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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: bwildered on November 05, 2017, 03:30:09 PM
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Will we return with them ?
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It will be closer than last time in Oz (0-5!!), I think if Eng start well in Brisbane then they can nick it 2-1/3-2 but if they lose the 1st Test they will be up against it. At least they won't have Harmison bowling the first over!!
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I think we'll lose comfortably if Cummins, Starc and Hazlewood stay fit. They do though have pretty dodgy fitness records. It's a better attack than we have. They also have a much better spinner, Moeen struggles away from England. Our top 5 batting is weak bar Root. I'm a huge Cook fan but he's had 1 brilliant series against Australia and 5 ordinary ones.
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Will we return with them ?
Not unless we cremate Bayliss' contract! Seriously, it is about the fitness of their and our seamers. I'd suggest their spinner is better as is there batting line-up. I suspect we'll get a hiding but from a not particularly impressive Aussie side.
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We'll come back with the ashes - either the 'ashes' of our dreams or the little urn.
I agree that the First Test is important.
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We'll come back with the ashes - either the 'ashes' of our dreams or the little urn.
I agree that the First Test is important.
Australia haven't lost a Test in Brisbane sinch 1988, 28 Tests ago. So the omens aren't good!
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Finn out of the series :(- why am I not surprised?
Leaves us with the ghastly prospect of being one injury away from the pie-chucker Jake Ball in the Test team. :( :(
Who are we gonna replace Finn with - someone from the Lions squad? Will they risk Mark Wood? Or risk another rookie on top of Overton?
Can't see a good option unless the police announce they aren't charging Stokes
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Finn is no loss but I don't think it matters who they pick as I expect another thrashing. Stupid thing is that in less than 18 months we do it all again over here when England would be favourites to win. Teams seem not to travel well these days.
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Finn out of the series :(- why am I not surprised?
Leaves us with the ghastly prospect of being one injury away from the pie-chucker Jake Ball in the Test team. :( :(
Who are we gonna replace Finn with - someone from the Lions squad? Will they risk Mark Wood? Or risk another rookie on top of Overton?
Can't see a good option unless the police announce they aren't charging Stokes
Wood is the obvious choice. If he stays fit he could do well. A big if though. A shame for Porter as he would have had a good chance of being the replacement had he not been injured.
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This series is a good one for Porter to miss. Has the smell of a disaster already.
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Tom Curran called up. 25 wkts at 35 from 9 CC matches this year, 33 at 45 in 15 matches the year before. Shows how desperate we are.
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Tom Curran called up. 25 wkts at 35 from 9 CC matches this year, 33 at 45 in 15 matches the year before. Shows how desperate we are.
ECB only interested in 1 day cricket. TC getting in some practice for the bish bash stuff.
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At least Curran can bat & stays fit unlike some of the other seamers, I think Test cricket might be a year or two early for him though, I do rate him having watched a few times since his debut, much rather him than Finn though!!
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This may be a defining point in Jamie Porters career, would he if fit have been called up to replace Finn.............?
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At least Curran can bat & stays fit unlike some of the other seamers, I think Test cricket might be a year or two early for him though, I do rate him having watched a few times since his debut, much rather him than Finn though!!
I've liked what I've seen of the Currans in one day cricket but it I agree it may be too early for him. I would have rather gone for Liam Plunkett, despite his lack of first class cricket last year.
I see we've now called up George Garton as well, which, looking at his stats, seems a tad desperate . I haven't seen him, has anyone else?
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George Garton - promising left arm pace bowler. Primarily 1-day experience so far.
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Well, we've jumped a generation. Not sure he'll play in a serious match, but the great white/black hopes for our left arm seamers (Topley/Mills) aren't up to the job so we've moved on. We do tend to forget how little experience Aussie players have when they debut. Garton has been involved in the u-19 so is part of the set-up.
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Seen Garton a couple of times , he has potential as yet unfulfilled but he could/should develop in the next couple of years.
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Unbiased New Zealander Matt Quinn on the local radio thought that home advantage would be the key to the Aussies winning .
When was the last time we had a good first ball or day at the Gabba ?
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Simon Harmer [on his podcast] thinks England will win.
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If it's good enough for Simon Harmer then it's good enough for me!!
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Told you James Vince is good.
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How many times does a well set batsman get himself run out . Could forgive him if they were trying to reach some milestone of sorts or batting with the tail , but a five day test, run outs should be has rare has Fozzie dropping a catch .
Vince must be kicking himself for not reaching three figures .
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Not a bad day's score especially after losing Ally for 2 to a loose shot playing away from the body, Vince (surprisingly) & Stoneman in his solid way did well but we must get up to at least 350 even 400 & get Warner & Smith in particularly quickly. Good bowling by the Aussies , Lyon especially bowled very well & deserved better.
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Not a bad day's score especially after losing Ally for 2 to a loose shot playing away from the body, Vince (surprisingly) & Stoneman in his solid way did well but we must get up to at least 350 even 400 & get Warner & Smith in particularly quickly. Good bowling by the Aussies , Lyon especially bowled very well & deserved better.
Mmm, 302 ao not such a good second day batting performance. Still, as may be the pattern for this series, the Aussies got themselves into a bit of a pickle as well until the skipper dug them out. Could actually be a very interesting series - irrespective as to who comes away with the Ashes at the end.
