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Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: nat on July 16, 2019, 06:36:12 PM
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Might as well get this giggle fest going.
Saw Ravi, Amir and Walter having a bowl today presumably in readiness for the slog fest. Together with Delport and the Aussie leggie whose name I can't remember, there will be a lot of changes from the CC team.
Something like;
Chopra
Delport
Westley
Lawrence
Ravi
RTD
Wheater
Walter
Harmer
Amir
Aussie Leggie
With a team like that we've got no chance.
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Shame Harmer's been made captain. I'd want to rest him ahead of the Kent game.
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Not sure Wheater will be fit to play and I can't see Walter playing as the second best seamer. If he plays it's as a batsman and 6th bowler. If Porter is fit he'll play, if not Quinn or Beard probably will.
Having to pick Harmer automatically weakens the team. His T20 bowling record for Essex is comfortably worse than Lawrences.
From the yearbook Harmer 65 overs 15 wickets @39 economy 9.00, Lawrence 36 overs 14 wickets @ 18 economy 7.08.
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Nine 'bowlers' in my suggested team. Bowling won't be the issue as all bowlers can go around the park. Batting is the problem.
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Nine 'bowlers' in my suggested team. Bowling won't be the issue as all bowlers can go around the park. Batting is the problem.
One proper seamer. Walter barely counts these days. They're going to pick atleast one other seamer.
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I agree with JasonP about Harmer. A great 4 day bowler, but ineffective in T/20.
Strange to make him captain.
I would play Beard, as a seamer, he fields well and is a useful bat.
If not Shane Snater, in front of Quinn.
He can hit sixes, in fact he hit 3 today at Coggeshall.
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I’d play Beard as well. As said above he can bat and field. Assuming he’s fit to play, I’d push Wheater to open where he’s done well for us in white ball cricket. It’d be bloody typical of our luck if he’s out though, him being absent was a massive reason our 50 over campaign was a bust and it won’t be no different here. I’d go for this team but I’m well aware the batting order will be very different..
Chopra
Wheater
Delport
Lawrence
Tendo
Bopara
Westley
Harmer
Beard
Amir
Zampa
I’d like to see Tendo up the order, without the shackles of captaincy this will be a big campaign for him. If Wheater is injured then Pepper will have to go in at 7 and everyone else moves up a slot. It’d leave us with a woefully long tail, but what can you do...
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Pepper is not even keeping for the seconds today, just playing as a batsman.
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Blimey Derbyshire have signed Darren Stevens on loan for the T20 competition. Would certainly have made our side stronger. Missed a trick there (unless of course K*nt wouldn't do business with us).
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Stevens batting is shot.
He comes in at 8 for Kent.
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Snater released from the seconds at Coggeshall - had been called into the T20 squad, and travels to Lords.
Pepper is still recovering from a finger injury, so may be a while before he keeps wicket again.
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Im pretty sure Harmer opened the bowling for his T20 franchis in SA during the winter. With Zampa and Lawrence also, its an option
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Middx Squad for tonight:-
David Malan
Tom Barber
AB De Villiers
Stephen Eskinazi
Steven Finn
Nick Gubbins
James Harris
Tom Helm
Toby Roland-Jones
George Scott
John Simpson
Nathan Sowter
Paul Stirling
Mujeeb Ur Rahman
Looks rather strong to me!
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No Amir!......Visa problems apparently!!...
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McCullum was a big name signing & he was a severe disappointment.
De Villiers is semi retired so he might not come off.
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How can Amir have visa problems? He was pictured on the official site bowling last week at Chelmsford. He was playing in the World Cup until recently so he must have had a visa then.
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No Amir!......Visa problems apparently!!...
Has there not been enough time to sort these 'problems' out?
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How can Amir have visa problems? He was pictured on the official site bowling last week at Chelmsford. He was playing in the World Cup until recently so he must have had a visa then.
Thats exactly what I would have thought, but no, the official line from the club is that they are still waiting for a sporting visa for him to come from the Home Office!....Sounds like someone has messed up...BIG TIME!!
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Shambles!
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How can Amir have visa problems? He was pictured on the official site bowling last week at Chelmsford. He was playing in the World Cup until recently so he must have had a visa then.
Thats exactly what I would have thought, but no, the official line from the club is that they are still waiting for a sporting visa for him to come from the Home Office!....Sounds like someone has messed up...BIG TIME!!
The delay is not unusual for him. I guess it's because he has a criminal record.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/308276-pakistan-hit-by-amir-visa-delay
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McCullum was a big name signing & he was a severe disappointment.
De Villiers is semi retired so he might not come off.
Did alright against us.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO41178
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McCullum was a big name signing & he was a severe disappointment.
De Villiers is semi retired so he might not come off.
Did alright against us.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO41178
True but we're another poor one day side.
