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Title: Fourth Final India
Post by: bwildered on March 04, 2021, 07:31:00 AM
 Essex man Dan gets a recall  now at the NO7 berth in the batting order . Bess also recalled .
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: Oldhasbeen on March 04, 2021, 09:23:54 AM
Didn't see that team selection coming! Better hope  Anderson  or Stokes don't  break down.

166-5 Dan batting well since tea. Looks very  positive
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: bwildered on March 04, 2021, 10:42:10 AM
 Dan gets second highest score of innings, one boundary short of fifty took the bright lights route with a giant swipe.

Notice ECB advertising Blast tickets during breaks . Got to be exclusive to streaming surely . 
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: vim on March 04, 2021, 01:24:57 PM
I saw the ads for the T20. using super slo-mo and the Hubble Space Telescope I saw in the small print that tickets are Covid restrictions dependent.

So if you buy a ticket and a short extension of the road map could have an effect. Will you get your money back?
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: Perov on March 04, 2021, 07:24:53 PM
Depends on the county. Middlesex have pledged refunds, but not heard the Essex policy.
I would guess we would not be treated as generously.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: Andy on March 05, 2021, 10:01:58 AM
Bess is justifying my faith in him, ahem. To what extent is this nerves arising from unexplained yips, or the product of being unceremoniously dumped after the first test.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: bwildered on March 05, 2021, 10:16:15 AM
 Yorkshire will not be impressed, might want a refund on damaged goods.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: nat on March 05, 2021, 11:10:57 AM
Bess is justifying my faith in him, ahem. To what extent is this nerves arising from unexplained yips, or the product of being unceremoniously dumped after the first test.
Nerves. He's a fragile character.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: nat on March 05, 2021, 11:19:08 AM
Bess is justifying my faith in him, ahem. To what extent is this nerves arising from unexplained yips, or the product of being unceremoniously dumped after the first test.
Nerves. He's a fragile character.
The selectors have picked a boy when they needed a man.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: honkytonk on March 05, 2021, 12:00:22 PM
Bess is justifying my faith in him, ahem. To what extent is this nerves arising from unexplained yips, or the product of being unceremoniously dumped after the first test.
Nerves. He's a fragile character.
The selectors have picked a boy when they needed a man.

Shame there are not any around!!
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: SirChef26 on March 05, 2021, 01:56:55 PM
Still think Ben Stokes isn’t an all-rounder Andy?  ;)

We’re in a tough spot regarding Bess. He’s probably not ready to be playing at this high level yet, but they play him because we’ve no other second spinner who can hold a bat and field as well as him. If Virdi and Parkinson could hold a bat then they’d be better options than Bess. Swann could hold a bat, which was why he and Monty worked well in the same side alongside them both being top class bowlers obviously.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: honkytonk on March 05, 2021, 04:24:51 PM
Still think Ben Stokes isn’t an all-rounder Andy?  ;)

We’re in a tough spot regarding Bess. He’s probably not ready to be playing at this high level yet, but they play him because we’ve no other second spinner who can hold a bat and field as well as him. If Virdi and Parkinson could hold a bat then they’d be better options than Bess. Swann could hold a bat, which was why he and Monty worked well in the same side alongside them both being top class bowlers obviously.

If the batting unit could score runs, it would not really matter!!!  We have Lawrence at 7 and Foakes at 8 in this Test.  Parkinson might as well have played and batted 9
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: vim on March 05, 2021, 07:45:11 PM
I see that the England team have excelled themselves with their British Railways style go slow. Are they worried that the game will not last into day 4?
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: bwildered on March 06, 2021, 06:36:29 AM
 Wheels off in lasts session on second day, followed by following morning also. If Bess is bowling to many four balls, might has well given Lawrence some, to help out, could still batting before Stokes in the second innings.
 Long batting line up now under the microscope.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: vim on March 06, 2021, 07:27:06 AM
In the studio for the 2nd test they discussed batsmen bowling. Mark Butcher who had bowled and taken wickets said that whenever he was Captain, he would only put himself onto bowl if he thought the condtions were just right for him.