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Has become a one innings shot out . Whoever holds their nerve, just needs someone from either side to take the game away. Will bowling last be a benefit on the wicket, providing we can stack up enough runs ?
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We really need a Captain's innings from Root tomorrow a la Smith's great effort. If he goes early then we will be in trouble, we will need a lead of at least 250 to have a winning chance, should prove to be another absorbing day on Sunday, roll on.
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For 2.5 days, it looked pretty good for us, then ....
Oh well, (almost) slaughter at the Gabbattoir - back to business as usual! As numerous commentators have said, our batsmen have got to turn some 50s into big 100s to get us into winning positions.
However, I wouldn't be too hard on the selectors, given the paucity of options available (And a poor decision, IMHO, to give Moeen out stumped). I just can't see Jake Ball as a test bowler but the only real alternative, Overton, has both batted and bowled poorly on tour so far.
Positives? Well, all the top 7 except Ally have got one decent score and some good crease time under their belts; our aged opening bowlers look to be fit and up for it. And the Aussies batting ain't that great.
Having said that, the Aussies start the next test as clear favourites, unless injuries intervene.
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I'm informed that Overton has bowled well on the tour. Anyone still think Woakes is anything more than a bang average county player?
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I'm informed that Overton has bowled well on the tour. Anyone still think Woakes is anything more than a bang average county player?
He looks good in Tests in England but not so much away. He's a very good county player and a much better one than Ball, Overton and Curran.
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I'm informed that Overton has bowled well on the tour. Anyone still think Woakes is anything more than a bang average county player?
He looks good in Tests in England but not so much away. He's a very good county player and a much better one than Ball, Overton and Curran.
Yep
I think he is (much) better than your average county player. I’d take him at Essex in a heartbeat
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A heavy wickets defeat is likely tomorrow as our batsmen let us down again (Cook in particular has had a 'mare in Brisbane), the commentators had it right afterwards when they felt that not all our bowlers believed we could win with Aust needing 170, not enough support for the excellent efforts of Anderson & Broad. Woakes & especially Ball haven't looked good enough, maybe Overton should get his chance in Adelaide but the 2nd Test is now crucial/pivotal given our poor record in Perth.
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After the inevitable thrashing I had to smile when Root said that England were on top for a lot of the Test!! No they weren't, they competed in the first innings but let opportunities slip in both innings then the 2nd innings followed a familiar pattern, they simply have to do better in Adelaide or I can see Glenn McGrath's usual prediction becoming reality. Re the Jonny Bairstow episode it appears to have been blown out of proportion (no surprise there!) but England players surely must heed the warnings & be whiter than white in future, any drinking should be discreet & not in view of hundreds of people, better still don't drink especially whilst the Ashes are on.
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Ben Stokes spotted at Heathrow!
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Ben Stokes spotted at Heathrow!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42146537
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Woakes & especially Ball haven't looked good enough
When has Ball ever looked good?
Terrible bowler.
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How is Ben Stokes able to clear off to NZ while under police investigation? If the CPS are taking no action, why isn't he off to Adelaide?
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How is Ben Stokes able to clear off to NZ while under police investigation? If the CPS are taking no action, why isn't he off to Adelaide?
Nothing to stop him going. He’s not on bail and if they decide to charge then they send you a requisition to attend court.
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It might be that the police have indicated they will be recommending (to the CPS) no further action should be taken. So Stokes is being readied to join the Ashes tour as soon as the CPS make their decision.
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It might be that the police have indicated they will be recommending (to the CPS) no further action should be taken. So Stokes is being readied to join the Ashes tour as soon as the CPS make their decision.
Been in discussions with Canterbury, though.
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It might be that the police have indicated they will be recommending (to the CPS) no further action should be taken. So Stokes is being readied to join the Ashes tour as soon as the CPS make their decision.
Told you so.
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It might be that the police have indicated they will be recommending (to the CPS) no further action should be taken. So Stokes is being readied to join the Ashes tour as soon as the CPS make their decision.
Told you so.
For once I welcome the prospect that certain palms were greased and/or words had with the CPS about patriotism. That little toerag was goading Stokes (who shouldn't have been there I agree) so his sore head and Stokes' public shaming should be enough to put this to bed.
Anyway, being forced to face Starc et al on a bouncy WACA pitch is a far more suitable punishment than community service... ;)
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Sledging levels are about to increase ( and I am not talking about Christmas ).
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Unlikely to play in the Ashes (according to the Beeb)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42177627
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Mark Wood got through 14 overs for the Lions - only 1 wicket, 64 runs, but I still wonder if the sleectors might take a punt on him for the 2nd test? Ball isn't up to the job and Overton hasn't pulled up any trees, and we need a bowler with that "X" factor to get the big wickets.
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2nd Test .
Looks like a unconvincing batting display, picking off a unconvincing bowling display. England bowlers to much of a muchness and require one with a extra yard to cause different problems .
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From when I tuned in (7:30am UK) I thought we bowled ok Woakes excepted. Overton confirmed the good impression I have of him.
Not for the first time it looks like Woakes has been over-coached. Lost the ability to move he ball in the search to be quicker. Bowlers have a 'natural' pace which is learned early. Too often coaches say/do too much. Less is more.