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So the squads are:-
Essex:-
Simon Harmer (11) (Captain)
Aaron Beard (14)
Ravi Bopara (25)
Varun Chopra (6)
Cameron Delport (89)
Dan Lawrence (28)
Matt Quinn (94)
Shane Snater (29)
Ryan ten Doeschate (27)
Paul Walter (22)
Tom Westley (21)
Adam Wheater (31) (Wicket-keeper)
Adam Zampa (88)
Middlesex:-
Middx Squad for tonight:-
David Malan
Tom Barber
AB De Villiers
Stephen Eskinazi
Steven Finn
Nick Gubbins
James Harris
Tom Helm
Toby Roland-Jones
George Scott
John Simpson
Nathan Sowter
Paul Stirling
Mujeeb Ur Rahman
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Just seen the team and that bowling lineup. Good thing Middlesex have shown mercy and bowled first, I’d have fancied them for 250 otherwise.
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What a tail
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What a tail
It's much better than last years. We had Harmer at 7 last year. Snater has been scoring runs for the 2nds this year.
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Well that went well :(
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Harmie is arguably the top spinner in world red ball cricket right now.
And a great bloke
But he is vulnerable in one day and especially T20.
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Harmie is arguably the top spinner in world red ball cricket right now.
And a great bloke
But he is vulnerable in one day and especially T20.
Agreed. It doesn’t make sense for him to be captain as he then has to play and with Zampa one of our two overseas we will always be fielding two spinners. I seem to recall he was dropped for some T20s last year.
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Wrap Harmer in cotton wool, tell him to forget about T20, have a rest and prepare for the Kent Championship match.
He is ineffective in T20, and we don't want him getting injured.
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Great that T20 is back in front of a near full house but it was very one sided with AB de V showing his class & batting superbly although he didn't have much quality bowling to worry about.Our bowling attack (if that is the right word!) looked very weak & so it proved, we dropped 2 dolly catches , Stirling on 5 when Snater dropped a dolly c&b then on 6 Delport juggled for what seemed an eternity before putting it down, the fielding wasn't that bad but they were up against it & Middx won with time to spare as I thought they would , we got roughly what I thought we would, thanks largely to Tendo who played magnificently , finally in the right position in the order, & Westley who did well but the rest contributed little.
This may be a one off & things may well improve but if not we will again finish in the bottom 3, Harmer wants to lead us into the Finals which is all well & good but he won't do it with that team out there. If we still win CC1 then fine as long as any losing run in T20 doesn't have a knock on effect.
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We have been brilliant at Championship cricket, but hard to believe that we are taking the T20 seriously which in turn will impact upon players attitudes. Cant believe that there is no better option than Shane Snater plus only one overseas player. Difficult to see us making much progress in this competition anyway, but Club would do well to remember how much money is generated from T20 Full Houses at Chelmsford - not to be taken for granted if we are so poor for another Season.
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Poor, very poor!!....sadly though, not a surprise in the least.
Hope someone has pulled their finger out from their bottom today and made sure that Amir can play tomorrow!
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Poor, very poor!!....sadly though, not a surprise in the least.
Hope someone has pulled their finger out from their bottom today and made sure that Amir can play tomorrow!
When he signed it was announced he'd miss the Surrey match and the Kent match next week due to "family commitments". So he's not due to play tomorrow.
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It was clear to see that Wheater was obviously in pain at times with the gloves on. It is imperative that he is fit for the red ball game against Kent and the three games in September. What I've seen of the back ups is not convincing.
Nobody wants us to do as well as we can in the T20 as me, I'm fool enough to only be missing one away game this year, but it would be a tragic if we miss out on Div 1 because of this competition.
Careful player management is needed.
I am not sure if we are capable of that.
As for tonight's game? Two dropped dollies in power play in this format will cost the game on 95%+ occasions.
If we progress out of the group it will be a massive overachievement.
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Progress out of the group? If we don’t finish bottom it will be a massive achievement. That bowling attack tonight is the worst we’ve ever had in white ball cricket. Snater and Quinn should be opening the bowling for a Essex Prem side, not the Eagles at a sell out Lords against international stars!!!
Middlesex’s oversees batsman wins the game whilst Essex’s oversees bowler gets tapped around the park. Standard.
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Poor, very poor!!....sadly though, not a surprise in the least.
Hope someone has pulled their finger out from their bottom today and made sure that Amir can play tomorrow!
When he signed it was announced he'd miss the Surrey match and the Kent match next week due to "family commitments". So he's not due to play tomorrow.
Thanks for the info, wasn't aware of that. I will therefore assume that Walter will be swapped for Snater tonight.
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Great that T20 is back in front of a near full house but it was very one sided with AB de V showing his class & batting superbly although he didn't have much quality bowling to worry about.Our bowling attack (if that is the right word!) looked very weak & so it proved, we dropped 2 dolly catches , Stirling on 5 when Snater dropped a dolly c&b then on 6 Delport juggled for what seemed an eternity before putting it down, the fielding wasn't that bad but they were up against it & Middx won with time to spare as I thought they would , we got roughly what I thought we would, thanks largely to Tendo who played magnificently , finally in the right position in the order, & Westley who did well but the rest contributed little.
