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Title: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 07, 2021, 06:41:59 PM
https://live.nvplay.com/ecb/#mf315632c-2b8d-4130-bf38-c969ec93df19

Depressing to say but it looks like the team we have picked for the 2nd XI match against Hampshire is probably going to be the one that is going to start the season.  It really does look incredibly weak.  Lawrence will almost certainly play in the majority of the matches but it's hard to see who else would realistically improve the team being picked.  Both the batting and bowling are poor.  If Chopra isn't going to be in the team, and he's started in the team in both the last two seasons before being dropped, then why is he contracted?  Just for 50 over matches?

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 07, 2021, 07:56:26 PM
The Chopra situation is a puzzler. Lots of runs in the 2XI and then disappears. Also I see Porter is playing this evening which must mean he wasn't injured for the Notts game.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 07, 2021, 08:06:05 PM
The Chopra situation is a puzzler. Lots of runs in the 2XI and then disappears. Also I see Porter is playing this evening which must mean he wasn't injured for the Notts game.

Chopra played this afternoon.  It was a double header.  The first game was very much a second XI with Porter and Neesham playing as well.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on June 07, 2021, 10:00:34 PM
The Chopra situation is a puzzler. Lots of runs in the 2XI and then disappears. Also I see Porter is playing this evening which must mean he wasn't injured for the Notts game.

Is he doing something else? I.e. studying part time like certain cricketers have been at our place.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 08, 2021, 07:54:40 AM
Chopra amassed 5 runs.
Meanwhile the next cab of the rank Will Buttleman  hit 102 not out in 64 balls, and then made 2 stumpings and took a catch.
He is a better prospect than Pepper behind the stumps, and worth a go, as the present encumbant has been sloppy.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 08, 2021, 09:00:25 AM
The Chopra situation is a puzzler. Lots of runs in the 2XI and then disappears. Also I see Porter is playing this evening which must mean he wasn't injured for the Notts game.

Is he doing something else? I.e. studying part time like certain cricketers have been at our place.

Probably frantically going through his social media posts.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: oldhasbeen on June 08, 2021, 11:09:26 AM
Chopra amassed 5 runs.
Meanwhile the next cab of the rank Will Buttleman  hit 102 not out in 64 balls, and then made 2 stumpings and took a catch.
He is a better prospect than Pepper behind the stumps, and worth a go, as the present encumbant has been sloppy.
If, as seems likely, we don't finish in the top 2, it's definitely time to give Buttleman a chance, with Pepper still playing as a batsman. Maybe over a few games also give guys like Beard, Alison & Nijjar a chance at number 7 or 8, they all look better than tail-enders. Give Brown, TDD & Wheater a rest, at least for some games, and let Walter open.
Hopefully an injection of younger blood will improve our fielding. It needs it.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: LeedsExile on June 08, 2021, 12:59:35 PM
I have read that we have dropped an awful lot of catches this season. Does anyone know who the main culprits have been please?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 08, 2021, 02:25:22 PM
Cook, Browne, Westley, Lawrence, Walter, Tendo, Wheater- I think it's been fairly consistent throughout the team, but that's just from memory. Quite a few in the slips of course.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: honkytonk on June 08, 2021, 02:59:03 PM
Chopra amassed 5 runs.
Meanwhile the next cab of the rank Will Buttleman  hit 102 not out in 64 balls, and then made 2 stumpings and took a catch.
He is a better prospect than Pepper behind the stumps, and worth a go, as the present encumbant has been sloppy.
If, as seems likely, we don't finish in the top 2, it's definitely time to give Buttleman a chance, with Pepper still playing as a batsman. Maybe over a few games also give guys like Beard, Alison & Nijjar a chance at number 7 or 8, they all look better than tail-enders. Give Brown, TDD & Wheater a rest, at least for some games, and let Walter open.
Hopefully an injection of younger blood will improve our fielding. It needs it.

Browne should be no where near the T20 team anyway!!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on June 08, 2021, 03:21:28 PM
Allison is a terrible batsman and bowler and should be nowhere near the team.  Paul Walter on the other hand is a wonderful bat.  All hail the hypnotoad.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: honkytonk on June 09, 2021, 10:32:45 AM
Id go

Chopra
Walter
Westley
Pepper
Wheater
RTD
Neesham
Nijjar
Harmer
Cook
Snater

We are going to get smashed!!!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 09, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Id go

Chopra
Walter
Westley
Pepper
Wheater
RTD
Neesham
Nijjar
Harmer
Cook
Snater

We are going to get smashed!!!!

Maybe, just MAYBE, as we have no real hopes or expectations of anything other than dreadful failure in this competition, they MIGHT just surprise us!! (well, I did say, MIGHT!!!)
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 09, 2021, 01:18:07 PM
With Neesham the team does have a better balance. I seem to remember Harmer batting at 7 in some games last year.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 09, 2021, 01:28:05 PM
With Neesham the team does have a better balance. I seem to remember Harmer batting at 7 in some games last year.

I think itís quite likely he bats at 7 again.  They played a warm up game with the first team players involved  on Monday and he batted at 7 in that.  I donít think Chopra is likely to play tonight.  Itís a real pity that Walter doesnít seem to be able to bowl properly anymore.  It would certainly help the balance of the team.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 09, 2021, 01:30:57 PM
Id go

Chopra
Walter
Westley
Pepper
Wheater
RTD
Neesham
Nijjar
Harmer
Cook
Snater

We are going to get smashed!!!!

Maybe, just MAYBE, as we have no real hopes or expectations of anything other than dreadful failure in this competition, they MIGHT just surprise us!! (well, I did say, MIGHT!!!)

I think the best, possibly only chance, we have of doing anything is to prepare some turners at Chelmsford like the pitch we won Finals day on at Edgbaston.  Use Harmer, Nijjar and Lawrence, when heís back.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 09, 2021, 05:19:37 PM
With Neesham the team does have a better balance. I seem to remember Harmer batting at 7 in some games last year.

I think itís quite likely he bats at 7 again.  They played a warm up game with the first team players involved  on Monday and he batted at 7 in that.  I donít think Chopra is likely to play tonight.  Itís a real pity that Walter doesnít seem to be able to bowl properly anymore.  It would certainly help the balance of the team.

Good call. I think it's one seamer too many, but we'll see. Essex won the toss and will field.

Westley, Wheater, Pepper, Walter, ten Doeschate, Neesham, Harmer (c), Plom, Nijjar, Cook, Porter
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 09, 2021, 06:49:32 PM
What on EARTH was that Iíve just witnessed?!!!!.....Cook bowls THREE overs (3-14) and Porter three also (1-19) and then Harmer picks Neesham three overs (0-39) and Plom three overs (2-51!) to bowl the last two overs!
Have we already given up on the T20 halfway through the first match?!!
Can ANYONE explain why you play our best two bowlers (who will bat at 10 and 11) both bowl really well and economically and then you donít given them their full four overs?!!
Iím stumped!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 09, 2021, 07:02:31 PM
What on EARTH was that Iíve just witnessed?!!!!.....Cook bowls THREE overs (3-14) and Porter three also (1-19) and then Harmer picks Neesham three overs (0-39) and Plom three overs (2-51!) to bowl the last two overs!
Have we already given up on the T20 halfway through the first match?!!
Can ANYONE explain why you play our best two bowlers (who will bat at 10 and 11) both bowl really well and economically and then you donít given them their full four overs?!!
Iím stumped!
Looks odd.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 09, 2021, 07:04:48 PM
Any sighting of Kaneria in the area?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 09, 2021, 08:16:47 PM
Well, despite the mysterious!!!!  (being kind!!!!) bowling decisions from Harmer, Walter and especially Neesham, batted brilliantly and more importantly, coolly, to pull off a great and unexpected victory.
Well done to the team, a LOT more is going to be required from Neeshamís batting though, I think, in the next few matches!
Great start.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 09, 2021, 08:19:06 PM
Take out that Plom over and we bossed that.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 09, 2021, 08:23:23 PM
Wow what a win. Didn't see that coming. Well done lads. Have a beer on me on the trip home.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 09, 2021, 08:23:59 PM
I don't think Walter batted brilliantly to be honest. The moment he comes under any sort of pressure he gets out.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 09, 2021, 08:31:00 PM
Interesting to see who Lawrence comes in for next week.  They may put him in for one of the seamers, Plom most likely, which would give us a better balanced side as he often bowls a few overs in T20.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 09, 2021, 08:34:04 PM
Interesting to see who Lawrence comes in for next week.  They may put him in for one of the seamers, Plom most likely, which would give us a better balanced side as he often bowls a few overs in T20.

Meanwhile Chopra should come in for Plom. But he won't.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on June 09, 2021, 09:32:14 PM
Not sure whether we should rename Harmer Captain Baldrick...albeit this 'cunning plan' worked.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 09, 2021, 10:11:25 PM
Not sure whether we should rename Harmer Captain Baldrick...albeit this 'cunning plan' worked.

LOL....would still love to know EXACTLY what his ďcunning planĒ was as it appeared to be even more bonkers than ANY that Baldrick ever came up with!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 10, 2021, 04:06:37 PM
 Bet many would not have given the Eagles a prayer chasing 185. So credit where it is due. Brilliant knock by new overseas player Neesham, ball placement was exceptional, but should have finished the job off.
 Must be a great confidence booster for the team, just need it continue at the Ballotdome
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 10, 2021, 05:33:51 PM
Is it 600 admitted for the first home game? I haven't been to a T20 at Chelmsford for some years so decided not to apply to let others who attend the format more of a chance to go. If unlocking is delayed I imagine it will be quite a blow to club finances.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 10, 2021, 06:43:53 PM
If only 600 then it might be almost civilised.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 11, 2021, 09:12:17 AM
 Hats off to the 600 members, ( has need to take your temperature). Please form a orderly queue outside the Ballotdome from mid afternoon for a quick Blast of OD cricket.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: pablo on June 11, 2021, 02:31:20 PM
What has changed so that 600 can attend any 20: 20 game and yet the four day stuff only allows 200;600;200;0 on the four days. I am still interested to know how the safety authorities decree this nonsense ( if indeed we can point the finger at them!)
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on June 11, 2021, 03:40:59 PM
I wouldn't bother pointing fingers...
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on June 11, 2021, 04:24:22 PM
What has changed so that 600 can attend any 20: 20 game and yet the four day stuff only allows 200;600;200;0 on the four days. I am still interested to know how the safety authorities decree this nonsense ( if indeed we can point the finger at them!)

Have you listened to the recent Members Forum? I think the last red ball game was 600, 200 [no play], 200, 0
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 11, 2021, 04:57:00 PM
Of course members have to PAY additional money  to attend T/20,  while championship games are already paid for, so no additional cash for the club.
Hence 600 when they can charge but 200 when the club have no monetry incentive to have more in.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: pablo on June 11, 2021, 05:06:36 PM
I hadn't but there still seems a major discrepancy between the alleged safety rules applying to 20;20's and 4 day cricket for absolutely no sound safety reason. I have already decided along with others that if, for no other reason than the club is saving money by limiting attendance at other formats than 20;20, I will take the club to a small claims court to reclaim two years membership and i urge others who feel the same to join us should this prove necessary. I have spoken to numerous health and safety experts who have said the club's position on this matter is, at best, one of being mislead and at worst, deliberately disingenuous, and although Essex has been in my DNA for 50 years I am deeply upset at being taken for a ride. Hopefully, as at Surrey supposedly, the threat of legal action will concentrate a few minds.

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 11, 2021, 05:08:52 PM
go for it Pablo.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 11, 2021, 05:54:17 PM
Essex won the toss and will field against Hampshire. Buttleman in for Wheater and will open (and keep).
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 11, 2021, 05:55:46 PM
I will await the result of a court case with interest. If successful a precedent will have been sent. As for this affecting future membership I will be as worried as if I was threatened with being excommunicated.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 11, 2021, 06:06:05 PM
Is there a live stream tonight?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 11, 2021, 06:29:36 PM
Definitely on YouTube, but it's a different commentary to BBC Essex.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 11, 2021, 06:30:24 PM
Is there a live stream tonight?

Thereís one on YouTube but itís a horrible camera angle and doesnít have the usual BBC Essex commentators on it for some reason either! Does have Goochie though, so thatís a bonus rather than Topley!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 11, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
RTD has developed the yips against (leg) spinners. 3 off 12 balls, mainly against Crane.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: kingstonj1 on June 11, 2021, 08:39:13 PM
Not quite sure how we have cocked this one up! but 2 batsmen light in that team in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 11, 2021, 08:47:09 PM
Not quite sure how we have cocked this one up! but 2 batsmen light in that team in my opinion.

Tendo lost us the game. Well in control until he faffed about.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 11, 2021, 08:51:54 PM
Well that was simply dreadful!!....That batting line up with Harmer coming in a 7 and two kids and a completely (and very sadly) out of touch pensioner in before him, MUST be the weakest one Essex have ever put out in the T20!
Basically it looks like if Neesham doesnít come off, we will lose virtually every match.
Chopra MUST open next match and one of the seamers dropped but still canít see that making diddly squat difference  to the above.

P.S. once again the difference in the fielding between the two sides was marked as well.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 11, 2021, 09:15:59 PM
Normal service resumed tonight.

Surely Neesham should be batting higher say at four where he can influence the game, build an innings, put Essex on the front step  instead of coming in to retrieve a lost cause.

Having watched Surrey last night, I dread to think what embarrassments will befall the team.

Very very depressing and so so predictable.

We appear to be a band of archers without any arrows.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: stewyww on June 12, 2021, 06:55:59 AM
I hadn't but there still seems a major discrepancy between the alleged safety rules applying to 20;20's and 4 day cricket for absolutely no sound safety reason. I have already decided along with others that if, for no other reason than the club is saving money by limiting attendance at other formats than 20;20, I will take the club to a small claims court to reclaim two years membership and i urge others who feel the same to join us should this prove necessary. I have spoken to numerous health and safety experts who have said the club's position on this matter is, at best, one of being mislead and at worst, deliberately disingenuous, and although Essex has been in my DNA for 50 years I am deeply upset at being taken for a ride. Hopefully, as at Surrey supposedly, the threat of legal action will concentrate a few minds.
Good for you Pablo. If you are looking for evidence to support your claim, I have an email from the club which confirms that the decision to limit crowds to 200 rather than 600 was a purely financial one.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 12, 2021, 08:11:02 AM
 After great win in the first game, Eagles undid all good work in the second game. Visitors ground fielding won the game, with the Eagles running themselves out of town. Just needed top order bat to anchor the innings. If the middle and lower order thought they would finish the game like the previous, well it did not happen and a lesson learnt in not getting over the line .
 Streaming coverage was pretty average, whoever decided to put the camera in line with non striking bat, replay shown without notifications, so at times was unsure with what and was not live. The chairman stated on recent forum that the coverage would be the envy of many, but like the batting display lost its way.
 