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From when I tuned in (7:30am UK) I thought we bowled ok Woakes excepted. Overton confirmed the good impression I have of him.
Not for the first time it looks like Woakes has been over-coached. Lost the ability to move he ball in the search to be quicker. Bowlers have a 'natural' pace which is learned early. Too often coaches say/do too much. Less is more.
Don't entirely agree. Anderson had a real off-day, bowling far too short too often. Woakes wasn't great but he got one wicket and would have had another had Stoneman not shelled it. Overton looked OK, not express pace but I like his confidence.
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The Headingley declaration resulting in the loss to the West Indies was dismissed as adventurous captaincy. The decision to insert here was bewildering and will probably rank alongside other "great errors" such as made by Hussain and Ponting. Perhaps it is time to christen him "calamity Joe"? I have a strong feeling we are heading towards another 5-0 against what cannot possibly be described as a strong Australia side.
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Now need to get similar score after conceding far to many in the first innings, to stay in this game .
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The Headingley declaration resulting in the loss to the West Indies was dismissed as adventurous captaincy. The decision to insert here was bewildering and will probably rank alongside other "great errors" such as made by Hussain and Ponting. Perhaps it is time to christen him "calamity Joe"? I have a strong feeling we are heading towards another 5-0 against what cannot possibly be described as a strong Australia side.
Ally was often criticised by the pundits for being too cautious / conventional - many of them opined England could have won the first test in India last winter if not for his conservatism. Maybe Joe has swung too far the other way, with funky fields galore? Before the "sack the captain" campaign starts, however, remember he's on a learning curve - and a very steep one.
In his defence, however, it must be said that he couldn't have foreseen all the experienced England seamers all bowling below par in helpful conditions on day 1. Jimmy, in particular, had a real stinker, possibly the worst opening spell he's produced for England for a decade. But even the very best have their bad days.
stoneman out now. Hard to see us saving this one .
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Desperate times calling for desperate measure? A good littlearticle:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21649446/england-look-wood-pace-deficit-starts-tell
.. and a very enightening statistic:
"England's average new ball length was 7.363m from the stumps. Australia's length is 5.87m from the stumps. #Ashes"
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Desperate times calling for desperate measure? A good littlearticle:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21649446/england-look-wood-pace-deficit-starts-tell
.. and a very enightening statistic:
"England's average new ball length was 7.363m from the stumps. Australia's length is 5.87m from the stumps. #Ashes"
We shouldn't be picking bowlers just because they are fast. Those with long memories will recall Alan Ward (Derbyshire), Martin McCague and Jon Agnew amongst others who were bad selections for this reason.
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Desperate times calling for desperate measure? A good littlearticle:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21649446/england-look-wood-pace-deficit-starts-tell
.. and a very enightening statistic:
"England's average new ball length was 7.363m from the stumps. Australia's length is 5.87m from the stumps. #Ashes"
We shouldn't be picking bowlers just because they are fast. Those with long memories will recall Alan Ward (Derbyshire), Martin McCague and Jon Agnew amongst others who were bad selections for this reason.
A bunch of fast medium bowlers doesn't work in places like Australia or in the sub continent. You need something a bit different to win matches there. The problem is we don't have anyone like that to pick from. It's a shame Footitt had his problems this summer as maybe he could have played.
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Desperate times calling for desperate measure? A good littlearticle:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21649446/england-look-wood-pace-deficit-starts-tell
.. and a very enightening statistic:
"England's average new ball length was 7.363m from the stumps. Australia's length is 5.87m from the stumps. #Ashes"
We shouldn't be picking bowlers just because they are fast. Those with long memories will recall Alan Ward (Derbyshire), Martin McCague and Jon Agnew amongst others who were bad selections for this reason.
A bunch of fast medium bowlers doesn't work in places like Australia or in the sub continent. You need something a bit different to win matches there. The problem is we don't have anyone like that to pick from. It's a shame Footitt had his problems this summer as maybe he could have played.
Agree a bunch of F-M bowlers won't do it in Aus. (Not so sure about the subcontinent, though.)
Nasser often used to say that England lacked the "X-factor" bowler, probably a speed man or a leggie, who could get wickts when the others couldn't. Or to wipe out a stubborn tail, I might add. Footit, if fit & firing, could have been useful in offering something different, even if he's not express pace. Ditto Steve Finn, with his height & bounce. At the moment, Mark Wood & Mason Crane are the only candidates who might provide us with that X-factor, as far as I can see. Both would be big gambles.
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Replace Woakes with Crane. Nothing wrong with bowling 80mph as long as the ball is doing something. David Masters could seam the ball on a motorway.
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Two big gambles if available would have been, Topley & Mills !! But it is now about the batsman .
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Replace Woakes with Crane. Nothing wrong with bowling 80mph as long as the ball is doing something. David Masters could seam the ball on a motorway.
Bowling with Dukes balls in England is very different to bowling with Australian Kookaburra balls. The Kookaburra ball does nothing after the first few overs.
