
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Apparently Westley is fit and in the squad. It's a very inexperienced top 4. Rymell has only played one T20 game.
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Hat tricks for the Harminator and Little Chef most recently, so what is required now is a Eagle hat trick of wins .
Good chance it comes down to Essex or Glamorgan for who qualifies. Somerset, Hampshire and Surrey will probably qualify. Kent, Middlesex and Sussex probably wont. Not sure that Gloucester are that great so it may come down to us and Glamorgan. We play them in our next two matches.
It's a weird South group this year. Three excellent teams, three terrible teams and three middling teams, us being one of them. As a result it will probably take a bigger points tally than usual to qualify with the net-run-rate being a problem for us. We still have to play Middlesex twice, so as long as we win one of the next two against Glammy, we should be favourites to get fourth spot with our remaining fixtures. That's as far as we'll go though, because whoever we get in the quarters will absolutely pump us.
I'm always an advocate for giving young players a go but that's a mighty inexperienced top four especially on a ground like Cardiff, where we haven't won in T20 since 2016...
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It seems crazy to ask if 227 is going to be enough, but that pitch looks like it has a lot of runs in it. I think the Essex attack, and the fielding, should be better than Glamorgan, but with the likes of Colin Ingram you never know.
Fantastic innings from Walter and Pepper and an entertaining cameo from Das. Another hat trick would be handy.
One of the commentators said Westley is carrying an injury. Rymell did have a bit of a nightmare today, but I hope he gets a chance to make amends.
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Phew. An easy win in the end, but after the power play I was starting to wonder. The bowlers came back well after an early mauling. A really good team performance. Well set for 4th at the moment with Glamorgan at home and Middlesex to come after the championship game. The run rate might still be a problem.
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This seems a very creditable win for Essex who held their nerve after Glamorgan went off like a train, but 225 is a very challenging score, and from 158-4, The pressure told on Glamorgan, as they lost their last 6 wickets for 17 runs.
Very good match for Walter, match changing innings and two crucial wickets. If he can keep himself fit, who knows we still might surprise a few teams.
This is typical Essex. Never know what they will dish up. Keep us guessing lads.
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Meanwhile...elsewhere...
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Ravi is proving yet again why we were wise not to make him our captain.
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Did to them exactly what Hampshire did to us. That’s what happens when you put substantial runs on the board. You can have a good start but all it takes is a couple of wickets/good overs and scoreboard pressure does the rest.
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A wins a win.
MOTM Walter almost pulls out off another hat trick. Great team effort. Just when getting in the swing of things red ball reappears.
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... Just when getting in the swing of things red ball reappears.
That's what you and others wanted, red ball cricket throughout the season.
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Silly question, but what would the problem be with playing say 1 red ball game and 1 white ball each week through the season? A bit like when they used to run JPL and CC through the season with some brief pauses for B&H and Gillette? If players are continually playing both short and long cricket in all conditions, then the arguments about it being difficult to adjust should drop away they just get used to both. White ball every Friday night, red ball every Sunday to Weds? People would even know when games were due to happen.
The only problem I could see would be that the overseas players in white ball would not just be signed for a few weeks they would have to be around all season - and maybe even double up as the CC overseas.
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Silly question, but what would the problem be with playing say 1 red ball game and 1 white ball each week through the season? A bit like when they used to run JPL and CC through the season with some brief pauses for B&H and Gillette? If players are continually playing both short and long cricket in all conditions, then the arguments about it being difficult to adjust should drop away they just get used to both. White ball every Friday night, red ball every Sunday to Weds? People would even know when games were due to happen.
The only problem I could see would be that the overseas players in white ball would not just be signed for a few weeks they would have to be around all season - and maybe even double up as the CC overseas.
Spot on
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Thank you Slogger.
I have a question for Aztec - or any other statistician - as well please arising from this match. Specifically the last over of the Essex innings.
