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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: bwildered on July 08, 2020, 12:45:50 PM
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Stokes takes the captaincy while Root is on paternity leave . How will just training / practice cricket effect performances, would have thought bowlers will be on top.
England to strong to retrieve the Wisden Trophy back . Time will tell .
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Very surprised England chose to bat in these conditions.
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England to strong to retrieve the Wisden Trophy back . Time will tell .
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Pardon? Do you mean TOO strong? Do you also mean they will/won't win Wisden Trophy back as it isn't very clear?
FWIW Stokes is somewhat lucky to be Captain after what happened in Sept 2018 in Bristol, he really should have been jailed at the time for his behaviour, let's hope his 'new found' maturity stands him in good stead.
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Agree OHB, given the conditions would have fought England would have bowled, but with Bess included seems that they are hoping the wicket will dry out and turn .
Too ( not too or two ) strong I.E, with three back to back matches surely England have strength in depth, but with no form to speak of, need to hit the ground running.
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I bet the BBC are less than impressed with how today has turned out. It was supposed to herald the return of cricket to their channel but they will struggle to fill their hour tonight. I have listened to most of TMS today and they have been very unimpressed with the umpires and the lack of play. Cricket returns but has learnt nothing it seems.
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Even the BBC cannot affect the weather
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Had only 17 overs play, might be able to squeeze it into all the highlights .
BBC could always fill in with Wimbledon highlights ( ! ) or just show somebody reading the shipping forecast .
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Holder in particular bowled well in the conditions. Our bats were both rusty and have technical problems.
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England concede a lead of over 100. Much vaunted pace attack of Archer and Wood both fail to make the Windies batsmen play enough. Stokes will not want to have a defeat in his one match in charge has England Captain. However losing regular wickets in the second innings will hamper in getting a competitive total to defend, if has predicted the wicket will turn on the last day.
At present all three results still possible .
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England picked the wrong captain, wrong team and wrong decision at the toss.
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It’s been said that this England team prefers to bat first. The first morning, then let the opposition bat in the afternoon sunshine. Who else would captain? Adolf Burns?
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It’s been said that this England team prefers to bat first. The first morning, then let the opposition bat in the afternoon sunshine. Who else would captain? Adolf Burns?
Yep
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England concede a lead of over 100. Much vaunted pace attack of Archer and Wood both fail to make the Windies batsmen play enough. Stokes will not want to have a defeat in his one match in charge has England Captain. However losing regular wickets in the second innings will hamper in getting a competitive total to defend, if has predicted the wicket will turn on the last day.
At present all three results still possible .
I was a little surprised England went with Wood & Archer, considering the conditions and Southampton not being the fastest of wickets. I thought Wood was a bit unlucky but Archer was pants yesterday. Hopefully he'll find his mojo again soon.
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It’s been said that this England team prefers to bat first. The first morning, then let the opposition bat in the afternoon sunshine. Who else would captain? Adolf Burns?
Yep
Burns at least has a fair bit of Captaincy experience, albeit at County level but has done well, Stokes has no previous (Captaincy that is!!) & would surely be better served as a team member only. Burns also is now a regular & would be a reasonable choice imo, albeit only when Root is not available.
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It’s been said that this England team prefers to bat first. The first morning, then let the opposition bat in the afternoon sunshine. Who else would captain? Adolf Burns?
Yep
Burns at least has a fair bit of Captaincy experience, albeit at County level but has done well, Stokes has no previous (Captaincy that is!!) & would surely be better served as a team member only. Burns also is now a regular & would be a reasonable choice imo, albeit only when Root is not available.
Generally, I'm not keen on all-rounders as captains, but for one game while Root was away, it was inevitable the VC would step up.
A big Q: would Rory B want the captaincy, and all the cr*p that goes with it??
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If Herr Burns is the next in line after Root, then we are in trouble.
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England picked the wrong captain, wrong team and wrong decision at the toss.
Who would you have in the Test team and who would be captain?
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Should be an interesting day today but I expect England to win. They seem to have the knack of getting out of trouble. Not many test teams score over 175 on the last day to win.
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Should be an interesting day today but I expect England to win. They seem to have the knack of getting out of trouble. Not many test teams score over 175 on the last day to win.
I'd make WI marginal favourites but if we can get an extra 30-40 runs this morning IMHO it's be 50:50. The pitch is helpful for bowlers but doesn't appear to have really deteriorated, unfortunately
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VG day of real Test cricket yesterday, even if there were some rusty players - and umpires - out there and it wasn't the same without a live audience. A few thoughts:
- Zak Crawley's a shoo-in for number 3 next test. Denley's done a decent, gritty, job but Crawley looks class
- Buttler's a good keeper and, I understand, a VG judge on when to appeal an ump's decision (unlike Bairstow!), but he's been found out as a Test batsman. I'd much prefer Foakes.
