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Offline Andy

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2019, 07:29:47 PM »
If Don Topley is in favour that is another reason to despise the thing.
Agreed.

Is Reece putting himself forward?  If so, which pay bracket has he put himself into?

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2019, 08:03:26 PM »
If I understand Topleys argument it is something like this:

we have 18 counties playing first class, 50 over and 20 over matches which makes for a crowded season. Therfore, to solve this problem, we need to add the 100 as a further competition and crowd the season even more!!

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2019, 08:21:07 PM »
If I understand Topleys argument it is something like this:

we have 18 counties playing first class, 50 over and 20 over matches which makes for a crowded season. Therfore, to solve this problem, we need to add the 100 as a further competition and crowd the season even more!!

With that line of genius argument he could work for the ECB. Maybe that's what he's angling for.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2019, 08:35:52 PM »
Don Topley cares

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/don-topley-why-we-must-support-the-hundred-1-6306560

I don't care to the extent that there is no team in there I'd support. As a, sadly, mainly cricket watcher on TV these days, I am interested in it and will watch it.

I think this is rather a generational thing. Younger cricket fans I know are much more up for it than me and my fellow veterans.
Does anyone think that Topley really believes in the utter drivel he has come out with in this article?
I honestly wouldn't know where to start if I had an opportunity to question him on some of his vacuous statements.
I've seen large Dutch cheeses with less holes than some of his conclusions.
Methinks he is angling for a commentary job, presumably with BBC given his local radio background, for the 16.4 next summer.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2019, 09:01:28 PM »
Don Topley cares

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/don-topley-why-we-must-support-the-hundred-1-6306560

I don't care to the extent that there is no team in there I'd support. As a, sadly, mainly cricket watcher on TV these days, I am interested in it and will watch it.

I think this is rather a generational thing. Younger cricket fans I know are much more up for it than me and my fellow veterans.
Does anyone think that Topley really believes in the utter drivel he has come out with in this article?
I honestly wouldn't know where to start if I had an opportunity to question him on some of his vacuous statements.
I've seen large Dutch cheeses with less holes than some of his conclusions.
Methinks he is angling for a commentary job, presumably with BBC given his local radio background, for the 16.4 next summer.

He was sacked by the BBC less than a year ago.  I don't think he'll be commentating for them anymore.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2019, 08:03:49 AM »
Like the SixteenPointFour.  Think we should call it that, to express our utter contempt of the whole thing.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2019, 08:30:21 AM »
Don Topley cares

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/don-topley-why-we-must-support-the-hundred-1-6306560

I don't care to the extent that there is no team in there I'd support. As a, sadly, mainly cricket watcher on TV these days, I am interested in it and will watch it.

I think this is rather a generational thing. Younger cricket fans I know are much more up for it than me and my fellow veterans.


Good point. I did a straw poll among the youngsters at Billereicay CC and they all seem very excited about The Hundred. I guess today's kids have been introduced to the game via Kwik Cricket, All Stars, Terriers and are not fazed by different formats and just love playing cricket. This is the audience the ECB are targeting and rightly or wrongly, they are the future of a game in trouble, not us oldies.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2019, 09:13:07 AM »
Don Topley cares

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/don-topley-why-we-must-support-the-hundred-1-6306560

I don't care to the extent that there is no team in there I'd support. As a, sadly, mainly cricket watcher on TV these days, I am interested in it and will watch it.

I think this is rather a generational thing. Younger cricket fans I know are much more up for it than me and my fellow veterans.


Good point. I did a straw poll among the youngsters at Billereicay CC and they all seem very excited about The Hundred. I guess today's kids have been introduced to the game via Kwik Cricket, All Stars, Terriers and are not fazed by different formats and just love playing cricket. This is the audience the ECB are targeting and rightly or wrongly, they are the future of a game in trouble, not us oldies.

Disagree. Since when did we think children had more wisdom than adults?

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2019, 11:34:59 AM »
I don't doubt that the amount of social (and other) media coverage that The Hundred is getting with its fancy outfits (dubiously sponsored by fast food) will have made an impact upon younger people.  However, whereas the likes of Kwik Cricket, All Stars etc are not unnecessarily challenging the fundamentals of the domestic game. 

