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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: LeedsExile on February 03, 2021, 02:57:54 PM
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-v-england-2020-21-channel-4-secure-free-to-air-uk-coverage-of-england-india-test-series-1249970
In case any of you have not seen this.
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We were only five minutes ago saying we wondered whether Channel 4 had secured the rights - thanks for posting this, Leeds.
Lynda and Steve
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Could turn into a horror show. I never thought I'd say that the Indian quick will cause a lot of problems for us!
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Never knew the India Test rights were open for broadcast negotiations. Is it the same for the ODI’s ? One presumes the Ashes will still be available on BT Sport next winter .
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I think BT secured the rights to Australian cricket for some years. I quite like the Big Bash on a cold winter morning!
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I have BT Sport as part of my telephone service, I rarely watch it. One issue is the speed, anything with fast action looks like a film of the street scene in 1897.
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The HD BT channel is good quality vision. I had occasion to visit Arqiva, the TV transmitter people, and the guy who showed us round commented on the high quality of the BT signal.My lad likes combat sport so I've got it mainly for him. Aussie cricket is a bonus on days when I'm not working.
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I think BT secured the rights to Australian cricket for some years. I quite like the Big Bash on a cold winter morning!
Not sure about the BBL or other Australian home tours but the Ashes rights for next winter are up for tender later this year. Which I suspect is why Sky haven't tried very hard to secure this India series, they want to put every million they have towards getting the Ashes back.
I don't think this is going to capture the imagine like 2005, mainly because England will likely get smashed. However, it'll be nice to watch free to air cricket. Sir Chef in the studio and a 9am start for the day night test is perfect for UK viewers.
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Amazon are rumoured to be in the running for the Ashes tour coverage. It's going to be a challenge keeping up with all the subscriptions at this rate.
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I suspect quite quickly events such as The Ashes will go pay to view. Football almost did a couple of months ago but in my opinion they got greedy with the price point. Make it a fiver to access on line and who needs Sky?
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I suspect quite quickly events such as The Ashes will go pay to view. Football almost did a couple of months ago but in my opinion they got greedy with the price point. Make it a fiver to access on line and who needs Sky?
Streaming is the future of live sports without a shadow of a doubt, whilst live television is very slowly but surely heading on the way out. It's why I wasn't upset when the Bob Willis Trophy final was on Youtube and the BBC iPlayer as opposed to Sky television, because ultimately it reached far more viewers this way. Amazon have a big Indian following and have already twigged the popularity of cricket. If they decide to go hard for the Ashes, Sky are in big trouble as they cannot compete financially. The Premier League could well go the same way down the line, although they may well decide to create their own streaming network like the NFL do as they have the audience power to do so.
I for one very rarely watch live television now as the vast majority of my viewing comes on my laptop from streaming services like Netflix, Amazon, Disney+, iPlayer etc when I can watch at my leisure rather than having to tune in at a certain time. It's only really big sports matches that I watch live rather than on catch up.
As for the India match, Crawley's confirmed to be out injured which means Lawrence likely batting at three. What an opportunity for him! Double edged sword for us though, because if he gets a big score the IPL franchises will be calling and that'll be him gone for the whole of April, May and June.
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I thought Pope was supposed to be replacing Crawley. Burns in for Bairstow and Stokes will replace Lawrence. With all the comings and goings I might have missed something though.
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I thought Pope was supposed to be replacing Crawley. Burns in for Bairstow and Stokes will replace Lawrence. With all the comings and goings I might have missed something though.
When he is fully fit to bowl Stokes would normally play as one of 5 bowlers and play instead of Curran from the Sri Lanka team with Buttler at 7. It depends how they want to go. Stokes doesn't always bowl due to injury and they may want the extra seamer as they don't fancy the spinners too much. If Lawrence doesn't play that's 5 bowlers plus Stokes and Root which shouldn't really be necessary.
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Lawrence hasn't convinced so far, I'd be surprised if he is in the 11.
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Lawrence hasn't convinced so far, I'd be surprised if he is in the 11.
Might be a better option for him because the Indian attack is very good.
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Best way to learn once and for all whether he’s got the game for test cricket is to throw him into the lions den and see if he sinks or swims. Put him in at three and see if he turn himself into a star. Never mind it not, Essex will benefit.
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Unfair on Lawrence putting him at three. That is supposed to be for your best batsman i.e Root
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You put your best batsman where he scores runs, not to protect Dan Lawrence
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Played all round one for a Test match duck, just before lunch . Three very low scores, has put the pressure on his second innings knock . Might still get a game in the second Test, due to Crawleys unavailability.
Good coverage on C4, with few adverts trying to be squeezed into any opportunity during breaks in play .
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Great captains innings by Root with double ton in 100th game. Seems every milestone he gets near, then has to beat Sir Chef next on list .
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I don't think he has passed G A Gooch yet. Obviously he will and no doubt a knighthood awaits.
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I don't think he has passed G A Gooch yet. Obviously he will and no doubt a knighthood awaits.
but Gooch did it whilst also playing county cricket. GOAT without a doubt.
