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Cricket => England Test => Topic started by: Blocky on November 21, 2013, 01:29:27 PM
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Good start? Let the tail wag a tad I'd say, but it was bound to happen as the kookaburra ball got older. Pitch may look green but it only seems to encourage movement with a new harder ball at the present.
Lets hope we knock off the two wickets early and then we have a great first inns.
Lastly...Quality response from Broady.....Right up yours Convicts!!! :)
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As 2006/7 showed, the first day is often very important in setting the tone of the series.
On the other hand, didn't Haddin run away with it the first day in 2010/11?
Good start, maybe certain local rags in Aussie will learn to spell B-R-O-A-D. ;)
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Well, what a surprise. Good job we have Gooch out there as batting coach >:(
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Never assume anything till both sides have had a chance to bat.
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Never assume anything till both sides have had a chance to bat.
Did we bat? Or did we just move straight on to the Aussie 2nd innings?
That burk Gooch wastes time making batters do star jumps, why not teach them how to play proper swing, seam and spin?
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Never assume anything till both sides have had a chance to bat.
Did we bat? Or did we just move straight on to the Aussie 2nd innings?
That burk Gooch wastes time making batters do star jumps, why not teach them how to play proper swing, seam and spin?
Looks like it was pace that blew them away. Too much jumping out of the way?
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He swings to the left, he swings to the right, that Mitchell Johnson, his bowling is excellent when his muse is with him, but atrocious when it isn't...
...doesn't quite scan as well as the original. Needs some work.
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That's what's known as commentators curse blocky!
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When Johnson gets it right like today he can be lethal but England's batsmen didn't help themselves with some poor shots. A big day faces us on Sat & we will doubtless have to get 500+ or bat 2 days to save the game.
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I am surprised no one has commented today on England's spineless & pathetic surrender in Brisbane, Cook excepted & to a lesser extent Root who showed resistance England were poor & 1 or 2 have a lot of work to do before Dec 5 in Adelaide. Trott seems to have completely lost his rhythm & the Aussies have sussed his weakness to the shortish ball, Prior too has had another 'mare with the bat & as for Pieterson... why play an irresponsible shot like the hook when he needed to stay there - once again he played too flash a shot for the situation & showed little of the application he needed to.
On Cricinfo an article aske if he is a great batsmanor a player of great innings? Not sure he is really either, too much of a maverick, I think!!
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A Guardian editorial on Saturday (after the pathetic first-innings collapse, but before the pathetic second-innings debacle) pointed the finger at a lack of competitive first-class cricket for the England team. Can't help wonder (as I did at the time) whether it might've been better for all of them to go back to their counties after the end of the last test series, and play some actual proper competitive cricket till the end of the county season. Though of course in Cook's case, he'd've been playing for Essex, so it wouldn't've been proper competitive cricket.
Experts will have expert explanations for the England cricket team's disappointing start to the current Ashes series in Brisbane. Good Australian bowling, bad English batting, the pitch, the weather, the crowd and the expectations all doubtless played their part. From a distance, however, there feels a more obvious explanation. Modern Test cricketers don't play as much first-class cricket as they should. Before Brisbane, most of the England team last played a seriously competitive cricket match in August. Since then, they have played a few one-day games and Twenty20s, gone on boot camps and participated in a handful of uncompetitive practice games. Now they have arrived in Brisbane for a proper match – and have been duly skittled out. It's pretty clear they weren't really ready, and that they don't spend enough time doing what they are supposed to – playing cricket. In the distant days of Len Hutton and Ray Illingworth, England touring teams had at least a month before the first Test, during which they played several competitive four-day fixtures against full-strength state sides. It didn't always mean they arrived in Brisbane in winning form. But at least it didn't mean they had to be pitched into the Test match firing line to rediscover how to play the game. Returning to the long tours of yesteryear is as unrealistic as travelling out to Australia by ship. But England's cricketers should surely play more often at county and state level in order to prevail more consistently in the Tests that matter.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/23/unthinkable-cricketers-playing-cricket-editorial (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/23/unthinkable-cricketers-playing-cricket-editorial)
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Got to take issue with this and George Dobells article on crickinfo.