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Desperate times calling for desperate measure? A good littlearticle:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21649446/england-look-wood-pace-deficit-starts-tell
.. and a very enightening statistic:
"England's average new ball length was 7.363m from the stumps. Australia's length is 5.87m from the stumps. #Ashes"
We shouldn't be picking bowlers just because they are fast. Those with long memories will recall Alan Ward (Derbyshire), Martin McCague and Jon Agnew amongst others who were bad selections for this reason.
A bunch of fast medium bowlers doesn't work in places like Australia or in the sub continent. You need something a bit different to win matches there. The problem is we don't have anyone like that to pick from. It's a shame Footitt had his problems this summer as maybe he could have played.
We have been unlucky with injuries to Roland-Jones and Finn. Mark Wood and Liam Plunkett both not fit. No Ben Stokes either.
I would say the fastest bowlers in England not selected:
Stuart Meaker
Olly Stone
Richard Gleeson
Mark Footitt
Jamie Overton
James Fuller
The same old faces get picked for the Lions. Its always the likes of Tom Helm, Saqib Mahmood, George Garton, Paul Coughlin etc.
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We have been unlucky with injuries to Roland-Jones and Finn. Mark Wood and Liam Plunkett both not fit. No Ben Stokes either.
I would say the fastest bowlers in England not selected:
Stuart Meaker
Olly Stone
Richard Gleeson
Mark Footitt
Jamie Overton
James Fuller
The same old faces get picked for the Lions. Its always the likes of Tom Helm, Saqib Mahmood, George Garton, Paul Coughlin etc.
I think Jamie Overton's injured and Mark Footit screwed his chance sup with his fannying about last season.
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We have been unlucky with injuries to Roland-Jones and Finn. Mark Wood and Liam Plunkett both not fit. No Ben Stokes either.
I would say the fastest bowlers in England not selected:
Stuart Meaker
Olly Stone
Richard Gleeson
Mark Footitt
Jamie Overton
James Fuller
The same old faces get picked for the Lions. Its always the likes of Tom Helm, Saqib Mahmood, George Garton, Paul Coughlin etc.
I think Jamie Overton's injured and Mark Footit screwed his chance sup with his fannying about last season.
Mark Foottit - the last thing you need in Oz is a snowflake. That's why I like Craig Overton so much, a bit of the dog in him. When his brother is fit again I can see both featuring in the Test team.
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After yesterday's poor batting the bowlers gave us a chance with excellent bowling from Jimmy & well backed by Chris Woakes (hope he bowls like this more often), not a great start to our 2nd innings but we are halfway there & Root is the key - if he can get a big ton then we could do it but if he gets out early I can't see the others getting close. It should be a fascinating final day especially the key first session. I look forward to switching on at 5.30am tomorrow when I get up.
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The Aussies are clearly favoutites but at least we've put up a fight.
Great lower-order batting by Woakes & Overton, playing with balls & brains. Then world class boowling by Anderson & Woakes in both the bowler-friendly floodlit conditions and the more neutral conditions the next day.
Ha dMalan hunfg on I'd stil gove us a real chance but it must be 10-1 aagainst, only a Root 200 willdo it for us, I think. But the Aussies confidence will have taken a HUGE knock.
Wish we had a real (90 mph) paceman as good a Cummins, though. If he could stay fit he'd be i neveryone's world X1.
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If Anderson and Broad had behaved like the senior internationals on the first morning we could've won this one. As I said before the series began, we are frustratingly making an average Aussie side look like the class of 1995-2004.
Still big crowds and the possibility of any result on the final day. Shows that Test cricket is still very much alive. The secret is to have bilateral rivalries rather than 'leagues' which leads to too many series involving sides not good enough and who's audience is culturally and intellectually not up to watching an absorbing game unfold over a week.
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Anderson might have taken his first Aussies Michelle, looks possible the team is heading for one also.
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Yep the Ashes have gone. Anderson and Broad hold too much influence over the team and need to be reigned in ... Or dropped. Need a strong captain.
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If Anderson and Broad had behaved like the senior internationals on the first morning we could've won this one. As I said before the series began, we are frustratingly making an average Aussie side look like the class of 1995-2004.
Spot on, Andy. 2 great seamers, a top-class spinner and one world-class batsman do not a great team make.
Like the old WW1 joke has it, "it's not the depsair, it's the hope I can't take." My rambling early-morning throughts:
Hard to see how to improve the England Xi with what's available, assuming the report in the sub-Standard stating that Mark Wood's nowhere near ready is correct, amd that Ben Stokes can't be recalled yet. Bringing in Ballance or Ball would do nothing to inspire my confidence.
On their form so far in this series, you could make a strong case for dropping Ally & Mo, or even Broad, were there decent alternatives about. They need to deliver in the next test, and stop living on reputations, or their test careers could go the same way as Jonathon Trott's did after the last Aussie tour.
James Vince - I'd love to see him succeed at Test level, clasic stylist, but what has he got between his ears? Not the stuff of a number 3, IMHO. Is it time for Joe Root to grow a pair and bat at 3, with Malan 4, Vince 5 & Bairstow 6?
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I'd drop Vince ( I would not have picked in the first place), bat Root at 3, Bairstow 4 and bring in Foakes as wicketkeeper.
Ali deserves to be dropped but there are no suitable replacements.
It's a lost cause but it would be good to see some fight back in the next Test.