- If Dom Sibley could learn to play the sweep he'd be much more effective against the tweakers. As it is, he'd struggle against a class spin attack
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Agree with OHB, Buttler's technique isn't up to Test standard, Foakes is the best long term bet as 'keeper, anything over 200 today will be tough, we will need a couple of early wickets especially Brathwaite who does have patience & ability to stay at the crease a long time, also have a couple of stroke players but they may crack/panic under pressure. In any event it should be an exciting day.
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Sadly Denly days are numbered, looks OK without getting the scores . One Joe in for another .
Crawley looked and bats very similar to Lawrence . Losing so many wickets in the last period yesterday have put England on the back foot, has batting until lunch would have a bearing on Windies chancing a bigger target in lesser time and overs.
Windies the favourites, not sure wicket is turning enough for Bess to take enough wickets.
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Should be an interesting day today but I expect England to win. They seem to have the knack of getting out of trouble. Not many test teams score over 175 on the last day to win.
I fear that Broad not playing could be key. I'd be far more hopeful with him in the team. He has previous in these situations.
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If the Windies can’t win this “they want bl@@dy shooting”.
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If the Windies can’t win this “they want bl@@dy shooting”.
From their teatime position, 58 runs needed with 6 wickets left, WI have gotta be hot favourites.
Poor fielding has cost us big time.
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How is it that Blackwood only ever scores any runs against England? He always seems to need a lot of luck to do well when I've every seen him play. He averages 55 in 14 innings against England and 24 in 37 innings against everyone else.
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How is it that Blackwood only ever scores any runs against England? He always seems to need a lot of luck to do well when I've every seen him play. He averages 55 in 14 innings against England and 24 in 37 innings against everyone else.
'cos we're sh*t
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'cos we're sh*t
Your team then is?
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'cos we're sh*t
Your team then is?
Drop Wood, Buttler. Bring in Foakes and Broad...and Root of course. Add Leach and Parkinson to the squad for consideration. That's just for starters.
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How is it that Blackwood only ever scores any runs against England? He always seems to need a lot of luck to do well when I've every seen him play. He averages 55 in 14 innings against England and 24 in 37 innings against everyone else.
Mainly because we bowl short to him. Not what a west indian would expect and be used to.
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If Herr Burns is the next in line after Root, then we are in trouble.
Not quite sure what the problem with Burns is, even if he does look a bit like Lucifer. Please elaborate!
IMHO there is zero chance that Stokes will be replaced as V-C this summer unless he's injured or does something really stupid off-field. One big boo boo as captain (i.e. choosing to bat on Thursday) isn't enough to warrant it.
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Rory Burns favoured a 1930s comb over hairstyle which looked like a Spanish civil war George Orwell.
Someone else, who shall remain anonymous, likened RB to that little Austrian painter who got ideas above his station.
Not inferring that RB has any fascist leanings at all. However I believe that little Austrian did intend to invade this country and make Surrey perpetual County Champions...
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From Spoons' comments yesterday it's pretty obvious Denley's out but Buttler's still in.
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"Interesting" selection now Archer's ruled himself out - idiot! no doubt the Windies will be pleased.
I'd guess Ollie Robinson will be the man out.
Not our best bowling attack, but should get a lot of help form the weather (Looking at the grey skies surely it's put-em-in conditions?) and a lot of batting depth, Bess at 10? I'd bat Woakes above Buttler.
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Robinson should play. Better bowler than Woakes and a handy bat.
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Dull and windy here in Manchester. But that's enough about me, should be good swing bowling conditions. Hope we can bat well enough to get the wimdoes batting on a bunsen later on.
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How does Roston Chase continue to get wickets against England?
"Burns' bat was socially distanced from his pad" - TMS website
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How does Roston Chase continue to get wickets against England?
Simple. He bowls over arm. I wouldn't trust this England team to open a ketchup bottle.
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How does Roston Chase continue to get wickets against England?
Simple. He bowls over arm. I wouldn't trust this England team to open a ketchup bottle.
Does he bowl a flipper then?
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Well, I suppose we can't complain about 469-9 declared, even if the Windies bowlers were rather unlucky, lord knows how many times they beat the bat or edges didn't carry. Stokes, however, was magnificent anyway and Sibley looks like the attritional opener we've needed for years.d
Seeing the creaking state of Gabriel and Joseph being off the field makes me think that resting Wood & Anderson wasn't a bad move.