This may be a one off & things may well improve but if not we will again finish in the bottom 3, Harmer wants to lead us into the Finals which is all well & good but he won't do it with that team out there. If we still win CC1 then fine as long as any losing run in T20 doesn't have a knock on effect.
I was at the match. Why did we lose:-
1. We lost two early wickets. Both were our big hitters - Chopra and Delport
2. There were some bad fielding issues - as noted above Delport's juggling act was bizarre!
3. AB was on the other team. To be honest, unless a team can get him out cheaply I can't see anyonw being able to win against him!
Positives:-
1. Quinn - I know he has been criticised but he was the most economical bowler and he did get a wicket!
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I was there last night and it was a pleasure to watch ABdV bat. The bowling might not have been the best but he smashes the bad short ball a mile, and some not bad ones as well.
Just think, if we had taken one of the dropped Stirling chances we would have seen more of him.
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. Snater and Quinn should be opening the bowling for a Essex Prem side, not the Eagles at a sell out Lords against international stars!!!
Not saying much admittedly but Quinn was our best bowler last night.
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Our team tried its best but is/was under powered both batting and bowling with the honourable exception of RTD.
Where Middx had;
One of the best batsmen of all time
One of the best current limited overs spinners
Essex had;
Cameron Delport
A midget Aussie leg spinner who is not even a distant relative of Shane Warne
An overseas bowler who could not get even get on the park due to a paperwork cock-up
Not a surprise we lost.
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The human minefield that AB represents will do far more damage to teams much better than us.
Sounds as if he he has just run straight from one of his typical mesmeric innings for Bangalore in the IPS, smashing the ball in a 360 degree arc, to gracing Lords with a masterclass in destruction.
Certainly wish I had been at Lords.
Such a shame he has retired from mainstream cricket, for he is still the best most versatile batsman in the world, as he demonstrated tonight, even if it was not the strongest of bowling attacks.
If he stays fit, Middx look a strong well balanced side and worth a bet to win not just the south group but the T20 this year.
Could be a painful month or so ahead.
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. Snater and Quinn should be opening the bowling for a Essex Prem side, not the Eagles at a sell out Lords against international stars!!!
Not saying much admittedly but Quinn was our best bowler last night.
Exactly mate! When Matt Quinn is your best bowler, you know you’ve got a sh**te bowling attack. ABD will be in for a mini shock when he realises it’s not like this against every opponent.
But at the end of the day, as so often in the Blast, the oversees big hitting batsman won the day for his team. Can someone remind me who our oversees big hitting batsman is to go with Amir? Wait a minute.....
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The Essex bowling was far from impressive last night but you have to take in to account the ABdV factor. He came in with 125 needed and scored 88 of them.
I don't know how many others appreciated it as it seemed that the vast majority there were a load of city tossers on a corporate night out more interested in quaffing champers, sharing food around, chatting and fiddling with their phones than watching the cricket.
Plank next to me asked one of his colleagues if the fielding restriction markers was the boundary!!
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The Essex bowling was far from impressive last night but you have to take in to account the ABdV factor. He came in with 125 needed and scored 88 of them.
I don't know how many others appreciated it as it seemed that the vast majority there were a load of city tossers on a corporate night out more interested in quaffing champers, sharing food around, chatting and fiddling with their phones than watching the cricket.
Plank next to me asked one of his colleagues if the fielding restriction markers was the boundary!!
Agree with all the above emphatically, to be fair Quinn didn't bowl badly at all but as has been alluded to the bowling attack was the weakest I have seen & as someone said we should be aware that we need to be at least competitive or maybe in future years even Chelmsford won't be full. As long as we still do the business in CC1 then this can be 'forgiven' but as someone who is going to 8 more T20 games I am worried!
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I think we should take the positives from last night.
The new kit is brilliant. ;D
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in future years even Chelmsford won't be full.
Less boozers sounds good to me if not the club.
T20 night games at the Fortress are hellish.
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Id much rather attend a T20 at Chelmsford than Lords.
The crowd might generally get tanked up but a lot of them watch the game and support the team.
More than can be said about the City Boys and Girls there on a jolly up last night.
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Id much rather attend a T20 at Chelmsford than Lords.
The crowd might generally get tanked up but a lot of them watch the game and support the team.
More than can be said about the City Boys and Girls there on a jolly up last night.
Listening to the radio whilst watching the stream, it sounded like there were more “Essex fans” in the crowd than Middlesex. You could hear a pin drop whenever Middlesex took a wicket or did anything of note. They only woke up once ABD came out.
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Id much rather attend a T20 at Chelmsford than Lords.
The crowd might generally get tanked up but a lot of them watch the game and support the team.
More than can be said about the City Boys and Girls there on a jolly up last night.
Agreed, our away support at Lords (& The Oval ) is always very good. Certainly at Chelmsford the majority of the crowd do watch & get behind Essex, just imagine how much more they would if we had a winning team.