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Cricket => Essex Players - Wintering . => Topic started by: mawallace on November 09, 2019, 03:10:29 PM
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Playing for the Deccan Gladiators in the T10 league from Nov 15th
16 Nov - Bangla Tigers v Deccan Gladiators - 15 off 8 balls - n/out
18 Nov - Karnataka Tuskers v Deccan Gladiators - 11 runs off 6 balls, caught
19 Nov - Deccan Gladiators v Qalandars - 4 runs off 5 balls - caught
23 Nov - Bangla Tigers v Deccan Gladiators - 33 runs off 13 balls, plus 2 runs off 1 over bowling
24 Nov - Deccan Gladiators v Maratha Arabians - 4 runs off 8 balls - caught
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Playing in the Deccan Gladiators for the T10 league from Nov 15th
Playing for the Deccan Gladiators in the T10 league from Nov 15th. There I've sorted it out for you.
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Having a good lions trip. 50 and a wicket in the first match followed by 35 and a four-fer
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Having a good lions trip. 50 and a wicket in the first match followed by 35 and a four-fer
Also Man of the Match in the second game. Interesting to see he has bowled a full allocation in both games so far.
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Dan de Lion!
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Century for England Lions vs Cricket Australia XI
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Dan's form is gaining a lot of attention. One pundit had him in his test squad for Sri Lanka. That did not happen but he must be getting close to a call up if his form continues. It is beginning to look like Essex have a middle order crisis looming. Bopara gone, Lawrence with Lions/England and RTD probably in his last season. No longer captain and rarely bowling RTD needs a stack of runs to maintain his place. Who is in the wings to fill the gaps?
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Dan's form is gaining a lot of attention. One pundit had him in his test squad for Sri Lanka. That did not happen but he must be getting close to a call up if his form continues. It is beginning to look like Essex have a middle order crisis looming. Bopara gone, Lawrence with Lions/England and RTD probably in his last season. No longer captain and rarely bowling RTD needs a stack of runs to maintain his place. Who is in the wings to fill the gaps?
Pepper, Patel, Khushi, Buttleman, Walter.
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Of those listed Nat, who do have confidence in?
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Patel looked out of his depth against Notts last summer ...
None of them are ready for a run in the first team from what I've seen.
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Of those listed Nat, who do have confidence in?
None of them. However they are full time professionals who have played in the 2XI for some time. If they are not good enough they should be replaced. 2020 will be big year for all of them.
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Dan's form is gaining a lot of attention. One pundit had him in his test squad for Sri Lanka. That did not happen but he must be getting close to a call up if his form continues. It is beginning to look like Essex have a middle order crisis looming. Bopara gone, Lawrence with Lions/England and RTD probably in his last season. No longer captain and rarely bowling RTD needs a stack of runs to maintain his place. Who is in the wings to fill the gaps?
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Can't see where there's a vacancy in England's middle order. Not only will he have to play well and keep it up. It has to coincide with players in England's team losing form. If Root plays for Yorkshire in April ? It's a massive game for any of our players that want to play for England.
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Patel looked out of his depth against Notts last summer ...
None of them are ready for a run in the first team from what I've seen.
Patel looked okay to me against Surrey
We really do have to give them a run in the team if we believe in them. We have certainly done that with the bowlers
Bowlers can get away with the odd mistake. For batters - one mistake and out
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Dan's form is gaining a lot of attention. One pundit had him in his test squad for Sri Lanka. That did not happen but he must be getting close to a call up if his form continues. It is beginning to look like Essex have a middle order crisis looming. Bopara gone, Lawrence with Lions/England and RTD probably in his last season. No longer captain and rarely bowling RTD needs a stack of runs to maintain his place. Who is in the wings to fill the gaps?
Pepper, Patel, Khushi, Buttleman, Walter.
Chopra as well. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was given a go in the middle order. I’m not a fan but perhaps he may do better away from the new ball?
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When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.
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When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.
Yes
And the fans have to show patience, too.
We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way
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When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.
Yes
And the fans have to show patience, too.
We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way
We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
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When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.
Yes
And the fans have to show patience, too.
We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way
We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Trouble is...you'll be grinning from afar while we'll be bearing it at the ground. We should be expecting Essex to be competitive from the get go.
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When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.
Yes
And the fans have to show patience, too.
We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way
We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Trouble is...you'll be grinning from afar while we'll be bearing it at the ground. We should be expecting Essex to be competitive from the get go.