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Thought I had a problem with my car alarm when it suddenly started activating for no apparent reason. Then the Indians bowled another no ball !
Great third days play, still lots to do to gain a England victory though.
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I'd put my money on a draw. The Indian bats took Leach apart. Root might have experimented with himself earlier. We've got 2.33 seamers. We needed another bowler and treat Stokes as a batsman. Not picking our strongest bats will haunt us.
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Dan gone for 18, in the second innings. Although not a substantial score, came in on the second delivery of the innings and last over before lunch. Was third out with the score on 58, but has Sir Chef stated during the lunch interval England could not afford a mini collapse straight after, which would have meant just bat some overs out and make a Indian run chase much easier, than dominating for a declaration with more runs on the scoreboard.
Sir Chef wants 400 lead, but the captains always want more for insurance purposes, has getting a chased score always haunts your career .
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The fact that Bangladesh have just declared and lost setting West Indies 395 will not have gone unnoticed. Captains always want more runs in case this once in a lifetime scenario occurs on their watch.
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Problem is that we have a long tail. Archer is a rabbit, Jimmy wants number 11 position. Leach has shown a few shots against the spinners, but expecting that lot to bat like a T20 innings is ridiculous. Play Bairstow at 3 and Broad instead of Pope, to give proper bowling options.
Oh and Shane Warne can shove it... What our Liz sees in him...
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Draw's probably favourite tomorrow but we've got a good chance - if our spinners bowl well.
Leach's corker that dismissed Sharma gives us reasonable hope. It'll be interesting to see if Root opens with 2 spinners tomorrows or gives Joff a few overs first while the ball is still hard.
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Problem is that we have a long tail. Archer is a rabbit, Jimmy wants number 11 position. Leach has shown a few shots against the spinners, but expecting that lot to bat like a T20 innings is ridiculous. Play Bairstow at 3 and Broad instead of Pope, to give proper bowling options.
Oh and Shane Warne can shove it... What our Liz sees in him...
Why so many people think Archer has all-rounder potential is beyond me. He may have bashed a few runs against low-grade county bowling but at Test level he looks every inch a number 11.
I don't think Bairstow is joining the squad for a while is he? If he was there he's be a no-brainer for the number 3 spot in the next Test.
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Problem is that we have a long tail. Archer is a rabbit, Jimmy wants number 11 position. Leach has shown a few shots against the spinners, but expecting that lot to bat like a T20 innings is ridiculous. Play Bairstow at 3 and Broad instead of Pope, to give proper bowling options.
Oh and Shane Warne can shove it... What our Liz sees in him...
She doesn't anymore. So we've still got a chance.
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Why so many people think Archer has all-rounder potential is beyond me. He may have bashed a few runs against low-grade county bowling but at Test level he looks every inch a number 11.
I don't think Bairstow is joining the squad for a while is he? If he was there he's be a no-brainer for the number 3 spot in the next Test.
I know about Bairstow getting a bit of blighty leave (which he may regret given the weather you guys are enjoying down south) but clearly India is not a team to take lightly. I have the suspicion that Mr Archer is a bit of a lazy so and so...
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Problem is that we have a long tail. Archer is a rabbit, Jimmy wants number 11 position. Leach has shown a few shots against the spinners, but expecting that lot to bat like a T20 innings is ridiculous. Play Bairstow at 3 and Broad instead of Pope, to give proper bowling options.
Oh and Shane Warne can shove it... What our Liz sees in him...
She doesn't anymore. So we've still got a chance.
WE have a chance!?
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Problem is that we have a long tail. Archer is a rabbit, Jimmy wants number 11 position. Leach has shown a few shots against the spinners, but expecting that lot to bat like a T20 innings is ridiculous. Play Bairstow at 3 and Broad instead of Pope, to give proper bowling options.
Oh and Shane Warne can shove it... What our Liz sees in him...
Why so many people think Archer has all-rounder potential is beyond me. He may have bashed a few runs against low-grade county bowling but at Test level he looks every inch a number 11.
I don't think Bairstow is joining the squad for a while is he? If he was there he's be a no-brainer for the number 3 spot in the next Test.
When he started in county cricket he looked good. He has batted very well against Essex more than once. He made 77 against us at Colchester and nearly won the 50 over match at Chelmsford in 2017 with 45 off 22 balls. He got 33 not out in 15 the next year aswell. There's clearly some potential there. The problem is with playing in IPL and barely any county cricket and also the fact that there is barely any practise matches on tours these days he never gets to bat outside Test Matches. I would guess he's barely had the chance of a proper innings since he started playing for England in early 2019.
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One up, Roots first innings the difference between the two sides , judging by win by margin . Changes for the second test, Foakes behind the stumps for returning home Buttler for R & R, and Broad for Anderson.
Great to hear Sir Chef insight during C4 coverage.
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One up, Roots first innings the difference between the two sides , judging by win by margin . Changes for the second test, Foakes behind the stumps for returning home Buttler for R & R, and Broad for Anderson.
Great to hear Sir Chef insight during C4 coverage.
No need to rest Anderson when he hasn't bowled too much. He's still more than a match for the top Indian batsmen. Keep Broad for Tests 3 and 4. Only change I might make is replace Lawrence but who with?