The scorecards on BBC and Cricinfo show Buttleman as having scored 10 not out from 3 and Cook as not having faced a ball. And if you look at the Cricinfo commentary it says the last ball of the innings was faced by Buttleman and was a bye.
Surely Snater was run out off a wide at the striker's end off what would have been the last ball except for being a wide, Cook came in to replace him at the striker's end and faced the last ball and should be shown as 0 from 1 and Buttleman only faced 4 6 and wide so should be shown as 10 from 2 as wides don't count as balls faced?
Please advise.
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I just watched the replay and Sam faced the last ball.
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Silly question, but what would the problem be with playing say 1 red ball game and 1 white ball each week through the season? A bit like when they used to run JPL and CC through the season with some brief pauses for B&H and Gillette? If players are continually playing both short and long cricket in all conditions, then the arguments about it being difficult to adjust should drop away they just get used to both. White ball every Friday night, red ball every Sunday to Weds? People would even know when games were due to happen.
The only problem I could see would be that the overseas players in white ball would not just be signed for a few weeks they would have to be around all season - and maybe even double up as the CC overseas.
We've had this before when the four competitions were the CC, T20, Pro 40 and ODC. The players hated it, having to switch between red and white ball cricket so often, said it had a detrimental effect on performance levels and the standard of cricket, especially with the amount of travel involved and lack of dedicated practice/recovery time. That's why we moved to blocks around ten years ago when the T20 comp got rebranded to the 'T20 Blast' and the Pro40 got canned. Plus the overseas issue as you mentioned.
I feel a bit sorry for Glamorgan. Whilst we have the comfort of a home match against Somerset before the reverse Blast fixture, Glamorgan have to go to Durham for four days before trekking it to Chelmsford with just one day's rest. Should theoretically put them at a disadvantage for next Friday.
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It gives Glamorgan the incentive to win in 3 days and get an extra day off!
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... Just when getting in the swing of things red ball reappears.
That's what you and others wanted, red ball cricket throughout the season.
My point being a red ball game followed by another batch of white ball does not help anyone gaining momentum.
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Silly question, but what would the problem be with playing say 1 red ball game and 1 white ball each week through the season? A bit like when they used to run JPL and CC through the season with some brief pauses for B&H and Gillette? If players are continually playing both short and long cricket in all conditions, then the arguments about it being difficult to adjust should drop away they just get used to both. White ball every Friday night, red ball every Sunday to Weds? People would even know when games were due to happen.
The only problem I could see would be that the overseas players in white ball would not just be signed for a few weeks they would have to be around all season - and maybe even double up as the CC overseas.
We've had this before when the four competitions were the CC, T20, Pro 40 and ODC. The players hated it, having to switch between red and white ball cricket so often, said it had a detrimental effect on performance levels and the standard of cricket, especially with the amount of travel involved and lack of dedicated practice/recovery time. That's why we moved to blocks around ten years ago when the T20 comp got rebranded to the 'T20 Blast' and the Pro40 got canned. Plus the overseas issue as you mentioned.
I feel a bit sorry for Glamorgan. Whilst we have the comfort of a home match against Somerset before the reverse Blast fixture, Glamorgan have to go to Durham for four days before trekking it to Chelmsford with just one day's rest. Should theoretically put them at a disadvantage for next Friday.
We're feeling sorry for Essex, with the number of games they've had to shoehorn in since the Ireland match, also with little rest.
Lynda and Steve
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I just watched the replay and Sam faced the last ball.
Yes, the official scorecard is wrong. Cook faced the last ball and ran a bye. Buttleman faced 2 balls and then a wide, which got him up the bowlers end as Snater was run out.
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Thanks. Now we have established that the official scorecard is wrong, is there any process for getting it corrected? Or is it too late, whatever channels we were to go through? Can we go through the club or the ECB for instance? I know it is a small error, but it would be nice to have it right.
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Could send a message to Aztec under the Essex stats header asking him to evaluate.