Re-read the sentence "modern Test cricketers don't play enough First Class cricket". That refers to Aussie as well as Eng,ad. Ian Chapell lamented at the end of the first days play that the pointless one day series immediately before the Ashes was poor preparation - yet the Aussies recovered well after a poor first day.
England were in Aussie a month before the first test. Whilst the warm up matches weren't that competitive, were they ever in Len Huttons day???? Who wants to give proper practice to the enemy?
It is technique that is at fault. Playing match after match doesn't help technique. As Boycott would rightly point out, it is serious practice in the nets, focusing on perfecting technical faults that is needed. Look at Simon Hughes excellent analysis of the Trott vs Bell techniques. The former is too closed and vulnerable to leg theory bowling, the latter is more open to allow the short ball past his chest. Simples.
We have Gooch, Ramps and other 'experts' out there. Trott should've been working on this months ago, but I suspect that there's been too much emphasis upon 5am runs on the beach and star jumps at the expense of proper practice. Never put Gooch in charge of anything. Ask him to swap jobs with Simon Hughes.
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Looks like Mr Trott has a whole lot more issues than his inability to play Clarke's leg theory bowling (by Johnson).
My theory on this is fight fire with fire.
bring in Finn and mills and take their bloody heads off....
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England were in Aussie a month before the first test. Whilst the warm up matches weren't that competitive, were they ever in Len Huttons day???? Who wants to give proper practice to the enemy?
It is technique that is at fault. Playing match after match doesn't help technique...
I dunno, but I do think I remember that back in the days when touring national teams in England would play a lot of first-class matches against the counties, they were pretty competitive, with full-strength sides being picked and a determination on the part of the touring team to go through the tour undefeated against the counties.
And at least it kept them away from endless star-jumping, football, volleyball or whatever the experts' current fad is. And it kept them in practice at innings-building, rather than one-day thrashing. [Oo-er missus.]
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Well, what's the point in taking an unfit person on tour? Totally agree that Trott should go home, but this isn't new news if the reports coming out are true.
The selectors backed themselves into a corner a few months ago over Compton, the Root opening experiment was unnecessary as we do have openers in county cricket, they've just become too insular. My comments about Gooch still stand. Great batsman, poor captain, man-manager and tactician.
I wouldn't bother getting Finn and Mills to bowl at Warner, if I were them, he'd be cleaning toilet bowls without the aid of a brush...
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I wouldn't bother getting Finn and Mills to bowl at Warner, if I were them, he'd be cleaning toilet bowls without the aid of a brush...
Has there been suggestion of bringing in Tymal ? If so that'd be a very good selection , imo. Probably too much innovative thinking though.
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I must say if Trott has had this problem 'for some time' why was he selected to go in the first place.I have every sympathy for him but with England's army of therapists and psychologists one would have thought that somebody somewhere might have suggested that a full tour of Australia might not be a good idea.
I may be wrong but this problem seems to be affecting the England team almost exclusively in that Trescothick, Yardy and now Trott have fallen victim but I don't recall players from other countries experiencing the same trauma or maybe others' policy is to keep the news under the wraps.
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Er, I wasn't advocating Tymal for his prowess on the field. ;)
No one has advocated TM for a full debut. However, I notice how the media are saying that we don't have the pace to trade like-for-like, which seems bizarre because they were saying that is why we'd picked 4 tall quickies in the squad!!!!!!!!
However, this got me thinking. Back in the mid-50s Hutton took an untried Tyson, who blew the Aussies away. Worth noting that we got caned in the first test back then as well...
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I must say if Trott has had this problem 'for some time' why was he selected to go in the first place.
I may be wrong but this problem seems to be affecting the England team almost exclusively in that Trescothick, Yardy and now Trott have fallen victim but I don't recall players from other countries experiencing the same trauma or maybe others' policy is to keep the news under the wraps.
Trott clearly has a form of OCD, which may or may not be linked. His Saffer team mate has raging narcissism. We take the rough with the smooth with our colleagues.
As for why doesn't it effect other team, well I don't know. As Trott is not a Brit born and bred, it can't be our education system or the usual Daily Mail diagnoses. I know that there was a diary by Paul Gibb of the post war Ashes tour that revealed the torment he was going through at the time, so this is not a modern phenomenon. A number of England players back in the day simply refused to tour.