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Problem is that we have a long tail. Archer is a rabbit, Jimmy wants number 11 position. Leach has shown a few shots against the spinners, but expecting that lot to bat like a T20 innings is ridiculous. Play Bairstow at 3 and Broad instead of Pope, to give proper bowling options.
Oh and Shane Warne can shove it... What our Liz sees in him...
Why so many people think Archer has all-rounder potential is beyond me. He may have bashed a few runs against low-grade county bowling but at Test level he looks every inch a number 11.
I don't think Bairstow is joining the squad for a while is he? If he was there he's be a no-brainer for the number 3 spot in the next Test.
When he started in county cricket he looked good. He has batted very well against Essex more than once. He made 77 against us at Colchester and nearly won the 50 over match at Chelmsford in 2017 with 45 off 22 balls. He got 33 not out in 15 the next year aswell. There's clearly some potential there. The problem is with playing in IPL and barely any county cricket and also the fact that there is barely any practise matches on tours these days he never gets to bat outside Test Matches. I would guess he's barely had the chance of a proper innings since he started playing for England in early 2019.
Fair point, Jason. I hope Joff gets a bit more time at he crease in county games but soemhow I doubt he will
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I thought it was a given that we'd alternate Jimmy and Big Stu this series, but would anyone dare drop Jimmy now?
In the next Test I'm less concerned with a knackered Jimmy than with Dom Bess, who, despite getting some wickets, bowled far too much dross (some of which got wickets) and was really losing control badly(was it Jim Laker who used to say "young spinning fingers get tired easily" on the BBC Test commentary?)
My guess is that the Indians will really target Bess in the next Test.
Don't get me wrong, I like the look of Bess but he's still learning on the job and has had some flattering figures.
England's other worry has got to be number 3. I can't see Dan lasting there when we've got some reasonable alternatives.
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One restriction Channel 4 got rid of when they originally took over the coverage from the BBC. Was that no one who had not played at that level could commentate on a test match or one day international. That is why on the BBC David Acfield was only at county games and years ago Brian Johnson was forced out of TV onto radio.
Simon Hughes would have never been asked to give his contributions, although he knew more than some ex internationals. Does anyone remember the time when he used his analysis to show in slow motion that a Sri Lanka bowler was throwing?
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A SL bowler throwing? Whatever next?!
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One restriction Channel 4 got rid of when they originally took over the coverage from the BBC. Was that no one who had not played at that level could commentate on a test match or one day international. That is why on the BBC David Acfield was only at county games and years ago Brian Johnson was forced out of TV onto radio.
Simon Hughes would have never been asked to give his contributions, although he knew more than some ex internationals. Does anyone remember the time when he used his analysis to show in slow motion that a Sri Lanka bowler was throwing?
Jack Bannister used to commentate on the international cricket for years on the BBC at the same time Acfield was doing the county stuff and for a good while afterwards.
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I have absolutely no recollection of David Acfield ever doing any broadcasting. Did he do it for long and what channels? I have always thought he should write an autobiography as he has had a very interesting life, cricket and olympics.
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I have absolutely no recollection of David Acfield ever doing any broadcasting. Did he do it for long and what channels? I have always thought he should write an autobiography as he has had a very interesting life, cricket and olympics.
Agreed. Acfield never did commentary.
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David Acfield was the summariser when B & H and Nat West games were on the BBC. He was usually with Tony Lewis.
The restriction was for TV. There was none for Radio. Brian Johnson never played 1st class cricket, not even when he was at Cambridge University. He played for the minor college teams.
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I have absolutely no recollection of David Acfield ever doing any broadcasting. Did he do it for long and what channels? I have always thought he should write an autobiography as he has had a very interesting life, cricket and olympics.
Agreed. Acfield never did commentary.
I recall ackers doing some county cricket commentary. He wasn't very good at it and was dropped after a season or 2.
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Ackers was on BBC TV a bit just after he retired. He was quite amusing in his droll way. There was a quote about him which was quite good from a cricket writer back in the 1970s when Hobbs and East were also on the staff :"Acfield should be spinning for England, not fencing for a place in the Essex side". I don't think he was going to have ever played test cricket, although I think Ray East was unlucky not to get on a tour. Maybe his fencing held Acfield back a bit. I think I read at the time that he had to play for us as an amateur so as not to infringe that status for Olympic competition. I don't know if that was true or not.
My first real season watching Essex was 1973 (I'd been once the previous year). I can recall Hobbs, East and Acfield all playing together in some games. In one against Leicester, I think, where the new ball was taken by Turner and Edmeades (Boyce was with the West Indies and Lever must have been injured) with third seam provided by Keith Pont and then the three spinners.
These days, apparently, Bess has to move from Somerset to Yorkshire to get a bowl!
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I have absolutely no recollection of David Acfield ever doing any broadcasting. Did he do it for long and what channels? I have always thought he should write an autobiography as he has had a very interesting life, cricket and olympics.
Agreed. Acfield never did commentary.
