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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: Oldhasbeen on February 16, 2021, 09:07:48 AM
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An embarrassingly bad batting display by England - twice. But it's still 1-1 and everything to play for.!
Ahmedabad said to be more seamer friendly. The cavalry have arrived in the form of mssrs Bairstow, Wood, Curran and maybe Crawley & Archer. Who should we pick?
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Id be tempted to go
Sibley
Crawley
Bairstow
Root
Pope
Stokes
Foakes
Bess
Archer
Anderson
Leach
Hopefully Stokes will bowl bit more. I think this is a day night game?? I think that will help us a bit more also
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HonkyTonk, I'd probably go for the same XI.
Yesterday I'd have picked Moeen over Bess, but I think Mo's mind will be on the plane.
If it REALLY looks seamer friendly I suppose picking Woakes or Curran over Bess is a possibility.
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HonkyTonk, I'd probably go for the same XI.
Yesterday I'd have picked Moeen over Bess, but I think Mo's mind will be on the plane.
If it REALLY looks seamer friendly I suppose picking Woakes or Curran over Bess is a possibility.
Doesn't look world beating does it?
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HonkyTonk, I'd probably go for the same XI.
Yesterday I'd have picked Moeen over Bess, but I think Mo's mind will be on the plane.
If it REALLY looks seamer friendly I suppose picking Woakes or Curran over Bess is a possibility.
Doesn't look world beating does it?
More or less was good enough for the first test though!!!
The batting in general is a young unit with Sibley, Burns, Lawrence, Crawley and Pope. Some good players there and some that will be looking over their shoulder at Bracey/Lammondby. Fast bowling is fine. Spinners are a worry but we have no "Experienced" spinner available to come in. The spinners are very much learning their game in internationals, which is fine for me. If they do not play they do not get the experience. We have a decent core of young spinners - Leach, Bess, Crane, Parkinson, Moriaty, Viridi. All at different stages of development but none the finished article yet in terms of internationals. Its one reason I would keep Moeen away from the test side now, blood the youngsters. Id like to think that some of the batters mentioned and the spinners playing will learn a hell of a lot playing against India this winter
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HonkyTonk, I'd probably go for the same XI.
Yesterday I'd have picked Moeen over Bess, but I think Mo's mind will be on the plane.
If it REALLY looks seamer friendly I suppose picking Woakes or Curran over Bess is a possibility.
Doesn't look world beating does it?
It doesn’t. To be honest they’ve already done better than I expected this winter with three wins from Sri Lanka and India. I would have taken three wins from six before they went out. India are massively better than us in these conditions.
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HonkyTonk, I'd probably go for the same XI.
Yesterday I'd have picked Moeen over Bess, but I think Mo's mind will be on the plane.
If it REALLY looks seamer friendly I suppose picking Woakes or Curran over Bess is a possibility.
Doesn't look world beating does it?
More or less was good enough for the first test though!!!
The batting in general is a young unit with Sibley, Burns, Lawrence, Crawley and Pope. Some good players there and some that will be looking over their shoulder at Bracey/Lammondby. Fast bowling is fine. Spinners are a worry but we have no "Experienced" spinner available to come in. The spinners are very much learning their game in internationals, which is fine for me. If they do not play they do not get the experience. We have a decent core of young spinners - Leach, Bess, Crane, Parkinson, Moriaty, Viridi. All at different stages of development but none the finished article yet in terms of internationals. Its one reason I would keep Moeen away from the test side now, blood the youngsters. Id like to think that some of the batters mentioned and the spinners playing will learn a hell of a lot playing against India this winter
Re the 4 young spinners, I've been impressed with Parkinson, unimpressed with Crane and haven't seen Moriaty or Viridi.
Shame none of them appear to have any ability with the bat. With Jack Leach being number 1 spinner and the seam attack likely to include 2 of Jimmy, Big Stu, Joff & Ollie S, it'll be difficult to include another rabbit in the line-up.
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HonkyTonk, I'd probably go for the same XI.
Yesterday I'd have picked Moeen over Bess, but I think Mo's mind will be on the plane.
If it REALLY looks seamer friendly I suppose picking Woakes or Curran over Bess is a possibility.
Doesn't look world beating does it?
More or less was good enough for the first test though!!!