Indeed, those initiatives actually address the most important aspect - the lack of participation in the sport.  Although plastic bats and coloured stumps may not be purist, there's no conflict (especially as the white ball game is itself very colourful). 

The Hundred is based on the fundamental falsehood that the county game is somehow 'irrelevant'.  If there has been any decline in crowds, it is because the ECB has messed around with schedules (the T20 Blast in particular, although it still pulls in crowds) and has foolishly encouraged the building of larger stadiums - which can only be filled by the occasional international match. 

If the ECB had been more sensible in not encouraging unsustainable building projects by counties, allowed the scheduling of red/white ball tournaments, then there would be no need for The Hundred.  Of course, that would mean that we still have 18 county teams - and we know that this is deemed 'too many' by those with vested interests in certain counties...


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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2019, 12:16:55 PM »
If the ECB persist with this stupid idea to reduce the number of Counties to 8/10 then presumably it would be the weakest 8/10 at a given date, I would guess there will always be at least 1/2 so called 'stronger' Counties in CC2 Eg next year Notts, Sussex & Middx or will they just decide certain Counties irrespective of how they stand at present, certainly  Durham, Glamorgan who have Test status would currently also be at risk & how could they say to Essex & Somerset the current 2 best sides ' Sorry but you don't qualify!!'
In Womens football a couple of years ago Doncaster Belles , one of the greats of the sport were effectively told they would be demoted ifo Man C who had done virtually nothing prior to then, hardly fair on DB. clear case of money talking. I suspect there will be uproar amongst the Counties if/when this is ever proposed etc.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2019, 01:32:39 PM »
I thought far from being in trouble cricket in this country is on the biggest high for at least 15 years ( pace Atherton, Key and others). The last time it was this buoyant in 2005 the ECB screwed it up by abandoning free to air coverage, the impact of which has been devastating up to now in taking cricket out of the general consciousness.

20;20 attendances are rising nearly to capacity for most counties and even figures for Championship cricket have gone up. What extra appeal will be gained by playing 20 less balls an innings escapes me.
Denuding many of access to first class cricket by eliminating 8/10 counties - given the work they do with schools ,clubs, outreach and disabled cricket as well as their cricket schools- seems entirely counterproductive.

Many aspects of life given the existence of the X Box, low attention span generation face challenges but the continued bastardisation of a sport which still has millions of devotees can't be the answer and this assumes that the real motivation behind this 'innovation' is about attracting a new audience rather than what I think it is, a chancey hope of making someone a lot of money and concentrating power into a few hands a la football's premiership owners.

If this fails and let's face it there is a possibility it will. What's next? Ten overs a side, five overs a side or any bloody unrecognisable thing that the marketeers and grocery 'entrepreneurs' think might make them a quick buck.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2019, 01:39:55 PM »

Since when did we think children had more wisdom than adults?

Since a Swedish truant made it fashionable.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2019, 01:48:13 PM »

If this fails and let's face it there is a possibility it will. What's next? Ten overs a side, five overs a side or any bloody unrecognisable thing that the marketeers and grocery 'entrepreneurs' think might make them a quick buck.
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I don't think it will be allowed to fail. In the first season schools and clubs will probably be given free or very cheap tickets to ensure full houses of new fans and a new audience. The powers that be will not allow this to be on TV with half empty grounds. So with full attendancies it will be proclaimed as the most popular thing since before sliced bread.
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Offline Andy

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2019, 02:25:31 PM »
I've felt that the 21st century would see many sports collapse under the weight of dodgy money from dodgy sources, too much influence from government or quasi government interests, plus the overall lack of ethical scruples from those running the particular sport.

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Re: Players who we may lose to the hundred
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2019, 03:16:00 PM »
I don't get it.
On this page alone, four separate comments from four regular contributors on here, namely Andy, bobw, Pablo and IlfordEagle; all making complete sense in their excellent contributions, yet I have not heard one player, ex-player or pundit ( with the possible exception of Agnew) who has said a word against the 16.4.
So what is it, are they lying through their back teeth when praising the great God "100", or are we all genuinely missing something obvious about how it will become the best thing since sliced bread?

I wish Tom Harrison, Andrew Strauss and Colin Graves contributed to this forum. They would not know what had hit them.