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Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: essexfan548 on July 12, 2018, 05:33:33 PM
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Coles has cost us the game and we’re not even a quarter of the way through it.
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Coles has cost us the game and we’re not even a quarter of the way through it.
Started with a wicket, dropped a catch. Zampa looks a class above the rest.
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So, we have big hitters like Coles, Zampa even Harmer (?!) and who do we send out - Dan Lawrence currently a magnificent 8 from 10 balls. When chasing such a large total it's basically sh@t or bust, indeed that's why Chris Gayle always bats top 3. Indeed if Lawrence doesn't bowl, why is he in the team??? I am assuming that Zaidi is injured.
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So, we have big hitters like Coles, Zampa even Harmer (?!) and who do we send out - Dan Lawrence currently a magnificent 8 from 10 balls. When chasing such a large total it's basically sh@t or bust, indeed that's why Chris Gayle always bats top 3. Indeed if Lawrence doesn't bowl, why is he in the team??? I am assuming that Zaidi is injured.
I don't think he is injured. McGrath is just absolutely clueless. The balance of the side is a joke, as is the overseas player situation with Wagner not being good enough. If it wasn't for Lawrence getting 3 flukey boundaries in the 18th over of the Middlesex game we'd have lost all three games.
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So, we have big hitters like Coles, Zampa even Harmer (?!) and who do we send out - Dan Lawrence currently a magnificent 8 from 10 balls. When chasing such a large total it's basically sh@t or bust, indeed that's why Chris Gayle always bats top 3. Indeed if Lawrence doesn't bowl, why is he in the team??? I am assuming that Zaidi is injured.
I'm afraid the club is in a right mess when it comes to the T20 stuff. Not enough big hitters, too many batsmen completely out of form, relying far too much on 2 young paceman (which could backfire when we get back to the proper cricket) an overseas bowler who isn't considered good enough to even play, ridiculous batting orders, virtually no options to bring in to try to change things.
Thank goodness we are obviously treating the T20 competition with disdain these days else it would be very worrying!!
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Surely the first mistake was sending Westley in at 3.
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They’ve not got a clue. It’s a complete farce. Fair play to anyone who is forking out £30+ to watch this shambles at Chelmsford.
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Told you we should send in Coles and Wagner in the top 4.
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I'm afraid the club is in a right mess when it comes to the T20 stuff. Not enough big hitters, too many batsmen completely out of form, relying far too much on 2 young paceman (which could backfire when we get back to the proper cricket) an overseas bowler who isn't considered good enough to even play, ridiculous batting orders, virtually no options to bring in to try to change things.
Thank goodness we are obviously treating the T20 competition with disdain these days else it would be very worrying!!
The batting is appalling all this year in all formats. I'm afraid there's a reason why certain players have come back to ECCC - it's really because they aren't good enough. Warning signs were there last year: but just enough bats came off when we needed, Wagner was only here for a short time and replaced by better players, clearly Spoons was doing a lot of the tactics from the balcony.
Need a new (overseas?) captain with a very strong grasp of tactics and discipline. Ditto for the coach.
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I'm afraid the club is in a right mess when it comes to the T20 stuff. Not enough big hitters, too many batsmen completely out of form, relying far too much on 2 young paceman (which could backfire when we get back to the proper cricket) an overseas bowler who isn't considered good enough to even play, ridiculous batting orders, virtually no options to bring in to try to change things.
Thank goodness we are obviously treating the T20 competition with disdain these days else it would be very worrying!!
The batting is appalling all this year in all formats. I'm afraid there's a reason why certain players have come back to ECCC - it's really because they aren't good enough. Warning signs were there last year: but just enough bats came off when we needed, Wagner was only here for a short time and replaced by better players, clearly Spoons was doing a lot of the tactics from the balcony.
Can't disagree with ANY of that to be fair!
Need a new (overseas?) captain with a very strong grasp of tactics and discipline. Ditto for the coach.
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I'm afraid the club is in a right mess when it comes to the T20 stuff. Not enough big hitters, too many batsmen completely out of form, relying far too much on 2 young paceman (which could backfire when we get back to the proper cricket) an overseas bowler who isn't considered good enough to even play, ridiculous batting orders, virtually no options to bring in to try to change things.
Thank goodness we are obviously treating the T20 competition with disdain these days else it would be very worrying!!
The batting is appalling all this year in all formats. I'm afraid there's a reason why certain players have come back to ECCC - it's really because they aren't good enough. Warning signs were there last year: but just enough bats came off when we needed, Wagner was only here for a short time and replaced by better players, clearly Spoons was doing a lot of the tactics from the balcony.