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 12, 2021, 08:31:15 AM
After great win in the first game, Eagles undid all good work in the second game. Visitors ground fielding won the game, with the Eagles running themselves out of town. Just needed top order bat to anchor the innings. If the middle and lower order thought they would finish the game like the previous, well it did not happen and a lesson learnt in not getting over the line .
 Streaming coverage was pretty average, whoever decided to put the camera in line with non striking bat, replay shown without notifications, so at times was unsure with what and was not live. The chairman stated on recent forum that the coverage would be the envy of many, but like the batting display lost its way.

As I said last night the camera angle was truly awful but at least we had Goochie as a commentator and I always find him far more informed, switched on and most importantly actually interested in the match itself, than a lot of other ex players who are ďattemptingĒ to be commentators (not mentioning any names, of course!!)
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 12, 2021, 11:08:57 AM
I will be interested in any success in obtaining a refund for 2020. I have not paid for 2021, knowing what would happen.

For the future and it is difficult to see from a distance and the coverage was not the best. I did not see many if any familar faces in the 600. I suspect that the club are going to get a bit of a shock next season, especially in the higher paying categories.

With talk of a 4 week delay that will start to blow out the One Day Cup as well. All that will be left is two One Day Cup games and two irrevelant Championship games. I would not be suprised that some players who are not renewing their contacts will clear out their lockers and say do not worry about the rest of the money.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 12, 2021, 11:36:45 AM
I will be interested in any success in obtaining a refund for 2020. I have not paid for 2021, knowing what would happen.

For the future and it is difficult to see from a distance and the coverage was not the best. I did not see many if any familar faces in the 600. I suspect that the club are going to get a bit of a shock next season, especially in the higher paying categories.

With talk of a 4 week delay that will start to blow out the One Day Cup as well. All that will be left is two One Day Cup games and two irrevelant Championship games. I would not be suprised that some players who are not renewing their contacts will clear out their lockers and say do not worry about the rest of the money.

The first home One Day Cup match is not until 25th of July so a 4 week delay wouldn't affect that.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Can the Can on June 12, 2021, 01:42:47 PM
Wouldn't worry to much about live stream camera angles, the curse of the main scoreboard returned with a vengeance last night.

Often behind play and following Harmer's dismissal I can only assume the person controlling it was both on work experience AND about six pints in. Embarrassing really, we seem to be the only county that suffers this issue regularly.

Scoreboard had been a lot better in 2019 to be fair but this was a return to the bad old new scoreboard days.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 12, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
Chopra seems to have disappeared again.  Khushi is in the squad and not him.  Not sure what has gone on there.  With the pathetic performance of England today, hopefully we see Lawrence on Tuesday and hopefully in for one of the bowlers to lengthen our batting order.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 12, 2021, 05:44:18 PM
Chopra seems to have disappeared again.  Khushi is in the squad and not him.  Not sure what has gone on there.  With the pathetic performance of England today, hopefully we see Lawrence on Tuesday and hopefully in for one of the bowlers to lengthen our batting order.
It seems Lord Lucan has got more chance of appearing in the team than Varun Chopra.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 12, 2021, 11:31:59 PM
To put our performance against Hampshire in perspective, just watched them thrashed by nine wickets by Sussex, with a certain Ravi Bopara scoring an undefeated fifty.

He looked very content and happy.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 13, 2021, 01:16:43 PM
Glamorgan won the toss and put Essex in to bat.

Khushi comes in for Ten Doeschate who is injured (or maybe just embarrassed from running out Westley).

Buttleman, Westley, Pepper, Walter, Khushi, Neesham, Harmer, Nijjar, Plom, Cook, Porter

They can't be accused of not giving youth a chance.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 13, 2021, 01:54:36 PM
To put our performance against Hampshire in perspective, just watched them thrashed by nine wickets by Sussex, with a certain Ravi Bopara scoring an undefeated fifty.

He looked very content and happy.

Happier than his previous match where he got a first ball duck and wasn't asked to bowl!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 13, 2021, 04:14:20 PM
Defeat by 7 wickets with about 2 overs to spare. Not really unexpected given the inexperience of the team and I thought Buttleman, Pepper and Khushi did ok. If Westley or Neesham don't get runs then Essex are always going to struggle. Lawrence in for Khushi will improve things, but I don't see this team getting to finals day.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 13, 2021, 04:18:34 PM
EMBARRASSINGLY RUBBISH!!! ('nuff said)
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 13, 2021, 04:24:17 PM
Defeat by 7 wickets with about 2 overs to spare. Not really unexpected given the inexperience of the team and I thought Buttleman, Pepper and Khushi did ok. If Westley or Neesham don't get runs then Essex are always going to struggle. Lawrence in for Khushi will improve things, but I don't see this team getting to finals day.
Forget finals day, we'll do well not to finish rock bottom of the group.

I came across this preview of the Blast and Essex from this random fan and had to share. I couldn't believe how accurately he nailed all our problems. Everything he predicted has come true as well. It's also amusing how his stats and data show that we were the worst side in years to ever make it to the knockouts in 2019. Of course the three people that dragged us through singlehandedly (Amir, Bopara, Zampa) are all no longer here so it's no surprise how much of a joke we are now.

https://harryl14.medium.com/t20-blast-preview-south-group-44f5032b7779
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 13, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
Defeat by 7 wickets with about 2 overs to spare. Not really unexpected given the inexperience of the team and I thought Buttleman, Pepper and Khushi did ok. If Westley or Neesham don't get runs then Essex are always going to struggle. Lawrence in for Khushi will improve things, but I don't see this team getting to finals day.
Forget finals day, we'll do well not to finish rock bottom of the group.

I came across this preview of the Blast and Essex from this random fan and had to share. I couldn't believe how accurately he nailed all our problems. Everything he predicted has come true as well. It's also amusing how his stats and data show that we were the worst side in years to ever make it to the knockouts in 2019. Of course the three people that dragged us through singlehandedly (Amir, Bopara, Zampa) are all no longer here so it's no surprise how much of a joke we are now.

https://harryl14.medium.com/t20-blast-preview-south-group-44f5032b7779


 Does not require a spreadsheet to work that out !
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexspur on June 13, 2021, 06:06:50 PM
The team is all wrong and is a complete mystery. Chopra is contracted so why isnít he playing especially as he is explosive at the top of the order? We are going into every game one batsmen short with 7 bowlers doing bits and pieces and still Westley and Tendo if required. Harmer is not helping by making strange bowling decisions with Cook not finishing his spell; Neesham only bowling 1 etc. I love Jamie Porter but he is not a great one day bowling and cannot hit the ball off the square. Even a number 11 needs to be able to bat in T20 or at least swing the bat. Why not go with Chopra, Wheater, Westley, Walter, Neesham, Tendo, Pepper, Harper, Nijjar, Plom, Cook. We havenít got an Amir so need to go with clever bowlers. Quinn should come into contention as well. Once Lawrence is back he could come in for Nijjar and suddenly the batting looks decent. Right now I canít see us getting out of the group sadly although with Chopra playing we may well have won all 3.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 13, 2021, 06:49:27 PM
I love the way that by not playing,  Chopra has become a match winning T20  batsman.
His performances in recent years have been mediocre at best, and comparing Essex stats, Sir Alistair has a higher T20 batting average and higher strike rate , than Chopra.

We need reliable batting but is Chopra really the answer?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 13, 2021, 06:54:28 PM
 Attendance for Sussex and Gloucestershire games now increased to 800.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 14, 2021, 07:07:40 AM
If away fans are not attending will 800 wish to watch this poop live?

In the past, when a season was not going well. It was noticeable how empty the Colchester festival which we were told was the home of Essex til I die was.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: stewyww on June 14, 2021, 07:15:47 AM
Attendance for Sussex and Gloucestershire games now increased to 800.
Oh what a surprise. Don't tell me, back to 200 for the remaining 2 championship games?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Can the Can on June 14, 2021, 09:23:55 AM
I would estimate around 300 maximum attended the first home game.

Tuesday evening might see a slight increase on that as the tickets are available to ALL members online from 1pm today; Friday evening England play Scotland in the Euros which will not assist ticket sales at all, maybe 500 to 600 maximum?

Also why do Harmer and Chopra not get along?
That surely has to be the only reason Chopra is not opening.

 
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: honkytonk on June 14, 2021, 10:56:29 AM
I love the way that by not playing,  Chopra has become a match winning T20  batsman.
His performances in recent years have been mediocre at best, and comparing Essex stats, Sir Alistair has a higher T20 batting average and higher strike rate , than Chopra.

We need reliable batting but is Chopra really the answer?

Agree.  Others being rubbish does not make him a world beater!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 14, 2021, 12:00:46 PM
I would estimate around 300 maximum attended the first home game.

Tuesday evening might see a slight increase on that as the tickets are available to ALL members online from 1pm today; Friday evening England play Scotland in the Euros which will not assist ticket sales at all, maybe 500 to 600 maximum?

Also why do Harmer and Chopra not get along?
That surely has to be the only reason Chopra is not opening.
I suspect SH has strong views on certain things. As does VC.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: mawallace on June 14, 2021, 01:43:10 PM
I would estimate around 300 maximum attended the first home game.

Tuesday evening might see a slight increase on that as the tickets are available to ALL members online from 1pm today; Friday evening England play Scotland in the Euros which will not assist ticket sales at all, maybe 500 to 600 maximum?



I would love to know why I, as a member, had to read about this on the forum rather than being told by the club!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 14, 2021, 01:48:29 PM
To be fair I received an e mail about the increased capacity yesterday, saw it on twitter and it is on the website. I decided to give tomorrow a whirl. I'm officially retired tomorrow so thought, in the words of Jeff Thomson, Buģger it, let's give it a go!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on June 14, 2021, 02:47:55 PM
I would estimate around 300 maximum attended the first home game.

Tuesday evening might see a slight increase on that as the tickets are available to ALL members online from 1pm today; Friday evening England play Scotland in the Euros which will not assist ticket sales at all, maybe 500 to 600 maximum?



I would love to know why I, as a member, had to read about this on the forum rather than being told by the club!

I got an e-mail and it was also on the website :)
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 14, 2021, 03:37:13 PM
I would estimate around 300 maximum attended the first home game.

Tuesday evening might see a slight increase on that as the tickets are available to ALL members online from 1pm today; Friday evening England play Scotland in the Euros which will not assist ticket sales at all, maybe 500 to 600 maximum?



I would love to know why I, as a member, had to read about this on the forum rather than being told by the club!

I got an e-mail and it was also on the website :)

I missed it until today.  It was part of the Glamorgan match pack, which I usually ignore.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: mawallace on June 14, 2021, 04:02:42 PM


I missed it until today.  It was part of the Glamorgan match pack, which I usually ignore.

Found it - like you it was at the bottom of the match pack - I usually ignore them too!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 14, 2021, 09:46:31 PM
Geoff Boycott has today written a typically forthright scathing but oh so true indictment of Englandís young batsmen, Lawrence included, and more importantly criticising heavily the quality of coachingl

It is a compelling read, one which every budding County batsman should read. Fellow contributors to this board will agree will everything he states.

Whatever we think of Boycott he could bat a bit and knows his cricket inside out.

As he now has  retired from commentating, he has offered his services to every County Club, tongue in cheek not sure, but I am sure his advice would improve batsmanship significantly.

I bet he gets no takers. Sad or what.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 15, 2021, 09:29:46 AM
Looks like the same squad for tonight's game, so no Chopra again and Wheater still out. I'd guess RTD will come in for Khushi, but there has to be a case for playing both of them and leaving out a seamer.

All of which is probably shuffling deck chairs this season.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 15, 2021, 09:38:48 AM
Looks like the same squad for tonight's game, so no Chopra again and Wheater still out. I'd guess RTD will come in for Khushi, but there has to be a case for playing both of them and leaving out a seamer.

All of which is probably shuffling deck chairs this season.

No idea why Lawrence can't play.  In the last two days he has done 10 overs fielding.  There's no more Test matches for ages.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Can the Can on June 15, 2021, 09:44:05 AM
Chopra didn't play in the second 11 T20 game yesterday or the one before that. His last second 11 T20 game was on the 8th June. The fact that he's not even featuring for the seconds makes me think he might be injured, either that or he's persona non grata.

I don't think many people would claim Chopra to be the solution to all our T20 ills but members do at least deserve to be informed as to why he's not playing at all at the moment.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 15, 2021, 11:13:39 AM
If VC was injured I'd have expected the club to say so. The fact that they have not suggests something else is going on.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 15, 2021, 11:37:11 AM
At one time you would know who was a non person and not just injured or ill. When they were spotted undertaking the duties of crawling to the Corporate guests at Colchester. In September if the parking place sign at Chelmsford with the players name on it had disappeared that was also a giveaway.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 15, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Looks like the same squad for tonight's game, so no Chopra again and Wheater still out. I'd guess RTD will come in for Khushi, but there has to be a case for playing both of them and leaving out a seamer.

All of which is probably shuffling deck chairs this season.

No idea why Lawrence can't play.  In the last two days he has done 10 overs fielding.  There's no more Test matches for ages.

Bracey played for Gloucestershire 2nds today, Crawley is in the Kent squad for tonight and Lawrence not playing for Essex.  Why?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: kingstonj1 on June 15, 2021, 03:57:53 PM
Have to assume personal choice?

Also doesn't seem to be any domestic T20 on sky tonight oddly.