As people have already said he only did it for 2 or 3 years. This is him with Ralph Dellor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEPhQB0fo9k
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Crikey Jason - halcyon days! I remember watching the end of that on my grandmother's black and white tv! Nice to have two "Essex" commentators describing the action (I think Ralph Dellor passed on fairly recently?) and how young Waugh and Hussain looked!
I think we deserved to win that cup that year after the last ball loss to Notts in the cup final in July(fair enough I guess as we did that to them fours years before) and of course the points deduction at Southend, which still wrankles with me.
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Ackers was on BBC TV a bit just after he retired. He was quite amusing in his droll way. There was a quote about him which was quite good from a cricket writer back in the 1970s when Hobbs and East were also on the staff :"Acfield should be spinning for England, not fencing for a place in the Essex side". I don't think he was going to have ever played test cricket, although I think Ray East was unlucky not to get on a tour. Maybe his fencing held Acfield back a bit. I think I read at the time that he had to play for us as an amateur so as not to infringe that status for Olympic competition. I don't know if that was true or not.
My first real season watching Essex was 1973 (I'd been once the previous year). I can recall Hobbs, East and Acfield all playing together in some games. In one against Leicester, I think, where the new ball was taken by Turner and Edmeades (Boyce was with the West Indies and Lever must have been injured) with third seam provided by Keith Pont and then the three spinners.
These days, apparently, Bess has to move from Somerset to Yorkshire to get a bowl!
When I first watched Essex back in the early 70s we quite often played 3 spinners. I think we only had about 13 professionals then. We dredged up club cricketers like Vic Brooks & Ken Wallace to make up the numbers sometimes When JK & Boycey were unavailabe, I remember Keith Pont openiongh the bowling a couple of times and no, I'm nt confusing him with his bro'!
Ackers was briefly talked about as an England spinner - probably mostly by Trevor Bailey - around 1973, when Ray Illingworth was clearly well past his sell-by date. I think Jack Birkenshaw & Pat Pocock got in ahead of him. I recall Raymondo playing in an England trial team (against a touring team) and getting a hat trick but I don't think he was ever seriously considered for England in days when we have Derek Underwood & Norman Gifford, then Phil Edmonds as well, completing for England places. There were so many good spinners around in those days that Yorkshire's Don Wilson, who took over 1000 first class wickets, only played a few Tests.
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Ackers was on BBC TV a bit just after he retired. He was quite amusing in his droll way. There was a quote about him which was quite good from a cricket writer back in the 1970s when Hobbs and East were also on the staff :"Acfield should be spinning for England, not fencing for a place in the Essex side". I don't think he was going to have ever played test cricket, although I think Ray East was unlucky not to get on a tour. Maybe his fencing held Acfield back a bit. I think I read at the time that he had to play for us as an amateur so as not to infringe that status for Olympic competition. I don't know if that was true or not.
My first real season watching Essex was 1973 (I'd been once the previous year). I can recall Hobbs, East and Acfield all playing together in some games. In one against Leicester, I think, where the new ball was taken by Turner and Edmeades (Boyce was with the West Indies and Lever must have been injured) with third seam provided by Keith Pont and then the three spinners.
These days, apparently, Bess has to move from Somerset to Yorkshire to get a bowl!
When I first watched Essex back in the early 70s we quite often played 3 spinners. I think we only had about 13 professionals then. We dredged up club cricketers like Vic Brooks & Ken Wallace to make up the numbers sometimes When JK & Boycey were unavailabe, I remember Keith Pont openiongh the bowling a couple of times and no, I'm nt confusing him with his bro'!
Ackers was briefly talked about as an England spinner - probably mostly by Trevor Bailey - around 1973, when Ray Illingworth was clearly well past his sell-by date. I think Jack Birkenshaw & Pat Pocock got in ahead of him. I recall Raymondo playing in an England trial team (against a touring team) and getting a hat trick but I don't think he was ever seriously considered for England in days when we have Derek Underwood & Norman Gifford, then Phil Edmonds as well, completing for England places. There were so many good spinners around in those days that Yorkshire's Don Wilson, who took over 1000 first class wickets, only played a few Tests.
Ahhh happy days. Stuart Turner and Keith Pont opened the bowling for near enough the whole season in c. 1977 when JKL was playing for England and KB had to retire immediately. ST and KP had a fair amount of success bowling on friendly wickets. Pat Hector also played a few games.
24 x 3 day CC games plus B&H (at least 5 group games) , GC and 16 x JPL. Great to watch but not surprised the players were knackered.
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Crikey Nat - Patrick Hector. Whatever happened to him? I'd forgotten about him, but you're right the cupboard was pretty bare that year but we very nearly won the Sunday League. Bairstow Senior's assault on Turner at Scarborough turning a crucial game! Didn't we have Richard Hadlee lined up to replace Boycie but it fell through?
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Crikey Nat - Patrick Hector. Whatever happened to him? I'd forgotten about him, but you're right the cupboard was pretty bare that year but we very nearly won the Sunday League. Bairstow Senior's assault on Turner at Scarborough turning a crucial game! Didn't we have Richard Hadlee lined up to replace Boycie but it fell through?