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How does Roston Chase continue to get wickets against England?
Simple. He bowls over arm. I wouldn't trust this England team to open a ketchup bottle.
Does he bowl a flipper then?
He gets some spin but it’s usually bad batting. Nothing against Royston (presumably named after his father’s favourite comedian) but anyone tweaking the ball at Old Trafford gets turn and wickets if they bowl long enough against gormless people in Alice bands who should “get th’bloody ‘air cut” to quote a mythical Yorkshire cricketer of days gone past.
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Well, I suppose we can't complain about 469-9 declared, even if the Windies bowlers were rather unlucky, lord knows how many times they beat the bat or edges didn't carry. Stokes, however, was magnificent anyway and Sibley looks like the attritional opener we've needed for years.d
Seeing the creaking state of Gabriel and Joseph being off the field makes me think that resting Wood & Anderson wasn't a bad move.
I like Stokes. Gave those ruffians a damn good thrashing...although I think I may need to stop reading the Daily Express website.
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England bowlers winked there way through the Windies first innings, although unable to knock them over before follow on total. Will be intresting what total Capt Root gives them to chase, but 80 mins morning batting should be enough to have another bowl before lunch .
Wonder why Crawley came in at three after Buttler was unfortunately out chasing a wide one, has Capt Root might have been more effective.
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England bowlers winked there way through the Windies first innings, although unable to knock them over before follow on total. Will be intresting what total Capt Root gives them to chase, but 80 mins morning batting should be enough to have another bowl before lunch .
Wonder why Crawley came in at three after Buttler was unfortunately out chasing a wide one, has Capt Root might have been more effective.
Nah need to leave around 90 overs to have the option of a 2nd new ball. Got to go bezerk with the bat for 6 overs tomorrow morning then pull out whatever.
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Great hitting by Stokes. However it is very cloudy here, although a bit windy. Need to get those lights on.
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92 off 11overs this morning and squeezed in second new ball later today . Can the Windies not get bowled out has runs now irrevelant ?
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Perfect day for England, stuck to their task through the second session all the made easier with three wickets before lunch and later did not need the insurance of the second new ball.
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Terrific performance. I thought we'd left the declaration a bit late, but all's well that ends well
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It is difficult to get through a decent top order once the ball goes soft. To bowl the Windies out in two sessions was good.
The need for real pace and quality spinner who turn suggests changes for Thursday. Leach in for Ness, Archer in for Curran?
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It is difficult to get through a decent top order once the ball goes soft. To bowl the Windies out in two sessions was good.
The need for real pace and quality spinner who turn suggests changes for Thursday. Leach in for Ness, Archer in for Curran?
Ness? Would that be Eliott Ness?
We should play both spinners. Remember 1956.
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Id play Parkinson. I have a worry that we will lose him to white ball cricket
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It is difficult to get through a decent top order once the ball goes soft. To bowl the Windies out in two sessions was good.
The need for real pace and quality spinner who turn suggests changes for Thursday. Leach in for Ness, Archer in for Curran?
Ness? Would that be Eliott Ness?
We should play both spinners. Remember 1956.
I do, but what happened, cricket-wise. Must admit at the time I was more interested in closely associating with young ladies that the details of cricket. IIRC I spent the summer holidays selling candy-floss and toffee apples on Southend Sea Front.
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IIRC I spent the summer holidays selling candy-floss and toffee apples on Southend Sea Front.
I might have bought a candy-floss from you, squareleg, although not quite old enough to qualify as a young lady at that time!
Lynda
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IIRC I spent the summer holidays selling candy-floss and toffee apples on Southend Sea Front.
I might have bought a candy-floss from you, squareleg, although not quite old enough to qualify as a young lady at that time!
Lynda
There's a thought!
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It is difficult to get through a decent top order once the ball goes soft. To bowl the Windies out in two sessions was good.
The need for real pace and quality spinner who turn suggests changes for Thursday. Leach in for Ness, Archer in for Curran?
Agreed.
Bess was disappointing with the ball - he batted well - so there's a strong case for bringing in Leach, or maybe even Moeen. I don't think the sectors would risk Parkinson as sole front-line spinner at the moment. The only way I could see us playing 2 spinners is one of them being an all-rounder, i.e. Mo, replacing Ollie Pope. Although young Ollie's done sod all wit the bat this series, I'd keep him in, he's got great potential, so for me, one spinner it is.
