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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2016, 10:39:29 AM »
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Seeing as it is always the coaches fault it is all down to Silverwood and he has got to go.

He's got a bit more rope but continual failure should not be tolerated like it was with Grayson.

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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2016, 10:57:18 AM »
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Seeing as it is always the coaches fault it is all down to Silverwood and he has got to go.

He's got a bit more rope but continual failure should not be tolerated like it was with Grayson.

His ideas seem to be working well so far.  In fact if it wasn't for William Winstone we may have struggled under the pressure last night.

http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/promoted-silverwood-push-players-hard/story-28378864-detail/story.html

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« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2016, 11:02:12 AM »
Not quite true! The average age of our squad was 30.6, theirs 30.4. Notts had two players aged 37, we only had one 38, then 36

We have RtD who is virtually 36, Zaidi nearly 35, as well as Fossie and Napes (36) and hoddy (38). Ravi and Jesse won't see 30 again. Notts have players looking forward to their 30th, which explains the closeness in average age, but they have a better balance of ages - dare I say it, better quality throughout the squad.

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Re: Notts q/f
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2016, 12:16:51 PM »
Winstone out!

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« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2016, 03:57:07 PM »
Winstone out!

Exactly my thoughts.  If we want a 'proper' psychologist I have a colleague who's a fully trained occupational psychologist. She's also a very keen kickboxer/martial arts practitioner. She might be just what we need.

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« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2016, 04:57:45 PM »
So Chris Silverwood doesn't want to make excuses for the Notts defeat ... and then goes on to make one.

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« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2016, 07:54:54 PM »
after a 6 hour round journey ravi  has put me off going to another game while he is captain. his leadership was poor to say the least and his batting was awful and who made the decision to send in ashar at 4 ? was this just because it was a q final ? laughable really, has bopara forgot he is an england international ?

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« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2016, 11:17:19 PM »
after a 6 hour round journey ravi  has put me off going to another game while he is captain. his leadership was poor to say the least and his batting was awful and who made the decision to send in ashar at 4 ? was this just because it was a q final ? laughable really, has bopara forgot he is an england international ?

When we lost at Lords in the 50 over comp the other week there were people moaning that Zaidi wasn't pushed up the order.  I thought it was a pretty good idea to send him up in this match.  Two spinners who turn the ball into the left handers were bowling and so it was a pretty logical move to get a left hander in.  Easier for the left hander to hit than the right handers.  I very much doubt he was under the instruction to try and hit every ball for six.

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2016, 06:28:08 AM »
after a 6 hour round journey ravi  has put me off going to another game while he is captain. his leadership was poor to say the least and his batting was awful and who made the decision to send in ashar at 4 ? was this just because it was a q final ? laughable really, has bopara forgot he is an england international ?

When we lost at Lords in the 50 over comp the other week there were people moaning that Zaidi wasn't pushed up the order.  I thought it was a pretty good idea to send him up in this match.  Two spinners who turn the ball into the left handers were bowling and so it was a pretty logical move to get a left hander in.  Easier for the left hander to hit than the right handers.  I very much doubt he was under the instruction to try and hit every ball for six.

If he’d actually hit a few more boundaries, as he did the last time, we’d all be saying what an inspired decision it was!

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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2016, 06:59:48 AM »
20/20 is a lottery. One player often decides a game, in this case Patel, the other week Zaidi. Accept it for what it is. Notts are going to be playing second division cricket next season.

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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2016, 07:59:28 AM »
20/20 is a lottery. One player often decides a game, in this case Patel, the other week Zaidi. Accept it for what it is. Notts are going to be playing second division cricket next season.

It is a lottery but why do so many of our choking performances come on finals day or the quarter final?  Can only be a mental issue, in short they bottle it.

We seem fine when there is the safety net of a next game in a group stage but freeze when it is down to what happens on the day.

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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2016, 10:09:02 AM »
Whilst all types of cricket can see matches flip favourites in a short space of time, I think that it is more difficult to turn around 20/20 games than 2 innings formats. Similarly, some improvisation e.g. Zaidi going up the order, makes sense but looks poor if it doesn't come off. Problem is, you begin to wonder whether there is a definite gap between us and teams who win trophies.

This was the case in the 1970s when we'd look favourites then fall apart at the end of the season. Back then, it was deficiencies in key departments (we had to wait until the triumph rate of Hardie, McKewan and Gooch hit consistent form) as well as a collective naivety (I.e. No one in the team had actually won any trophies until Denness came along). There's clearly comparisons with the first point nowadays (won't repeat here) but not with the second - which is very frustrating. However, looking at the ages of our trophy winning senior pros, that is a problem.

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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2016, 03:27:25 PM »
I'm glad to see we have devoted so much time, money and effort to prioritise this 20;20 malarkey. I mean we 're obviously really good at it, so good that we can afford to give Bopara and Ryder a rest from a vital championship match ( sorry they were, of course, ill and /or injured immediately before) which, as we all know is, top of our agenda.

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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2016, 04:15:02 PM »
I'm glad to see we have devoted so much time, money and effort to prioritise this 20;20 malarkey. I mean we 're obviously really good at it, so good that we can afford to give Bopara and Ryder a rest from a vital championship match ( sorry they were, of course, ill and /or injured immediately before) which, as we all know is, top of our agenda.

Ryder has not been properly fit all season and is averaging 26 with the bat anyway.  If you want to play Zaidi in the team then he wouldn't make the team on merit.  He hasn't played a CC game since the 22nd of June and has missed T20 games injured as well.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's played his last CC game for us and if we lose next week at Warwickshire I think there's a good chance he'll go back to New Zealand early.  He doesn't look fit for 4 day cricket at the moment.
As for Bopara I would be surprised if he was rested simply because the likes of Napier and Masters would be much more likely to have been rested than him.  The fact is he was in the squad and was basically replaced by Tom Moore who was in the middle of second team match when the game started. 

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Re: Notts q/f
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2016, 05:20:19 PM »
I'm glad to see we have devoted so much time, money and effort to prioritise this 20;20 malarkey. I mean we 're obviously really good at it, so good that we can afford to give Bopara and Ryder a rest from a vital championship match ( sorry they were, of course, ill and /or injured immediately before) which, as we all know is, top of our agenda.

Well we are top of the table so we must be doing something right.

Even if it was Chef filling his boots at the start of the season.