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Offline nat

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2021, 08:09:43 AM »
My reckoning is that *all* first counties will disappear and the Test match counties will be subsumed into the associated franchise team. So you will have eight franchises as the professional setups playing all first class cricket as well as the 1 day competitions. There *may* be a second tier of semi-pro counties such as Essex playing who knows what.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2021, 08:15:24 AM »
The best that could happen for the 'big' counties is that they hire their grounds to the franchises and then play on out grounds with the other 'small' counties. This would still leave having 24 teams rather than 18. Where would all these players be developed to get 'star' rateing? The franchise teams will not be developing their own players so the 18 will be devoid of their best players, espcially when England take the franchise players and then the vacancies are fill from the counties.
I can see this as the death of professional cricket in this country in the long term.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2021, 09:56:28 AM »
My reckoning is that *all* first counties will disappear and the Test match counties will be subsumed into the associated franchise team. So you will have eight franchises as the professional setups playing all first class cricket as well as the 1 day competitions. There *may* be a second tier of semi-pro counties such as Essex playing who knows what.
What's your timescale for your predication, Nat?

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2021, 10:33:26 AM »
I can see the end of county cricket as we know it by 2025.
It is obvious the ECB want the test match grounds as the main centres and they are happy to see the end of the teams like Essex, Somerset and Kent.
I just hope there is a fight back and that common sense will win against such damaging plans. Not looking good.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2021, 11:08:46 AM »
yep 2025 seems about right. I'd stake my reputation on it.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2021, 11:37:12 AM »
yep 2025 seems about right. I'd stake my reputation on it.

I'm in a glass half full frame of mind today and it leads me to think that 2025 is a bit pessimistic. I think we might drag out a slow death until 2030.

The only thing that could save New Writtle Street from turning into a housing development of one and two bed flats would be if the ECB decided to use us as ground operator for women's cricket. Small playing area and small capacity being suitable for stand alone women's fixtures.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2021, 03:09:23 PM »
We were told that the chap who replaced the odious Graves was far more friendly towards the 18 county system. No evidence to date that is the case.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2021, 05:08:57 PM »
yep 2025 seems about right. I'd stake my reputation on it.

I'm in a glass half full frame of mind today and it leads me to think that 2025 is a bit pessimistic. I think we might drag out a slow death until 2030.

The only thing that could save New Writtle Street from turning into a housing development of one and two bed flats would be if the ECB decided to use us as ground operator for women's cricket. Small playing area and small capacity being suitable for stand alone women's fixtures.
I'd go 2030 as well at the absolute latest, although 2025 wouldn't surprise me. As for women's cricket, I guess that's a possibility, although when considering the crowds they've been getting for the 16.4, I suspect the England Women's team will transition to playing regularly at test match grounds, whilst the domestic teams play at the outgrounds of the test match counties e.g Lancashire Women at Liverpool, Chester etc.

The sad thing is that this was so avoidable from an Essex perspective, but we've been let down by the numerous people in charge. We've got the fanbase, we've got the catchment area, but we don't have the ground and despite years and years of talk the County Ground remains an old relic and ultimately our ticket to the wilderness. Worst thing is, the people in charge of Essex will stand by and let it happen. Just like they did with the Hundred, they are too frightened of the ECB.

Just my opinion, but I truly believe the only chance Essex have of survival as a full time county playing top level domestic cricket is for the members to swallow their pride and the club to go down the Hampshire route and sell either a minor or a majority stake in the club to a rich benefactor either in the UK or abroad, who has the money and commitment to either radically redevelop Chelmsford to bring it to international standard (unlikely considering the lack of space), or sell it and build a new ground somewhere else in the county. As I said, we've got both the support, the academy infrastructure, the history of international player production and the catchment area (Essex, East Anglia, East London) to continue being allowed to play top level domestic cricket. We just need a ground with facilities fit enough to be given the green light and that won't happen in our current position as a members club. We'll never find the money without taking out a huge loan that we could never pay back.