Archer has got to come in, presumably for Woakes or Curran. Both bowled well and would be entitled to feel a bit miffed at being dropped, but needs must. On balance I'd keep Woakes & drop Curran, although I like the left-arm variety the latter provides.
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It is difficult to get through a decent top order once the ball goes soft. To bowl the Windies out in two sessions was good.
The need for real pace and quality spinner who turn suggests changes for Thursday. Leach in for Ness, Archer in for Curran?
Agreed.
Bess was disappointing with the ball - he batted well - so there's a strong case for bringing in Leach, or maybe even Moeen. I don't think the sectors would risk Parkinson as sole front-line spinner at the moment. The only way I could see us playing 2 spinners is one of them being an all-rounder, i.e. Mo, replacing Ollie Pope. Although young Ollie's done sod all wit the bat this series, I'd keep him in, he's got great potential, so for me, one spinner it is.
I think Pope will get in next time on the strength of his fielding. Isn't it a good feeling, though, to have all these quality options. Now if only we could find a reliable opening partnership, although both Sibley and Burns have done well at times. I'd drop Buttler for Foakes, though.
Archer has got to come in, presumably for Woakes or Curran. Both bowled well and would be entitled to feel a bit miffed at being dropped, but needs must. On balance I'd keep Woakes & drop Curran, although I like the left-arm variety the latter provides.
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It is difficult to get through a decent top order once the ball goes soft. To bowl the Windies out in two sessions was good.
The need for real pace and quality spinner who turn suggests changes for Thursday. Leach in for Ness, Archer in for Curran?
Ness? Would that be Eliott Ness?
We should play both spinners. Remember 1956.
Remember 1976 and go with Archer and Wood? Outpace the Windies. If he brings a knife to a party you bring a gun...
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Going with the current trend the John Wisden Trophy played for by both countries is to be retired and replaced by Sir Ian Botham and Sir Viv Richards Trophy .
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Going with the current trend the John Wisden Trophy played for by both countries is to be retired and replaced by Sir Ian Botham and Sir Viv Richards Trophy .
Shoud that be Lord Botham?
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I favour the Holding Willey Receptacle.
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I favour the Holding Willey Receptacle.
I'd vote for that as well
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Anderson and Archer in for Sam Curran and Zak Crawley. Didn't see that coming, I thought if they were going for an extra seamer they'd drop BEss.
I presume Root will bat at 3. Who'll bat at 6?
Swing conditions, we've been put in. I am nervous.
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I should have realized that Stokes may not be able to bowl.
Still, I'm surprised by the selection, our batting lineup looks a bit iffy, I'd be much happier with Flakes in for Buttler, the former looks much more like a number 6 than the latter.
Interesting Windies se!ecting a specialist spinner, who is already getting some turn. And they've taken a big risk with Gabriel, he does not look for at all.
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Flakes? Given the performance this morning that should apply to the whole lower order.
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Sloppy first hour on Saturday and now Sunday for England. However the dropped Broad is making a point with 60 and 6 wickets have kept the pressure on. With the weather forecast not good for 4th day Monday would have been intresting if the follow on would have been enforced if they had the option.
If the run rate is good, might squeeze half hour at them tonight if light is OK.
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Pleasant but cool, not sure they’ll get an extra half hour.
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Great third test win for England by colossal 269 runs and with fourth day completely rained off. Special game for Broad, 500 test wickets , ten for and sixty runs . Good turn around from being one down, good win for Silverwood has coach .
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Great bowling by Broad & Woakes. There will be some difficult choices for the selectors for the Pakistan Test.
And a BIG Thank You to the West Indies for coming. You may have lost the series, but you made a lot of friends.
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Turned out the weather was poor later today, so fortunately our bowlers were on the mark and their bats wanted to go home.
Broad has his faults, but I think he and the other seamers have done their jobs (albeit in helpful conditions). You don't take 500 wickets without hard work and talent. I suspect he needs a KITA occasionally and got into the habit of 'turning up' for one match in 3.
Seemingly the lockdown break has really benefitted our seamers - perhaps they should keep that in mind before going off to the IPL/Franchise tournaments (when they eventually restart).
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And a BIG Thank You to the West Indies for coming. You may have lost the series, but you made a lot of friends.
I'd second that. They could do with their bats spending sometime in English conditions.
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A great result for Eng, full credit to WI for coming over here in the current Covid climate, they are a reasonable bowling unit but sadly the batting is relatively weak with no standout players although the likes of Hope, Brooks, Hetmyer, who didn't tour, & Blackwood clearly have ability. If they can improve then WI have a chance to do better, big plus also to Jason Holder - a thoroughly decent man & good Captain.