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Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: CostaDelEssex on July 02, 2018, 08:31:03 AM
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Be surprised if anyone can nail the starting 11 - whatever it is, I'd be shocked if we win more than a couple of games. I'd go:
Chopra
Bopara
Westley
Tendo
Wheater
Taylor or Pepper
Zaidi
Walter
Coles
Zampa
Sam Cook
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You've forgotten our overseas batsman Wagner.
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You've forgotten our overseas batsman Wagner.
He should be nowhere near our T20 starting 11.......same with Harmer too
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I think bearing history in mind that Wheater will open, also when does Wagner go back as Henry has returned home.
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Chopra
Wheater
Westley
Bopara
Ten Doeschate
Lawrence
Walter
Harmer / Zaidi
Coles
Wagner
Zampa
Wagner is here til the end of July. Baffling decision. One of the poorer T20 sides we have had but still some very good players.
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Chopra
Wheater
Westley
Bopara
Ten Doeschate
Lawrence
Walter
Harmer / Zaidi
Coles
Wagner
Zampa
Wagner is here til the end of July. Baffling decision. One of the poorer T20 sides we have had but still some very good players.
Agree this is the best available team.
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I think we will do better than some are expecting
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I think we will do better than some are expecting
It would be funny if we won it just as the tournament is consigned to oblivion.
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I think we will do better than some are expecting
If we pick the best team we may do ok. I can't see them leaving Harmer out, who shouldn't be in the team and maybe Wagner aswell. Interesting to see if Alastair Cook plays. He did well when he did play but has barely played in the last 5 or 6 years. If he wants to play then I think they'll probably pick him.
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I hope Cook is not involved. Not putting it all on him but we broke up the Wheater/Chopra partnership in the one day QF and it cost us. He then gave his wicket away with an awful shot.
Chopra
Wheater
Westley
Bopara
Pepper/Lawrence
Tendo
Zaidi
Walter
Coles
Zampa
Cook
Shame Foster is not around, would have had him over Pepper/Lawrence
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Essex 2nd XI playing away at Notts atm.
Team Browne, Lawrence, Pepper, Patel, Walter, Nijjar, Stamatis, Beard, Quinn, Dixon, Snater.
Essex are playing their annual warm up match against the Premier League XI tonight and they normally pick their strongest team to prepare for the tournament. So perhaps it means the likes of Lawrence and Walter wont be in the starting XI.
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I though Pepper is playing for the league team tonight??
Better get a move on boys
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Not too many impressing at the moment! Playing against a Notts 1st XI.
http://live.nvplay.com/ecb/#s429b04f4-7b9f-450b-9fb6-4474edfc55ad
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As this is the first of two games, it is possible that a couple could play the first game then make their way down to chelmsford.
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Be surprised if anyone can nail the starting 11 - whatever it is, I'd be shocked if we win more than a couple of games. I'd go:
Chopra
Bopara
Westley
Tendo
Wheater
Taylor or Pepper
Zaidi
Walter
Coles
Zampa
Sam Cook
I can't really go with much different that that and agree that it doesnt look a very strong side, sadly. Think the only difference will be Wagner for
Walter (for the first 2 or 3 games) but its a little bit ridiculous that our second overseas player is not really good enough to play these matches but will still be picked anyway!
Think we will win more than 2 matches but there's no way we will qualify for the semis.
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We’ll start badly, go on a little run once Siddle returns but ultimately it’s another season without progressing I’m afraid.
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Look at the scorecard from the second XI T20 - Dan Lawrence the most economical bowler:
http://live.nvplay.com/ecb/#s429b04f4-7b9f-450b-9fb6-4474edfc55ad
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To be fair that is probably only 1 or 2 players away from Notts strongest T20 team.
It will also give a fair idea that Walter isnt in the frame for Wednesday.
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Look at the scorecard from the second XI T20 - Dan Lawrence the most economical bowler:
http://live.nvplay.com/ecb/#s429b04f4-7b9f-450b-9fb6-4474edfc55ad
Club ground, club sized boundaries.
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Team for the warm up match tonight.