In the past, ECCC players took their lives because they couldn't play any more - maybe this is a slightly different situation because they were facing poverty in middle age, whilst Trott & Tresco have more support nowadays
As for other countries, maybe we just don't hear about them. However, we all know the problems besetting a certain Kiwi international and Essex club player, who is slowly recovering...
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As for other countries, maybe we just don't hear about them...
I suspect that since Marcus Trescothick bravely went public, the game over here has been far more open about it.
It does appear that Trott's been managing his condition for some time now. But it's always hard to predict the way that such conditions can suddenly flare up, and in the circumstances he's done the right thing in coming home. Good luck to the bloke, I hope that things will improve for him. It's a tough and lonely place to be.
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Er, I wasn't advocating Tymal for his prowess on the field. ;)
No one has advocated TM for a full debut. However, I notice how the media are saying that we don't have the pace to trade like-for-like, which seems bizarre because they were saying that is why we'd picked 4 tall quickies in the squad!!!!!!!!
However, this got me thinking. Back in the mid-50s Hutton took an untried Tyson, who blew the Aussies away. Worth noting that we got caned in the first test back then as well...
I was. I would personally wait till Perth and pick the 4 fastest bowlers we have available and take the convicts to the cleaners with horrible nasty short pitched bowling. Sure, we may well lose, but we'll show some fight. Bring back Firey Fred, Frank Tyson and Larwood.... >:(
The problem however is the ECB/Selectors won't want to do that. Nice little bit of public school wouldn't have taught them to fight their corner.
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Nice little bit of public school wouldn't have taught them to fight their corner.
Wot Gooch, Giles, Flower et al, public school? In the case of the former, there's not many of the aforementioned in Leyton.
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I was more thinking of the ECB, but I think you'll find Mr Flower's Education in Zim was rather paid for. (mind you, the comprehensive system under Zanu PF would have been a right chuckle).....
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I tend to remember Boycott suffering some kind of mental block in the 1970's culminating in a 2 or 3 yr. break from international cricket. There were some cynics at the time, myself included who were of the opinion that it was perhaps a tad more than coincidental that the timing of his decision just happened to coincide with Lilley and Thomson being at their peak. ::)
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I tend to remember Boycott suffering some kind of mental block in the 1970's culminating in a 2 or 3 yr. break from international cricket. There were some cynics at the time, myself included who were of the opinion that it was perhaps a tad more than coincidental that the timing of his decision just happened to coincide with Lilley and Thomson being at their peak. ::)
"Boycott tends to be where the fast bowlers aren't" - Tony Greig
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I tend to remember Boycott suffering some kind of mental block in the 1970's culminating in a 2 or 3 yr. break from international cricket. There were some cynics at the time, myself included who were of the opinion that it was perhaps a tad more than coincidental that the timing of his decision just happened to coincide with Lilley and Thomson being at their peak. ::)
"Boycott tends to be where the fast bowlers aren't" - Tony Greig
Both of you may be correct but ...the reason he went into exile was his problems with an Indian left arm seamer by the name of Solkar. His return coincided with the emergence of the great West Indian fast bowlers...which he faced with some success. So, not sure he was running scared of Lillian Thomson.
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Both of you may be correct but ...the reason he went into exile was his problems with an Indian left arm seamer by the name of Solkar. His return coincided with the emergence of the great West Indian fast bowlers...which he faced with some success. So, not sure he was running scared of Lillian Thomson.
Wikipedia doesn't take us much further either.
''This period of exile coincided with the peaks of several fast bowlers' careers, including Dennis Lillee, Jeff Thomson, Andy Roberts, and Michael Holding. However, he later came back to face the West Indies pace battery at its most fearsome in the late 70s and early 80s.''
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Another great day for the England batsmen today out for a pathetic 179 after being 85-1 & later 171-5, an incredible collapse. Whilst The Ego got runs in both innings I would still question his all out attack policy when a bit of sensible restraint might have helped, yet again our batsmen contributed greatly to their own downfall (sounds a bit like any Essex innings!!), I suspect Australia will win comfortably during the afternoon session on Sunday & 5-0 still looks on the cards.