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Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: JasonP on August 06, 2019, 04:00:42 PM
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Bopara back. Be interesting to see whether he plays or not? I suspect not.
Simon Harmer (11) (captain)
Mohammad Amir (5)
Aaron Beard (14)
Ravi Bopara (25)
Sam Cook (16)
Cameron Delport (89)
Ryan ten Doeschate (27)
Dan Lawrence (28)
Jamie Porter(44)
Shane Snater (29)
Paul Walter (22)
Tom Westley (21)
Adam Wheater (31) (wicket-keeper)
Adam Zampa (88)
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Oh dear JasonP need to eat some humble pie.
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Oh dear JasonP need to eat some humble pie.
Why? If he was dropped for no other reason than the coach/captain think he's not good enough to make a poor Essex T20 side then that is ridiculous. He was dropped from the squad after a match that didn't even take place against Gloucestershire at home and then brought back after a game which we won easily. That makes no sense at all.
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Bopara back. Be interesting to see whether he plays or not? I suspect not.
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Nostradamus you are not.
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When will Harmer accept he is not a T20 bowler?!
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(Another) embarrassment.
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With a bit of luck, our remaining matches might all be rained off. That would be a result.
Anything to avoid another evening like tonight.
The team were not even pathetic, well short of that.
Essex can look forward to playing to a half empty County ground or worse, unless major T20 issues are addressed.
Will we learn from this year, seems unlikely.
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A total & utter embarrassment tonight with only Ravi of the bowlers escaping criticism & all the batsmen deserve locking up for that spineless & hopeless display where they just threw their wickets away giving Somerset's fielders catching practice. We really have no idea how to play T20 these days & only the weather can save us losing to Glam on Fri which would really be the pits.
Next year there won't be any sellouts at Chelmsford unless our T20 displays dramatically improve , which I suspect they won't, people are not going to waste their money watching that level of performance.
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After last week yet another pathetic, spineless and embarrassing defeat. All out after 12 Overs !! Have to believe that the Club and players have no interest or motivation for T20. Our two overseas "stars" Amir and Zampa conceded 87 runs in their 8 Overs - are they really worth the large sum of money that we are paying them ? Also what could be the reasoning for playing Walter and Beard in preference to Porter and Sam Cook who were actually named in the squad. Paying Supporters are likely to be rather less keen to part with money for tickets next Season unless there is a big change in team performances.
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Will the performance of the team really effect sales.
Remember, last year our performance was as dire.
Agree that it seems the club is not interested in the one day and t20 game. Really was poor last night.
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Second biggest defeat ever for the club in T20, only beaten by 143 run defeat in 2011, also against Somerset.
We have an opener who does not play but was involved in the highest ever opening stand in Essex T20 history........AN Cook.
Give him a go, at least we might bat more than 13 overs.
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Agree that it seems the club is not interested in the one day and t20 game. Really was poor last night.
I wouldn't swap this current era with when we were supposedly good at one day cricket.
Saying that we are now the worst one day side in the country.
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weel, this isn’t ‘proper cricket’ why are people getting so upset. If we’d picked the likes of little chef and porter and they got injured, if we picked big Chef and he faffed around at the top of the order...
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Interesting to read the comments, all rather unanimous about No Change Essex.
In reality the Club have never really had a clue how to approach T20, and from what I can tell, admittedly from afar, is that they formed their (rigid) tactics for the T20 in 2003 when the format was introduced and haven't really changed them since.
I think the difference is now the team appears to be full of players who are a); not suited to and therefore shouldn't be playing T20, or b); ones who are way past their best, but look to live out their past "glories". As opposed to the Grayson era when it clearly was the Club's overwhelming desire and increased desperation to win the competition, to the degree where ill-thought signings such as the selfish, underperforming Shah were primarily engaged to play in the tournament to the detriment of all else. Of course being an insular and defensively minded Club ECCC still insisted to the bitter end, when all evidence pointed otherwise that the Championship was their priority.