As an aside been told the club haven't managed to sell out tonight and now on general sale?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 15, 2021, 04:13:32 PM
As I am now a non member at present I received an e mail advising that tickets for tonight are on general sale.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 15, 2021, 04:15:11 PM
 Club selling tickets live on website for tonightís match.
 So does that mean the extra 200 did not go to ballot or have they not selling extra on ballot due to not enough applicants ?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 15, 2021, 04:45:48 PM
The process was offer the 200 firstly to members who had included this fixture in their ballot application, then to all members yesterday and to the public today. Given the forecast and England v Scotland I didn't bother with Friday. Now sat in the park waiting to go into my first T20 at Chelmsford in over a decade!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 15, 2021, 05:45:43 PM
We cant score runs so once again we choose FIVE specialist bowlers + allrounder Neesham plus Tendo and Walter (who were both bowlers when they started and have been regularly used in previous T20 campaigns) + Westley (who was a main one day spinner 2 or 3 years ago!!) Does this club never learn?!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 15, 2021, 07:33:53 PM
Watching Essex currently is not so much a question of whether they will win, as to the margin of defeat.

Once again tonight our batsman unable to dominate, admittedly a strong bowling side, strong side full stop, but the rate of scoring is never going to trouble our opponents.

As other board members have commented where was Lawrence tonight?

Is he injured if so the least the Club can do is tell us? There seems to be a worrying pattern of non transparency. Surely supporters should me made aware of selection issues caused by injuries.

If there are personality clashes, at the expense of team unity and morale, we can kiss goodby to any meaningful success in any format, for some time, based on our current performances.

Judging tonightís performance Essex should be knocking hard on Boycottís door, pleading with him to sort out what laughably are referred to as batsmen. Insult to the term.

I canít even bring myself to keep checking the score. Too depressing.

I know how resilient we have been, but that seems a quality unrecognisable in this side.

If we somehow win this game, it will have been through superlative performances from our bowlers and a case of supreme over confidence by Sussex.



Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 15, 2021, 09:03:45 PM
We cant score runs so once again we choose FIVE specialist bowlers + allrounder Neesham plus Tendo and Walter (who were both bowlers when they started and have been regularly used in previous T20 campaigns) + Westley (who was a main one day spinner 2 or 3 years ago!!) Does this club never learn?!!

I genuinely canít understand how Harmer can think heís good enough to bat at number 7  behind such a poor batting side.  I presume he has a big impact on picking the team as it seemed to be him that dropped Chopra and demoted Ravi when he took over.  2019 was a glorious fluke but it seems to have persuaded the Essex management team that last year was a blip.  We havenít had an even half decent t20 side since Grayson left.  Weíve won 3 home matches since the start of 2018.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 15, 2021, 09:06:05 PM
Well, if the Glamorgan "effort" was "embarrassingly rubbish" then I don't even know where to begin to describe THAT tonight!

The best way I can think to describe it is to think back 20 years to the Nat West trophy first round when a minor counties side would play a first class county and remember the gulf in class between the two sides!

I think we all knew that we would be poor in this T20 competition, but I don't think many thought we would be so utterly and completely atrocious, arguably the worst T20 side ever that Essex have had.

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 15, 2021, 09:16:36 PM
...

I think we all knew that we would be poor in this T20 competition, but I don't think many thought we would be so utterly and completely atrocious, arguably the worst T20 side ever that Essex have had.

I did.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 15, 2021, 09:23:33 PM
...

I think we all knew that we would be poor in this T20 competition, but I don't think many thought we would be so utterly and completely atrocious, arguably the worst T20 side ever that Essex have had.

I did.

I never thought we would be quite THIS abysmal!!....its embarrassing. Luckily SKY haven't shown us yet!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: golden duck on June 15, 2021, 10:00:14 PM
Sussex were very good.

We were awful but I think we should stick with youngsters like Plom and Buttleman to build for the future. Biggest disappointment for me was the lack of team spirit...so quiet out there.

First time back for me, it was ok but all a bit soulless. Turn up, watch the game, go home. I'll go again but it is neither a T20 experience or an ECCC experience, didn't really feel like the club was open for business at all.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 16, 2021, 04:43:58 AM
Sussex were very good.

We were awful but I think we should stick with youngsters like Plom and Buttleman to build for the future. Biggest disappointment for me was the lack of team spirit...so quiet out there.

First time back for me, it was ok but all a bit soulless. Turn up, watch the game, go home. I'll go again but it is neither a T20 experience or an ECCC experience, didn't really feel like the club was open for business at all.
Very sad.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 16, 2021, 05:57:21 AM
On the on line commentary, Nick Browne trying to be optimistic was saying if Sussex lose a couple of wickets it will be like taking bricks out of wall. It reminded me of the very early BBC Essex coverage which started rather late on Sundays. Peter Edwards was the summariser and as Essex were heading towards another defeat he was scanning his extensive memory bank to find a similar situation where Essex had pulled it off.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 16, 2021, 09:09:42 AM
Sussex are very good and are clearly geared up for T20 cricket.  I suspected a battering beforehand and was proven right. I haven't been to a T20 at Chelmsford for a while. Topley was playing for us then and Wheater hadn't left for Hants and my 19 year old was still at primary school. There wasn't any real atmosphere, in fact I was sitting near a Sussex fan who made more noise than anyone else. That contrasted sharply with my previous visit, when I decided Saturday tea time at Chelmsford wasn't great for my son.I thought £19 for a member's ticket was a bit steep too but fancied the evening out. So I'm glad I went but doubt I shall repeat it. I  wonder how many fans with tickets for games that will now be socially distanced are hoping for refunds?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Mog on June 16, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
Watching Essex currently is not so much a question of whether they will win, as to the margin of defeat.

Once again tonight our batsman unable to dominate, admittedly a strong bowling side, strong side full stop, but the rate of scoring is never going to trouble our opponents.

As other board members have commented where was Lawrence tonight?

Is he injured if so the least the Club can do is tell us? There seems to be a worrying pattern of non transparency. Surely supporters should me made aware of selection issues caused by injuries.

If there are personality clashes, at the expense of team unity and morale, we can kiss goodby to any meaningful success in any format, for some time, based on our current performances.

Judging tonightís performance Essex should be knocking hard on Boycottís door, pleading with him to sort out what laughably are referred to as batsmen. Insult to the term.

I canít even bring myself to keep checking the score. Too depressing.

I know how resilient we have been, but that seems a quality unrecognisable in this side.

If we somehow win this game, it will have been through superlative performances from our bowlers and a case of supreme over confidence by Sussex.

Reading this, it could have been written in the early days of T20 - Twenty-20 (circa 2003-4) as it was themed.
Where under the clueless Irani, Essex made the same mistakes endlessly, tactically and selection wise, not least of which was Irani picking his mates to play, in spite of better, younger...and much fitter players being left out to accommodate them. I'm sure those of you who can recall such classics as a nine wicket defeat at home to Sussex, where the Sharks knocked off No Change Essex's meagre score in about 11 overs.....or a particularly savage thrashing against Middx. at Southgate.

As for the Club's 'communication' policy and accompanying utter disregard for members, with an arrogance that makes them believe that they need explain nothing that doesn't suit their agenda.....that's been around even longer!



Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 16, 2021, 10:09:48 AM
I attended the 9 wicket defeat to Sussex when it was free to members. I had to stand at the back of the Tom Pearce stand, not that it was an issue for a T20 game. Next to me was a drunk Australian who was a Sussex fan. During the Sussex innings he was telling me when Murray Goodwin gets in he is world class and similar. With the 9 wicket defeat I never got to see if he was right.

Again I did not recognise anyone in the crowd. One area had less than 10 people in a large number of seats.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 16, 2021, 10:30:47 AM
With respect to those attending I suspect that members who don't normally attend T20 put in for these games in the ballot just to get some cricket in. I didn't do that myself as I'm not a great fan of the format but did take up a surplus ticket on Monday when the extra 200 were released. Having just retired a midweek floodlit game is now doable. I recognised quite a few members who are always present at championship matches last night, so maybe that's what has happened?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: afinetickletoleg on June 16, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
We havenít had an even half decent t20 side since Grayson left.  Weíve won 3 home matches since the start of 2018.

VP will have a cardiac reading that 🤣
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on June 16, 2021, 11:13:09 AM
Sounds like things have returned to normal on and off the pitch. Unfortunately. 

Has Big Ronnie stepped back from the club? Seemingly he had helped kick a few things into gear in 2016. 
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 16, 2021, 11:50:37 AM
Sounds like things have returned to normal on and off the pitch. Unfortunately. 

Has Big Ronnie stepped back from the club? Seemingly he had helped kick a few things into gear in 2016.

I get the feeling that the club has stopped as much spending as much money as possible and are prepared to take the hit on team performance. The chairman (rightly or wrongly) sees it as a fight for survival and wants to ensure the club still exists in the years to come.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 16, 2021, 12:15:20 PM
 The boys still to learn, without scores on doors, you go nowhere quickly.
 Thank God and praise be to the cash cow competition ( 16.4), has extra money flows through the door we could only ever dreamed of, which we are now more ever reliant.
 Ideally the Olympic Stadium would have catered for T20 Eagles cricket, and Chelmsford for all other.
 Alas hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 16, 2021, 12:43:32 PM
It was established that the Olympic stadium is unsuitable for Cricket unless major changes are made.

Baseball has been played at the Olympic stadium. However there were comments that areas were not completely ideal as what would be expected.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: afinetickletoleg on June 16, 2021, 04:25:25 PM
It was established that the Olympic stadium is unsuitable for Cricket unless major changes are made.


Itís unsuitable for football as well but it hasnít stopped West Ham.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 16, 2021, 08:39:11 PM
Well, if the Glamorgan "effort" was "embarrassingly rubbish" then I don't even know where to begin to describe THAT tonight!

The best way I can think to describe it is to think back 20 years to the Nat West trophy first round when a minor counties side would play a first class county and remember the gulf in class between the two sides!

I think we all knew that we would be poor in this T20 competition, but I don't think many thought we would be so utterly and completely atrocious, arguably the worst T20 side ever that Essex have had.
No arguably about it, we absolutely are, not to mention the worst side of all 18 counties. Paul Walter, who would struggle to get into any other team in the country is batting at four, whilst our overseas bats at 6. Tom Westley, arguably the least aggressive player in the team opens the batting. You wouldn't find a club cricketer scared of bowling at Westley in the powerplay. Harmer bats at 7, when you could argue that he shouldn't even be batting at 8. He also takes up a valuable overseas spot, but we're stuck as he's so important to us in red ball that we can't afford to piss him off and risk him going elsewhere. Lawrence isn't going to magically repair anything (I assume he's taken a week off having had pretty much no time off since Christmas)

Worst thing is, I don't see anything from the young kids that suggests they'll become gun limited overs players in the future. Plom may have a little something about him, but only a little something.

Whoever is making the decisions clearly has absolutely no idea on how to set up a T20 side in the modern era. It's certainly no coincidence that none of the players (or coaches for that matter) have been picked recruited by a hundred franchise. At this point, I think we need to consider a specialist T20 coach.

A word on Sussex though, I'm very impressed by them at the moment. A thriving academy producing plenty of top young cricketers far superior to our current crop of kids. Also cracking on with their ground development while we boast about a new gate! Right now, they are doing everything that we should be doing!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 16, 2021, 08:56:14 PM
Yep Alex spot on.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 16, 2021, 09:07:10 PM
Well, if the Glamorgan "effort" was "embarrassingly rubbish" then I don't even know where to begin to describe THAT tonight!

The best way I can think to describe it is to think back 20 years to the Nat West trophy first round when a minor counties side would play a first class county and remember the gulf in class between the two sides!

I think we all knew that we would be poor in this T20 competition, but I don't think many thought we would be so utterly and completely atrocious, arguably the worst T20 side ever that Essex have had.
No arguably about it, we absolutely are, not to mention the worst side of all 18 counties. Paul Walter, who would struggle to get into any other team in the country is batting at four, whilst our overseas bats at 6. Tom Westley, arguably the least aggressive player in the team opens the batting. You wouldn't find a club cricketer scared of bowling at Westley in the powerplay. Harmer bats at 7, when you could argue that he shouldn't even be batting at 8. He also takes up a valuable overseas spot, but we're stuck as he's so important to us in red ball that we can't afford to piss him off and risk him going elsewhere. Lawrence isn't going to magically repair anything (I assume he's taken a week off having had pretty much no time off since Christmas)

Worst thing is, I don't see anything from the young kids that suggests they'll become gun limited overs players in the future. Plom may have a little something about him, but only a little something.

Whoever is making the decisions clearly has absolutely no idea on how to set up a T20 side in the modern era. It's certainly no coincidence that none of the players (or coaches for that matter) have been picked recruited by a hundred franchise. At this point, I think we need to consider a specialist T20 coach.

A word on Sussex though, I'm very impressed by them at the moment. A thriving academy producing plenty of top young cricketers far superior to our current crop of kids. Also cracking on with their ground development while we boast about a new gate! Right now, they are doing everything that we should be doing!

Sussex are a club that have openly admitted that they are putting pretty much all their eggs in the T20 basket as itís where the revenue comes from.  They have a number of players like Bopara, Mills, Wright  and Rashid Khan who are T20 only and wonít come cheap.  They have barely won a match in 4 day cricket over the last 2 or 3 years.  If we were doing this people on here would not be happy!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 16, 2021, 10:22:20 PM
Well, if the Glamorgan "effort" was "embarrassingly rubbish" then I don't even know where to begin to describe THAT tonight!

The best way I can think to describe it is to think back 20 years to the Nat West trophy first round when a minor counties side would play a first class county and remember the gulf in class between the two sides!

I think we all knew that we would be poor in this T20 competition, but I don't think many thought we would be so utterly and completely atrocious, arguably the worst T20 side ever that Essex have had.
No arguably about it, we absolutely are, not to mention the worst side of all 18 counties. Paul Walter, who would struggle to get into any other team in the country is batting at four, whilst our overseas bats at 6. Tom Westley, arguably the least aggressive player in the team opens the batting. You wouldn't find a club cricketer scared of bowling at Westley in the powerplay. Harmer bats at 7, when you could argue that he shouldn't even be batting at 8. He also takes up a valuable overseas spot, but we're stuck as he's so important to us in red ball that we can't afford to piss him off and risk him going elsewhere. Lawrence isn't going to magically repair anything (I assume he's taken a week off having had pretty much no time off since Christmas)

Worst thing is, I don't see anything from the young kids that suggests they'll become gun limited overs players in the future. Plom may have a little something about him, but only a little something.