Need a new (overseas?) captain with a very strong grasp of tactics and discipline. Ditto for the coach.
Not sure why you specify a new captain as having to be a foreigner. Sounds a bit like inverted racism to me......
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And who the hell are we gonna get with the World Cup next year?
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Thank goodness we are obviously treating the T20 competition with disdain these days else it would be very worrying!!
I don't care about T20 but even he who must not be named made a better fist of it.
I'd bin McGrath pronto as we could quickly end up in the doldrums again.
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Mascarenhas was brought in as a 20/20 expert. He must be held accountable for this shambles as well. It is concerning that a dismal 20/20 campaign may spill over into the championship run in.
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Like many of us I suspect, I was there. One of our very worst performances in all departments.
Team has to be freshened up.
Fielding was appalling. Dropping Finch and Foakes early sealed our fate.
Balance of the side still wrong. Light on batting, and most of what we do have is out of form. Light on big hitting batting. Long on bowling but all the bowlers except Zampa were poor.
Where do you start?
Walter has to play. Pepper and/or Cook snr and/or Zaidi as well? Wagner and/or Quinn can do no worse than current bowlers and can give them a rest. Taylor good in the field.
In terms of candidates to be left out, I think it's everyone bar Chopra Wheater Zampa. Westley RTD Lawrence Bopara all out of form meaning the tail currently starts at 3. Thin batting constrains top order from playing freely. Try a change of order including a pinch hitter or two either as opener or at 3 or 4 if you want to leave the openers intact. Coles and Harmer dropped the catches and bowled poorly. Porter and Cook jnr showed inexperience in this format. Maybe stick with them to give them experience or maybe rest one. Plenty of part time bowling not currently being used and couldn't do much worse than the specialist bowlers allowing the batting to be strengthened.
Management has to be questioned - selection, batting, bowling and fielding coaches.
Apart from that, all is going well!
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Mascarenhas was brought in as a 20/20 expert. ....
No he wasn't. He was brought in as assistant coach for *all* cricket.
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His forte as a player was in limited-overs cricket and that is an area that McGrath has targeted for improvement in Essex's play following four years without making T20 Finals Day and no one-day title since 2008. Mascarenhas will be tasked with improving Essex's white-ball skills in all departments although he will still have a key role to play in preparing the Championship team who will be looking to retain the title they won so remarkably last season.
"It is a real coup to bring him to Chelmsford," said McGrath. "We have been looking for someone with Dimi's credentials, and having worked in competitions around the world, he brings with him a lot of knowledge and experience.
"He will bring a tactical nous to our white-ball cricket and help the squad improve on our performances in the One-Day Cup and T20 Blast in recent seasons. I know our bowlers are looking forward to working with him, and the whole squad will benefit from his technical and tactical knowledge as we prepare for another exciting season."
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Like many of us I suspect, I was there. One of our very worst performances in all departments.
Team has to be freshened up.
Fielding was appalling. Dropping Finch and Foakes early sealed our fate.
Balance of the side still wrong. Light on batting, and most of what we do have is out of form. Light on big hitting batting. Long on bowling but all the bowlers except Zampa were poor.
Where do you start?
Walter has to play. Pepper and/or Cook snr and/or Zaidi as well? Wagner and/or Quinn can do no worse than current bowlers and can give them a rest. Taylor good in the field.
In terms of candidates to be left out, I think it's everyone bar Chopra Wheater Zampa. Westley RTD Lawrence Bopara all out of form meaning the tail currently starts at 3. Thin batting constrains top order from playing freely. Try a change of order including a pinch hitter or two either as opener or at 3 or 4 if you want to leave the openers intact. Coles and Harmer dropped the catches and bowled poorly. Porter and Cook jnr showed inexperience in this format. Maybe stick with them to give them experience or maybe rest one. Plenty of part time bowling not currently being used and couldn't do much worse than the specialist bowlers allowing the batting to be strengthened.
Management has to be questioned - selection, batting, bowling and fielding coaches.
Apart from that, all is going well!
Totally spot on summary Gilders of the current mess the club is in.
Most of us suspected that the T20 was going to be a waste of time this season but I don't think most thought we would be quite this bad. Thank goodness one of our overseas "stars" is at least deemed good enough to play and is starting to settle in well. We are desperately short on in form batsmen, be it big hitters or not. The fielding has fallen back to the standards of a few season ago too.