There is nothing to say we won't be competitive. Just that we are in transition so there may be some ups and downs
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There is much more satisfaction in seeing home grown talent succeed, than importing an overseas mercenary. I think we will still be competitive, and won games when Bopara was dropped last season.
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When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.
Yes
And the fans have to show patience, too.
We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way
We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Trouble is...you'll be grinning from afar while we'll be bearing it at the ground. We should be expecting Essex to be competitive from the get go.
There is nothing to say we won't be competitive. Just that we are in transition so there may be some ups and downs
I would rather be in transition as county champions than doing so at the foot of div2
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We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Trouble is...you'll be grinning from afar while we'll be bearing it at the ground. We should be expecting Essex to be competitive from the get go.
I won't 'be grinning' at all.
I've not expected us to do anywhere near as well as we have in the past 3 seasons. Back when we made changes in captain, chairman and coach I wanted us to show signs of improvement - to compete for promotion. When we won promotion, I wanted us to 'consolidate' (i.e. not drop straight back down as before). In the event, we won D2 then went on to win D1 twice and the T20.
I just fail to see where we can buy in talent - this is not the 1980s when we could pick up disaffected home players and get pretty much the pick of the overseas talent.
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Patel looked okay to me against Surrey
Me too.
Rather him than Chopra.
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Patel looked okay to me against Surrey
Me too.
Rather him than Chopra.
So you're easily satisfied by a flashy 30.
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Patel looked okay to me against Surrey
Me too.
Rather him than Chopra.
So you're easily satisfied by a flashy 30.
Nope
I was impressed with his range of shots and temperament
He is learning and will learn more by being given a run in the first eleven. He won't be helped by sniping from the sidelines
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Has anyone noticed that Dan Lawrence scored 190 against the Aussies? Now, cue Nat's scathing dismissal of the bowling attack...
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Has anyone noticed that Dan Lawrence scored 190 against the Aussies? Now, cue Nat's scathing dismissal of the bowling attack...
I never do that. However I note that Jennings got a big ton and even Gregory got runs against that bowling.
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Dan needs a shed full of runs to break into the new Silverwood set up . Perhaps at present a 50 over side is the only option, and that with a few overs to bowl if required , do that and you never known.
Runs by top order has taken pressure in the middle order in the Test side and given the power in 20/20 side, eg scoring 200 plus chasing , looks unlikely.
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The success of the past three seasons have been beyond my wildest dreams to be honest and I don’t think anyone (apart no doubt from the usual clueless bookies and the “super fans”) will really be expecting anything like the repeat of them this coming season.
It’s most definitely a time of transition coming up and patience is needed to give the youngsters a real chance to see if they are good enough. Trouble is, if they are not, then I dread to think where we go in 2021 when we will also most likely be without The Chef, Tendo and most crucially, an “England qualified” Harmer!
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The success of the past three seasons have been beyond my wildest dreams to be honest and I don’t think anyone (apart no doubt from the usual clueless bookies and the “super fans”) will really be expecting anything like the repeat of them this coming season.
It’s most definitely a time of transition coming up and patience is needed to give the youngsters a real chance to see if they are good enough. Trouble is, if they are not, then I dread to think where we go in 2021 when we will also most likely be without The Chef, Tendo and most crucially, an “England qualified” Harmer!
Exactly. Team recruitment is being driven by finance at the moment. The club is not rich and is falling further behind many counties, not least the likes of Somerset (take a look at their finances). The team has massively over-performed in recent years primarily off the backs of a few players, RTD, Harmer, Porter, Masters. The trick is to manage how the team evolves to ensure continued success or at least continued competitiveness. I don't see that managed evolution happening at the moment. If I'm correct then there is a high risk the team will decline very rapidly.
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The success of the past three seasons have been beyond my wildest dreams to be honest and I don’t think anyone (apart no doubt from the usual clueless bookies and the “super fans”) will really be expecting anything like the repeat of them this coming season.
It’s most definitely a time of transition coming up and patience is needed to give the youngsters a real chance to see if they are good enough. Trouble is, if they are not, then I dread to think where we go in 2021 when we will also most likely be without The Chef, Tendo and most crucially, an “England qualified” Harmer!