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Yep the Ashes have gone. Anderson and Broad hold too much influence over the team and need to be reigned in ... Or dropped. Need a strong captain.
I wouldn't disagree about those two - but they are clearly better than any other bowler. Perhaps the real problem is they know it!
Let's face it, Chef was poor - a posh Tim-Nice-But-dim who's better off slaughtering dumb animals and working the ball off his pads. Joe Root is another pleasant person, but really no strength of character. Personally, I'd ask Dizzy to take over as coach, appointing someone with no knowledge/interest of the county game was going to be a huge problem. Indeed, I'd get Allan Border as chairman.
The only good thing that could come out of this is the resignation of Strauss and Graves. Somehow I don't think this will happen.
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Yep the Ashes have gone. Anderson and Broad hold too much influence over the team and need to be reigned in ... Or dropped. Need a strong captain.
I wouldn't disagree about those two - but they are clearly better than any other bowler. Perhaps the real problem is they know it!
Let's face it, Chef was poor - a posh Tim-Nice-But-dim who's better off slaughtering dumb animals and working the ball off his pads. Joe Root is another pleasant person, but really no strength of character. Personally, I'd ask Dizzy to take over as coach, appointing someone with no knowledge/interest of the county game was going to be a huge problem. Indeed, I'd get Allan Border as chairman.
The only good thing that could come out of this is the resignation of Strauss and Graves. Somehow I don't think this will happen.
You've indirectly identified the problem, no-one is wholly accountable.
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This is beginning to look like a tour too far for Mr Cook. If his current form carries on he will have a big decision to make. Their is nothing more for him to achieve internationally or domestically, he has a young family and a career in farming to pursue whenever he decides to call time.
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Yep the Ashes have gone. Anderson and Broad hold too much influence over the team and need to be reigned in ... Or dropped. Need a strong captain.
I wouldn't disagree about those two - but they are clearly better than any other bowler. Perhaps the real problem is they know it!
Let's face it, Chef was poor - a posh Tim-Nice-But-dim who's better off slaughtering dumb animals and working the ball off his pads. Joe Root is another pleasant person, but really no strength of character. Personally, I'd ask Dizzy to take over as coach, appointing someone with no knowledge/interest of the county game was going to be a huge problem. Indeed, I'd get Allan Border as chairman.
The only good thing that could come out of this is the resignation of Strauss and Graves. Somehow I don't think this will happen.
What have they got to do with it? We just haven't got good enough players at the moment. The squad is pretty much the best that could have been picked. There's no one else that has demanded to be picked on performances. The likes of Vince, Malan and Stoneman are decent county batsman but have never shown anything consistantly that they are above that level. They've been picked because there's no one better. Bowlers like Overton, Ball, Woakes etc are decent bowlers in county cricket where conditions pretty much always give you something to work with, even on flat pitches. They struggle when they go to places like Australia. Again, we have no one better. Add this to Cook looking out of sorts and the huge loss of Stokes and we look ordinary.
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This is beginning to look like a tour too far for Mr Cook. If his current form carries on he will have a big decision to make. Their is nothing more for him to achieve internationally or domestically, he has a young family and a career in farming to pursue whenever he decides to call time.
Maybe, I have Essex stars in my eyes. But, I’ve always thought Cook would play a few years CC as and when he stops playing internationally. It may be nothing to do with achievement - just some time playing with his county without too much pressure
I do think he may call time on his international career after this tour, though
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This is beginning to look like a tour too far for Mr Cook. If his current form carries on he will have a big decision to make. Their is nothing more for him to achieve internationally or domestically, he has a young family and a career in farming to pursue whenever he decides to call time.
Maybe, I have Essex stars in my eyes. But, I’ve always thought Cook would play a few years CC as and when he stops playing internationally. It may be nothing to do with achievement - just some time playing with his county without too much pressure
I do think he may call time on his international career after this tour, though
Yes I'd hope Cook wouldn't do a Hussain and retire from all forms of cricket immediately but rather do a Gooch and play on at county level for a year or two. I guess he could make a fortune out of the Big Bash if he wanted to combined with playing for Essex as he's a name and the Aussies seem to like English players in that competition. But it wouldn't surprise me if he packed it all in - especially if he gets a media offer.
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The only good thing that could come out of this is the resignation of Strauss and Graves. Somehow I don't think this will happen.
What have they got to do with it? We just haven't got good enough players at the moment. The squad is pretty much the best that could have been picked. There's no one else that has demanded to be picked on performances. The likes of Vince, Malan and Stoneman are decent county batsman but have never shown anything consistantly that they are above that level. They've been picked because there's no one better. Bowlers like Overton, Ball, Woakes etc are decent bowlers in county cricket where conditions pretty much always give you something to work with, even on flat pitches. They struggle when they go to places like Australia. Again, we have no one better. Add this to Cook looking out of sorts and the huge loss of Stokes and we look ordinary.
Chef has looked disinterested since losing the captaincy - he seemed to be the only rating his manhandling of the attack.
Some strange selection policies: Plunkett has been sneaked back in. Mason Crane has a nice suntan.
Stoneman was ignored despite scoring runs, but I guess G&S don't really pay much attention to county form.