The coaches lack of invention with tactics, team selection, batting orders etc is more than a little concerning (but sadly, no surprise to me).
Got to be 3 or 4 changes tonight, and the players coming in may not turn out to do any better but something has to change.
Tonight already is possibly the last chance saloon in this competition because in theory, Glamorgan are one of the very few teams we should beat,so to lose would be unthinkable really and already effectively nearly put us out.
It's time for everyone to step up if they are capable (coaches!) of doing so and start earning their wages.
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Glamorgan tonight - we've got history with a certain Mr Ingram. Get him early or be prepared to weep.
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What a mess. Change it for Christs sake. Lawrence and Harmer in before Coles ? Put Walter in at 3 and 4. Why not ? The ground is sold out pretty much every game. Do you think the club know that we dont need a Chris Gayle type as we dont need to put bums on seats? Zamper was class last night but will get hammered at Chelmsford due to small boundaries. Going for not many runs in 4 overs is great but it wont win a 20/ 20 game. Batting will.
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What a mess. Change it for Christs sake. Lawrence and Harmer in before Coles ? Put Walter in at 3 and 4. Why not ? The ground is sold out pretty much every game. Do you think the club know that we dont need a Chris Gayle type as we dont need to put bums on seats? Zamper was class last night but will get hammered at Chelmsford due to small boundaries. Going for not many runs in 4 overs is great but it wont win a 20/ 20 game. Batting will.
So spot on i could have written it myself. Wait a minute ... I did many moons ago.
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Great minds then !
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Happy to be corrected, but wasn't a white ball trophy cited as our 2018 target at the pre season Members' Forum?
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Smallest boundaries in the country and the least powerful batting lineup. Only at Essex! Chris Gayle could mistime a shot with one hand and it would still go further than anything Westley or Lawrence times perfectly. I don’t like Walter but it’s got to the point now where I’d play him as a batsman. Chopra, Wheater, Coles, Zaidi, Walter. That’s the best chance we probably have at a top 5 resembling any sort of “power hitting”.
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Intriguing interview with Ryan here. Seems to have some very muddled thinking.
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/sport/16350555.essex-skipper-has-had-time-to-reflect-ahead-of-back-to-back-t20-action-for-the-eagles/
Quotes like the following (to get people started!)
"At the moment we’re leaving an overseas bowler (Neil Wagner) out.
"Quinny hasn’t played yet, nor has Paulie Walter.
"I think things might change, but at the moment we feel that we’re picking the guys who are our 11 best T20 players.
At the moment we feel Ports (Jamie Porter) has earned his place in the team.
"If that means the overseas miss out, so be it
“Dimi (Mascarenhas) and Mags (head coach Anthony McGrath) have been brilliant in saying that we really have to be positive with what we’ve got and try and make the most of it when we’re up.
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http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/sport/cricket/mcgrath-rues-essex-missed-chances-1-5605000
Here it's the bowlers who are blamed!
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I'm afraid the club is in a right mess when it comes to the T20 stuff. Not enough big hitters, too many batsmen completely out of form, relying far too much on 2 young paceman (which could backfire when we get back to the proper cricket) an overseas bowler who isn't considered good enough to even play, ridiculous batting orders, virtually no options to bring in to try to change things.
Thank goodness we are obviously treating the T20 competition with disdain these days else it would be very worrying!!
The batting is appalling all this year in all formats. I'm afraid there's a reason why certain players have come back to ECCC - it's really because they aren't good enough. Warning signs were there last year: but just enough bats came off when we needed, Wagner was only here for a short time and replaced by better players, clearly Spoons was doing a lot of the tactics from the balcony.
Need a new (overseas?) captain with a very strong grasp of tactics and discipline. Ditto for the coach.
Not sure why you specify a new captain as having to be a foreigner. Sounds a bit like inverted racism to me......
Oh you've woken up again. Yes, get in someone outside of the cosy county game. Offering the captaincy might get a decent overseas - or at least a home player with proven quality from another county who would be interested in the extra cash from taking the role.
We've tended to promote from within too often, and our previous Chair seemed to favour home skippers irrespective of ability.
If you re-read my line it had a question mark after the overseas. Don't try to chuck pathetic insults...
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Intriguing interview with Ryan here. Seems to have some very muddled thinking.
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/sport/16350555.essex-skipper-has-had-time-to-reflect-ahead-of-back-to-back-t20-action-for-the-eagles/
Quotes like the following (to get people started!)
"At the moment we’re leaving an overseas bowler (Neil Wagner) out.
"Quinny hasn’t played yet, nor has Paulie Walter.