We simply cannot go on like this, we are sleepwalking into oblivion and I say it because I care! I have no interest or intention in following or supporting a part-time cricket club whose job it is to play feeder to the test match counties.
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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2021, 05:11:53 PM »
The best that could happen for the 'big' counties is that they hire their grounds to the franchises and then play on out grounds with the other 'small' counties. This would still leave having 24 teams rather than 18. Where would all these players be developed to get 'star' rateing? The franchise teams will not be developing their own players so the 18 will be devoid of their best players, espcially when England take the franchise players and then the vacancies are fill from the counties.
I can see this as the death of professional cricket in this country in the long term.
That's not what will happen. The test match counties will play the first class and 50 over competition with the franchise attached to that ground playing the Hundred (which by then may have reverted back to T20). The women will play an identical domestic system. This is far easier to execute for the ECB as they can say that they haven't "destroyed county cricket", just "streamlined it" instead. The test match counties will understandably look after themselves, to hell with the rest of us paupers and will be delighted as not only will they continue to receive revenue from international matches and a bigger pot of central cash a year from the ECB, they'll also continue to compete at the top level of domestic cricket with their old rivalries intact (Roses match etc), not to mention cherry picking the best players from counties such as Essex who will find themselves out of full-time work.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2021, 05:27:56 PM »
There must be plenty of money amongst the membership, lots of retired city types, stockbrokers, accountants, lawyers with bulging bank accounts. All it needs is for a couple of them to remember the club in their will...the club should do more to tap them up...promise them a new Stand with their name on it if they bequeath some dosh or something similar.

The best option would be to re-develop the ground in situ. Could easily increase the capacity to c. 8000 which would be enough plus some better hospitality facilities.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2021, 05:59:39 PM »
For all the doom & gloom the 16.4 isn't a guaranteed success.

Most of the tickets were given away & even then every ground wasn't full.

It could end up being a latter day Stanford series.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2021, 06:47:27 PM »
There must be plenty of money amongst the membership, lots of retired city types, stockbrokers, accountants, lawyers with bulging bank accounts. All it needs is for a couple of them to remember the club in their will...the club should do more to tap them up...promise them a new Stand with their name on it if they bequeath some dosh or something similar.

The best option would be to re-develop the ground in situ. Could easily increase the capacity to c. 8000 which would be enough plus some better hospitality facilities.
Think we need more to be honest Nat. 10k minimum with top quality media and pavillion facilities. No doubt in my mind whatsoever that we'd sell 10k tickets for T20 cricket as long as we aren't charging extortionate prices.

There are nine regions in this country (currently six are hosting a 16.4 franchise) and I'm sure the ECB would preferably like to cover all nine in a new ringlocked domestic system, which is why Bristol/Gloucestershire (South West) and Durham (North East) will no doubt each be given a place. That leaves the East of England, currently the fourth most populated region of the nine with over 6 million inhabitants! Essex remain the only first class county in the East of England! All we need is a modern ground/facilities to match and the ECB would likely let us in.

I know I'm coming off as hugely critical to the people in charge at the club, but I honestly don't believe these people realise how lucky a position we are in geography wise. They just look at the two London grounds and think we're a small little neighbour with no prospects of growth when the reality is the opposite!

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2021, 06:13:36 PM »
Nice to see that The EcB Executives including Harrison and the Hundred MD have awarded themselves £2.1 million in bonuses.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2021, 07:01:24 PM »
Nice to see that The EcB Executives including Harrison and the Hundred MD have awarded themselves £2.1 million in bonuses.

quelle surprise.

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Re: Discussion re 100 comp split from G thread
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2021, 06:51:19 AM »
I realise that you are being sarcastic Pablo but it is actually quite disgusting. These people have squandered reserves of £75m so that there is only an increasing debt left. They are so in hoc to the tv companies that they have to play meaningless series (Sri Lanka & Pakistan this season) which serve to exhaust and injure their prime assets the players. In any other walk of life there would be an inquiry into gross mismanagement and heads would roll. It seems journalistically only George Dobell is prepared to take them on as the rest have their noses so deep in the trough. The whole saga is destroying our game.
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