Chopra, Wheater+, Westley, Bopara. Ten Doeschate* Zaidi, Harmer, Coles, Zampa, Porter, S.Cook
I really hope it's not the team they go with for Wednesday as it looks a batsman short. Harmer playing really unbalances the team.
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23 for 2 atm ...
We lost the first second XI game by 83 runs
In the other second XI game we won by 8 runs - last over by Quinn was 10 balls - 3 wides and a no ball.
http://live.nvplay.com/ecb/#s2f2a2fd3-5b39-4d41-85fb-a7bfec34eccf
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Team for the warm up match tonight.
Chopra, Wheater+, Westley, Bopara. Ten Doeschate* Zaidi, Harmer, Coles, Zampa, Porter, S.Cook
I really hope it's not the team they go with for Wednesday as it looks a batsman short. Harmer playing really unbalances the team.
Agreed - Walter has to play.
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Watching the live stream the club batsmen are not up to the job of giving Essex a serious test. Would have been better to have an internal game between all the 1st team squad.
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Peter Siddle currently playing in the Canadian T20 league.
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Essex Eagles squad to face Sussex Sharks:
Ryan ten Doeschate (27) Captain
Adam Wheater (31) Wicket-Keeper
Ravi Bopara (25)
Varun Chopra (6)
Matt Coles (1)
Sam Cook (16)
Simon Harmer (11)
Dan Lawrence (28)
Jamie Porter (44)
Matt Quinn (94)
Neil Wagner (13)
Tom Westley (21)
Ashar Zaidi (99)
Adam Zampa (88)
Thoughts?
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Essex Eagles squad to face Sussex Sharks:
Ryan ten Doeschate (27) Captain
Adam Wheater (31) Wicket-Keeper
Ravi Bopara (25)
Varun Chopra (6)
Matt Coles (1)
Sam Cook (16)
Simon Harmer (11)
Dan Lawrence (28)
Jamie Porter (44)
Matt Quinn (94)
Neil Wagner (13)
Tom Westley (21)
Ashar Zaidi (99)
Adam Zampa (88)
Thoughts?
Walter should be in it. I can see them playing the same team as Monday night, which doesn't have anywhere near enough depth in batting.
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A lot of bowlers.
Imagine it will be: Chopra, Wheater, Westley, Bopara, Ten Doeschate, Lawrence, Zaidi, Harmer, Coles, Wagner, Zampa. S.Cook, Porter and Quinn missing out.
Wouldn't be surprised if we use Coles as a pinch hitter. At least we have a strong tail, Zampa coming in at 11 has a first class batting average of 21.
Worry about Wagner, was expensive in the 50 over format. Would have liked to see an overseas batsmen instead of Wagner/Siddle. When you consider we have Porter, S.Cook, Quinn and Walter in reserve. A shame no Foster who would be in for Lawrence.
Overall a decent side, reckon we will finish 4th or 5th in the group. Sussex, Surrey and Hampshire the strongest. Then us, Kent and Somerset. Never know what to expect from Glamorgan (finished 1st in the group last year). Gloucestershire and Middlesex often poor (2016 the exception).
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A lot of bowlers.
Imagine it will be: Chopra, Wheater, Westley, Bopara, Ten Doeschate, Lawrence, Zaidi, Harmer, Coles, Wagner, Zampa. S.Cook, Porter and Quinn missing out.
Wouldn't be surprised if we use Coles as a pinch hitter. At least we have a strong tail, Zampa coming in at 11 has a first class batting average of 21.
Worry about Wagner, was expensive in the 50 over format. Would have liked to see an overseas batsmen instead of Wagner/Siddle. When you consider we have Porter, S.Cook, Quinn and Walter in reserve. A shame no Foster who would be in for Lawrence.
Overall a decent side, reckon we will finish 4th or 5th in the group. Sussex, Surrey and Hampshire the strongest. Then us, Kent and Somerset. Never know what to expect from Glamorgan (finished 1st in the group last year). Gloucestershire and Middlesex often poor (2016 the exception).