If I recall correctly we wanted to sign Hadlee for the last 6 weeks of the season but the authorities kyboshed a short-term deal and we wouldn't offer him anything longer.
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Crikey Nat - Patrick Hector. Whatever happened to him? I'd forgotten about him, but you're right the cupboard was pretty bare that year but we very nearly won the Sunday League. Bairstow Senior's assault on Turner at Scarborough turning a crucial game! Didn't we have Richard Hadlee lined up to replace Boycie but it fell through?
He's before my time. I'd never heard of him until recently when someone mentioned him as his son is currently playing for Fulham. He started the season in the Premier league team but hasn't played that much recently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hector
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Thanks Jason. How interesting!
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Archer out of second test due to elbow injury, so could play Broad and Anderson or perhaps Olly Stone gets a game .
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Pat Hector's son is Fulham's centre half - formerly with Chelsea and Reading. He was an East Ham boy, as was his dad who played for Chadwell Heath CC.
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Archer out of second test due to elbow injury, so could play Broad and Anderson or perhaps Olly Stone gets a game .
Orr Woakes. Or Mo!
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Congratulations posters for having two themes on the same thread ;) Personally I find the old Essex discussion far more interesting than the India test stuff. Thanks also for the update about David Acfield's broadcasting career but I still can't remember it but I do recall Pat Hector.
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Archer out of second test due to elbow injury, so could play Broad and Anderson or perhaps Olly Stone gets a game .
Orr Woakes. Or Mo!
Jimmy rested. Dom dropped. Joff injured.
My guess is they will go for Chris Woakes rather than Ollie Stone, the latter would be a gamble given his fitness and Stokes' reluctance to bowl much
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Without our 2 best (by a distance!)bowlers and no I don’t mean Bess !!!,I predict a home win.It could be by a massive margin —dependent very much on the toss.
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Id play Stone over Woakes
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Capt Kohli, plays a tailenders drive to Ali, who up to then was pretty shabby. Crowd stunned, Kohli more so, but credit to Moen who kept to the task. Stone bowled fast and straight. Wicket not to last five days so early inroads vital.
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Aswell as Stone over Woakes (which I am happy about) I would have played Crane or Parkinson over Ali.
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Aswell as Stone over Woakes (which I am happy about) I would have played Crane or Parkinson over Ali.
every day of the week.
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Modem Ali is too flakey and really not a test spinner. Dropping Bess, who is as good a bat as Ali, seems an unnecessary change given that we were having to rest Jimmy, Buttler can’t keep for more than one test, we’ve sent Bairstow home and Stokes is seemingly finished as an all rounder. Bizarre state of affairs.
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Modem Ali is too flakey and really not a test spinner. Dropping Bess, who is as good a bat as Ali, seems an unnecessary change given that we were having to rest Jimmy, Buttler can’t keep for more than one test, we’ve sent Bairstow home and Stokes is seemingly finished as an all rounder. Bizarre state of affairs.
If you want to hear why Bess was dropped:
https://www.bt.com/sport/news/2021/february/england-right-to-drop-tired-dom-bess-says-spin-bowling-coach-jeetan-patel
Is Stokes really "finished as an all-rounder"? He's certainly bowling less at the moment but IMHO it seems premature to write his bowling off.
Agree that sending Bairstow home was a mistake, especially when all 3 openers are unproven against top class spin.
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Modem Ali is too flakey and really not a test spinner. Dropping Bess, who is as good a bat as Ali, seems an unnecessary change given that we were having to rest Jimmy, Buttler can’t keep for more than one test, we’ve sent Bairstow home and Stokes is seemingly finished as an all rounder. Bizarre state of affairs.
I know Moeen has lost a bit of form recently but Moeen is a totally different level to Bess as a batsman. He has 40 centuries in all forms of cricket. Moeen did a pretty decent job for England as a spinner for a number of years but unfortunatly now does look done. Bess is very average and bowled awfully in the 2nd innings of the last test. It's not an easy job selecting the second spinner as neither Moeen or Bess really look the answer currently. The fact that Mason Crane has been mentioned on here says it all. He's not shown that he's anywhere near good enough for Hampshire in 4 day cricket yet. He averages 45 in first class cricket.
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Modem Ali is too flakey and really not a test spinner. Dropping Bess, who is as good a bat as Ali, seems an unnecessary change given that we were having to rest Jimmy, Buttler can’t keep for more than one test, we’ve sent Bairstow home and Stokes is seemingly finished as an all rounder. Bizarre state of affairs.
This post genuinely might be the worst cricketing take I've ever read in my life. Stokes finished as all-rounder! Bess as good a bat as Moeen! Whatever meds you're on Andy, get them changed!
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Burns goes again before any runs on the board , which immediately puts pressure on those who follow. Dan goes for last ball before lunch. Scratched around for his nine although he did time at the crease. Imagine Crawley gets recall if fit, with Dan the man to make way.
However the impressive Foakes with bat and gloves, sees England pass the follow with the only innings of substance.
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Burns goes again before any runs on the board , which immediately puts pressure on those who follow. Dan goes for last ball before lunch. Scratched around for his nine although he did time at the crease. Imagine Crawley gets recall if fit, with Dan the man to make way.