Indeed, when considering the county game do they look much beyond fixing championships for their teams? Their master plan is city franchises, which won't address the problems of the game: not enough playing the game at grassroots and hiding the game behind a paywall for a generation. This allied with a media strategy driven by the Aussie fake news machine suggests Mr S should've taken up his place on our masters programme...
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This is beginning to look like a tour too far for Mr Cook. If his current form carries on he will have a big decision to make. Their is nothing more for him to achieve internationally or domestically, he has a young family and a career in farming to pursue whenever he decides to call time.
Maybe, I have Essex stars in my eyes. But, I’ve always thought Cook would play a few years CC as and when he stops playing internationally. It may be nothing to do with achievement - just some time playing with his county without too much pressure
I do think he may call time on his international career after this tour, though
Yes I'd hope Cook wouldn't do a Hussain and retire from all forms of cricket immediately but rather do a Gooch and play on at county level for a year or two. I guess he could make a fortune out of the Big Bash if he wanted to combined with playing for Essex as he's a name and the Aussies seem to like English players in that competition. But it wouldn't surprise me if he packed it all in - especially if he gets a media offer.
I'd be amazed if any of the teams wanted him. He's played 3 twenty20 matches since 2010.
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The only good thing that could come out of this is the resignation of Strauss and Graves. Somehow I don't think this will happen.
What have they got to do with it? We just haven't got good enough players at the moment. The squad is pretty much the best that could have been picked. There's no one else that has demanded to be picked on performances. The likes of Vince, Malan and Stoneman are decent county batsman but have never shown anything consistantly that they are above that level. They've been picked because there's no one better. Bowlers like Overton, Ball, Woakes etc are decent bowlers in county cricket where conditions pretty much always give you something to work with, even on flat pitches. They struggle when they go to places like Australia. Again, we have no one better. Add this to Cook looking out of sorts and the huge loss of Stokes and we look ordinary.
Chef has looked disinterested since losing the captaincy - he seemed to be the only rating his manhandling of the attack.
Some strange selection policies: Plunkett has been sneaked back in. Mason Crane has a nice suntan.
Stoneman was ignored despite scoring runs, but I guess G&S don't really pay much attention to county form.
Indeed, when considering the county game do they look much beyond fixing championships for their teams? Their master plan is city franchises, which won't address the problems of the game: not enough playing the game at grassroots and hiding the game behind a paywall for a generation. This allied with a media strategy driven by the Aussie fake news machine suggests Mr S should've taken up his place on our masters programme...
G&S are not selectors. Stoneman has been selected this year on the back of a decent season for Surrey. He's done nothing too spectacular before that to demand selection, averaging 36 in first class overall. 34 in 2015 and 46 in 2016 (which is made less impressive when his opening partner that season, Jennings, averaged 65)
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Chef has looked disinterested since losing the captaincy - he seemed to be the only rating his manhandling of the attack.
Put the wine back in the fridge, Andy!
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Chef has looked disinterested since losing the captaincy - he seemed to be the only one rating his manhandling of the attack.
Put the wine back in the fridge, Andy!
I'm perfectllly sobber, your honour.
A month without broadband - even reduced to talking to the wife - then to see this lot chuck it away against the Woolangong ladies 2nd XI. It's enough to drive any (in)sane man to the bottle.
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Picking at the bones of it all . Stoneham got selected because of some Daddy centuries for Surrey after Jennings floundered and Hameed got injured . Vince and Malan are both players you would be glad to remove playing Championship cricket , but with all the batsmen they were short of decent extra pace attacks preparation .
Conviction in playing a spinner, rather than a player that has to prop up the batting does not help. Time for Foakes to replace Bairstow behind the stumps and let him concentrate on his batting .
Anderson should have been first changer, and was amazed his first five wicket haul in Australia given that he had twenty four others .
Time for rebuild to start, with Silverwood having a major job in finding a new pace attack, Coad , both Currans and Overton most likely to replace the present .
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Very disappointing to lose so easily having given ourselves a chance, most of the batsmen need to look at themselves & start to work on their technique especially outside off stump - when to leave & when & what & how to play. Too many batsmen need a decent score in Perth next week if not then it's goodbye to the Ashes again.
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I think Cook has only got about 7 or 8 tests in a row to do, in order to claim world record of consecutive tests. If I was him, I'd make the selectors make the decision as to whether he makes it or not.
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Cook would have to prove himself with us in the Blast if he ever wanted a T20 franchise offer which I don’t think he’ll want. He’s already said he sees himself playing on for Essex after he retires and he’s far more likely to do it if he retires anytime in the near future while his buddies Tendo, Foster and Ravi are still going. My worry would definitely be a big money media offer. I remember him doing some fun radio commentary in the summer for TMS and he was a natural. If Sky get their claws into him like they did with Nasser and I have no doubt they’ll make an approach, we could struggle to keep him.
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Cook would have to prove himself with us in the Blast if he ever wanted a T20 franchise offer which I don’t think he’ll want. He’s already said he sees himself playing on for Essex after he retires and he’s far more likely to do it if he retires anytime in the near future while his buddies Tendo, Foster and Ravi are still going. My worry would definitely be a big money media offer. I remember him doing some fun radio commentary in the summer for TMS and he was a natural. If Sky get their claws into him like they did with Nasser and I have no doubt they’ll make an approach, we could struggle to keep him.