"I think things might change, but at the moment we feel that we’re picking the guys who are our 11 best T20 players.
At the moment we feel Ports (Jamie Porter) has earned his place in the team.
"If that means the overseas miss out, so be it
“Dimi (Mascarenhas) and Mags (head coach Anthony McGrath) have been brilliant in saying that we really have to be positive with what we’ve got and try and make the most of it when we’re up.
Essex’s other overseas bowler, the Australian leg-spinner Adam Zampa, did not bowl his full quota in either game.
The captain said: “I just felt with the boundary at Chelmsford being small that it was best to bowl seam at the top end, and it wasn’t a pre-conceived plan that he only bowls three overs.
All the more reason to leave Harmer out for Zaidi. You still have more than enough bowlers and an extra batsman, which gives us a much better balance.
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Ravi has bowled 9 overs so far and has gone for over 100 runs with no wickets. Only 15 runs in three knocks. He was our standout player in the format last season with Amir. I reckon he knows we’re rubbish and can’t really be arsed. Either that or he dislikes the coaches.
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Ravi has bowled 9 overs so far and has gone for over 100 runs with no wickets. Only 15 runs in three knocks. He was our standout player in the format last season with Amir. I reckon he knows we’re rubbish and can’t really be arsed. Either that or he dislikes the coaches.
There is a third possibility.......
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I'm afraid the club is in a right mess when it comes to the T20 stuff. Not enough big hitters, too many batsmen completely out of form, relying far too much on 2 young paceman (which could backfire when we get back to the proper cricket) an overseas bowler who isn't considered good enough to even play, ridiculous batting orders, virtually no options to bring in to try to change things.
Thank goodness we are obviously treating the T20 competition with disdain these days else it would be very worrying!!
The batting is appalling all this year in all formats. I'm afraid there's a reason why certain players have come back to ECCC - it's really because they aren't good enough. Warning signs were there last year: but just enough bats came off when we needed, Wagner was only here for a short time and replaced by better players, clearly Spoons was doing a lot of the tactics from the balcony.
Need a new (overseas?) captain with a very strong grasp of tactics and discipline. Ditto for the coach.
Not sure why you specify a new captain as having to be a foreigner. Sounds a bit like inverted racism to me......
Oh you've woken up again. Yes, get in someone outside of the cosy county game. Offering the captaincy might get a decent overseas - or at least a home player with proven quality from another county who would be interested in the extra cash from taking the role.
We've tended to promote from within too often, and our previous Chair seemed to favour home skippers irrespective of ability.
If you re-read my line it had a question mark after the overseas. Don't try to chuck pathetic insults...
A mere observation. Personally I would like county cricket to mean county I.e. only players born and or bred in the county to be legible to play (and permitted to include East London; also Suffolk, Hertfordshire and Cambridgeshire, where there is only minor county cricket).In fact we are normally eight or nine elevenths of the way there in our team. Only thing is I am probably not allowed to have such views on this site.
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Unchanged squad of 14 for tonight!!!
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Unchanged squad of 14 for tonight!!!
To be expected. But will it be an unchanged team?
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Wagner replaces Coles. That will improve the batting!
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Stewyww I also would like there to be so much talent coming through the local clubs and academy that overseas or players from other counties cannot break into the team.
However, the whilst we have a few very promising players this isn't the case.
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Speaking of overseas players, Zappa 3-17 in four over. Outstanding.
Despite yet another horrendous late order collapse, we seem to have amassed sufficient runs and Glamorgan looking down the barrel with eight wickets down and needing 50 off 3 and a bit overs.
Never count us out.
Our team certainly put us supporters through it, and nerve wracking it is, but long may it continue.
May kickstart us into life.
If you think we are erratic, spare a thought for me watching Hampshire, a team on paper should either qualify or get mighty close.
They have been abject. So not all bad for our lads.
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Crikey - just seen the score. Nasty Mr Cooke making a nuisance of himself.
Anybody’s game. Just hold your nerve Essex.
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Rubbish. Taxi for Waggers.
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Rubbish. Taxi for Waggers.
and he can pay for it.
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We have blown it. Why did Wagner bowl last over, when Porter had one left and Harmer had only bowled one over.
Wagner bowled two wide balls in last over and with an economy rate of over 12, seems a mighty strange decision.
Extremely well played by Cooke, but we lost this through our collapse.
Team will be shattered to lose this one.
Selection for next game should be interesting.
Feel sorry for Zampa. Wagner and Zampa - compare and contrast.