Whoever is making the decisions clearly has absolutely no idea on how to set up a T20 side in the modern era. It's certainly no coincidence that none of the players (or coaches for that matter) have been picked recruited by a hundred franchise. At this point, I think we need to consider a specialist T20 coach.

A word on Sussex though, I'm very impressed by them at the moment. A thriving academy producing plenty of top young cricketers far superior to our current crop of kids. Also cracking on with their ground development while we boast about a new gate! Right now, they are doing everything that we should be doing!

Sussex are a club that have openly admitted that they are putting pretty much all their eggs in the T20 basket as itís where the revenue comes from.  They have a number of players like Bopara, Mills, Wright  and Rashid Khan who are T20 only and wonít come cheap.  They have barely won a match in 4 day cricket over the last 2 or 3 years. If we were doing this people on here would not be happy!
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Thatís a good point to be fair. Although like you say Sussex DO admit what they are doing, whereas Essex are still pretending that they are very competitive in the T20 stuff and try to make us believe that they are taking it seriously and have high hopes!!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 17, 2021, 07:38:55 AM
Alex, this would be the Sussex set up producing top young kids ( superior to Essex), that just recently got hammered by our second eleven for 477 - 6,  bowled out for 191, and  struggled to 146-3, only to be saved by an early finish due to weather?

I agree that they are better set up for T20, but our kids are as good in longer cricket.
Nijjar is a better T20 bowler than Harmer,  Pepper is making progress, Buttleman, although young, will become a good player, and Allison should not be underestimated.



Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 17, 2021, 09:27:23 AM
I worked with a Sussex member who told me their ground improvements were partly funded by a substantial legacy. As an aside, he was most surprised when I told him Essex members have to buy tickets for T20 matches.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 17, 2021, 09:35:58 AM
Well, if the Glamorgan "effort" was "embarrassingly rubbish" then I don't even know where to begin to describe THAT tonight!

The best way I can think to describe it is to think back 20 years to the Nat West trophy first round when a minor counties side would play a first class county and remember the gulf in class between the two sides!

I think we all knew that we would be poor in this T20 competition, but I don't think many thought we would be so utterly and completely atrocious, arguably the worst T20 side ever that Essex have had.
No arguably about it, we absolutely are, not to mention the worst side of all 18 counties. Paul Walter, who would struggle to get into any other team in the country is batting at four, whilst our overseas bats at 6. Tom Westley, arguably the least aggressive player in the team opens the batting. You wouldn't find a club cricketer scared of bowling at Westley in the powerplay. Harmer bats at 7, when you could argue that he shouldn't even be batting at 8. He also takes up a valuable overseas spot, but we're stuck as he's so important to us in red ball that we can't afford to piss him off and risk him going elsewhere. Lawrence isn't going to magically repair anything (I assume he's taken a week off having had pretty much no time off since Christmas)

Worst thing is, I don't see anything from the young kids that suggests they'll become gun limited overs players in the future. Plom may have a little something about him, but only a little something.

Whoever is making the decisions clearly has absolutely no idea on how to set up a T20 side in the modern era. It's certainly no coincidence that none of the players (or coaches for that matter) have been picked recruited by a hundred franchise. At this point, I think we need to consider a specialist T20 coach.

A word on Sussex though, I'm very impressed by them at the moment. A thriving academy producing plenty of top young cricketers far superior to our current crop of kids. Also cracking on with their ground development while we boast about a new gate! Right now, they are doing everything that we should be doing!

Sussex are a club that have openly admitted that they are putting pretty much all their eggs in the T20 basket as itís where the revenue comes from.  They have a number of players like Bopara, Mills, Wright  and Rashid Khan who are T20 only and wonít come cheap.  They have barely won a match in 4 day cricket over the last 2 or 3 years.  If we were doing this people on here would not be happy!

JP - what ever the club do ,some people are unhappy!  Got to stage have a pop at winning red ball games !!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: LeedsExile on June 17, 2021, 09:44:37 AM
I do not think Sussex should be suggested as something to emulate. They have dispensed with all their experienced red ball players so are abject in that format. They may or may not do ok at 20/20 but that is largely a lottery. Their Chief Executive is Rob Andrew who hardly endeared himself to followers of Rugby Union during his time at Twickenham. Most of the ground improvements at Hove were due to the substantial Spen Camara legacy but that money has now been spent I understand.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Mog on June 17, 2021, 10:02:27 AM
Well, if the Glamorgan "effort" was "embarrassingly rubbish" then I don't even know where to begin to describe THAT tonight!

The best way I can think to describe it is to think back 20 years to the Nat West trophy first round when a minor counties side would play a first class county and remember the gulf in class between the two sides!

I think we all knew that we would be poor in this T20 competition, but I don't think many thought we would be so utterly and completely atrocious, arguably the worst T20 side ever that Essex have had.
No arguably about it, we absolutely are, not to mention the worst side of all 18 counties. Paul Walter, who would struggle to get into any other team in the country is batting at four, whilst our overseas bats at 6. Tom Westley, arguably the least aggressive player in the team opens the batting. You wouldn't find a club cricketer scared of bowling at Westley in the powerplay. Harmer bats at 7, when you could argue that he shouldn't even be batting at 8. He also takes up a valuable overseas spot, but we're stuck as he's so important to us in red ball that we can't afford to piss him off and risk him going elsewhere. Lawrence isn't going to magically repair anything (I assume he's taken a week off having had pretty much no time off since Christmas)

Worst thing is, I don't see anything from the young kids that suggests they'll become gun limited overs players in the future. Plom may have a little something about him, but only a little something.

Whoever is making the decisions clearly has absolutely no idea on how to set up a T20 side in the modern era. It's certainly no coincidence that none of the players (or coaches for that matter) have been picked recruited by a hundred franchise. At this point, I think we need to consider a specialist T20 coach.

A word on Sussex though, I'm very impressed by them at the moment. A thriving academy producing plenty of top young cricketers far superior to our current crop of kids. Also cracking on with their ground development while we boast about a new gate! Right now, they are doing everything that we should be doing!


Your post evokes more similarities with how Essex have gone about several aspects of T20, going back a long way, Alex. In particular, how they have never really learnt lessons and yet continue to ignore all advice and just do what they've always done, a continuum.
When the competition began and for several seasons hence, the Club had no clue how to approach the competition and as a consequence were regularly embarrassed by teams who had a coherent plan and approach.
The timidity and inability to upset *star* players, can be traced back to the start of the competition with deification of the likes of Irani, Grayson, Gough et al., and more recently with the likes of Oais Shah. Remember Grayson, when coach, telling us how he would have to make tough decisions on team selections, which was always code for; 'I'll drop young so and so, (who had just happened to make a big impact) to make room for my half-fit, and quarter engaged mate'.

I have a strong inclination that Essex's approach to T20 this season, as much reflects that such small numbers are permitted to attend matches. So as the Club cannot make their usual profit level from the competition, they have consequently downgraded it in importance and priority. As noted above, the strategic approach remains very much unchanged!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on June 17, 2021, 11:02:53 AM
I do not think Sussex should be suggested as something to emulate. They have dispensed with all their experienced red ball players so are abject in that format. They may or may not do ok at 20/20 but that is largely a lottery. Their Chief Executive is Rob Andrew who hardly endeared himself to followers of Rugby Union during his time at Twickenham. Most of the ground improvements at Hove were due to the substantial Spen Camara legacy but that money has now been spent I understand.

I agree - I lived in Hastings for 18 years and still have local connections. They are not a well-regarded club by cricket supporters. Whatever they do to Hove doesn't make it 'attractive' ...
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 17, 2021, 11:07:52 AM
Lots of people using the excuse that Sussex struggle in red ball cricket as an reason that we are doing better than them. Sussex are giving matchtime to all their young kids in the County Championship knowing that the way forward is to blood them early on. They had a 16-year-old lad playing in their last first class game who scored a half century. They are in the midst of a long term plan regarding their academy talent which will bear fruit in the coming years. Mark my words, fast forward a few years and they will be in a far better place than us from a red ball perspective.

Alex, this would be the Sussex set up producing top young kids ( superior to Essex), that just recently got hammered by our second eleven for 477 - 6,  bowled out for 191, and  struggled to 146-3, only to be saved by an early finish due to weather?

I agree that they are better set up for T20, but our kids are as good in longer cricket.
Nijjar is a better T20 bowler than Harmer,  Pepper is making progress, Buttleman, although young, will become a good player, and Allison should not be underestimated.




With respect Perov, nobody of importance within the game cares about second eleven cricket. It's a joke, like reserve team football. A quick look at that scorecard on the Essex site suggests that Sussex had a team of GCSE aged kids playing whilst we had 33-year-old Chopra (who will probably not play for us again) and 26-year-old Nijar. Sussex's spinner in the same XI (the same lad who got MOTM on Sky last week) is TEN years younger than Nijar.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 17, 2021, 02:48:16 PM
If tomorrows forecast is correct, and they haven't been that great this year, then that will be the 4th time in succession that the Essex v Gloucester T20 fixture at Chelmsford will be abandoned without a ball being bowled.  Would be some kind of record, surely.  Pretty bad luck for Gloucester seeing as we've barely won at Chelmsford in T20s over the last 3 years.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Buckinghamshire Fan on June 17, 2021, 07:17:19 PM
Professional sport is all about winning and not the taking part. Let's hope all our squad take note and show some fight going forward.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: honkytonk on June 18, 2021, 02:05:16 PM
Professional sport is all about winning and not the taking part. Let's hope all our squad take note and show some fight going forward.

Not sure it is about the fight, I just think some are not good enough/up to it anymore
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on June 18, 2021, 04:51:21 PM
We havenít had an even half decent t20 side since Grayson left.  Weíve won 3 home matches since the start of 2018.

VP will have a cardiac reading that 🤣

A chuckle more like.

The club always flattered to deceive in that era.

Where is Larry these days?

Must be a PE teacher by now.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 18, 2021, 04:58:27 PM
We havenít had an even half decent t20 side since Grayson left.  Weíve won 3 home matches since the start of 2018.

VP will have a cardiac reading that 🤣

A chuckle more like.

The club always flattered to deceive in that era.

Where is Larry these days?

Must be a PE teacher by now.

We were a good side until the quarter finals!

He is batting coach at Yorkshire, I think.  He certainly was until recently.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 20, 2021, 02:10:15 PM
Team for Kent match. Better batting lineup, with no Westley which is interesting:

Wheater (wckt)
Buttleman
Lawrence
Pepper
Neesham
Ten Doeschate
Walter
Harmer
Nijjar
Plom
Cook
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 20, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
Team for Kent match. Better batting lineup, with no Westley which is interesting:

Wheater (wckt)
Buttleman
Lawrence
Pepper
Neesham
Ten Doeschate
Walter
Harmer
Nijjar
Plom
Cook

If he hadnít have been run out in the Hampshire match when going well we would probably have won that game.  Interesting to drop him so soon after that.  Not much difference between a lot of the batsman to be honest.  Apart from Lawrence and Neesham the others are all very droppable.  It certainly looks a much better balanced side with 7 batsman.
Pretty surprised about Porter being left out.  With these weather conditions we are having I would have thought Nijjar would have been more expendable.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 20, 2021, 02:42:44 PM
Wheater missed stumping and looking untidy from throw ins.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 20, 2021, 03:08:56 PM
What rotten fielding after being dropped by someone six rows back they hit it to someone in the gardens outside the ground to see if they could do better.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 20, 2021, 04:04:27 PM
If ever one wanted a barometer of a sideís confidence, then that surely is today with Essex winning the toss and inserting.

Weather conditions may have prompted this, but I now see Kent well over 200 for the loss of only three wickets, with an over to go.

Brace yourself lads for further humiliation.

Anybody that crossed the QE 2 bridge to support Essex has my deepest sympathy. They are either suffering from cabin fever or a severe case of delusion thinking they were going to support a team who actually cared a fig about T20.

Some  contributers  might  remember that I live in Hampshire now but support my beloved Essex from afar.

Given the ever quickening decline in not only the performances of the club over recent years, reflecting truly shocking administration of the running of the club, is it about time that some steps should be taken to arrest this situation and that members propose a vote of no confidence, something that may just jolt principal officers and committee members into the realities of now.

How long can we tolerate this sleepwalk to anonymity and derision.

Opponents must be queuing up to play us.

Oh for a miracle of Lawrence scoring a ton and another most unlikely win.

Sadly I canít dream forever.



Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on June 20, 2021, 04:42:28 PM
Anyone still watching? I am as I will not be detained long.

Anyone not going to bother with the future T20 matches?

Anyone set up a rule that the match pack goes straight to the junk folder?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 20, 2021, 04:58:40 PM
Well I thought this was probably the strongest side Essex could put out from the current squad (we can argue about Chopra). Just so depressing.

What this team wouldn't give for Napier, Ravi or Foster. Even Cameron Delport.

Not hard to imagine many more games like this one this season.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 20, 2021, 04:59:02 PM
Well I thought this was probably the strongest side Essex could put out from the current squad (we can argue about Chopra). Just so depressing.

What this team wouldn't give for Napier, Ravi or Foster. Even Cameron Delport.

I can see many more games like this one this season.
Men vs Boys
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 20, 2021, 05:28:35 PM
Latest sighting of Chopra, at the top of Ben Nevis.
Is he on holiday, AWOL, or no longer required?
Strange situation in mid season.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: jwb2 on June 20, 2021, 05:32:25 PM
Only seven wicket takers. They must be queuing up to bowl at us for now.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 20, 2021, 05:50:35 PM
 Squeezed a 68 run defeat. Difference between the two sides, batting, bowling and fielding, plus six hit count.
Won the toss, and downhill thereafter.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: oldhasbeen on June 20, 2021, 06:43:02 PM
I'm feeling rather glad I went out this afternoon instead of watching the game. It sounds embarrassing.