They'll want another seamer in the side I'd think which means leaving out either Harmer, who it should be but wont, or Lawrence. As I said before picking Harmer totally unbalances the team.
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Coles and Wagner to open the batting. This season's T20 competition is shaping up to be an embarrassing one for the club.
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Coles and Wagner to open the batting. This season's T20 competition is shaping up to be an embarrassing one for the club.
Opening the batting? Where did you hear that?
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This season's T20 competition is shaping up to be an embarrassing one for the club.
Maybe it's no longer the unstated priority of the club?
They know the beer drinkers & hell raisers will turn up regardless.
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Our best T20 campaigns that I can remember were when we used a pinch hitter at three, whether it was Gough or Napier. Get Coles in there, he’s wasted down at 8.
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Coles and Wagner to open the batting. This season's T20 competition is shaping up to be an embarrassing one for the club.
Opening the batting? Where did you hear that?
He didnt. Just nat being his hilarious self...
I dont think we have a bad side at all. we are a couple of big hitters light though.
For so long everyone moaned when we prioritized this over the CC, now we do the other and still they moan! A club of our resources cannot challenge on all 3 fronts. Any challenge in this will be a bonus. As VP says the drinkers will turn up regardless on a evening game.
I think Gloucs will surprise a few. Very geared towards one day cricket.
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Our best T20 campaigns that I can remember were when we used a pinch hitter at three, whether it was Gough or Napier. Get Coles in there, he’s wasted down at 8.
Agree he should come in with a license to hit.
Although didn't work when we gave DK license!!
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Different three letter word. Began with ‘b’
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Missed tonight's game, any reason zaidi did not bowl
If we want a pinch hitter, Walter is scoring for fun in the seconds
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awful display - team selection rotten, dreadful....
Back to the days of Larry...
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awful display - team selection rotten, dreadful....
Back to the days of Larry...
Agreed. What is the point of Coles batting at no. 9, coming in with 20/over needed? I wasn't joking when I said Coles and Wagner should open the batting. Says it all when your overseas player is not selected for the first T20 game.
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awful display - team selection rotten, dreadful....
Back to the days of Larry...
Don't insult Grayson. We were a far better twenty20 team under him. Putting out a team with Harmer batting at number 7 is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Having an overseas bowler in Wagner who's not needed for the t20 side when we are crying out for an overseas batsman runs it very close. McGrath is starting to look a bit inept. Batting Harmer at 7 in the Notts game was crazy and he's not learning from his mistakes.
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awful display - team selection rotten, dreadful....
Back to the days of Larry...
Don't insult Grayson. We were a far better twenty20 team under him. Putting out a team with Harmer batting at number 7 is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Having an overseas bowler in Wagner who's not needed for the t20 side when we are crying out for an overseas batsman runs it very close. McGrath is starting to look a bit inept. Batting Harmer at 7 in the Notts game was crazy and he's not learning from his mistakes.
Careful now!!...I'm not sure that's allowed!! ;)
Back to tonight's farce, I know that a lot of us didnt have much hope for the T20 thrash but I don't think many expected anything as inept and embarrassing as that! :(
A team full of bits and pieces cricketers with 4 spinners in it (remember, for a time 2 seasons ago, Westley was our number 1 spinner!!) without any leadership. inspiration or direction it seems from those "above" and very little idea about who and when anyone is going to bowl and bat.
And the icing on the cake is that 50% of our allowed overseas "stars" are not considered good enough to even be picked!
Shambles and I cant see what can be done to change it.
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I watched on the stream and that’s the first time I think I’ve heard a Chelmsford crowd turn on its own players when Zaidi and Chopra were jogging singles when we needed 13 an over. Says it all really, shocking but not unexpected. I hope the club have sold out their remaining home games because they won’t be selling anymore tickets after that shambles.
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There were even crys of bring back Napier. Bit ironic that they were celebrating his record when we have no one to match him.
Last year I recall Silvers s saying the t20 game has changed and we needed to keep up. I fear we have gone backwards
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Didn't go so cant comment too much but....