Lots of ifs and buts
Harmer, himself, reckons it is a long shot that he will get to play for England. Cook is contracted until end of 2021 and who knows what Tendo will do - he might find freedom in not being captain
Might well be two overseas next season so Harmer (if not England qualified) plus a batter?
But you are right - patience will be needed. I hope this message board remembers that.
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Dan got three wickets and bowled 26.2 overs!
Awarded man of the match [see Essex website] ... it's great to see him doing well :)
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The success of the past three seasons have been beyond my wildest dreams to be honest and I don’t think anyone (apart no doubt from the usual clueless bookies and the “super fans”) will really be expecting anything like the repeat of them this coming season.
It’s most definitely a time of transition coming up and patience is needed to give the youngsters a real chance to see if they are good enough. Trouble is, if they are not, then I dread to think where we go in 2021 when we will also most likely be without The Chef, Tendo and most crucially, an “England qualified” Harmer!
Some of our colleagues patient...... February’s joke of the month!
Lots of ifs and buts
Harmer, himself, reckons it is a long shot that he will get to play for England. Cook is contracted until end of 2021 and who knows what Tendo will do - he might find freedom in not being captain
Might well be two overseas next season so Harmer (if not England qualified) plus a batter?
But you are right - patience will be needed. I hope this message board remembers that.
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Exactly. Team recruitment is being driven by finance at the moment. The club is not rich and is falling further behind many counties, not least the likes of Somerset (take a look at their finances). The team has massively over-performed in recent years primarily off the backs of a few players, RTD, Harmer, Porter, Masters. The trick is to manage how the team evolves to ensure continued success or at least continued competitiveness. I don't see that managed evolution happening at the moment. If I'm correct then there is a high risk the team will decline very rapidly.
What do you mean by 'managed evolution'? The club has given contracts to, and then released, a few younger players who've had limited opportunities. Either they won't make it, or the club has been a little premature.
Apart from that, the club hasn't splashed cash on overseas talent - presumably because we haven't got that sort of money or aren't prepared to go out on a limb (as we apparently can't balance the books at the moment after winning a number of trophies over the past 3 seasons). Gloucestershire have hired a star bat, should we have done the same? or could we have done the same?
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Pujara is not a "star bat" in early english conditions. His record is awful. I have seen his struggles for Yorkshire. I do not understand on what basis Glos have also signed Jerome Taylor on a three year deal. He played recently as an overseas in the T20 for Somerset.
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Pujara is not a "star bat" in early english conditions. His record is awful. I have seen his struggles for Yorkshire. I do not understand on what basis Glos have also signed Jerome Taylor on a three year deal. He played recently as an overseas in the T20 for Somerset.
Well, I hope you're right as we don't want Glous leapfrogging over us! However, it goes to show how difficult it can be to get an overseas star that will perform well for a county - we've had a few 'Lulu's' in our time.
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Dan follows up his good form with another ton on the first day of the A test.
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RE Harmer, if he is one of two overseas players in future, could he not just go back to playing for SA (and Essex)?
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That would be too simple! Unfortunately their quota system leads them to pick Maharaj instead. It is beginning too look like Lawrence might be next in line for a test call up. Tom Westley might be unfortunate in inheriting a team in transition.
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Dan gets quite a mention on this weeks Wisden Weekly Cricket Podcast. They make a fair assessment of where he is at at the moment
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There's this article from the podcast: https://www.wisden.com/stories/podcast/dan-lawrence-england-lions-podcast
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Has his own organic style . New style too me !!
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Interesting article -
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/banner/dan_lawrence_ecb_performance_director_mo_bobat_england_lions_ashes.html
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This article too about Dan makes interesting reading:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28836089/technical-tweaks-trigger-dan-lawrence-stellar-england-lions-form
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I have never understood the need for a trigger movement. if you need to move as the ball is bowled then you have the wrong guard or are standing too far/not far enough in your crease.
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I have never understood the need for a trigger movement. if you need to move as the ball is bowled then you have the wrong guard or are standing too far/not far enough in your crease.
It is to get your body moving in preparation for receiving the ball (either hitting it or leaving it). Some/many players find it difficult to stand still and then react quickly enough once the ball is bowled.
I'll send you my invoice for this coaching advice.
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I have never understood the need for a trigger movement. if you need to move as the ball is bowled then you have the wrong guard or are standing too far/not far enough in your crease.
It is to get your body moving in preparation for receiving the ball (either hitting it or leaving it). Some/many players find it difficult to stand still and then react quickly enough once the ball is bowled.