Whereas in the red ball game, with two or three good signings to replace departing players, we could be serious contenders again, in T20 we need major surgery. Or should that be butchery?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: mawallace on June 21, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
Umm - I think I could have arrived at this conclusion 

https://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2021/06/21/match-preview-surrey-v-essex-eagles/

Quote
ďAt the moment, we are either not batting well or not bowling well and are not putting it together.

ďItís not going well at the moment and weíve lost four in a row apart from the rained-off game but itís only the guys in the dressing room that can change things around.

ďWeíve had five or six excellent years and the Essex fans have been spoilt for trophies but at the moment we are in a little trough, which can happen now and again, and we need everyone to get behind us.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 21, 2021, 12:29:17 PM
never mind getting behind the team I get behind the sofa when Essex are playing at the moment.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 21, 2021, 01:20:06 PM
Weíll win tonight, Surrey are decimated with absentees. You heard it here first!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 21, 2021, 01:29:00 PM
Umm - I think I could have arrived at this conclusion 

https://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2021/06/21/match-preview-surrey-v-essex-eagles/

Quote
ďAt the moment, we are either not batting well or not bowling well and are not putting it together.

ďItís not going well at the moment and weíve lost four in a row apart from the rained-off game but itís only the guys in the dressing room that can change things around.

ďWeíve had five or six excellent years and the Essex fans have been spoilt for trophies but at the moment we are in a little trough, which can happen now and again, and we need everyone to get behind us.

The problem is, it's not even the right conclusion.  We are not "in a little trough which can happen now and again".  We are a poor T20 side and have been for years.  Everyone with half a brain could see the 2019 win was a fluke.  We were incredibly lucky to scrape though the group stage, we got a quarter final on a neutral stage and the pitch on Finals Day really couldn't have favoured us more.

In 2017 our record was P14, W5, L7, 2NR   Finished 8th out of 9 (joint points with the bottom team)
In 2018 our record was P14, W2, L8, 3NR, IT   Somehow with 2 wins finished 7th out of 9!
in 2019 our group record was P14, W5, L4, 4NR, 1T    That was enough to finish 4th and we won 3 knockout matches to win the Comp
In 2020 our record was P10, W2, L6, 1NR, 1T  Finished 5th out of 6
Currently in 2021  P6, W1, L4, 1NR  Currently 8th out of 9.

Thats a record since 2017 of P50, W18, L29, T3.   Not much of a little trough.  Especially when 3 of those wins were knockout matches in 2019 which we were incredibly lucky to get to play in the first place.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on June 21, 2021, 01:32:12 PM
Weíll win tonight, Surrey are decimated with absentees. You heard it here first!!

They've taken one in ten out of the ranks and executed them in front of the others as punishment and motivation?  What would HR department say about that?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 21, 2021, 01:52:59 PM
Weíll win tonight, Surrey are decimated with absentees. You heard it here first!!

They've taken one in ten out of the ranks and executed them in front of the others as punishment and motivation?  What would HR department say about that?

Eh?!!!!!!....
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: smandlej on June 21, 2021, 03:10:14 PM
Umm - I think I could have arrived at this conclusion 

https://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2021/06/21/match-preview-surrey-v-essex-eagles/

First thing that struck me when reading the preview was that, if most teams had as many absentees as Surrey have, they'd be lucky to find an eleven to field.  How do Surrey manage it?

Lynda
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 21, 2021, 04:03:47 PM
Umm - I think I could have arrived at this conclusion 

https://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2021/06/21/match-preview-surrey-v-essex-eagles/

First thing that struck me when reading the preview was that, if most teams had as many absentees as Surrey have, they'd be lucky to find an eleven to field.  How do Surrey manage it?

Lynda
££££££££££s
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: afinetickletoleg on June 21, 2021, 04:11:35 PM

First thing that struck me when reading the preview was that, if most teams had as many absentees as Surrey have, they'd be lucky to find an eleven to field.  How do Surrey manage it?

Lynda
££££££££££s

When it comes to budget we shouldnít ever have a chance of beating Surrey in any competition.

They are the biggest underachievers in the country.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: smandlej on June 21, 2021, 04:34:23 PM
I know it's down to money, Nat, but I've always said that, if that's the case, then the salary cap is far too high as Surrey are the only ones who ever get near it.

Nobody else should be able to beat them on budget, A Fine Tickle, as I can't think of any county who spends more.

Lynda
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 21, 2021, 06:06:52 PM
One change for tonight's game: Snater in for Plom.

I thought Plom bowled ok last game, despite going for 51! (which happens sometimes in T20).
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 21, 2021, 06:20:59 PM
One change for tonight's game: Snater in for Plom.

I thought Plom bowled ok last game, despite going for 51! (which happens sometimes in T20).
I'd rather someone bowled cr*p and went 4 overs for 20 odd (to paraphrase the Duke of Wellington).
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 21, 2021, 06:25:18 PM
Yesterday we played Kent, match was supposed to start at 2.30, it started at 3.30 and was still a 20 overs per side match.  Today the match was due to start at 6.30 but like yesterday it was put back an hour to 7.30.  Todays game however is a 17 overs a side match.  How does that work?  You can't have different rules for afternoon games and evening ones, surely, when teams don't play an equal number of them.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 21, 2021, 06:44:56 PM
Amla is Nijjar's bunny.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 21, 2021, 07:38:14 PM
Essex doing well so far, very well, although Harmer is up to his usual bonkers bowling decisions by bringing back Snater with three overs left when he was already twice as expensive as anyone else and ended up with 1-36 off THREE overs!!
119 get in 17 overs at 7 per over, surely even our batsmen can get that?!!!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 21, 2021, 08:46:17 PM
Good win. Always nice to beat Slurry.

What a good team we've got...as I've always said.  :P
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 21, 2021, 08:47:14 PM
Weíll win tonight, Surrey are decimated with absentees. You heard it here first!!

There you go!!!......A good and professional performance tonight from the team, well done.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 21, 2021, 08:57:26 PM
 Professional performance tonight, after the mauling yesterday. Early wickets after electing to field, but then on the back foot and never recovered, excellent spell of bowling by Cook.
 Maiden fifty by Buttleman, and with Pepper also in at the end, both hopefully learnt, got to be in it to win it, rather than brief innings previous.
 Could not have got worse  than yesterday, so full credit in turning it around quickly, with a comprehensive victory of their own.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: sixNout on June 21, 2021, 10:23:21 PM
JasonP: day matches tend to have 60min available, evening games only 30 extra minutes as most grounds have restrictions for the use of floodlights. The Oval have to turn off lights by 22:00, so overs lost tonight.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 22, 2021, 12:36:25 AM
I didnít even know that Essex were playing tonight.

When I read the result my first thought was - are you having a laugh?. Not possible.

However all was put into perspective by the strength or weakness through absentees of the Surrey team.

One can only beat what is in front of you. Good win maybe, but a loss tonight would have surely been a new low, given the 3rd XI they were playing.

One swallow does not a Summer make.

I see We are playing Middx next  at Lords, who believe it or not are playing worse than us, so we might actually win two successive games. Donít clunt on it though.

I confidently predict we will finish in bottom two this season.

I look forward to anyone putting forward a compelling argument otherwise.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 22, 2021, 02:47:50 AM
Feel sorry for Surrey fans in a warped way. The most members in the country but are forced to watch a reserve team in an easily winnable Blast game due to being decimated by their players basically being too good for county cricket. This is why weíll never have a scenario in English cricket like you get in football where the team with the most fans and/or most money dominates for years and years because they are playing international cricket all through the season. Unless a transfer window is ever brought into domestic cricket where a county can buy all the best players who canít get into the England setup.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 22, 2021, 05:49:45 AM
Not a bad 3rd eleven, as they fielded 5 International players. 

You can only beat what is in front of you and we did well.
Glad to see Plom dropped ( I don't rate him)  and  our overseas "star" relieved of bowling duties. I think Allison would do a better job than Snater.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 22, 2021, 06:05:33 AM
Not a bad 3rd eleven, as they fielded 5 International players. 

You can only beat what is in front of you and we did well.
Glad to see Plom dropped ( I don't rate him)  and  our overseas "star" relieved of bowling duties. I think Allison would do a better job than Snater.
Agreed on all points.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 22, 2021, 06:58:42 AM
Yesterday we played Kent, match was supposed to start at 2.30, it started at 3.30 and was still a 20 overs per side match.  Today the match was due to start at 6.30 but like yesterday it was put back an hour to 7.30.  Todays game however is a 17 overs a side match.  How does that work?  You can't have different rules for afternoon games and evening ones, surely, when teams don't play an equal number of them.

All games have a cut off time JP.  By starting at 7-30, had to reduce to 34 over match to finish by cut off time. Cut off time is determined by  local restrictions and overs by hour already determined in match rules.
What was baffling, was that power play was 5.1 overs .
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: smandlej on June 22, 2021, 07:33:14 AM
We decided to listen to the match, despite it being Topley commentating (not to mention the irritating Surrey commentator) and were glad we did - a wicket off the first ball at least gave some hope.

However, we wish someone would tell Don Topley how to pronounce our player's names correctly.  He's always called Chopra 'Veran' and last night it was 'Jack Plum'.  Or Dan Tipley, as Steve re-christened him.

Lynda and Steve
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 22, 2021, 07:36:48 AM
Feel sorry for Surrey fans in a warped way. The most members in the country but are forced to watch a reserve team in an easily winnable Blast game due to being decimated by their players basically being too good for county cricket. This is why weíll never have a scenario in English cricket like you get in football where the team with the most fans and/or most money dominates for years and years because they are playing international cricket all through the season. Unless a transfer window is ever brought into domestic cricket where a county can buy all the best players who canít get into the England setup.

Surrey are used to it to some extent and plan for it.  The problem they had last night was that their overseas player, Abbott, was injured.  Also Pope was missing due to a COVID contact, Foakes injured, Plunkett, injured, Evans ill.  Put those players in and itís a strong side still.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on June 22, 2021, 12:10:49 PM

Nobody else should be able to beat them on budget, A Fine Tickle, as I can't think of any county who spends more.



Surrey don't just buy in talent so that makes them better than Notts at least.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 24, 2021, 04:54:10 PM
Essex won the toss and will field against Middlesex.

Porter in for Snater.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: kingstonj1 on June 24, 2021, 08:04:52 PM
Conspiring to cock it up. if we win and we should have won one of those earlier in the comp when we were walking it, we would actually be in a good position!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: kingstonj1 on June 24, 2021, 08:08:38 PM
Oh dear
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: kingstonj1 on June 24, 2021, 08:13:00 PM
Never in doubt...

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 24, 2021, 08:15:09 PM
Phew. That was fun. They almost threw it away after Pepper and Lawrence played so well. Neesham should have been there at the end, but a win's a win. Great for their confidence.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 24, 2021, 08:19:25 PM
 Like to say we held are nerve. We held are nerve !
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on June 24, 2021, 08:36:56 PM
It wouldn't be Essex if we didn't try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory ...
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on June 24, 2021, 09:59:42 PM
Donít know whether to say ďwell doneĒ or ďphew, we were VERY VERY lucky there!Ē

Brilliant match for the neutral but I really thought we had thrown away an unloseable position (16 runs off two over with SEVEN wickets left!!)
Neesham continues to disappoint :( Canít be trusted to bowl more than the occasional over each match and his batting has been very disappointing too. You would have expected an experienced international player to have seen the team home without ANY worries from the position we were in with two overs left.
Anyway, two on the trot now, eh?!!...whoíd have thought it?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 24, 2021, 10:41:57 PM
Neesham is a bottlejob unfortunately. Does well on paper, but ultimately never finishes the job. I maintain that we need better from an overseas player.

Can someone explain to me what Paul Walter brings to the team? He doesn't bring runs, unless it's from the opposition bat whilst he's bowling. Yet he's seemingly bulletproof from getting dropped, it baffles me. Has he ever actually won us a match in limited overs cricket?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 24, 2021, 11:19:47 PM
Neesham is a bottlejob unfortunately. Does well on paper, but ultimately never finishes the job. I maintain that we need better from an overseas player.

Can someone explain to me what Paul Walter brings to the team? He doesn't bring runs, unless it's from the opposition bat whilst he's bowling. Yet he's seemingly bulletproof from getting dropped, it baffles me. Has he ever actually won us a match in limited overs cricket?

He offers more than tendo does these days , sadly.  If neither of them play then who else does?   You have to pick 11.  I think the side that has been picked the last couple of games is our best side.  More balance to it.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 25, 2021, 12:27:28 AM
Neesham is a bottlejob unfortunately. Does well on paper, but ultimately never finishes the job. I maintain that we need better from an overseas player.

Can someone explain to me what Paul Walter brings to the team? He doesn't bring runs, unless it's from the opposition bat whilst he's bowling. Yet he's seemingly bulletproof from getting dropped, it baffles me. Has he ever actually won us a match in limited overs cricket?

He offers more than tendo does these days , sadly.  If neither of them play then who else does?   You have to pick 11.  I think the side that has been picked the last couple of games is our best side.  More balance to it.
No chance he offers more, Tendo is arguably the best fielder in the side, which counts for a lot in T20, plus he doesn't bowl and cost us 10 runs an over at the bare minimum like Walter does. I used to think Walter was a good fielder, now everytime I watch him he slips on our arse trying to pick up a ball. Khushi would be more useful in this format.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: honkytonk on June 25, 2021, 06:22:59 AM
My worry when we signed Neesham was that we are trying to cover all bases (Batting and Bowling), without actually doing either.  I expect my OS player to have maximum impact in games.  Bowling his full quota or batting high up.  Im not a fan of signing bits and pieces players for my OS, I think we need an either/or.  Guaranteed runs or wickets (if there is such a thing).  Amir for example, you knew he would do the job every game.  I would have liked us to get Philips, the kiwi.  Played a bot of T20 and will get plenty of runs for Gloucs batting in the top 3/4.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: LeedsExile on June 25, 2021, 07:31:45 AM
Pepper seems to be emerging as a real player of promise. Perhaps some of the answers to our batting problems are close to home?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: honkytonk on June 25, 2021, 08:05:43 AM
Pepper seems to be emerging as a real player of promise. Perhaps some of the answers to our batting problems are close to home?

