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Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: mawallace on August 24, 2019, 08:03:42 PM

Title: Hamps - Away
Post by: mawallace on August 24, 2019, 08:03:42 PM
Essex squad (unchanged):-

Simon Harmer (11) (Captain)
Mohammad Amir (5)
Aaron Beard (14)
Ravi Bopara (25)
Sam Cook (16)
Cameron Delport (89)
Ryan ten Doeschate (27)
Dan Lawrence (28)
Jamie Porter (44)
Shane Snater (29)
Paul Walter (22)
Tom Westley (21)
Adam Wheater (31) (Wicket-keeper)
Adam Zampa (88)

Hampshire Squad:-

Kyle Abbott (11)
Brad Taylor (93)
Tom Alsop (9)
Rilee Rossouw (30)
James Fuller (26)
Lewis McManus (18)
James Vince (14)   Captain
Liam Dawson (8)
Sam Northeast (17)
Tabraiz Shamsi (90)
Chris Morris (2)
Ian Holland (22)
Chris Wood (25)
Ryan Stevenson (47)


Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: SirChef26 on August 25, 2019, 04:30:39 PM
Northeast ties it for Hampshire. Someone check on Valentines Park quickly! Harmer’s s**t captaincy and Beard’s s**t bowling knocks us out the competition. Penny for Ravi’s thoughts, stuck with an over left.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: Andy on August 25, 2019, 05:05:08 PM
Nowadays to score under 140 on a hot day and not lose is pretty good going! Was it an opportunity to push Beard up the order? Is Lawrence’s sudden change in form because someone has tipped him off about The Hundred? Has Ravi been practising his joined up handwriting?
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: neil on August 25, 2019, 05:07:56 PM
Nowadays to score under 140 on a hot day and not lose is pretty good going! Was it an opportunity to push Beard up the order? Is Lawrence’s sudden change in form because someone has tipped him off about The Hundred? Has Ravi been practising his joined up handwriting?

Or, maybe, Lawrence is settled now his contract situation is sorted out
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: IlfordEagle on August 25, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
Amazing that the 2 teams have tied for a second successive season & I believe for the 3rd time overall in T20. A pity we are now out of contention but at least we have done better than last year (not exactly difficult!).
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: Andy on August 25, 2019, 06:42:48 PM
Nowadays to score under 140 on a hot day and not lose is pretty good going! Was it an opportunity to push Beard up the order? Is Lawrence’s sudden change in form because someone has tipped him off about The Hundred? Has Ravi been practising his joined up handwriting?

Or, maybe, Lawrence is settled now his contract situation is sorted out

Contract with whom?  Also, which party was delaying?
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: mawallace on August 25, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Having been at the match there's a few points.

Until the last few overs the game was ours. However Aaron's over turned the game over in their favour.  I felt sorry for him. It was clear that after the first wide he was panicking. Simon tried to help him between every ball. However; Amir's final over and wide sealed the fate of the game.

Disappointing as a lot of Hampshire supporters left from around the 15th over having seen enough and convinced that we were going to walk it
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: neil on August 25, 2019, 06:47:54 PM
Nowadays to score under 140 on a hot day and not lose is pretty good going! Was it an opportunity to push Beard up the order? Is Lawrence’s sudden change in form because someone has tipped him off about The Hundred? Has Ravi been practising his joined up handwriting?

Or, maybe, Lawrence is settled now his contract situation is sorted out

Contract with whom?  Also, which party was delaying?

With Essex

And who knows who was delaying - if anyone was

Have you any insight?
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: Reddevil on August 25, 2019, 07:57:29 PM
Having watched this utterly dismal game, where neither side seemed at all bothered who won it, I only hope my fellow board member mawallace was as underwhelmed as I was, and left the ground wondering whether I would have spent a more productive three and a half hours washing my hair.

His observations regarding the hapless Beard are sadly all too true. With three overs to go, two to be bowled by Amir, Hampshire had somehow sleepwalked their way through their innings, until they needed 40 odd at 14 an over.

Enter our saviour, Mr Beard, allegedly a promising prospect worth cultivating, according to our illustrious management team.

I watched at first in bemusement, then mounting horror after the third wide in his final over, and finally incandescent rage as our nemesis, Northeast accepted Beard’s  offerings with slightly apologetic glee.

He obviously could not believe his luck. How is it possible, that a supposedly professional bowler could send down nine of the worst balls I have had the misfortune to witness in over sixty years of watching.

The kindest thoughts I have for Mr Beard is to look for another occupation and spare not only himself but suffering supporters and team mates abject heartache. 

 The wide epidemic then spread to Amir, who bowled two wides in his final over, leaving him to defend 12 runs to avoid defeat. I suppose it is to his credit that he managed to restrict Hampshire to two runs off the final two balls, but this certainly felt like a loss.

Once I had calmed down slightly, I asked myself this question.

Why oh why, are neither Sam Cook or Porter not playing in these vital key matches, where the difference between success or failure can be one good over or two successive sixes?

I understand the argument that they are being preserved for red ball cricket and that this is our primary target this season, if this is the reason for their non selection.

I understand it, but do not agree with it.

Porter and Cook are professional fit young bowlers. Is the difference between the white and red ball so much, that we discard our two best pace bowlers in T20 games?