However the impressive Foakes with bat and gloves, sees England pass the follow with the only innings of substance.
Lawrence out of his depth at the moment.
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Burns goes again before any runs on the board , which immediately puts pressure on those who follow. Dan goes for last ball before lunch. Scratched around for his nine although he did time at the crease. Imagine Crawley gets recall if fit, with Dan the man to make way.
However the impressive Foakes with bat and gloves, sees England pass the follow with the only innings of substance.
Will Bairstow be available for the 3rd Test?
Sadly Dan's not ready to be an England number 3 .
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I wonder if Dan's test career will mirror that of Tom Westley? When everyone is available he will be well down the pecking order unless he gets a big score second innings. I agree that the comparisons between Moeen and Bess do not bare scrutiny. Bess is very much a work in progress but I think he will do very well at Yorkshire.
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I wonder if Dan's test career will mirror that of Tom Westley? When everyone is available he will be well down the pecking order unless he gets a big score second innings. I agree that the comparisons between Moeen and Bess do not bare scrutiny. Bess is very much a work in progress but I think he will do very well at Yorkshire.
I think Dan's in a better position than Tom was, he's much younger than Tom was at his Test debut for a start. He's just not a number 3 at the moment.
I hope you'll be watching Dom B getting a lot of long, successful, bowls with the Yorkies next summer, it'll do him the world of good. I can't see England playing 2 spinners much at home and, purely as a bowler, Jack Leach is far better. IMHO Dom will only get much Test action if the selectors are trying to shoehorn a lot of tail-end seamers into the same team: pick Jack with any 3 from Jimmy, Big Stu, Joff, Ollie and Mark W and you've got Jack (or Mark w?)at 8. If Chris Woakes or Sam Curran fill the number 8 spot, playing Jack L is a no-brainer IMHO.
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Modem Ali is too flakey and really not a test spinner. Dropping Bess, who is as good a bat as Ali, seems an unnecessary change given that we were having to rest Jimmy, Buttler can’t keep for more than one test, we’ve sent Bairstow home and Stokes is seemingly finished as an all rounder. Bizarre state of affairs.
This post genuinely might be the worst cricketing take I've ever read in my life. Stokes finished as all-rounder! Bess as good a bat as Moeen! Whatever meds you're on Andy, get them changed!
Alex. Stokes is seemingly less and less able to fill the all rounder role: he’s been increasingly used for a handful here or there, but that is NOT an all rounder.
Moeen slogs it around but hasn’t been convincing hence his slide down the batting order. Bess has a bit of what Duncan Fletcher called the dogfight (I replaced the original with ‘fight’) whereas Moeen seems to be lacking. I guess both were bowling full tosses and long hops, but Moeen has been around too long to be doing that. He may do a Leach and roll India over second dig, but he’s cost us a Test on a raging bunsen where Root ended up having to bowl.
Good to see Foakes showing what he can do. Presumably Butler/Bairstow will be given back the gloves as they have undue influence in the dressing room, but I’d rather have BF keep in tests and let the other two concentrate on batting. Pity about the corrupt umpiring, but this is India...
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Ive wanted Foakes to keep for a long time. Needs to be given a run in the team.
Moeen is done as a Test player for me. Bess is a young kid learning his trade, Ali is not and yet he is still a pretty average Test bowler. Get Parkinson or Crane in. Yes Crane has a high average, many young wrist spinners do while they are learning. I would expect more from Ali and its not happening. I would have more faith in Bess getting stuck in than Ali (I dont think Ali has the fight for it now).
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Ive wanted Foakes to keep for a long time. Needs to be given a run in the team.
I would expect more from Ali and its not happening. I would have more faith in Bess getting stuck in than Ali (I dont think Ali has the fight for it now).
Agreed on all counts. Incidentally are the likes of Parkinson getting any experience in South Asia? Seems to me to be one good thing about the IPL, given the greentops in the county game and the opportunity to learn more about the dark arts of wrist spin (and buying off the umpires).
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Ashwin day . Five wickets followed by century. Strangely three rapid wickets at the beginning of the day give England hope of knocking Indians over cheaply, with a slight glimmer of recovering something out of the game. Alas Kohli and Ashwin runs took the game well out of reach .
Great keeping by Foakes, yet again, during the morning, but looked more ragged during afternoon though. Enormous target 482, Dan desperate for a score with Crawley and Bairstow in the shadows, playing more forward and positively than the bunker mentality of the first innings. Only a century might tip the balance to keep his place.
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Modem Ali is too flakey and really not a test spinner. Dropping Bess, who is as good a bat as Ali, seems an unnecessary change given that we were having to rest Jimmy, Buttler can’t keep for more than one test, we’ve sent Bairstow home and Stokes is seemingly finished as an all rounder. Bizarre state of affairs.
This post genuinely might be the worst cricketing take I've ever read in my life. Stokes finished as all-rounder! Bess as good a bat as Moeen! Whatever meds you're on Andy, get them changed!
Alex. Stokes is seemingly less and less able to fill the all rounder role: he’s been increasingly used for a handful here or there, but that is NOT an all rounder.