Looking at out batting, I think we need a few more though!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on June 25, 2021, 10:03:11 AM
Pepper seems to be emerging as a real player of promise. Perhaps some of the answers to our batting problems are close to home?

Looking at out batting, I think we need a few more though!!

Did wonder if Eskinazi was giving an audition?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 25, 2021, 10:58:57 AM
 Can we win three in a row ? Rather stumbled  are way to victory, tried our best to lose it after initial setting up .
Got a flash back of Hardie running ball down to the the boundary after Hemings Ö.. last night !!!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 25, 2021, 11:35:15 AM
A win by the narrowest of margins, which we appears to have tried our hardest to lose.

Hardly confidence boosting.

Still so many cracks to fill but I liked the comment about Pepper beginning to emerge as one to watch.

Maybe fresh shoots of talent are emerging, and we are witnessing our lowest of low point, from which the only way is up.

I know Westley has had a poor recent run, but he wasnít playing last night I notice.

Any news on him? He is still a good player. Form is temporary class is permanent. A cliche yes but a truism also.

I hope we see him in the runs again soon.

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 25, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Neesham is a bottlejob unfortunately. Does well on paper, but ultimately never finishes the job. I maintain that we need better from an overseas player.

Can someone explain to me what Paul Walter brings to the team? He doesn't bring runs, unless it's from the opposition bat whilst he's bowling. Yet he's seemingly bulletproof from getting dropped, it baffles me. Has he ever actually won us a match in limited overs cricket?

He offers more than tendo does these days , sadly.  If neither of them play then who else does?   You have to pick 11.  I think the side that has been picked the last couple of games is our best side.  More balance to it.
No chance he offers more, Tendo is arguably the best fielder in the side, which counts for a lot in T20, plus he doesn't bowl and cost us 10 runs an over at the bare minimum like Walter does. I used to think Walter was a good fielder, now everytime I watch him he slips on our arse trying to pick up a ball. Khushi would be more useful in this format.

Walter only bowls as pretty much a last resort.  If he's bowling then it's because we're struggling.  He's only bowled 5 overs and 2 were at Canterbury when he bowled 2 overs for 21 which was under the rate the others bowled at.  I'm not sure whether it's a confidence thing or not but he really should be better than he is.  He's the 7th bowler in the pecking order so it shouldnt be too relevant.
He has played a couple of decent innings 45 from 30 balls at Taunton and 29 from 19 against Hampshire.  tendos innings this season are 26(21 balls), 3(12 balls), 11(14 balls), 1(2 balls) and 0(1 ball).  I still think they both should play as this is the best side we can put out.  We are short of good T20 players, there's no doubt about that. Khushi is not really suited to T20.  Walter is also a left hander (one of only 2 in the top 8 ) which is useful in T20s as a lot of T20 matches are played on the edge of the square and so you get a short boundary on one side to attack.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on June 25, 2021, 02:19:39 PM
A win by the narrowest of margins, which we appears to have tried our hardest to lose.

Hardly confidence boosting.

Still so many cracks to fill but I liked the comment about Pepper beginning to emerge as one to watch.

Maybe fresh shoots of talent are emerging, and we are witnessing our lowest of low point, from which the only way is up.

I know Westley has had a poor recent run, but he wasnít playing last night I notice.

Any news on him? He is still a good player. Form is temporary class is permanent. A cliche yes but a truism also.

I hope we see him in the runs again soon.

I don't think Westley has played all week ...
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: kingstonj1 on June 25, 2021, 02:35:43 PM
Think some need to get a grip, comments about lowest of the low etc, we have enjoyed unprecedented success over the last 5 years, none that any of us could imagined, and punched well above our weight in beating all the TMG counties to prizes.

Yes we have struggled of late to an extent in 4 days cricket (relatively to the table topping) but we have always been up and down in T20, and yes we all know there are areas of improvement needed in the team but as all again, apart from the likes of Notts and Surrey, counties have the same issues. Its all relative.

If we were getting thrashed every game then yes complain. We are not. We are averagely competitive so in T20 this year (we should have another win apart from a complete brain melt, like we almost did last night), and under par in 4 day cricket by our own recent standards, but probably at about the right level given our financial status in the game, above worcs, derby, durham and below the TMG counties.

Also some of the selection and performances in the T20 are odd to us, but they always have been and likely always will be. By all means call out poor performances like RTD's seeming demise in T20, but don't get hysterical...lowest of the low comments indeed...jeez!

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 25, 2021, 03:09:03 PM
Think some need to get a grip, comments about lowest of the low etc, we have enjoyed unprecedented success over the last 5 years, none that any of us could imagined, and punched well above our weight in beating all the TMG counties to prizes.

Yes we have struggled of late to an extent in 4 days cricket (relatively to the table topping) but we have always been up and down in T20, and yes we all know there are areas of improvement needed in the team but as all again, apart from the likes of Notts and Surrey, counties have the same issues. Its all relative.

If we were getting thrashed every game then yes complain. We are not. We are averagely competitive so in T20 this year (we should have another win apart from a complete brain melt, like we almost did last night), and under par in 4 day cricket by our own recent standards, but probably at about the right level given our financial status in the game, above worcs, derby, durham and below the TMG counties.

Also some of the selection and performances in the T20 are odd to us, but they always have been and likely always will be. By all means call out poor performances like RTD's seeming demise in T20, but don't get hysterical...lowest of the low comments indeed...jeez!

Our away record in recent years in T20 is not that bad.  Our home record, however,  is awful.  3 wins since the start of 2018 and a lot of heavy losses in that time.  That is the thing that really needs to improve.  Financially the T20 is important and we must start playing better at home.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on June 25, 2021, 05:23:14 PM
Pepper seems to be emerging as a real player of promise. Perhaps some of the answers to our batting problems are close to home?

Looking at out batting, I think we need a few more though!!

Did wonder if Eskinazi was giving an audition?

He's available, I think.  Along with a few others from Middlesex.
https://www.middlesexccc.com/news/2021/03/joint-statement-from-middlesex-cricket-pca

The cost of the pension underpayments mentioned in the link has apparently caused them to tighten their belts and the players contract offers are reflecting that.  A Middlesex fan I know says that a few may leave as a result.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 25, 2021, 05:42:18 PM
Our undoubted decline from the lofty heights of Championship winners, somewhat fluky T20 Champions to our frankly very disappointing performances in both Championship and T20 indicate a worrying trend reflecting failure to invest in new players and inevitable casualties of advancing years.

Every side encounters transitions and maybe this is where we are at the moment.

What worries me is that we do not appear to be producing homegrown talent, and we do not appear to have financial ability to attract other good county players and more importantly gun overseas players.

Whether we like it or not T20 makes money, if you are successful.

We need to be successful in T20 otherwise valuable support will drop off.

Let us see how we get on against Kent tonight, who only a few days ago, but for a 30 odd last wicket partnership, would have inflicted a 100 run defeat.

To me that is certainly close to lowest of the low.

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 25, 2021, 05:42:59 PM
Essex won the toss and will field first. Unchanged team.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 25, 2021, 06:20:49 PM
Bell Drummond in the runs against us again? Standard, very good player.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Alex on June 25, 2021, 08:57:33 PM
Restricted them to a nice manageable total, made even easier by DLS and managed to spectacularly bottle it by collapsing in the powerplay. Only at Essex!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 25, 2021, 09:43:01 PM
On the face of it, 59 runs in five overs looks steep but with good batsmen, achievable.

Sadly this does not apply to Essex currently.

Lambs to slaughter.

We appear to have bought our overseas player from the bargain basement of international cricket. Not even a bargain.

Where do we go from here?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 25, 2021, 09:44:59 PM
Could be worse. We could be Middx supporters.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on June 25, 2021, 09:50:35 PM
Bell Drummond in the runs against us again? Standard, very good player.

That was the worst 50 I've ever seen.

Virtually every run was a top edge.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Can the Can on June 25, 2021, 09:57:01 PM
Think some need to get a grip, comments about lowest of the low etc, we have enjoyed unprecedented success over the last 5 years, none that any of us could imagined, and punched well above our weight in beating all the TMG counties to prizes.

Yes we have struggled of late to an extent in 4 days cricket (relatively to the table topping) but we have always been up and down in T20, and yes we all know there are areas of improvement needed in the team but as all again, apart from the likes of Notts and Surrey, counties have the same issues. Its all relative.

If we were getting thrashed every game then yes complain. We are not. We are averagely competitive so in T20 this year (we should have another win apart from a complete brain melt, like we almost did last night), and under par in 4 day cricket by our own recent standards, but probably at about the right level given our financial status in the game, above worcs, derby, durham and below the TMG counties.

Also some of the selection and performances in the T20 are odd to us, but they always have been and likely always will be. By all means call out poor performances like RTD's seeming demise in T20, but don't get hysterical...lowest of the low comments indeed...jeez!

SPOT ON
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on June 25, 2021, 10:30:08 PM
Could be worse. We could be Middx supporters.

They've always been rubbish at one day cricket though.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on June 26, 2021, 11:06:53 AM
Could be worse. We could be Middx supporters.

At least they have a nice ground, well they rent a nice ground.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on June 26, 2021, 02:08:27 PM
Could be worse. We could be Middx supporters.

Turfed out to Radlett for most of this season.

Perhaps they'll rename themselves Herts.

At least they have a nice ground, well they rent a nice ground.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Captain Slaphead on June 27, 2021, 09:47:07 AM
On the face of it, 59 runs in five overs looks steep but with good batsmen, achievable.

Surely the DLS target only became as high as 59 runs due to the (reckless) loss of 4 wickets?
It would have been considerably lower at the outset, & you would hope that the batsmen were sent out knowing what the DLS figure would be for no wickets, one wicket, etc??
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on June 27, 2021, 12:17:02 PM
Exactly Captain, the DLM is much more sophisticated and rewards good game management and vice versa (in our case).
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Captain Slaphead on June 28, 2021, 04:42:00 PM
Seemingly 32 was the target if no wickets lost.
Off 30 balls that's comfortably achievable, surely?

Even the loss of one wicket shouldn't have derailed a successful chase.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 29, 2021, 12:35:55 PM
I was admiring Tom Bantonís stunning  century last night, very ably assisted by a certain Devon Conway, what an opening partnership this is, when I thought, this is one side no one wants to meet at the moment and it made me think who and when we were next performing, as in circus act, and hey presto it is Somerset tonight. Oooooops.

Mind you we have actually beaten them this season, our first win and what must have been one of their off days.

Given the nature of T20, Banton could be out for 0 tonight and who knows we might pull a rabbit out of the bag, a few rabbits are needed I fear, and it would be good if we actually batted first if winning the toss and set opponents a meaningful challenge, dependent on weather conditions of course.

A cheap thought I know, but could not resist a slight smile at Kentís humiliation by 10 wickets.

T20 in particular is a cruel game and great leveller.

I fancy some levelling tonight(dreaming mode).

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 29, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
Essex won the toss and chose to field. Plom in for Porter.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 29, 2021, 09:19:34 PM
And a good win. Well played Michael Pepper. First T20 fifty. He's looking like a proper player.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 29, 2021, 09:22:28 PM
Very well done. Some of the youngsters showing up well
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on June 29, 2021, 09:35:00 PM
Nice to see a home win and the double over Somerset :)
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on June 29, 2021, 09:37:12 PM
good win against the big shots. Well done.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on June 29, 2021, 10:10:15 PM
You never can tell - such is the attraction of sport, and the total unpredictability of our enigmatic team.

One can never doubt the spirit or resolve of Essex, especially where rare talents like Harmer continue to pull us out of the mire.

If the seemingly improbable happens and we find ourselves challenging for a top four slot, our run rate will penalise us big time.

Criticising oneís favourite team is not pleasurable, but eating humble pie is.

Continue to astound us.

Is Pepper beginning to cut the mustard?

A most welcome win.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on June 30, 2021, 08:03:38 AM
 Yep, back on the bike after the previous dogs breakfast chasing last week. Letís hope they have not left the best two displays only for the cidermen.
Consistency is the name of the game. Seen snippets of Buttleman and Pepper skill set which must become the norm.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: LeedsExile on June 30, 2021, 08:43:13 AM
Does anyone know if Buttleman and Pepper are happy to just be batsman and not keep wicket? Otherwise we may have another Foster/Wheater/Foakes scenario.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Crisp on June 30, 2021, 08:50:11 AM
LeedsExile, having watched the seconds, both are better batsman than wicketkeepers.

I think both will feel lucky to bat for the County, let alone keep wicket.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on June 30, 2021, 12:04:48 PM
Is Buttleman a better 'keeper than Wheater? I know Pepper was criticised when he took the gloves when Wheater was injured, but I thought Buttleman kept well. I've only seen him keep in a few T20s and the one First Class game, so admittedly that's a small sample size.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: LeedsExile on June 30, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
Thanks for the replies. I saw Buttleman's debut at Headingley a couple of years ago when he scored 0 but kept tidily. Nice to be having a conversation about two Essex players with potential.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on June 30, 2021, 12:17:57 PM
I think Buttelman might be ahead of Wheater from what I have seen, including at Coggeshall in the seconds. Would the latter be happy to play as a batsman? He was good at that before leaving for Hants.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on June 30, 2021, 12:55:01 PM
Buttleman has just turned 21 and with more experience will become a good keeper. He is better than Pepper, (who seems a decent fielder) and will soon be better than Adam Wheater, who has started to look sloppy of late.
I would give Buttleman the chance to keep in the 50 over competition and see how he goes.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 01, 2021, 05:44:57 PM
Glamorgan won the toss and will bat first. Essex unchanged.

(and Peter Such is the match referee).
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 01, 2021, 08:13:19 PM
And a great win with 7 overs left. Glamorgan were shockingly poor, but this was a confident performance and great bowling from Nijjar, Harmer, Cook and Plom.

Sussex and Hampshire will be a lot trickier and I'd be surprised if Essex qualify for the next round. But they're playing with renewed confidence, so it's not as unlikely as it seemed.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on July 01, 2021, 08:15:01 PM
 A comprehensive a win has possible. Exceptional in the field, which backed up the bowling. A team performance in the top draw.
A special mention on Nijjar, might be helped by the hybrid wicket , but another decent bowling stint.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: nat on July 01, 2021, 08:18:18 PM
Another win so well done team. That's 5 wins, which is a couple more than I thought we'd get in the whole competition.

