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Title: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: mawallace on July 06, 2022, 10:07:42 AM
Looks like it will be a 'weaker' Lancs side. Missing from their team:-

Buttler
Salt
Livingstone
Gleeson
Parkinson
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: nat on July 06, 2022, 10:51:12 AM
Good.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 06, 2022, 11:03:43 AM
They'll still have a good side, with Tim David capable of winning the game on his own, but I wouldn't have rated Essex's chances against Buttler, Salt and Livingstone. It's a shame for the tournament that so many players are missing, for this match and for the other QFs, but the chance of another finals day is a lot greater (50/50 I reckon).
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: Heisenberg on July 06, 2022, 08:47:03 PM
Jennings, Bohannon, Croft, Vilas, David, Wells, Lamb, L.Wood, Hartley, Bailey and Bell/Jones/Hurt/W.Williams
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 08, 2022, 08:10:04 AM
Matt Critchley is in the squad:

Harmer, Allison, Beard, Benkenstein, Cook, Critchley, Das, Lawrence, Nijjar, Pepper, Rossington, Sams, Walter, Westley
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: nat on July 08, 2022, 08:53:27 AM
Matt Critchley is in the squad:

Harmer, Allison, Beard, Benkenstein, Cook, Critchley, Das, Lawrence, Nijjar, Pepper, Rossington, Sams, Walter, Westley

Can't see Benkenstein playing, he's get panned in the 2XI. Nor Das. So, one of Nijjar, Allison or Beard.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: SirChef26 on July 08, 2022, 09:10:34 AM
From the side that beat Glamorgan, either Das or Allison will drop out I imagine depending on whether we want an extra bat or bowler.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: CostaDelEssex on July 08, 2022, 11:00:41 AM
Lawrence or Westley need to open with Rossington - with the assurance of Critch back in the middle order
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: Niel01 on July 08, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
With Critchley back team selection will be interesting. Probably makes sense for Das to miss out. However our strategy seems to be for an opener with Rossington who will throw the bat - guess that Sams may be best suited for that without disrupting the successful team order too much. Look to have plenty of bowling options, but to leave out Allison would leave us short on seamers.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 08, 2022, 02:02:25 PM
Lancashire squad (Heisenberg's predicted team looks spot on): Dane Vilas*, Tom Bailey, Josh Bohannon, Steven Croft, Tim David, Tom Hartley, Liam Hurt, Keaton Jennings, Rob Jones, Danny Lamb, Jack Morley, Luke Wells, Luke Wood

They say they're STILL waiting on the ECB's decision about releasing players. It's leaving things a bit late. Maybe Salt and Gleeson will be released? Apparently David Willey was released about 3PM yesterday.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: nat on July 08, 2022, 02:19:18 PM
... Apparently David Willey was released about 3PM yesterday.
I know the ECB are useless but even they wouldn't release a player AFTER a game was played!
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 08, 2022, 04:18:39 PM
Oh you know what I mean Nat  :D The days all blur into one.

Anyway, Phil Salt has been released to play tonight. It would have been better had he been released tomorrow…
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 08, 2022, 05:08:33 PM
Essex won the toss and will bat.

Critchley listed on the team sheet to open with Rossington.

Rossington, Critchley, Pepper, Lawrence, Walter, Westley, Sams, Harmer, Beard, Allison, Cook

Lancashire:

Salt, Jennings, Croft, Vilas, David, Jones, Wells, Lamb, Wood, Hartley, Bailey
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: Niel01 on July 08, 2022, 05:22:24 PM
We won the Toss - first in nine - won’t beat Nasser’s record after all !!
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: kingstonj1 on July 08, 2022, 06:39:28 PM
Awful!!
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 08, 2022, 06:56:12 PM
Not an easy pitch, but 161 not likely to be enough. If Salt and Jennings get going, they might not even need David.

But then with Harmer you just never know.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: essexfan548 on July 08, 2022, 07:00:16 PM
Pepper stumped by Salt ....
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: kingstonj1 on July 08, 2022, 07:38:13 PM
Not an easy pitch, but 161 not likely to be enough. If Salt and Jennings get going, they might not even need David.

But then with Harmer you just never know.

