Big bash comparison

[Andy]

Shows you don't have to be too bright to be an ex-pro - or is it because they can see an nice little earner with coaching a franchise...?

[nat]

Shows you don't have to be too bright to be an ex-pro - or is it because they can see an nice little earner with coaching a franchise...?

Both characteristics apply.

[Valentines Park]

Shows you don't have to be too bright to be an ex-pro - or is it because they can see an nice little earner with coaching a franchise...?

Dim ex pros as coaching candidates for potential franchises?

There might be something to this 20/20 lark after all ...

[tonk]

Trouble is the game wont stand still and wait for us.There are now 3 other events that players can make a living from if you include the Caribbean Premier League and they are all condensed so if you want to see the better players and therefore better T20 games things will have to change.

[JasonP]

Trouble is the game wont stand still and wait for us.There are now 3 other events that players can make a living from if you include the Caribbean Premier League and they are all condensed so if you want to see the better players and therefore better T20 games things will have to change.

This was one of the big myths of the Big Bash.  The best Aussie players like Warner, Smith and Johnson didnt play a single game.  Most of the overseas players were players like Lumb, Carberry, Stokes, Bresnan, Wright, Roy.  Players that couldnt make it into the England World Cup Squad.  In the 2 semi finals the overseas players were Botha, ten Doeschate, Lumb, Wessels, Pietersen, Wright, Carberry and Arafat.  7 of which played in the t20 Blast last year and none of them apart from Pietersen big names.  The only tournament that gets the big names is the IPL and that is because of the huge money that they have over there.

[Andy]

Did the BBL actually make a profit? I heard it is a loss leader to keep up the profile of the game rather than a huge money spinner - maybe more of a money-puts-a-little-off-cutters?

[JasonP]

Did the BBL actually make a profit? I heard it is a loss leader to keep up the profile of the game rather than a huge money spinner - maybe more of a money-puts-a-little-off-cutters?

There is a big article on Cricinfo today.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2014-15/content/current/story/826015.html

[Andy]

Did the BBL actually make a profit? I heard it is a loss leader to keep up the profile of the game rather than a huge money spinner - maybe more of a money-puts-a-little-off-cutters?

There is a big article on Cricinfo today.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/big-bash-league-2014-15/content/current/story/826015.html

So, a loss making exercise that is persevered with - unlike our T20 which was doing OK until idiots started messing around with fixtures.

The lessons from BBL are that you need to take time to grow support without hysterical changes to working formats, oh and get terrestrial TV coverage...

Franchises, my a@~'e.

[bobw]

So, a loss making exercise that is persevered with - unlike our T20 which was doing OK until idiots started messing around with fixtures.

The lessons from BBL are that you need to take time to grow support without hysterical changes to working formats, oh and get terrestrial TV coverage...

Franchises, my a@~'e.
[/quote]


My point exactly on starting the thread. The whole point of T20 is to make money. Why copy a loss making model?  I would keep the current structure (even though it squeezes the CC) for a number of years to let the competition develop. The bringing in of overseas stars seems to be a huge cost for little added reward. In say two or three years the will probably need to be some changes to keep the product fresh, but until receipts start to fall keep a product that works!

[afinetickletoleg]

Another way to look at it is that the BBL, IPL, and CPL all have the same players playing in the same, or very similar, number of times so why not have a worldwide T20 roadshow?

You could have 8 teams made up of the worlds top players travelling the world like a circus playing a separate competition in Australia, India, West Indies and England. They could also include NZ, SA and anywhere else that hosts a T20 bash so that no-one is left out.

When the same international players are being recruited to play in each country it ceases to be a domestic competition to an extent anyway.

[Valentines Park]

Kind of like the Harlem Globetrotters.

Mind you even they don't chalk up as many air miles as RTD.

[frank21]

FRANCHISES=FAN DISFRANCHISEMENT 

[IlfordEagle]

How many people will really follow a Franchise based in London? Players will simply go where the money is best with no loyalty to the Club/Franchise, there will be core of supporters, personally I won't go to watch a London team whoever it contains even if any Essex players are involved.
Like many other true cricket lovers I will follow my County, I guess the T20 will be tweaked to improve the product but I remain unconvinced that Franchises will really take off in England.

[LeedsExile]

The franchise advocates fail to understand that sport in the UK is tribal. People in Football, Rugby & Cricket have their teams from early in their lives and largely stick with them through thick and thin. This may be irrational but it sustains our sport. I simply do not believe there are thousands of "floating fans" who would support a franchise. In Yorkshire very few would travel to Headingley to support a Leeds team, but they do come to watch Yorkshire. I have heard this many times when the subject is debated.

[afinetickletoleg]

Exile - I am of the same opinion as you but we are both assuming that T20 franchises would be watched by traditional cricket supporters.

Say the teams were packed with the top players from the Asian countries; would a Leeds team still struggle to Headingley for 7 games?