The batting in general is a young unit with Sibley, Burns, Lawrence, Crawley and Pope. Some good players there and some that will be looking over their shoulder at Bracey/Lammondby. Fast bowling is fine. Spinners are a worry but we have no "Experienced" spinner available to come in. The spinners are very much learning their game in internationals, which is fine for me. If they do not play they do not get the experience. We have a decent core of young spinners - Leach, Bess, Crane, Parkinson, Moriaty, Viridi. All at different stages of development but none the finished article yet in terms of internationals. Its one reason I would keep Moeen away from the test side now, blood the youngsters. Id like to think that some of the batters mentioned and the spinners playing will learn a hell of a lot playing against India this winter
Re the 4 young spinners, I've been impressed with Parkinson, unimpressed with Crane and haven't seen Moriaty or Viridi.
Shame none of them appear to have any ability with the bat. With Jack Leach being number 1 spinner and the seam attack likely to include 2 of Jimmy, Big Stu, Joff & Ollie S, it'll be difficult to include another rabbit in the line-up.
I think Parkinson looks a good player. There has been lots of talk during the commentary of Lancs games that he bowls too slow!!!! If the bloke is taking wickets (which he does), why would it matter. Stop picking bits apart and just play him.
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HonkyTonk, I'd probably go for the same XI.
Yesterday I'd have picked Moeen over Bess, but I think Mo's mind will be on the plane.
If it REALLY looks seamer friendly I suppose picking Woakes or Curran over Bess is a possibility.
Doesn't look world beating does it?
More or less was good enough for the first test though!!!
The batting in general is a young unit with Sibley, Burns, Lawrence, Crawley and Pope. Some good players there and some that will be looking over their shoulder at Bracey/Lammondby. Fast bowling is fine. Spinners are a worry but we have no "Experienced" spinner available to come in. The spinners are very much learning their game in internationals, which is fine for me. If they do not play they do not get the experience. We have a decent core of young spinners - Leach, Bess, Crane, Parkinson, Moriaty, Viridi. All at different stages of development but none the finished article yet in terms of internationals. Its one reason I would keep Moeen away from the test side now, blood the youngsters. Id like to think that some of the batters mentioned and the spinners playing will learn a hell of a lot playing against India this winter
Re the 4 young spinners, I've been impressed with Parkinson, unimpressed with Crane and haven't seen Moriaty or Viridi.
Shame none of them appear to have any ability with the bat. With Jack Leach being number 1 spinner and the seam attack likely to include 2 of Jimmy, Big Stu, Joff & Ollie S, it'll be difficult to include another rabbit in the line-up.
I think Parkinson looks a good player. There has been lots of talk during the commentary of Lancs games that he bowls too slow!!!! If the bloke is taking wickets (which he does), why would it matter. Stop picking bits apart and just play him.
He doesn't play that much for Lancashire. When he's played he's done ok in 4 day cricket but Lancashire have a lot of decent seamers and so he's basically not really needed. The most he's ever got in a season is 20 and 10 of those came in one match. I've not seen him that much in 4 day cricket but he does bowl very slowly in the T20 matches I've seen. The same reason was given for India not picking Kuldeep Yadav for the 1st Test Match.
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What's Lammonby like as a bowler? I'm not thinking of him as an opener with bat and ball, but he and Stokes could be a 'fifth bowler'. We have a lot of bats with keeping pretentious, but we need proper bats who can bowl more than a couple of token overs before tea.
Broads's bottle has gone against pace, Archer is frankly lazy whether Curran minor can cut it as a test all rounder...
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Someone ought to be having a serious word with Archer. He can bat but is not doing it for England. He cannot continue batting as he has done at no.9.
Seems like we are treating Archer with kid gloves.
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I get the impression with Archer (I could be wrong), that he just cant be bothered with the bat. He looks lazy. A bit more application and I think he is a decent bat (Not a world beater, but much better than he is showing).
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Joffra at 8 - gulp!
Brave selection or what?
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Joffra at 8 - gulp!
Brave selection or what?
what.
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Two more wickets and we'll see if Joffra's got it as a potential all rounded.
I fear the worst
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The experts always say, if you do not know how the wicket will play, if you win the toss bat.
Being a day night test, game over BEFORE Loose women ( ITV 12-30 ) on the first day.
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Well they also say that judgements should be withheld until the other side has batted. What's the odds on India being 200-2 at stumps?
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So this is England making Test cricket the priority!!!
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England all out by Steph’s Packed Lunch.
The Tipping Point will be if India can be all out by then !
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So much for the pink ball swinging like an elephant's bollocks under the lights and England not needing 2 spinners.