Nothing wrong with the pitch at all. Wrong decision to bat. Awful performance! But they have done well to get this far. But Lancs are nothing special.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: Niel01 on July 08, 2022, 08:02:00 PM
Being utterly outplayed - Men against boys. Almost an embarrassingly poor performance, but suppose can’t really complain since have got this far. Sky commentary irritatingly biased towards Lancashire.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: nat on July 08, 2022, 08:19:09 PM
Back to some proper cricket in a couple of days.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 08, 2022, 08:19:17 PM
Oh well. About right for the season and well played to get this far. I hope the team learns from
it and gets better. I was a big supporter of his, but Daniel Sams has been disappointing.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: spirali on July 08, 2022, 08:24:41 PM
Well that was pretty sobering. Not even in the frame.  Didn't think 161 would be enough - we needed someone to go on and play a major innings - but even so I thought we might push them harder than that. Croft playing the sort of innings we've rarely seen from our own batsmen in this format.

As others have said we'd probably punched above our weight to get this far. Have to hope we can get a more effective overseas player next year. Over the whole tournament, Sams put in one superb all-round performance, but very little else.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: Heisenberg on July 08, 2022, 09:08:33 PM
Sams so poor again with the ball. Such a disappointing signing.

Not sure why no Khushi?

Overall, not too bad to reach the QF stage with this squad. Rossington and Critchley have definitely improved the side.

Pepper fantastic and has emerged well.

Good to see Walter improving too.

We are not far away from challenging. A better overseas player and one more senior quality fast bowler and we would be up there.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: SirChef26 on July 09, 2022, 01:06:09 AM
Harmer made a mistake at the toss as the ball looked to be skidding on, but even if we bowled first it probably would have been beyond us as we'd have been chasing 185 bare minimum bowling as we did. We were out bowled, out batted and out fielded. Allison again was ruthlessly targeted but he brings it upon himself by bowling absolute filth. Should be nowhere near the team and he cost us again, the players clearly gave up and let their heads drop after he shipped another 15 odd from his second over midway through Lancs' innings.

Sams was Neesham mark two, won one or two games, but out of a possible 15 that's not good enough from an overseas, plus he's cost us games (Somerset at home which ultimately denied us a home draw). It's just unacceptable for an overseas to go for 19 runs in one over of a quarter-final. We need to stop wasting our second OS spot on mediocre all-rounders and either get a world class fast bowler (preferably a left-armer like Boult, Shaheen, Amir), or an opening partner for Rossington who can hit boundaries in their sleep. Someone like Aaron Finch (Aussie white ball players should be free next June/July as that's rumoured to be when the Ashes takes place.

Progress though! I really did expect a 8th/9th place finish so they greatly exceeded my expectations, I believe mainly due to the powerful impact of full crowds returning to Chelmsford which we greatly suffered without in 2020 and 2021. In Pepper we've found one for the long haul as well. They need to learn how to win on big grounds though and find a consistent overseas player who can win more than just a couple of games a season if we are to go any further.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: bwildered on July 09, 2022, 07:43:25 AM
 Batting first unfortunately means that it takes several overs to work out how the wicket is playing, especially at a way location in which we are not regular visitors due to the T20 north south divide. Sadly the top order suffered in working out the slow pitch which unfortunately nobody got the vital big score, has all made starts but did not progress.
Lancs had not lost at home in T20 for two years, which tells what a home tie a advantage is at this stage.
Overall campaign, still room for improvement but much more good performances than bad, the out fielding at times was outstanding. One game away from finals day must be progress considering several new young players now developing to the new squad.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: honkytonk on July 09, 2022, 08:18:59 AM
Sams was disappointing in the end.  Looking at him and Neesham, we basically got what we should have expected. Both are capable of being match winners with bat and ball, but that is few and far between. Thats not a criticism, its how they have been their whole career.  I think we need to decide what we want, a batter or a bowler. We are trying to cover all basses with an "all rounder" but we end up covering neither. We are not far away, but we need a rethink of the OS  for me.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: Andy on July 09, 2022, 01:01:38 PM
Spin is king at Old Trafford. Except when they ploughed the wicket in 1976.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: essexfan548 on July 09, 2022, 08:57:20 PM
Siddle took 3 for 10 in his two overs in the Somerset QF
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 09, 2022, 09:31:38 PM
Spare a thought for Matt McKiernan: figures of 4-0-82-0. The most expensive 4 overs in T20 history.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: JasonP on July 09, 2022, 09:44:23 PM
Spare a thought for Matt McKiernan: figures of 4-0-82-0. The most expensive 4 overs in T20 history.