Cook is not a T20 player - but yes he does have a nice posh accent. Hopefully he'd be a better commentator than the usual comedy northerners they use on TMS etc.
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Silverwood having a major job in finding a new pace attack, Coad , both Currans and Overton most likely to replace the present .
... provided Bayliss doesn't fall on his sword after a 5-0 whitewash and Spoons end up with the top job?
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Vince and Malan are both players you would be glad to remove playing Championship cricket , but with all the batsmen they were short of decent extra pace attacks preparation .
Very true for Malan, clearly beaten purely for pace in 2 innings. With Vince, it seems a bit deeper, he cannot stop having a slash outside off stump. It's possible, however, that if Vince had to face more challenging attacks more often, it might push him to tighten up his game
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With Vince, it seems a bit deeper, he cannot stop having a slash outside off stump.
That would explain the damp patches...
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Vince and Malan are both players you would be glad to remove playing Championship cricket , but with all the batsmen they were short of decent extra pace attacks preparation .
... With Vince, it seems a bit deeper, he cannot stop having a slash outside off stump. It's possible, however, that if Vince had to face more challenging attacks more often, it might push him to tighten up his game
Too much focus on 1 day cricket. Simple as. *Very* talented player.
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Cook would have to prove himself with us in the Blast if he ever wanted a T20 franchise offer which I don’t think he’ll want. He’s already said he sees himself playing on for Essex after he retires and he’s far more likely to do it if he retires anytime in the near future while his buddies Tendo, Foster and Ravi are still going. My worry would definitely be a big money media offer. I remember him doing some fun radio commentary in the summer for TMS and he was a natural. If Sky get their claws into him like they did with Nasser and I have no doubt they’ll make an approach, we could struggle to keep him.
Cook is not a T20 player - but yes he does have a nice posh accent. Hopefully he'd be a better commentator than the usual comedy northerners they use on TMS etc.
It doesn't matter whether Ally has a posh accent or not it is the quality of the words he uses, mind you it doesn't stop Botham among others spouting a load of rubbish!!
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Cook is not a T20 player - but yes he does have a nice posh accent. Hopefully he'd be a better commentator than the usual comedy northerners they use on TMS etc.
It doesn't matter whether Ally has a posh accent or not it is the quality of the words he uses, mind you it doesn't stop Botham among others spouting a load of rubbish!!
Trouble is, most of the time the expert explayers just state the bleedin' obvious. I've nothing against posh voices per se, I could listen to Mike Brearley speak all day - but then again he is an educated, thoughtful speaker. Moreso an ex-colleague had her cut glass accent which was not unpleasant to listen to, very funny when the annoying students made her swear...nothing like a posh bird well spoken, esteemed academic effing and jeffing.
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Cook is not a T20 player - but yes he does have a nice posh accent. Hopefully he'd be a better commentator than the usual comedy northerners they use on TMS etc.
It doesn't matter whether Ally has a posh accent or not it is the quality of the words he uses, mind you it doesn't stop Botham among others spouting a load of rubbish!!
Trouble is, most of the time the expert explayers just state the bleedin' obvious. I've nothing against posh voices per se, I could listen to Mike Brearley speak all day - but then again he is an educated, thoughtful speaker. Moreso an ex-colleague had her cut glass accent which was not unpleasant to listen to, very funny when the annoying students made her swear...nothing like a posh bird well spoken, esteemed academic effing and jeffing.
I work with a young lady just like that.Very well presented, professional and quite posh. She deals with captains of industry, government ministers and the like with aplomb. However, once the fags and gin come out it's a stream of cut glass invective. Quite a contrast to my Fletcheresque north Essex vowels!
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I think Cook has only got about 7 or 8 tests in a row to do, in order to claim world record of consecutive tests. If I was him, I'd make the selectors make the decision as to whether he makes it or not.
Yes Leftfield, I think you've hit the proverbial on the whatever...
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Ashes: Jonny Bairstow will 'take matters further' if sledging 'crosses the line'
Oh dear. How did we win two World Wars and a World Cup? Certainly with these idiots writing nonsense like this, the Aussies must be laughing - even worse, they might end up pitying us.
ECB should closely vet every tap of a keyboard by these flannelled fools.
If you're going to head-butt someone, make sure they don't remain vertical. My posh-but-sweary ex-colleague was very adept at kickboxing/MMA. She's working in NZ now, the academic year has finished so I'm sure she could pop over the Tasman sea to provide a little backbone to our snowflakes.
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Ashes: Jonny Bairstow will 'take matters further' if sledging 'crosses the line'
Oh dear. How did we win two World Wars and a World Cup? Certainly with these idiots writing nonsense like this, the Aussies must be laughing - even worse, they might end up pitying us.
ECB should closely vet every tap of a keyboard by these flannelled fools.
If you're going to head-butt someone, make sure they don't remain vertical. My posh-but-sweary ex-colleague was very adept at kickboxing/MMA. She's working in NZ now, the academic year has finished so I'm sure she could pop over the Tasman sea to provide a little backbone to our snowflakes.
Yep ... 'Aussies in sledging row' shock.
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Call up for Ben Duckett? Who are these guys making the same mistakes...not Jimmy!?
The latest indiscretion involving the England team is thought to have left management incredibly angry.