Of course there is the situation of desperation. There was a test match where England made a worse job of defending a big target than against the West Indies in 1984. It ended up with Len Hutton putting himself on to bowl his leg breaks as all other options had failed.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: bwildered on March 06, 2021, 10:49:47 AM
Improving in the fact it was a three day defeat ! Essex man Dan got his second test fifty. Giving the off field personal, would have expected the defeats would not have been so early or heavy.
The Ashes looming next winter, this series asks more questions than answers, particularly in the batting lineup .
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: SirChef26 on March 06, 2021, 11:20:34 AM
Wonder if Dan will be asked to bat at three for Essex during April/May to get him accustomed to the position. They seem determined to protect golden boy Pope, which means that unless Dan bats three vs New Zealand then he won't play at all.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: nat on March 06, 2021, 01:03:04 PM
Wonder if Dan will be asked to bat at three for Essex during April/May to get him accustomed to the position. They seem determined to protect golden boy Pope, which means that unless Dan bats three vs New Zealand then he won't play at all.
He'll play. Bairstow is finished and Stokes can't bowl and play at no. 5. Burns will probly come back for Sibley. Foakes should stay as the Test wk for now...although I'm not convinced by his batting. Bess will be dropped.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: Andy on March 06, 2021, 02:00:42 PM
Still think Ben Stokes isn’t an all-rounder Andy?  ;)

We’re in a tough spot regarding Bess. He’s probably not ready to be playing at this high level yet, but they play him because we’ve no other second spinner who can hold a bat and field as well as him. If Virdi and Parkinson could hold a bat then they’d be better options than Bess. Swann could hold a bat, which was why he and Monty worked well in the same side alongside them both being top class bowlers obviously.

Ben Stokes did well today.  He shouldn’t have had to bowl 27 overs, how often has he bowled that much in the past year or so?  The inexplicable rotation policy of squad and of team hasn’t helped.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: JasonP on March 06, 2021, 05:07:34 PM
Wonder if Dan will be asked to bat at three for Essex during April/May to get him accustomed to the position. They seem determined to protect golden boy Pope, which means that unless Dan bats three vs New Zealand then he won't play at all.
He'll play. Bairstow is finished and Stokes can't bowl and play at no. 5. Burns will probly come back for Sibley. Foakes should stay as the Test wk for now...although I'm not convinced by his batting. Bess will be dropped.

It will be interesting to see what they take from this tour batting wise.  The Indian bowling, particularly spinners, is far better than Englands and Gill averaged 20, Pujara 22, Rahane 19 and Kohli 29 on these pitches against our attack.  If 4 of India's top 5 average that against our bowling then it's pretty logical that a lot of our batsman will struggle even more against their attack.  I suspect it won't be held too much against the likes of Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Pope etc.  Bairstow was pretty much a subcontinent pick, I think and he'll struggle to play again.
Title: Re: Fourth Final India
Post by: honkytonk on March 06, 2021, 06:22:57 PM
I agree with that.  I think as a unit, this batting line up was on a bit of a hiding to nothing.  Not much Test experience, let alone any in those conditions.  Truth is, I dont see any other test side barring maybe Pakistan giving India a game over there currently. They have some good young seamers but more important, some very good spin options. NZ are flying but they, like England do not have the spin options and their batting relies heavily on Williamson. 

I expect we will see something like Burns/Sibley, Crawley, Lawrence, Root, Pope. Stokes.  I would keep Foakes.  Pace bowling is not a problem for England in that we have plenty of options, good ones.  Spin is a big issue.  Leach is ok for the time being, he can hold his own.  Bess needs to go back to CC and bowl himself into the ground, take wickets and get some consistency.  I hope England do not just discard him. Id also like to see Parkinson get a bowl this summer at some point.  Leach will go to Aus and I would be looking at either Bess (If he can get some form and wickets for Warks) or Parkinson