More runs conceded by one bowler than the whole team scored in reply.  Has that ever happened before?
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: SirChef26 on July 09, 2022, 11:23:21 PM
Some spell for Scrimshaw though, can't see him being at Derby for much longer.

Wonderful knock from Roussouw, that's what you expect from your overseas pro in a pressure game, 600 runs across the comp now including seven 50s.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: honkytonk on July 10, 2022, 07:38:26 AM
Some spell for Scrimshaw though, can't see him being at Derby for much longer.

Wonderful knock from Roussouw, that's what you expect from your overseas pro in a pressure game, 600 runs across the comp now including seven 50s.

Agree. Thats what we are missing.  Our OS have the ability but lack consistency.  We need someone that you know will go out and perform game after game
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: LeedsExile on July 10, 2022, 09:17:42 AM
It is such a lottery. Roussouw never did much at Hampshire.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: spirali on July 10, 2022, 09:42:34 AM
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Roussouw never did much at Hampshire

He made a matchwinning hundred for them in the 50-over final in 2018.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 10, 2022, 11:01:44 AM
Spare a thought for Matt McKiernan: figures of 4-0-82-0. The most expensive 4 overs in T20 history.

More runs conceded by one bowler than the whole team scored in reply.  Has that ever happened before?

Unless anyone finds another example, the only other match I can find where this happened was the Czech Republic (278/4) vs Turkey (21) where all of the bowlers went for more than Turkey's total. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/continental-cup-2019-1197819/czech-republic-vs-turkey-6th-match-1197846/full-scorecard
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 10, 2022, 11:28:09 AM
And for completeness, I found another example of one bowler conceding more than their team's total. Excluding matches involving the associate nations:

Trinidad and Tobago (211/3) vs Leeward Islands (44) in 2012. Anthony Martin had figures of 4-0-70-0 which is more than the Leeward Islands total.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/caribbean-t20-2011-12-537231/leeward-islands-vs-trinidad-tobago-group-a-538737/full-scorecard

The match last night was the first time I can find of this happening in a T20 match in England.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: LeedsExile on July 10, 2022, 02:54:22 PM
spirali I listened to the recent Somerset v Hampshire commentary. The Hampshire commentator, Kevin James, who watches all their matches repeatedly said " he never did this for us" when talking about Roussouw. He acknowledged he had the capacity to play a match winning innings like the one you mentioned but said he was never consistent. This season has been remarkable for his run of scores but is an outlier as regards his UK career overall.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: spirali on July 10, 2022, 07:08:51 PM
That may well be true, I can't pretend to have followed his career that closely. I do remember that Lord's final innings though and I suppose I feel a matchwinning hundred in a game like that buys you a fair bit of credit - it's probably worth at least half a season of underperformance in other games. Some otherwise very good players don't perform on big occasions (a persistent feature of Ravi's time at Essex, prior to the 2019 T20 campaign), so those that do tend to have something about them, I think.
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: SirChef26 on July 18, 2022, 02:15:09 AM
Would be remiss of me not to mention Nathan Ellis and Ben McDermott for Hampshire following their Blast win. Ellis with some of the finest death bowling I've seen for a long time in the competition and McDermott after a poor group stage by his standards, turning it on with 61, 32 and 62 across Hampshire's three knockout games. Again, that's why you pay your overseas players the big bucks, because their job is to show up and win you the big games! Not concede 19 runs in an over!!!
Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: Crisp on July 18, 2022, 08:35:15 AM
Would be remiss of me not to mention Nathan Ellis and Ben McDermott for Hampshire following their Blast win. Ellis with some of the finest death bowling I've seen for a long time in the competition and McDermott after a poor group stage by his standards, turning it on with 61, 32 and 62 across Hampshire's three knockout games. Again, that's why you pay your overseas players the big bucks, because their job is to show up and win you the big games! Not concede 19 runs in an over!!!
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Title: Re: Lancs 1/4 final
Post by: nat on July 18, 2022, 09:19:38 AM
Would be remiss of me not to mention Nathan Ellis and Ben McDermott for Hampshire following their Blast win. Ellis with some of the finest death bowling I've seen for a long time in the competition and McDermott after a poor group stage by his standards, turning it on with 61, 32 and 62 across Hampshire's three knockout games. Again, that's why you pay your overseas players the big bucks, because their job is to show up and win you the big games! Not concede 19 runs in an over!!!
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Heard from a very reliable source that our overseas is back again next season

As a lifeguard?