Now the Championship is the priority. - Personally I'm delighted that's the situation!
I doubt the crowds would have fallen too much in any case, after all, with the abysmal facilities, cramped nature and a tiny capacity it would be difficult not to claim a "sell-out" crowd.
However, come next season when T20 will be made largely peripheral by the Franchise cricket, then the sizeable minority from which these "sell-outs" comprise (largely consisting of summering football supporters) who will move on to the next thing.
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Speaking as someone who usually only attends a couple of 20-20 games I only consider it a bit of fun,I am not too bothered if we win or lose I just like to see an entertaining or close game.I was lucky to see the Surrey game and will be attending next Wednesday.I am totally satisfied if Essex are prioritising the Championship over 20-20,that is mine and I believe most members priority.
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Like most other real Essex supporters I dearly want us to win the CC again & I believe we will although it will be close with Somerset & Yorkshire, who are coming up fast on the rails & who have an 'easy' looking run in, pressing us, however I still follow us in white ball cricket enthusiastically & at least want us to be competitive which frankly we are not , only a couple of times in each competition have we been so this season. It has been a gradual decline over 2/3 seasons to the point where we are arguably the weakest team in the South group. It has been previously mentioned about having a 1 day Coach & this should be given serious thought, I had hoped Mascarenhas might make a difference but alas no & we really haven't moved on & look laboured at best & recently de motivated.
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Totally accept that the disciplines required and different formats between red and white ball cricket, and that these dictate team selection, hence omission of Porter Cook, Little Chef. Is he fit now?
However I might be fanciful here, but I would like to think that professional pride still accounts for much, and is an important value of this wonderful game.
In successive home matches we have suffered horrendous collapses, last night 8-36 and dismissed in under 13 overs. Not much professional pride here.
An increasing worry is that losing continually, becomes a habit, as self confidence declines, anxiety magnifies and an ever deepening rut from which to escape is ever more difficult.
Is this form going to affect our Championship performance. I would like to think not, as the team will be significantly different, but if we do go to the last match in contention with Somerset, they will have derived a big confidence boost, even if a different format.
Some members of this board seem worryingly complacent if we fail to attract decent crowds.
It is hard enough for cricket to attract decent crowds, even to our small ground. Crowds represent income, whether through membership, casual attendance, families and commodity sales from beer, ice cream to burgers.
We are not the wealthiest County, not by a long way, and the more finance we can generate from whatever source, the better the players we can afford, especially overseas players, and thus turn our fortunes around.
Whether purists like it or not, T20 is now an integral part of our game, and with The Hundred arriving next year with its franchise bases far from Chelmsford, retaining support, financial and attendant, will become even harder.
Even the most loyal of supporters can turn away if results continue to be abysmal, let alone the likelihood of attracting a new generation of fans.
Wake up Essex, the future is now.
I would hope some really serious dialogue is now happening at senior management and ownership level, and that heads are not burying themselves in the sand.
I have my doubts.
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I genuinely believe that the average person attending a 20/20 match has little idea of where the teams are in their league. I know some people who attend a couple of Yorkshire matches and say they go for the "spectacle" and the night out. They really do not care who wins but want to see plenty of "action". I suspect that this is true of many so even a losing team still brings in the crowds.
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I genuinely believe that the average person attending a 20/20 match has little idea of where the teams are in their league. I know some people who attend a couple of Yorkshire matches and say they go for the "spectacle" and the night out. They really do not care who wins but want to see plenty of "action". I suspect that this is true of many so even a losing team still brings in the crowds.
Sadly, i think you are spot on! As long as the p***heads get to see a few balls flying out of the ground, then most of them dont give a stuff from whom's bat the ball has been dispatched from!.....and that will only get worse next year too!! :(
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It’s the revenue loss I’m worried about. People aren’t going to come next year at this rate and that will hit our coffers hard. The club only have themselves to blame though.
