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Offline Valentines Park

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #120 on: February 16, 2017, 10:21:50 AM »
I've always thought I was superior to the T 20 riff raft.

A T20 riff raft sounds like a good idea to me.

Set them adrift so the rest of us can watch proper cricket. 

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #121 on: February 16, 2017, 03:55:16 PM »
Australia is often quoted as the bench mark for the number of  first class cricket teams. the Australian population is about 24.5 Million, England and Wales is about 68.5 million. Australia has 6 first class states ie 1 per 4 million. England/wales has 18 ie 1 per 3.6 million.

In their T20 they have 8 teams (1 per 3 million) so maybe we need  18/19 teams. ie the number of counties we now have, maybe plus one more.

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #122 on: February 16, 2017, 04:22:50 PM »

In their T20 they have 8 teams (1 per 3 million) so maybe we need  18/19 teams. ie the number of counties we now have, maybe plus one more.

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« Reply #123 on: February 16, 2017, 09:27:35 PM »
Australia is often quoted as the bench mark for the number of  first class cricket teams. the Australian population is about 24.5 Million, England and Wales is about 68.5 million. Australia has 6 first class states ie 1 per 4 million. England/wales has 18 ie 1 per 3.6 million.

In their T20 they have 8 teams (1 per 3 million) so maybe we need  18/19 teams. ie the number of counties we now have, maybe plus one more.

Using the Australia bench mark, there should be about 400 teams in the IPL!

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #124 on: February 17, 2017, 10:54:53 AM »
Using the Australia bench mark, there should be about 400 teams in the IPL!

KP might even get a gig with one of them.

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« Reply #125 on: February 17, 2017, 07:55:48 PM »
Interesting article in the Torygraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/02/16/ecb-told-allay-fears-english-players-will-sidelined-new-twenty20/

It appears that the PCA have concerns about the impact on their members. It will be interesting to hear the ECB response!!!

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« Reply #126 on: February 17, 2017, 11:13:39 PM »
Interesting article in the Torygraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/02/16/ecb-told-allay-fears-english-players-will-sidelined-new-twenty20/

It appears that the PCA have concerns about the impact on their members. It will be interesting to hear the ECB response!!!
The PCA wants big competitions paying big wages but doesn't want that higher profile to extend to big names from overseas, they would rather keep the trough for their own  members snouts. While this is the duty of a union they can't have it both ways. I don't want to see another over blown T20 jamboree for the usual lazy, greedy suspects, Gayle, Bravo, Morgan et al with all the monies going into foreign bank accounts any more than the PCA do but the difference is I want to see investment in the game instead of hyper wages for hyped up English players.
 


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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #128 on: February 24, 2017, 01:06:35 PM »
This is well worth a read:

http://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/92526/stakes-high-for-counties-as-england-edge-closer-to-new-t20-competition

Indeed, the game in this country has been undermined by at least two decades of incompetent leadership.  Back in the 1980s it at least wiped its own nose, without having to rely upon massive ECB handouts because the latter have encouraged counties to waste money on pointlessly large stadiums although no-one outside of the small, aging (and/or middle class) audience.

Ratcliffe is one of the very few ex-county cricketers who understands that the ECB plan is to destroy the game in this country - then (somehow) rebuild from the ruins. Even though it's a little left-field, his idea for a 3-tier conference system at least doesn't undermine the whole fabric of the county system.

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #129 on: February 24, 2017, 04:17:33 PM »
This is well worth a read:

http://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/92526/stakes-high-for-counties-as-england-edge-closer-to-new-t20-competition

Indeed, the game in this country has been undermined by at least two decades of incompetent leadership.  Back in the 1980s it at least wiped its own nose, without having to rely upon massive ECB handouts because the latter have encouraged counties to waste money on pointlessly large stadiums although no-one outside of the small, aging (and/or middle class) audience.

Ratcliffe is one of the very few ex-county cricketers who understands that the ECB plan is to destroy the game in this country - then (somehow) rebuild from the ruins. Even though it's a little left-field, his idea for a 3-tier conference system at least doesn't undermine the whole fabric of the county system.

The T20 Blast still does pretty well in the country.  A lot of counties get good crowds.  I still don't get what they think they'll achieve with the new city based tournament.  For some reason certain people think it's going to mean new fans flocking to a city based tournament that wouldn't normally go to the current version.  Why that is I don't know.
This is from 2015.  Only 2 years ago.
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10076035/cricket-attracts-record-crowds-for-domestic-and-international-games


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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #130 on: February 24, 2017, 05:59:03 PM »
It's a bright shiny new toy and it gives the Tarquins at Lords something to do.

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #131 on: February 24, 2017, 06:26:39 PM »
It's a bright shiny new toy and it gives the Tarquins at Lords something to do.

"When I am King they will be first against the wall..."

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #132 on: February 24, 2017, 06:29:30 PM »
Jonathan Liew, in the Telegraph on Monday, wrote an interesting article about the Big Bash.  Apparently, the Tasmanian element of the Bash is a team called the Hobart Hurricanes, who get the smallest crowds of all grounds, not helped by the residents of Launceston, who don't fancy supporting a team with 'Hobart' in its title or the 6-hour round trip to watch them.  He also re-iterated the problem that, whereas two-thirds of Australians live in the six cities hosting the tournament, the same does not apply in this country.

No thought seems to have been given to how all these new fans will get to the matches, apart from those in the cities themselves.  As county fans, we all make an effort to travel to see our team: our own journey to watch Durham is about 50 minutes by car, but would be much longer by public transport (10 minutes walk plus 25 minutes on the 'bus, just to get to Darlington to catch the train) and some of you have even longer journeys.  Is it likely that people who have never bothered with cricket before will suddenly devote themselves to a four-hour round trip to watch a couple of hours of sport played by a collection of individuals who may have nothing at all to do with the name of the team?  Existing local rivalries will also come to the fore: will you be able to persuade Liverpudlians to go and watch a team called Manchester?  Because if you can't, you'll never fill the ground.

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #133 on: February 24, 2017, 08:42:28 PM »
The short answer is that the ECB want games played at bigger grounds a la Oz in the belief that they'll get bigger crowds a la Oz.

5000 at the ECG or 5000 at Worcester doesn't cut it for the ECB.

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Re: Stop the ECB from taking cricket away from the counties!
« Reply #134 on: February 25, 2017, 12:20:02 PM »
It's a bright shiny new toy and it gives the Tarquins at Lords something to do.

"When I am King they will be first against the wall..."
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