I'll send you my invoice for this coaching advice.
But the problem is you then have a moving ball and a moving head. The eyes can not track the ball, especially with fast bowling, well enough to ensure getting in line and timing of the shot.
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bobw - don't encourage nat or he will be billing the website!
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The future is bright for Dan’s Test career after finishing the two Tours with 248 runs at an average of 27.55 across the five matches he played against Sri Lanka and India.
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The future is bright for Dan’s Test career after finishing the two Tours with 248 runs at an average of 27.55 across the five matches he played against Sri Lanka and India.
you are easily pleased if you think an average of 27 is anywhere near good.
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The future is bright for Dan’s Test career after finishing the two Tours with 248 runs at an average of 27.55 across the five matches he played against Sri Lanka and India.
you are easily pleased if you think an average of 27 is anywhere near good.
For his debut tour, in conditions he would not have played in, I think he can be fairly happy with his winter.
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The future is bright for Dan’s Test career after finishing the two Tours with 248 runs at an average of 27.55 across the five matches he played against Sri Lanka and India.
you are easily pleased if you think an average of 27 is anywhere near good.
For his debut tour, in conditions he would not have played in, I think he can be fairly happy with his winter.
Agreed.
Let's not forget he batted at 3 for two Tests and 7 for the last one. Not where he'd prefer to bat, I'm sure
And Dan ended up with a better batting average that any of the openers, Bairstow or Pope managed.
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The future is bright for Dan’s Test career after finishing the two Tours with 248 runs at an average of 27.55 across the five matches he played against Sri Lanka and India.
you are easily pleased if you think an average of 27 is anywhere near good.
For his debut tour, in conditions he would not have played in, I think he can be fairly happy with his winter.
Agreed.
Let's not forget he batted at 3 for two Tests and 7 for the last one. Not where he'd prefer to bat, I'm sure
And Dan ended up with a better batting average that any of the openers, Bairstow or Pope managed.
...and the team lost (badly) 3-1
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If folk are gonna talk about Dan Lawrence on here, can the mods do me a favour and sort out the misspelling of his surname on the thread's title? It's driving me bloody crazy!
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I have never understood the need for a trigger movement. if you need to move as the ball is bowled then you have the wrong guard or are standing too far/not far enough in your crease.
It is to get your body moving in preparation for receiving the ball (either hitting it or leaving it). Some/many players find it difficult to stand still and then react quickly enough once the ball is bowled.
I'll send you my invoice for this coaching advice.
But the problem is you then have a moving ball and a moving head. The eyes can not track the ball, especially with fast bowling, well enough to ensure getting in line and timing of the shot.
Well I guess there's a trade off with any stance. Peter Willey found a two eyed stance worked for him. Mike brearley improved with an upright stance then reverted back right near the end of his career.
Having said that I suspect there's a lot of faddish thinking in coaching...
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If folk are gonna talk about Dan Lawrence on here, can the mods do me a favour and sort out the misspelling of his surname on the thread's title? It's driving me bloody crazy!
I haven't found an easy way but will go throught the thread :)
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Done ✔
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The future is bright for Dan’s Test career after finishing the two Tours with 248 runs at an average of 27.55 across the five matches he played against Sri Lanka and India.
you are easily pleased if you think an average of 27 is anywhere near good.
For his debut tour, in conditions he would not have played in, I think he can be fairly happy with his winter.
Agreed.
Let's not forget he batted at 3 for two Tests and 7 for the last one. Not where he'd prefer to bat, I'm sure
And Dan ended up with a better batting average that any of the openers, Bairstow or Pope managed.
...and the team lost (badly) 3-1
They did, but that is not what was being spoken about!!!
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To me, he wasn't great, just decent, a bit like Tom Westleys attempts to conquer test cricket.
I cannot see where he will get a gig if everyone is available this Summer, which will be great for ECCC.
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To me, he wasn't great, just decent, a bit like Tom Westleys attempts to conquer test cricket.
I cannot see where he will get a gig if everyone is available this Summer, which will be great for ECCC.
Agree, although Westley had more favourable conditions than Lawrence.
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To me, he wasn't great, just decent, a bit like Tom Westleys attempts to conquer test cricket.
I cannot see where he will get a gig if everyone is available this Summer, which will be great for ECCC.
Possibly number 6, he did better than Ollie Pope this winter.