Why didn't zaidi get a bowl when we were getting tonked
Our batting is not up to it. Fair too long a tail also.
With Porter, Cook, Beard, Quinn, Coles, Walter and even Plom taking wickets in the second eleven, do we need an os seamer?? (plus the fact we have bopara and rtd for some dobbers and Harmer, Zampa, Westley, Lawrence and Zaidi as spin options).
We should have got a batter in to go hard up the order and then bring Siddle in for the end of the CC season.
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Read Ryan's interview here:-
http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk//sport/cricket/essex-not-good-enough-says-ten-doeschate-1-5592056
“Tactically we might need to change the team a little bit. I think we had too many bowlers there, we might need to be brave and play another batter. But I certainly don’t feel we had all the bases covered.
“I know we’ve been beaten convincingly, but for a first run-out I’m not overly disappointed about how the guys went about it. The fact we don’t know what our best team is, that’s never a good sign.”
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Thought they would try something different. Walters or Cole at 3. Nope more bits and pieces players. No reason for Harmer and Zamper to play. Afghani was good.
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Khan was far too good for our batters. Our only chance was to get ahead of the rate early so we could just block him out. The openers started behind the rate and we never got ahead of it.
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The t20 is our priority.
Ironically apparently a lack of faith in our young bowlers who are better than the overseas bowlers and more experienced batting. The loss of spoons indicates just how much he was the brains behind the success last year.
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The t20 is our priority.
Ironically apparently a lack of faith in our young bowlers who are better than the overseas bowlers and more experienced batting. The loss of spoons indicates just how much he was the brains behind the success last year.
If that was true we most certainly wouldn't have Neil Wagner as one of our overseas players.
We were pretty poor last year in t20. We did have Amir, who was as good as any bowler in the competition. Also the signing of Zampa only makes sense if we're prepared to leave out Harmer, which we don't seem prepared to do.
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The loss of spoons indicates just how much he was the brains behind the success last year.
Let's just hope if McGrath is a failure he doesn't get to hang around for a decade before he's binned.
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Really muddled (i.e. bad) thinking in our overseas player recruitment. Who has responsibility? No-one will own up as everything these days is 'shared'.
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The t20 is our priority.
Ironically apparently a lack of faith in our young bowlers who are better than the overseas bowlers and more experienced batting. The loss of spoons indicates just how much he was the brains behind the success last year.
Sorry but that first sentence is utter rubbish. If T20 was our priority then we’d have grown a set of bollocks, told Neil Wagner that his services were not required for the T20 and signed a veteran in the format for good money. We bottled it and took the cheap option instead. Our priority is the CC but we still thought we could coast it without improving the squad after how we coasted it last season. That was a mistake.
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The t20 is our priority.
Ironically apparently a lack of faith in our young bowlers who are better than the overseas bowlers and more experienced batting. The loss of spoons indicates just how much he was the brains behind the success last year.
Sorry but that first sentence is utter rubbish. If T20 was our priority then we’d have grown a set of bollocks, told Neil Wagner that his services were not required for the T20 and signed a veteran in the format for good money. We bottled it and took the cheap option instead. Our priority is the CC but we still thought we could coast it without improving the squad after how we coasted it last season. That was a mistake.
Agree with all that, however, I for one am glad we do seem to have prioritised the CC (despite, like you say, being far too complacent about it during last Winter) over the tinpot T20 rubbish.
To only have one overseas player in your side (and one at that who could be very much classed as a luxury too) either confirms this or completely illustrates how the current coaching set up are very much lacking in "something"!!
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signed a veteran in the format for good money.
Chris Gayle is currently playing for Vancouver so I reckon any money might have got bang for buck.
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It is no secret that batters win T20 matches and rarely bowlers. So we have gone for three overseas bowlers to cover. On top of that our batting is fragile at best. All in all will be amazing if not a T20 "non event" this Season. Although some say that they care not about T20 it brings in the money !! If we are to become a poor T20 side tickets will not sell in subsequent years and the Clubs finances will suffer. This has already happened elsewhere with Counties seen as poor performers in the Competition.