Not wishing to rain on their parade...but ...
...
the standard of the competition this year seems to be poor. Many big name players missing.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on July 02, 2021, 07:28:46 AM
Another win so well done team. That's 5 wins, which is a couple more than I thought we'd get in the whole competition.

Not wishing to rain on their parade...but ...
...
the standard of the competition this year seems to be poor. Many big name players missing.


 With the 16.4 now on the horizon, a migration of one day specialist and test players from the counties to be reporting to there new franchise squads. Yes, the circus is about to hit the streets and screens.
However,  like last night it is a opportunity for some fringe players to now show their own skills and claim progress for first team places in all formats.
 Question is, do punters want to spend there own hard earned on  watching semi second Xl cricket still under the county badge while youngers hone skills at another level ?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: golden duck on July 02, 2021, 07:35:15 AM
Agree about the weakened teams... Sussex were superb at Chelmsford but with England call ups for a handful of their squad they're not the same proposition. It is something the ECB should be looking at across all formats (especially first class cricket.)
Having said that, this is an Essex forum and we are doing just fine. Real potential from at least 3 less experienced players in Nijjar, Buttleman and Pepper.
With the last 3 matches against a still weakened Sussex, a season over Hants and a poor Middlesex, qualification is possible. Whatever happens it has been a positive T20 campaign and it feels like we have started a process to improve.
We should be aiming to build on this and the 50 over competition has to be a possible trophy opportunity. With other counties impacted far more by the 16.4, we should in with a chance.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on July 02, 2021, 11:37:04 AM
Apart from the obvious good news of the win, the best  news  from the margin of victory is the significant reduction is the run rate deficit which as we all know can be the difference between qualifying and non qualifying.

Fully take the point about weakened teams, due to call ups etc., and now we are seeing every team beat opponents, when not anticipated.

All making for quite a finale.

As I was a predictor of the ignominy of bottom two finish,(still possible), there is no greater joy than for me to eat another generous portion of humble pie.

Whatever we say about our lads, as a team, they continue to keep on giving, good a d bad.

The flame is burning brighter.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: afinetickletoleg on July 02, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
If nothing else this season has given some younger players some good experience.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 09, 2021, 05:52:31 PM
Sussex won the toss and chose to field. Two changes- Khushi in for Buttleman and Westley replaces Lawrence.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: honkytonk on July 09, 2021, 08:25:26 PM
Why are we bowling Plom again??
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: paulcm on July 09, 2021, 09:09:46 PM
Why indeed ??? If I remember rightly, his 0-39 off 3,was very similar to his last ďperformance ď.Walter was given just 1 over,which went for 4 runs. Why not play Snaterónot particularly economical but at least heíd get a few wickets.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on July 09, 2021, 09:23:10 PM
Sounds as if our team selection and bowling choices were awry tonight.

At 67-4, I briefly enjoyed hopes of a surprise win, but who should spoil the party but none other than Ravi, who appears to have played the crucial innings.

How much are we missing him?

Batting yet again failed to deliver after an ok start before the rather predictable nose dive began.

Having seen Hampshire demolish, an admittedly under  strength  Somerset  side tonight, I am rather fearful of their encounter with us next week.

Their bowling is performing well as a unit and we will have to bat well to make a match of it.

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 09, 2021, 09:50:29 PM
Missing Lawrence's batting (and bowling) tonight and Neesham has underperformed.

Are Essex out of it now? I'm guessing that's it.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 09, 2021, 09:56:02 PM
Why indeed ??? If I remember rightly, his 0-39 off 3,was very similar to his last ďperformance ď.Walter was given just 1 over,which went for 4 runs. Why not play Snaterónot particularly economical but at least heíd get a few wickets.

In Plom's last 2 games before this one he got 3/31 against Somerset and 2/16 against Glamorgan. Snater and Porter have both been expensive when they've played. Would Beard or Allison have been a better option? It seems Cook is the only seamer to have figured out T20.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: LeedsExile on July 10, 2021, 07:06:54 AM
I've lost track. Has Beard played any first team cricket this season?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on July 10, 2021, 08:13:44 AM
 Groundhog day for the Eagles, simply again not enough runs . Got a decent base 103-3 off 12 overs, disappointing fell away in the middle order, despite what the optimistic commentator kept stating that the final total might be enough.
Just needed one bat to guide them through, Ravi.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 10, 2021, 09:39:24 AM
I've lost track. Has Beard played any first team cricket this season?

I don't think he has. He was injured early in the season and hasn't shown much form for the 2nd XI. McGrath said he's been struggling with his line. That said, if he's match fit, I think he should play against Derbyshire ahead of Allison or Snater.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on July 10, 2021, 10:36:31 AM
I've lost track. Has Beard played any first team cricket this season?

I don't think he has. He was injured early in the season and hasn't shown much form for the 2nd XI. McGrath said he's been struggling with his line. That said, if he's match fit, I think he should play against Derbyshire ahead of Allison or Snater.

Why?  Snater has bowled well in the County Championship this year.  He's been unlucky not to play more.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: honkytonk on July 10, 2021, 12:27:50 PM
Why indeed ??? If I remember rightly, his 0-39 off 3,was very similar to his last ďperformance ď.Walter was given just 1 over,which went for 4 runs. Why not play Snaterónot particularly economical but at least heíd get a few wickets.

In Plom's last 2 games before this one he got 3/31 against Somerset and 2/16 against Glamorgan. Snater and Porter have both been expensive when they've played. Would Beard or Allison have been a better option? It seems Cook is the only seamer to have figured out T20.

We could have bowled Walter again, only went for 4 in his over
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 10, 2021, 01:23:52 PM
I've lost track. Has Beard played any first team cricket this season?

I don't think he has. He was injured early in the season and hasn't shown much form for the 2nd XI. McGrath said he's been struggling with his line. That said, if he's match fit, I think he should play against Derbyshire ahead of Allison or Snater.

Why?  Snater has bowled well in the County Championship this year.  He's been unlucky not to play more.

Yeah, I'm being unfair to him. I was remembering his performance against Worcs when he struggled, but then that was a flat pitch. He's got a lot better, and of course that 7 for.

Beard does offer more in the batting and I think he's a bit quicker and offers more on flat pitches, but that may be a case of not being in the first team making him a better player.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on July 10, 2021, 01:30:17 PM
To qualify both games will require to be won and due to the run rate, won big. That is hoping the other teams lose all their games big, and a tie or no result will blow it.

As rivals are playing each other, it may be a mathematical impossibility. If Surrey get to 15 points they will then have to lose by a huge number of runs or in a few overs for the run rate to swop round.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 16, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
Team for the Hants game. 2PM start.
Wheater, Westley, Pepper, Lawrence, Neesham, Tendo, Walter, Harmer, Nijjar, Snater, Cook

Hampshire won the toss and will bat first.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on July 16, 2021, 03:43:31 PM
Another PATHETIC batting display (apart from Lawrence again!). Neesham continues to be a huge disappointment, bordering on a complete failure now, and just WHAT does Walter bring to the team to be automatically picked EVERY match?!!
Letís hope the increasingly out of control Covid virus, DOES stop the One Day Cup 50 over competition, to save the club from even more embarrassment.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 16, 2021, 03:57:18 PM
Westley batted well too. But I can only remember one contribution from Neesham all tournament. Very disappointing.

I'm actually looking forward to the 50 overs (well, more than the 16.4).
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on July 16, 2021, 04:07:47 PM
 Well it is Grand Prix weekend, not even one wheel on our wagon come the. Had our fastest lap at Taunton and steady spluttered from then on in .
Itís a team game, alas not enough members making significant contributions . Back of the pack cricket.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on July 16, 2021, 04:12:25 PM
Another PATHETIC batting display (apart from Lawrence again!). Neesham continues to be a huge disappointment, bordering on a complete failure now, and just WHAT does Walter bring to the team to be automatically picked EVERY match?!!
Letís hope the increasingly out of control Covid virus, DOES stop the One Day Cup 50 over competition, to save the club from even more embarrassment.

Yes, letís hope the Essex members, who have barely seen any live cricket for two years, are denied the chance of seeing some live cricket this season.  That line is more PATHETIC than any Essex performance.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on July 16, 2021, 04:21:13 PM
Another PATHETIC batting display (apart from Lawrence again!). Neesham continues to be a huge disappointment, bordering on a complete failure now, and just WHAT does Walter bring to the team to be automatically picked EVERY match?!!
Letís hope the increasingly out of control Covid virus, DOES stop the One Day Cup 50 over competition, to save the club from even more embarrassment.

Yes, letís hope the Essex members, who have barely seen any live cricket for two years, are denied the chance of seeing some live cricket this season.  That line is more PATHETIC than any Essex performance.

Fair point, that was a selfish point of view as a non member, comment. Just fed up with witnessing all these dreadfully poor Essex white ball batting performances and dont want to endure any more this season!

Oh and before you come back with another "smart" comment, people ARE allowed to be Essex followers even if they aren't members!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on July 16, 2021, 04:32:27 PM
Another PATHETIC batting display (apart from Lawrence again!). Neesham continues to be a huge disappointment, bordering on a complete failure now, and just WHAT does Walter bring to the team to be automatically picked EVERY match?!!
Letís hope the increasingly out of control Covid virus, DOES stop the One Day Cup 50 over competition, to save the club from even more embarrassment.

Yes, letís hope the Essex members, who have barely seen any live cricket for two years, are denied the chance of seeing some live cricket this season.  That line is more PATHETIC than any Essex performance.

Fair point, that was a selfish point of view as a non member, comment. Just fed up with witnessing all these dreadfully poor Essex white ball batting performances and dont want to endure any more this season!

Oh and before you come back with another "smart" comment, people ARE allowed to be Essex followers even if they aren't members!

Ok!  I know it probably was meant literally but To be honest the comment just pissed me off a little bit!  Now we have actually got some decent weather it really does annoy me that thereís barely any cricket to watch this year and what we do have is unlikely to be of much consequence.  I do hope to see some cricket this year but Iíll still believe it when it happens!

I know plenty of people who follow Essex and arenít members so no smart comments here!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on July 16, 2021, 04:52:18 PM
Another PATHETIC batting display (apart from Lawrence again!). Neesham continues to be a huge disappointment, bordering on a complete failure now, and just WHAT does Walter bring to the team to be automatically picked EVERY match?!!
Letís hope the increasingly out of control Covid virus, DOES stop the One Day Cup 50 over competition, to save the club from even more embarrassment.

Yes, letís hope the Essex members, who have barely seen any live cricket for two years, are denied the chance of seeing some live cricket this season.  That line is more PATHETIC than any Essex performance.

Fair point, that was a selfish point of view as a non member, comment. Just fed up with witnessing all these dreadfully poor Essex white ball batting performances and dont want to endure any more this season!

Oh and before you come back with another "smart" comment, people ARE allowed to be Essex followers even if they aren't members!

Ok!  I know it probably was meant literally but To be honest the comment just pissed me off a little bit!  Now we have actually got some decent weather it really does annoy me that thereís barely any cricket to watch this year and what we do have is unlikely to be of much consequence.  I do hope to see some cricket this year but Iíll still believe it when it happens!

I know plenty of people who follow Essex and arenít members so no smart comments here!

Yup, fair comment, it's been a very frustrating Summer for more than one reason!!
It was a heat of the moment throw away comment after yet another ridiculously useless batting performance from basically the usual "undroppable, due to no alternatives!!", suspects!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on July 16, 2021, 06:52:18 PM
it's been a very frustrating Summer for more than one reason!!


Once it was made clear Essex didn't want us around I pretty much gave them up as a bad job.

Consequently I've enjoyed all the cricket I've seen elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Heisenberg on July 16, 2021, 11:54:46 PM
We have been a poor white ball side for a while now. Ravi leaving was a blow and has never been replaced. Miss Delport in the T20 team. Ten Doeschate sadly looks like he will retire at the end of season. Harmer now counts as an overseas which has made us weaker. Not sure what the club see in Buttleman when we have Chopra still at the club.

Proud of the clubís recent success producing home grown players but surely the club has to look outside now to strengthen the white ball team.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on July 17, 2021, 08:29:09 AM
 The players have the skills, but unfortunately ALL the batters in the top and middle order were always one knock away from a big innings and a return to form, with low returns subject to all.
 Letís hope they do not replicate this form into the RL competition.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on July 17, 2021, 11:13:36 AM
Not sure what the club see in Buttleman when we have Chopra still at the club.


Didn't pull up any trees against Kent's 2nd XI last night.

Sunday is looking the proverbial bald men fighting over a comb scenario.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on July 17, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
There is something for Middlesex a win and a Glamorgan loss moves Middlesex off bottom place.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on July 17, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
There is nothing worse than watching a slow inevitable death by strangulation.

For periods of this game Essex held a slight advantage, restricting Hampshire to under 180 but a flurry of late runs and poor bowling cost Essex dear.

This was a rare chance for me to see Essex in the flesh as I live only five miles from The Ageas Ground.

Essex fielded  and caught very well, but the bowling attack lacked penetration on a good wicket against a a side bolstered by the return of Vince and Dawson.

Each made telling contributions.

Vince won a crucial toss electing to bat and with Short as his opening partner soon put
Essex on the back foot with a 69 run partnership, a position of strength they never relinquished.

Essex bowled either too short or too full.

I have seen Snater live, twice at The Ageas and neither time has he impressed me, bowling too short and over correcting wayward deliveries. I could detect no improvement.

His inclusion confirmed to me whilst the cupboard is not exactly empty, a good shop is overdue.

Ultimately Essex did well to curb Hampshire's late assault  by some good catches in the deep but once a side exceeds 160, they always remain favourites especially with Hampshireís strong bowling line up.

Once Wheater had committed typical suicide in the opening over, Essex then flattered to deceive for a long time to seriously challenge Hampshireís slightly under par total, through the excellent partnership between Westley and Lawrence.

They looked fully in control, rotating the strike well, interspersed with some choice boundaries and sixes.

I was even allowing myself to the impossible dream.