Moeen slogs it around but hasn’t been convincing hence his slide down the batting order. Bess has a bit of what Duncan Fletcher called the dogfight (I replaced the original with ‘fight’) whereas Moeen seems to be lacking. I guess both were bowling full tosses and long hops, but Moeen has been around too long to be doing that. He may do a Leach and roll India over second dig, but he’s cost us a Test on a raging bunsen where Root ended up having to bowl.
Good to see Foakes showing what he can do. Presumably Butler/Bairstow will be given back the gloves as they have undue influence in the dressing room, but I’d rather have BF keep in tests and let the other two concentrate on batting. Pity about the corrupt umpiring, but this is India...
Andy, go and ask any top cricketer on the planet who the best all-rounder in the world is right now and the vast majority will say Ben Stokes. He hasn't bowled because he's clearly carrying a knock and needs managing, but according to you he's finished! We're in 2021, we don't flog half-fit players into the ground anymore, especially on a spinning pitch that bowling medium fast pace on is pointless. As for the Moeen and Bess comparison, a poster above said it best, 40 centuries for Moeen, how many has Bess got? He bats eight in county cricket for god's sake! Is Bess a better bowler and should he be given a run in the side over Moeen? Absolutely, but let's not be ridiculous here, he's not at Moeen's level with the bat.
Re Dan Lawrence, biggest day of his career tomorrow by a mile and possibly may never have a bigger one for the rest of his playing days. He could either be out early and won't see the England side again for a long time, or he could get a big score against a world class bowler on a tough pitch and cement his place in the England squad for many years to come. For Essex's sake the former is probably better, but of course I hope for his sake that it's the latter. It's depressing post Chef seeing no Essex representation in the England team and I don't see that changing anytime soon if Lawrence doesn't make it.
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Alex. Do you not follow the logic that if an all rounder can't bowl 15 overs in a full day in the field, then they aren't an all rounder, but a batsman who can do a (very) useful job with the ball - think Root or Gooch. Stokes has bowled less and less even in seamer conditions - hence the need to think about the balance of the lower middle order.
The fact that Bess was preferred over Ali in Sri Lanka and the 1st Test shows he's third best in the minds of the coaching team. Ali was dropped back in 2019. Ali has slipped down the batting order. He might get runs tomorrow but his form has been downwards for some time. I hope he does, but I suspect not.
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Alex. Do you not follow the logic that if an all rounder can't bowl 15 overs in a full day in the field, then they aren't an all rounder, but a batsman who can do a (very) useful job with the ball - think Root or Gooch. Stokes has bowled less and less even in seamer conditions - hence the need to think about the balance of the lower middle order.
The fact that Bess was preferred over Ali in Sri Lanka and the 1st Test shows he's third best in the minds of the coaching team. Ali was dropped back in 2019. Ali has slipped down the batting order. He might get runs tomorrow but his form has been downwards for some time. I hope he does, but I suspect not.
Moeen had COVID in Sri Lanka and so was never going to be picked for those Tests.
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All level. Unsurprisingly a England heavy defeat of 317 runs. Always up against it starting on a third day pitch on the first day a result was always on the cards. However two top innings scores and two centurions, there was only one side performing. No one selection lost this test.
Positive was the performance of Colchestrian ex Essex wicket keeper Ben Foakes. Impressive on that wicket and three stumpings in the test, the last time that happened was with the great former keeper Alan Knott .
Dan out before the first hour was over, got stumped with the quick delivery sliding past him, a tactic Murray and Titmas used in game plan. Golden boy Crawley must now be in the hot seat in his place for the next test . Let’s hope he does not end up like Westley, but with rotation and squads should keep him in the set up for the future. A tough baptism with a Asian tour, he would come out a better player, although moving him up and down the order does not help.
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Alex. Do you not follow the logic that if an all rounder can't bowl 15 overs in a full day in the field, then they aren't an all rounder, but a batsman who can do a (very) useful job with the ball - think Root or Gooch. Stokes has bowled less and less even in seamer conditions - hence the need to think about the balance of the lower middle order.
The fact that Bess was preferred over Ali in Sri Lanka and the 1st Test shows he's third best in the minds of the coaching team. Ali was dropped back in 2019. Ali has slipped down the batting order. He might get runs tomorrow but his form has been downwards for some time. I hope he does, but I suspect not.
Moeen had COVID in Sri Lanka and so was never going to be picked for those Tests.
He caught Covid 18 months ago?
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Alex. Do you not follow the logic that if an all rounder can't bowl 15 overs in a full day in the field, then they aren't an all rounder, but a batsman who can do a (very) useful job with the ball - think Root or Gooch. Stokes has bowled less and less even in seamer conditions - hence the need to think about the balance of the lower middle order.
The fact that Bess was preferred over Ali in Sri Lanka and the 1st Test shows he's third best in the minds of the coaching team. Ali was dropped back in 2019. Ali has slipped down the batting order. He might get runs tomorrow but his form has been downwards for some time. I hope he does, but I suspect not.
Moeen had COVID in Sri Lanka and so was never going to be picked for those Tests.