I'll be surprised if Joe root doesn't end up bowling more overs than most of the seamers
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The Chase is on, will be a Good Morning in Britain if we can bag quick wickets now that Kohli out last over of the day.
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I get the impression with Archer (I could be wrong), that he just cant be bothered with the bat. He looks lazy. A bit more application and I think he is a decent bat (Not a world beater, but much better than he is showing).
The real trouble with Archer is surely not his ability or lack of it, but that as a first class cricketer he hasn't yet learned his trade. According to CricketArchive he has, including this test, to date played 42 first class matches of which 13 have been Tests, ie only 29 other FC matches, and he last played a CC match for Sussex in Sept 2018. There's no doubting his threat in limited overs especially T20, but he is learning FC cricket in the Test arena. Not ideal and hardly fair on him either.
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I get the impression with Archer (I could be wrong), that he just cant be bothered with the bat. He looks lazy. A bit more application and I think he is a decent bat (Not a world beater, but much better than he is showing).
The real trouble with Archer is surely not his ability or lack of it, but that as a first class cricketer he hasn't yet learned his trade. According to CricketArchive he has, including this test, to date played 42 first class matches of which 13 have been Tests, ie only 29 other FC matches, and he last played a CC match for Sussex in Sept 2018. There's no doubting his threat in limited overs especially T20, but he is learning FC cricket in the Test arena. Not ideal and hardly fair on him either.
The ECB (ICC) are killing Test cricket by stealth. Starve it of 1st class cricket until Test cricket becomes such a poor product that (they hope) cricket supporters will switch their interest to 20-20/Hundred. It's a purely cynical approach.
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Turned into a Chelmsford Bunsen. When is Harmer coming on to bowl ? Far more entertaining than a total flat track.
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A Michelle for Joe Root. In a Test. Bugger me sideways with a barge pole.
Is ten to 11 too early to get a beer out of the fridge?
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Great advert for Test Cricket.......total shambles. Cook saying you cannot survive on this pitch, let alone score with lots of luck.
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If this were Chelmsford, then the pitch inspector would be throwing a fit.
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Quickest test since 1935, says it all really.
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As said, if this was a county game, the home side would be in trouble. Time the ICC grew a pair
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Crikey - just like playing at Taunton. And the English batsman best equipped to deal with those conditions was commentating for Channel 4!
I'd love to see a T20 game played on a pitch like that!
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The Chase is on, will be a Good Morning in Britain if we can bag quick wickets now that Kohli out last over of the day.
I think 'The Repair Shop' might be more appropriate ...
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The Chase is on, will be a Good Morning in Britain if we can bag quick wickets now that Kohli out last over of the day.
I think 'The Repair Shop' might be more appropriate ...
Crikey - as someone who is still just about working I'm astounded by the breadth of edifying TV available during the day. I suppose it's a step up from the test card!
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I had to speak to the IT dept in India. During the call England lost their first three wickets. I asked if anyone had a ticket for Friday.
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The Chase is on, will be a Good Morning in Britain if we can bag quick wickets now that Kohli out last over of the day.
I think 'The Repair Shop' might be more appropriate ...
Crikey - as someone who is still just about working I'm astounded by the breadth of edifying TV available during the day. I suppose it's a step up from the test card!
That's on in the evening, no excuses!
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The Chase is on, will be a Good Morning in Britain if we can bag quick wickets now that Kohli out last over of the day.
I think 'The Repair Shop' might be more appropriate ...
Crikey - as someone who is still just about working I'm astounded by the breadth of edifying TV available during the day. I suppose it's a step up from the test card!
That's on in the evening, no excuses!
After 8 hours on zoom I'm off to sleepy night nights by 8! Mind you I retire on 19 May. I couldn't have timed it better!
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After 8 hours on zoom I'm off to sleepy night nights by 8! Mind you I retire on 19 May. I couldn't have timed it better!
Congrats :)
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After 8 hours on zoom I'm off to sleepy night nights by 8! Mind you I retire on 19 May. I couldn't have timed it better!
Congrats :)
Thanks v much!
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Wonder if we will open with Frasier and Niles tomorrow ?
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As said, if this was a county game, the home side would be in trouble. Time the ICC grew a pair
Someone was saying the English selectors missed a trick by not picking the whole of the Somerset team for the India tour. And yes, I know...
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Well if you think back to Taunton 2019 the stand out bat in yhat game has been sitting in the channel 4 studio....