Any side that contains the luxury of a class leg spinner know they hold several aces and so it proved as the game changing moment arrived when Crane persuaded Westley to play down the wrong line, breaking the 85 run partnership and shattering my daydream, as the inevitable followed and at steady regular intervals the spin trio of Short,  Crane and Dawson  exposed our fragility and inexperienced batting. All too predictable.

As the runs dried up, our inability,  to hit boundaries and run rate soared, put such pressure on Lawrence that in trying to force the pace he edged to the keeper.

A good innings but once again not a decisive one.

A few lusty blows from Ryan an Harmer narrowed the gap but could not disguise the fact there was only one winner from a way out.

Put simply Hampshire out bowled us.

Where Essex go from here is difficult to know.

My knowledge of developing talent is limited. I was looking forward to seeing Pepper bat, but his attempted sweep spooning up the simplest of catches, followed quickly by Neesham, mistakenly promoted but ultimately embarrassed playing outside a good turning ball from Short merely hastened the end.

Much to ponder.

On a side note, does anyone know the process of how it was decided for Essex who had three times the distance to travel than Sussex just down the coast, to play the early match.

I stayed to see the Sussex match and it was noticeable to me that Hampshireís quick bowlers did not look so threatening, and their turnaround was not too long. .

Maybe superior batting, but Hampshire still won, due to a typically elegant but powerful century from Vince. He was merciless on anything short.

At least Essex canít now finish lower than 7th. Little consolation but more humble
pie for me as I predicted bottom two. 
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Niel01 on July 17, 2021, 01:20:33 PM
It is Batsmen who win T20 matches and we only have one of our batsmen in the top 50 batting Averages for this Season and that is Dan Lawrence at No. 21. Two bowlers in the top 50 - Simon Harmer and Sam Cook. No sign of our Overseas "Star" Jimmy Neesham in either list. Our Team Selection often seems to be focused on "who shall we give a game to today ? " We don't seem to take T20 very seriously any more and I will probably miss out on buying any T20 Tickets next Season as I guess a few others will. Shame because brings a lot of money into the Club in a normal year.
Can't really complain though we have brilliant in Championship cricket up until this Season although suspect that dominance may be coming to an end for a while.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on July 17, 2021, 01:44:26 PM
On a side note, does anyone know the process of how it was decided for Essex who had three times the distance to travel than Sussex just down the coast, to play the early match.

 Although unknown, would suggest  that with a double bubble fixture, that the two local sides would play the later game hoping that more locals could attend a evening start time.

 
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Buckinghamshire Fan on July 17, 2021, 03:00:05 PM
On a side note, does anyone know the process of how it was decided for Essex who had three times the distance to travel than Sussex just down the coast, to play the early match.

 Although unknown, would suggest  that with a double bubble fixture, that the two local sides would play the later game hoping that more locals could attend a evening start time.

Yes the rivals refer to Hamp/Sussex match as " El Classicoast "
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Mog on July 18, 2021, 09:54:05 AM
It is Batsmen who win T20 matches and we only have one of our batsmen in the top 50 batting Averages for this Season and that is Dan Lawrence at No. 21. Two bowlers in the top 50 - Simon Harmer and Sam Cook. No sign of our Overseas "Star" Jimmy Neesham in either list. Our Team Selection often seems to be focused on "who shall we give a game to today ? " We don't seem to take T20 very seriously any more and I will probably miss out on buying any T20 Tickets next Season as I guess a few others will. Shame because brings a lot of money into the Club in a normal year.
Can't really complain though we have brilliant in Championship cricket up until this Season although suspect that dominance may be coming to an end for a while.

Two aspects populate my thoughts here;
Firstly, Essex have been mediocre in the format for the vast majority of seasons since the T20 began. Tactically inept from the beginning (no surprise under Irani!), but then just bulldozed on with the same cement-headed tactics, despite them proving anything other than a success. This demonstrates to me that someone was pulling the strings behind the scenes....Grayson continuing that lineage as coach...again, no great shock!

Secondly, the Club have implicitly demonstrated their disdain for having to host spectators in any format of cricket this year, as those who are members and have been to or applied for tickets to matches have regularly reported on this forum. As No Change Essex have been unable to sell-out the most facility deficient county ground on the circuit, they magically lose their interest in T20 - a competition they prioritised for the first dozen or so years of its existence. Despite shouting down anyone who had the audacity to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on July 18, 2021, 10:31:33 AM
Thank you guys for clarifying the play rationale between Essex and Sussex on Friday.

I have lived locally for forty four years and never been aware of the reference. El Classicoast.

Makes a lot of sense though.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on July 18, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
Thank you guys for clarifying the play rationale between Essex and Sussex on Friday.

I have lived locally for forty four years and never been aware of the reference. El Classicoast.

Makes a lot of sense though.

 On a different tangent, notice the Essex v Kent fixtures this season were referred to has,  ď The Battle of the Bridge.Ē
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on July 18, 2021, 11:27:31 AM

 On a different tangent, notice the Essex v Kent fixtures this season were referred to has,  ď The Battle of the Bridge.Ē

That's been in use for a while.

Ever since the Mike Denness trophy was established I think.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on July 18, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Never heard that phrase - lived in Hastings for 18 years and scorer for local League team and knew Sussex committee members. It must be a new 'thing' - my sister has never heard it either and she lives in Hampshire!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on July 18, 2021, 12:01:27 PM

 On a different tangent, notice the Essex v Kent fixtures this season were referred to has,  ď The Battle of the Bridge.Ē

That's been in use for a while.

Ever since the Mike Denness trophy was established I think.
Battle of the chavs is more appropriate.

Watch it - pot calling the kettle springs to mind - where is it you live now?  ;D
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 18, 2021, 01:11:03 PM
Not that it really matters, but today's team against Middlesex. Debut for Josh Rymell:

Wheater, Westley, Lawrence, Pepper, Neesham, Rymell, Walter, Harmer, Nijjar, Snater, Cook

Middlesex won the toss and have elected to bat first.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on July 18, 2021, 01:31:29 PM
Not that it really matters, but today's team against Middlesex. Debut for Josh Rymell:

Wheater, Westley, Lawrence, Pepper, Neesham, Rymell, Walter, Harmer, Nijjar, Snater, Cook

Middlesex won the toss and have elected to bat first.

Khushi gets 1 match the Friday before last and is now overtaken by Rymell.   A bit strange.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 18, 2021, 02:05:37 PM
I hope Khushi gets a chance in the 50 over competition. Batting down the order in Twenty20 doesnít give that much of a chance to show what he can do, especially with just 1 or 2 games.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: dazedpenguin on July 18, 2021, 04:29:24 PM
Well, that was disappointing. Neesham failed to see it through- again. Rymell looked promising, Nijjar bowled well. That's it for the positives.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: ytsejam1 on July 18, 2021, 04:40:29 PM
Well, that was disappointing. Neesham failed to see it through- again. Rymell looked promising, Nijjar bowled well. That's it for the positives.

Nijjar (who ISN'T either a youngster or newbie anymore and has already done well in previous seasons) has been about the only "positive" from this dreadful competition. Pepper, on occasions, Cook, Lawrence and perhaps Harmer can surely be the only other ones who have come out of this with their reputations, still intact.
Neesham has been a huge disappointment/waste of money, Wheater a waste of time, Tendo sadly is completely finished and if anyone can tell me what on earth Walter brings to the side and why he is an automatic pick EVERY match, then I'd be very interested to know!
Most of us said before the competition started that we were going to be rubbish in the T20 and the only surprise has been that we didn't finish bottom!!
Sadly, not expecting anything different in the RL Cup.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on July 19, 2021, 08:33:09 AM
Sadly, not expecting anything different in the RL Cup.

Scorecards would be nice.

It is supposedly business as usual after all.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: LeedsExile on July 19, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
I cannot underside the rationale for not selling scorecards. Surely a quid for a bit of cardboard represents easy money?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on July 19, 2021, 10:50:07 AM
I cannot underside the rationale for not selling scorecards. Surely a quid for a bit of cardboard represents easy money?

Every other county is giving them away for free.

Customer service stinks at Essex.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: bwildered on July 19, 2021, 11:38:15 AM
 Sadly the 2021 campaign was signed off with a defeat against the bottom side, who in their previous innings equalled a record fewest boundaries in a T20 innings ( although did score 1x4 and 1x6 ).

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on July 19, 2021, 11:57:40 AM
I cannot underside the rationale for not selling scorecards. Surely a quid for a bit of cardboard represents easy money?

It's because due to COVID they are not allowing cash only contactless payments.  I guess they think it would be too much hassle.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on July 19, 2021, 01:02:23 PM
  I guess they think it would be too much hassle.

Sums up the modus operandi altogether.

Surrey come in for a lot of stuck on here but at least they value paying customers.

Even the MCC aren't as bad as Essex.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: vim on July 19, 2021, 02:15:04 PM
A scorecard is a instrinic part of a Cricket match. Who told the club that you could catch the lurgy off a pound coin?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: LeedsExile on July 19, 2021, 02:49:42 PM
A few weeks ago Buttleman looked promising and scored a match winning 50 at the Oval. Now he seems to have entered the Essex black hole. Is he injured?
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on July 19, 2021, 03:00:35 PM
A few weeks ago Buttleman looked promising and scored a match winning 50 at the Oval. Now he seems to have entered the Essex black hole. Is he injured?

I'm not aware that he is injured.  I was a bit surprised that he was left out but he didn't do that well when he played.  The 50 at the Oval was a pretty soft 50 really.  We only needed 118 to win and it was 56 off 51 balls.  Scoring a 50 at that rate was fine for that particular match but it doesn't really prove much as to how good he is at T20.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on July 19, 2021, 06:58:59 PM
A scorecard is a instrinic part of a Cricket match. Who told the club that you could catch the lurgy off a pound coin?

My wife, currently ill in bed with covid, works at a church. Banks don't want to handle large quantities of cash so they are facing challenges paying in cash collections after their weekend services. That might be part of the story - banks don't want to handle loads of coins. No cricket for me for a while!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Mog on July 19, 2021, 08:33:04 PM
Perhaps ECCC could do the right thing and issue scorecards for free - a small step perhaps, but it would be a gesture and start to make a repayment for their ongoing dismissive attitude towards members and spectators alike over rather a long period time.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: smandlej on July 20, 2021, 07:39:43 AM
Sorry to hear about your wife, Slogger: all good wishes for her speedy recovery.

Lynda
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on July 20, 2021, 08:20:11 AM
Thanks Lynda. Take care everyone.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Valentines Park on July 20, 2021, 09:57:13 AM
Perhaps ECCC could do the right thing and issue scorecards for free - a small step perhaps, but it would be a gesture and start to make a repayment for their ongoing dismissive attitude towards members and spectators alike over rather a long period time.

New CEO has got a job on his hands clearing out this stable.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on July 20, 2021, 10:27:52 AM
All the best Mrs Slogger and family. I hope you're all OK.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Reddevil on July 20, 2021, 07:41:12 PM
I am even more distressed about what seems appalling customer service, than I am about ever declining performances of the team we support through thick and thin.

Given that our finances are not exactly overbrimming, surely any chance to recoup funds lost to Covid should be grasped with both hands.

Even if scorecards do not generate funds, surely the good will factor towards the Club is important.

Unless I am mistaken, we have not been televised on the Blast this year.

That is surely a first and sadly reflects that Essex are viewed as unwatchable by Sky. I appreciate due to many International matches, Skyís coverage has been well reduced.

If I am wrong, I am sorry.

May I add my best wishes to Mrs Slogger for a speedy recovery as Mr Slogger will need all the support he gets to enable him to get through this truly horrendous season.

Surely next year will be better, but probably without Sir Ali, RTD and maybe others, it might not be. 

Surely not.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on July 20, 2021, 08:12:23 PM

My wife, currently ill in bed with covid, works at a church. Banks don't want to handle large quantities of cash so they are facing challenges paying in cash collections after their weekend services. That might be part of the story - banks don't want to handle loads of coins. No cricket for me for a while!

All good wishes for a speedy recovery and no lingering after effects.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: JasonP on July 20, 2021, 08:30:01 PM
I am even more distressed about what seems appalling customer service, than I am about ever declining performances of the team we support through thick and thin.

Given that our finances are not exactly overbrimming, surely any chance to recoup funds lost to Covid should be grasped with both hands.

Even if scorecards do not generate funds, surely the good will factor towards the Club is important.

Unless I am mistaken, we have not been televised on the Blast this year.

That is surely a first and sadly reflects that Essex are viewed as unwatchable by Sky. I appreciate due to many International matches, Skyís coverage has been well reduced.

If I am wrong, I am sorry.

May I add my best wishes to Mrs Slogger for a speedy recovery as Mr Slogger will need all the support he gets to enable him to get through this truly horrendous season.

Surely next year will be better, but probably without Sir Ali, RTD and maybe others, it might not be. 

Surely not.

I donít believe theres anything to Sky not showing Essex.  They won the comp two seasons ago  and they will have planned the fixtures before the start of this season so they wouldnít have thought we were that bad.  If anything because we won the tournament 2 years ago the media tend to overestimate us.  They only showed a handful of games and they seem obsessed with derby matches.  They always show both roses matches, both London derbys and Sussex v Hampshire.  If you dont include the last round of matches, which the Essex game was a dead one, there was only about 5 other matches they showed.  With the hundred a lot less county cricket will be shown than usual.
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Slogger on July 20, 2021, 08:34:59 PM
Thanks for all your good wishes. Mrs Slogger is bombarding me with instructions from her bedroom so is on the mend!
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Perov on July 20, 2021, 08:48:39 PM
I think in these difficult times Sky tried to keep things simple. Test grounds and more modern grounds  have ready made broadcasting facilities and structures, without ,(like Essex)  having to erect scaffolding, portable commentary box, miles of cable and  squeeze in the outside broadcasting vans.

Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: essexfan548 on July 20, 2021, 09:25:50 PM
Thanks for all your good wishes. Mrs Slogger is bombarding me with instructions from her bedroom so is on the mend!

Great to hear :)
Title: Re: 2021 Team
Post by: Andy on July 21, 2021, 11:50:14 AM
Thanks for all your good wishes. Mrs Slogger is bombarding me with instructions from her bedroom so is on the mend!

Great! May your 'to do' lists be ever lengthening...