There is a feeling that trouble usually centres around the same small group of players and that they could pay with their place in the squad, even if that weakens the overall strength of the team.
"I might review who is in the team," said Bayliss. "They can't keep making the same mistakes. "Most of the guys are fine, but somewhere along the line some of the guys have to pull their heads in."
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Call up for Ben Duckett? Who are these guys making the same mistakes...not Jimmy!?
Ben Duckett was dropped from the current match for pouring a drink over Jimmy Anderson ..
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Call up for Ben Duckett? Who are these guys making the same mistakes...not Jimmy!?
Ben Duckett was dropped from the current match for pouring a drink over Jimmy Anderson ..
I know - that was from the article about Duckett/Anderson. I was joking. Wonder what Jimmy said? I wonder whether Jimmy is part of the problem...
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Call up for Ben Duckett? Who are these guys making the same mistakes...not Jimmy!?
Ben Duckett was dropped from the current match for pouring a drink over Jimmy Anderson ..
I know - that was from the article about Duckett/Anderson. I was joking. Wonder what Jimmy said? I wonder whether Jimmy is part of the problem...
Yep. He knows he's an automatic choice for the team and he and Broad like to think they run the team.
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Yet another idiot who doesn't seem to know how to behave, obviously we don't know the full story but hardly going to endear himself to the Selectors acting like that. Apparently the bad behaviour seems to be a small group of players most of the time which of course drags down the decent & responsible ones with them (like Ally)
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Yet another idiot who doesn't seem to know how to behave, obviously we don't know the full story but hardly going to endear himself to the Selectors acting like that. Apparently the bad behaviour seems to be a small group of players most of the time which of course drags down the decent & responsible ones with them (like Ally)
Yes interesting comment by Bayliss - the usual "a bad few spoiling it for the rest...." line. However, was Duckett in that category? Wasn't he with the A Team lions? Stokes isn't even there, so who are the remaining suspects?
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Yet another idiot who doesn't seem to know how to behave, obviously we don't know the full story but hardly going to endear himself to the Selectors acting like that. Apparently the bad behaviour seems to be a small group of players most of the time which of course drags down the decent & responsible ones with them (like Ally)
Yes interesting comment by Bayliss - the usual "a bad few spoiling it for the rest...." line. However, was Duckett in that category? Wasn't he with the A Team lions? Stokes isn't even there, so who are the remaining suspects?
Bairstow, Broad and Anderson I'd guess.
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I am getting sick and tired of hearing all these boorish stories coming out of the England camp. I think a start in cleaning up their acts would be to acquaint most of them with a razor. They look like a rabble with all this designer stubble and behave accordingly.
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I am getting sick and tired of hearing all these boorish stories coming out of the England camp. I think a start in cleaning up their acts would be to acquaint most of them with a razor. They look like a rabble with all this designer stubble and behave accordingly.
Agreed about the behaviour, not so sure whether the shaving will help, Gooch never shaved during a test I believe. Bigger issue is that the ECB has lost the plot, if it ever had it, over the past 15 years.
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Much fuss about nothing. Always happens on an Oz tour. Aussie press like to get stuck into the Poms and unfortunately the ECB have fallen for it.
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Possibly agree ,the trouble is we always seem to give them ammunition. Sadly the behaviour of a few (idiots/morons) reflects on the decent ones (Ally), Moeen etc.
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Eh? I can't see the Ashes mentioned in that tale, what's it all about??
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Think it's a spam-type post, will need a Mod to remove it I would imagine.
Lynda
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There were quite a few posted. Most were removed but this one has staying power!
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I informed the mods about this one. Occasionally the Ruskies or North Koreans, or maybe K@ntish people seeing as they now have electricity down there, make an attack. Mind you if the broadband is as slow as it is here, then it...willl...be...a...very...slow...attack - with the server dropping out half way in.
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Occasionally the Ruskies or North Koreans, or maybe K@ntish people seeing as they now have electricity down there, make an attack.
I'm still not convinced Matt Coles isn't a 5th column.
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Occasionally the Ruskies or North Koreans, or maybe K@ntish people seeing as they now have electricity down there, make an attack.
I'm still not convinced Matt Coles isn't a 5th column.
If you had to pick someone as a 5th columnist would you pick Matt Coles?!
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I informed the mods about this one. Occasionally the Ruskies or North Koreans, or maybe K@ntish people seeing as they now have electricity down there, make an attack. Mind you if the broadband is as slow as it is here, then it...willl...be...a...very...slow...attack - with the server dropping out half way in.
Thanks for the report. Sp*m post now deleted
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Occasionally the Ruskies or North Koreans, or maybe K@ntish people seeing as they now have electricity down there, make an attack.
I'm still not convinced Matt Coles isn't a 5th column.
If you had to pick someone as a 5th columnist would you pick Matt Coles?!
Admittedly he wouldn't do as good a job as Northeast in that regard.
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Occasionally the Ruskies or North Koreans, or maybe K@ntish people seeing as they now have electricity down there, make an attack.
I'm still not convinced Matt Coles isn't a 5th column.
Given that he appears to use the same fitness videos as myself (Inzimam ul-haq's "20 steps...to the buffet") Matt could potentially comprise a whole column.