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Northants have had a good T20 side in recent years but that hasn't translated to big crowds.
The boozers who rock up to Chelmsford after work will watch any old dross & frequently have done.
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Northants' crowds have increased significantly in recent years.
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nat - what would be your team in batting order from the current personnel?
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Chopra, Coles, Wagner, Lawrence, Bopara, Westley, Wheater, RTD, Zaidi, Zampa, Cook jnr.
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Northants' crowds have increased significantly in recent years.
Can you give us some evidence on this?
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Northants have had a good T20 side in recent years but that hasn't translated to big crowds.
The boozers who rock up to Chelmsford after work will watch any old dross & frequently have done.
This is correct. What all those claiming a bad T20 side will lead to lack of ticket sales are completely missing is the fact that most sales for Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights are either booze ups after work for a lot of city and local workers and or pre night out booze ups. I know as I’m part of the after work booze up crowd. The game is completely secondary and tickets would sell it even if it was a 2nd so playing so long as it was sold as a he t20 county completion. Same for oval and lords I’ve been to them as prt of work booze ups, that’s how they sell out on Fridays and Thursdays most people haven’t heard of most players and don’t care who wins or even if it’s a close game. The only cricket aspect that doesn’t go down well is lack of big hits. That’s the only cause for any consternation from the crowd that goes to these games. They mostly dot watch but when they do look at the pitch they want to see big hits from either side.
Yes you still get your ‘proper’ fan in and kids too but majority are pissed up workers or pissed up louts...hence the reputation of Chelmsford in t20.
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Chopra, Coles, Wagner, Lawrence, Bopara, Westley, Wheater, RTD, Zaidi, Zampa, Cook jnr.
Nepotism?
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Chopra, Coles, Wagner, Lawrence, Bopara, Westley, Wheater, RTD, Zaidi, Zampa, Cook jnr.
Nepotism?
I'm not the father to all of them!
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Chopra, Coles, Wagner, Lawrence, Bopara, Westley, Wheater, RTD, Zaidi, Zampa, Cook jnr.
Interesting, thanks - they couldn't do worse than the team last night.
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Unchanged squad of 14 for Middlesex match.
Last year's top wicket taker for Essex in T/20 still not included.
Has Paul Walter upset someone?
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Walter has been quite expensive in the 2nd XI T20s.
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I'm talking more about his explosive batting.
He may not need to bowl.
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Unchanged squad of 14 for Middlesex match.
Last year's top wicket taker for Essex in T/20 still not included.
Has Paul Walter upset someone?
Does seem a little strange when you consider that abject effort on Wednesday.
I expect Lawrence and Wagner will come in for two out of Zaidi, Zampa and Coles.
Middlesex had a good win last night but are not one of the stronger teams so its imperative Essex win tonight.
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The key is getting their danger man Stirling early.
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I'm talking more about his explosive batting.
He may not need to bowl.
HAs he ever done it in the 1st team?
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Really muddled (i.e. bad) thinking in our overseas player recruitment. Who has responsibility? No-one will own up as everything these days is 'shared'.
Well, Ronnie took his share of the credit for the last couple of seasons so he should be getting his share of the criticism now that things are not going so well.
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Well, Ronnie took his share of the credit for the last couple of seasons so he should be getting his share of the criticism now that things are not going so well.
Only if McGrath gets a decade to do diddly squat.
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I'm talking more about his explosive batting.
He may not need to bowl.
Last 4 innings in 2nd XI T20 most recent first - yesterday 16(20 balls), 7(3); Monday 5(4), 57 (23)
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signed a veteran in the format for good money.
Chris Gayle is currently playing for Vancouver so I reckon any money might have got bang for buck.
Maybe our Foz can have a chat with the “Universe Boss” regarding next season. Pull the boundaries in and let the sixes fly.
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Chopra, Coles, Wagner, Lawrence, Bopara, Westley, Wheater, RTD, Zaidi, Zampa, Cook jnr.
Nepotism?
I'm not the father to all of them!
Ah-ha! So, you admit to some of them? Inspector Clouseau of the Sûreté get's his man again!