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I genuinely believe that the average person attending a 20/20 match has little idea of where the teams are in their league. I know some people who attend a couple of Yorkshire matches and say they go for the "spectacle" and the night out. They really do not care who wins but want to see plenty of "action". I suspect that this is true of many so even a losing team still brings in the crowds.
Exactly.
Peopel will still turn up however badly we do. Friday, Thursday and saturday night games will still be packed. My mates don't care who wins really or where Essex are. They don't go to any other cricket but like the spectacle and night out a couple of times a season. This will not change.
People saying it will if we keep being crap are the never happy brigade.
We haven't had it so good in 4 day cricket for decades yet now they moan about our poor t20 form despite being the very same folk who claim to hate the t20 format and constantly moan previously about Essex being crap at 4 day cricket.
Ffs we are a smallish county we cannot be best at all formats! We simply cannot afford to maintain a squad that is. At times we will luck out and have players good in all formats. At other times we won't. I for one would much rather be good at 4 day cricket than the short forms.
I will say that the club haven't done themselves any favours in the o/s signings especially the dire Zampa. Batsmen make more of a difference in t20.
If giving harmer the captaincy means he stays with us that's that's a price I'm happy to pay as long as he keeps delivering in 4 day cricket.
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Good morning all,
I am a lifelong Somerset supporter who follows Somerset around the country and writes match reports on most days of Somerset cricket. I came to Chelmsford for the T20 last week and for the CC match earlier in the season. Recently my report on the Somerset v Hampshire T20 was picked up by a Hampshire supporters' forum and gained some interest. Since then I have posted links to my match reports on opposition supporters discussion forums where they have been viewed a number of times.
My reports are written from a Somerset perspective but I try to be objective about the play of both sides and also to give a sense of what it was like to be at the day of cricket in question. For anyone interested here is a link direct to the 'v Essex' tag on my website.
https://farmerwhite.co.uk/tag/v-essex/
It is a blog-style site so the days of cricket appear in reverse date order with the most recent at the top. The tag contains the Somerset v Essex T20 and 50 over matches this year and daily reports on the last three CC matches between the two sides. I would just warn that my reports cover a day's play in detail. They are not short!
Regards
'Farmer White'
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Welcome Farmer White. I attended the recent Yorkshire v Somerset match and sort out a Somerset viewpoint. I came across your site and was very impressed with your reports. Lots of local colour as well as incise cricket comment. I highly recommend the site to all fans.
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Grockles
Still moaning about their batting!
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I genuinely believe that the average person attending a 20/20 match has little idea of where the teams are in their league. I know some people who attend a couple of Yorkshire matches and say they go for the "spectacle" and the night out. They really do not care who wins but want to see plenty of "action". I suspect that this is true of many so even a losing team still brings in the crowds.
Exactly.
Peopel will still turn up however badly we do. Friday, Thursday and saturday night games will still be packed. My mates don't care who wins really or where Essex are. They don't go to any other cricket but like the spectacle and night out a couple of times a season. This will not change.
People saying it will if we keep being crap are the never happy brigade.
We haven't had it so good in 4 day cricket for decades yet now they moan about our poor t20 form despite being the very same folk who claim to hate the t20 format and constantly moan previously about Essex being crap at 4 day cricket.
Ffs we are a smallish county we cannot be best at all formats! We simply cannot afford to maintain a squad that is. At times we will luck out and have players good in all formats. At other times we won't. I for one would much rather be good at 4 day cricket than the short forms.
I will say that the club haven't done themselves any favours in the o/s signings especially the dire Zampa. Batsmen make more of a difference in t20.
If giving harmer the captaincy means he stays with us that's that's a price I'm happy to pay as long as he keeps delivering in 4 day cricket.
Excellent post
I agree with every word
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Excellent post Farmer White, agree with all you say.
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Excellent post Farmer White, agree with all you say.
I've been reading Farmer White's match reviews for a while now. Highly recommended whoever Somerset are playing
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Thanks for the kind comments.Much appreciated.