He caught Covid 18 months ago?
That was in reply to "The fact that Bess was preferred over Ali in Sri Lanka and the 1st Test shows he's third best in the minds of the coaching team." Moeen was dropped for Leach 18 months ago in the Ashes and then made himself unavailable for Tests for a while after that. That is when Bess leapfrogged him.
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-v-england-2020-21-spurned-moeen-ali-begins-the-long-kiss-goodnight-after-choosing-to-leave-india-tour-1252037
Interesting article on Moeen here. The choice of Roots words are not great and Ed Smith doesn't come out of it well. Surprised at the 56 wickets at 25.69 apiece in his last 11 Tests. I thought he'd been struggling for a while and the fact he has a better strike rate than Swann very much surprised me aswell. It's looking this was his last Test, which is a shame because I still think he's definately a better option than Bess and in England better than Leach as well. Playing there would allow them to play all the best seamers, most of which don't bat, and spinners like Leach rarely do too much in home tests these days.
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-v-england-2020-21-spurned-moeen-ali-begins-the-long-kiss-goodnight-after-choosing-to-leave-india-tour-1252037
Interesting article on Moeen here. The choice of Roots words are not great and Ed Smith doesn't come out of it well. Surprised at the 56 wickets at 25.69 apiece in his last 11 Tests. I thought he'd been struggling for a while and the fact he has a better strike rate than Swann very much surprised me aswell. It's looking this was his last Test, which is a shame because I still think he's definately a better option than Bess and in England better than Leach as well. Playing there would allow them to play all the best seamers, most of which don't bat, and spinners like Leach rarely do too much in home tests these days.
GD, the author has an agenda which should be clear to many people. Why look at the last 11 Tests? Why not the last 20? or 5?
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I enjoyed watching the Channel 4 coverage in Corporate mode.
Not starting to watch until play had been underway for a little while.
Around lunch thinking about breakfast and more concerned in stuffing myself.
After lunch when working from home had started, concentrating on making contact with people about work and taking less interest in the play.
Turning the TV over before close of play, just like being there in person and leaving when the free food and drink has run out.
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-v-england-2020-21-spurned-moeen-ali-begins-the-long-kiss-goodnight-after-choosing-to-leave-india-tour-1252037
Interesting article on Moeen here. The choice of Roots words are not great and Ed Smith doesn't come out of it well. Surprised at the 56 wickets at 25.69 apiece in his last 11 Tests. I thought he'd been struggling for a while and the fact he has a better strike rate than Swann very much surprised me as well. It's looking this was his last Test, which is a shame because I still think he's definitely a better option than Bess and in England better than Leach as well. Playing there would allow them to play all the best seamers, most of which don't bat, and spinners like Leach rarely do too much in home tests these days.
GD, the author has an agenda which should be clear to many people. Why look at the last 11 Tests? Why not the last 20? or 5?
What agenda is that? Serious question. To make Root and Smith look bad - which is not that hard to do! To be fair, Root has just apologised for his "chosen to go home" remark.
After having been acccused of casting nursturis nustertiums nastertiu saying bad things about Moeen Ali, I've checked his Test record. I could be uncharitable and point towards the quality of the batting line-ups of Ireland, Bangladesh and South Africa (against spin) where MA took a lot of wickets cheaply, but he also has a solid record against India - albeit on English wickets. However, he performances against the Aussies, India on their bunsens etc. isn't that impressive.
I did read somewhere how Ali's better performances came when he had a decent spin partner. I still think he's no longer the answer to our spin problem. Maybe Mat Parkinson should move to Taunton.
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GD thinks that English cricket is institutionally racist and will spare no tenuous story in his cause.
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Maybe Mat Parkinson should move to Taunton.
Maybe moving counties would be good for Parkinson's development, but Bess just left Taunton so he could get regular first XI cricket. And Bess is pretty useful with the bat.
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GD thinks that English cricket is institutionally racist and will spare no tenuous story in his cause.
Well white privilege is everywhere, apparently. I just think that MA doesn't fit with the culture at Team England - being neither the product of a public school or feisty enough. Still at least Mo can spend quality hours with the family before heading off to the IPL.
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GD thinks that English cricket is institutionally racist and will spare no tenuous story in his cause.
Well white privilege is everywhere, apparently. I just think that MA doesn't fit with the culture at Team England - being neither the product of a public school or feisty enough. Still at least Mo can spend quality hours with the family before heading off to the IPL.
Indeed. He would obviously much rather do this than play for England.
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GD thinks that English cricket is institutionally racist and will spare no tenuous story in his cause.
Well white privilege is everywhere, apparently. I just think that MA doesn't fit with the culture at Team yEngland - being neither the product of a public school or feisty enough. Still at least Mo can spend quality hours with the family before heading off to the IPL.
Indeed. He would obviously much rather do this than play for England.
Wouldn’t you? Root’s ham fisted captaincy, the likes of Stokes and Broad not exactly putting in the hard yards (compared to the much older Anderson) and dodgy umpiring. Much easier to bowl 4 overs, slog for another four overs and pick up twice the wage without the press scrutiny. Only fools and horses...