Could not at least one of them have been picked for the remaining games when we still had a slim chance of qualifying.

If Porter or Cook had been playing, we would have won this game, and thus maintained our interest in the competition. Can’t see it now.

Perhaps it is a good thing, that I now live in Hampshire and do not see at first hand the haphazard, unpredictability of our team. It would drive me crazy.

Hampshire are no better, totally inconsistent, and but for the sizeable investment from Rod Bransgrove, enabling acquisition of quality Kolpak and overseas players, they would probably be languishing in Division Two.

I need a lie down. 






Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: LeedsExile on August 26, 2019, 10:46:48 AM
Excellent post as ever RD. Of all the aspects of one day cricket that I find totally unacceptable is the bowling of no balls and wides. It is the basic minimum for any bowler to not bowl wides. They even manage to bowl them in test matches these days when the criteria is more lax.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: neil on August 26, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
I think with Porter and Cook it's ensuring they are fit for the CC games in September. They are both just returning from injury and IIRC someone on the Kent thread suggested that Porter didn't look that fit. I see he is playing for the seconds today

I can imagine the outcry on here if one of them got an injury during a 20/20 game that kept them out of the September games.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: Andy on August 26, 2019, 11:03:46 AM
At the risk of incurring the ire of our more venerable members, Beard has been seen by others on this board as showing promise.

As for the ‘professionals shouldn’t bowl wides or no balls’ I can understand the point, but I’ve grown up watching the likes of Bob Willis continually overstepping and if you look on YouTube you can see Daryl Tuffey’s nightmare, not to mention Scott Boswell who’s meltdown in a final lead to a breakdown.

There are times when certain players appear to not want to be on the pitch playing for that team (remember Lopsy?) but I would hope that this is not the case with Aaron. Having said that, who is our bowling coach?

Also, those grumbling about the absence of Porter and Little Chef would be the first to complain if they broke down injured in a T20 match...
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: JasonP on August 26, 2019, 11:51:40 AM
Porter is a terrible death bowler and Cook was smashed around when he did it last year in a couple of matches.  Cook has played 5 T20 matches for the second XI recently and in 3 of them went for 47, 50 and 46 in his 4 overs.  Beard is not a great T20 bowler but neither are the other 2.  They could both have easily gone for the same.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: SirChef26 on August 26, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
At the risk of incurring the ire of our more venerable members, Beard has been seen by others on this board as showing promise.

As for the ‘professionals shouldn’t bowl wides or no balls’ I can understand the point, but I’ve grown up watching the likes of Bob Willis continually overstepping and if you look on YouTube you can see Daryl Tuffey’s nightmare, not to mention Scott Boswell who’s meltdown in a final lead to a breakdown.

There are times when certain players appear to not want to be on the pitch playing for that team (remember Lopsy?) but I would hope that this is not the case with Aaron. Having said that, who is our bowling coach?

Also, those grumbling about the absence of Porter and Little Chef would be the first to complain if they broke down injured in a T20 match...
When Kevan James is in fits of laughter on the radio, calling your bowling rubbish only because he couldn’t say it was s**t live on air, you know it’s embarrassing.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: JasonP on August 26, 2019, 12:07:04 PM
Excellent post as ever RD. Of all the aspects of one day cricket that I find totally unacceptable is the bowling of no balls and wides. It is the basic minimum for any bowler to not bowl wides. They even manage to bowl them in test matches these days when the criteria is more lax.

Quite often these days the bowlers at the death aim for for the "wide line" outside the off stump to stop them getting hacked leg side, which is the go to shot for most batsman at that stage.  You're always going to bowl the odd wide doing that.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: Suffolk Richard on August 26, 2019, 01:19:42 PM
With the experience our second string bowlers are getting and occasionally the odd batsman as well. We should be a god bet for the diluted one day cup next season.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: Reddevil on August 26, 2019, 05:02:49 PM
The odd wide JasonP agreed, not three in one over, which ultimately cost Essex 20 runs.

The point I am making about Porter and Cook, is that their greater experience would probably have seen them bowl a significantly run reduced over.

Obviously Beard has his champions and have seen him perform better than I have seen. I wish him well..

Of course bowlers try to negate the leg side hoick, by bowling wide of the off stump. As professional bowlers, margins should be managed, not failing three times in six balls.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: essexfan548 on August 26, 2019, 05:06:07 PM
Surely Tom or Dan could not have done worse than Beard?
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: neil on August 26, 2019, 05:12:31 PM


The point I am making about Porter and Cook, is that their greater experience would probably have seen them bowl a significantly run reduced over.


And that point may or may not be true

The underlying situation was that they were both returning from injury so the sensible decision was not to risk them - when there are bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: essexfan548 on August 26, 2019, 05:16:54 PM
I agree with not playing Jamie or Sam but I can't believe someone in yesterday's team could not have made a better job of 19th over.
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: smandlej on August 26, 2019, 05:39:51 PM
Or could someone have made a better job of choosing the bowler for the penultimate over?

Lynda
Title: Re: Hamps - Away
Post by: essexfan548 on August 26, 2019, 05:42:39 PM
Or could someone have made a better job of choosing the bowler for the penultimate over?

Lynda

Yes - that too!