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Title: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: bwildered on January 03, 2021, 04:56:43 PM
Speculation that Dan Lawrence might replace Crawley at three , who moves up to open due to Burns unavailability.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: LeedsExile on January 04, 2021, 07:30:32 AM
Does anyone really care? It seems ludicrous to me that they are even out there.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: Crisp on January 04, 2021, 07:49:18 AM
LeedsExile, you are sounding like a true Yorkie.

Without our visit, there is a strong possibility Sri Lanka will disappear even further down the tubes.

They need the TV revenue to survive, that's why the test team went to SA at such short notice.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: LeedsExile on January 04, 2021, 10:59:55 AM
I take your point Crisp and for the record I was born and bred in Wanstead. Perhaps I have been up here too long and acquired Yorkshire ways but I am genuinely concerned about the mental welfare of players in these endless bubbles for matches that few will remember.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: Andy on January 04, 2021, 04:39:11 PM
Well, where would you want to be UK in lockdown mk3 or somewhere warm with an opportunity to play cricket?

Compare living in a relatively luxurious biobubble with a 12 hour shift in a local NHS hospital or a teacher ordered to put themselves into a classroom because some clown doesn't have the cojones to make a tough decision until the very last minute.

Rant over
;)
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: bwildered on January 14, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
 Having who the toss the Sri Lanka found every way possible to get themselves out, a pure village cricket innings. Having quickly losing two wickets, the Yorkie duo Capt Root and Bairstow milked the bowling. Next man in Lawrence of Chingford .
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: nat on January 14, 2021, 03:29:35 PM
Having who the toss the Sri Lanka found every way possible to get themselves out, a pure village cricket innings. Having quickly losing two wickets, the Yorkie duo Capt Root and Bairstow milked the bowling. Next man in Lawrence of Chingford .
Shelled a straightforward catch. I've seen him drop a few.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: essexfan548 on January 14, 2021, 04:59:50 PM
Having who the toss the Sri Lanka found every way possible to get themselves out, a pure village cricket innings. Having quickly losing two wickets, the Yorkie duo Capt Root and Bairstow milked the bowling. Next man in Lawrence of Chingford .
Shelled a straightforward catch. I've seen him drop a few.

I've seen him catch some great catches.

Why are you always sooo negative about our players - except one who can do no wrong. No-one is perfect - not even you :)
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: IlfordEagle on January 14, 2021, 06:02:05 PM

Having who the toss the Sri Lanka found every way possible to get themselves out, a pure village cricket innings. Having quickly losing two wickets, the Yorkie duo Capt Root and Bairstow milked the bowling. Next man in Lawrence of Chingford .
Shelled a straightforward catch. I've seen him drop a few.
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I've seen him catch some great catches.

Why are you always sooo negative about our players - except one who can do no wrong. No-one is perfect - not even you :)

Perhaps also you could learn to express your grammar properly, your first sentence did not read too well.
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Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: firehazard on January 15, 2021, 08:57:35 AM
Have to love a day of Test cricket that ends up on Root 66.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: oldhasbeen on January 15, 2021, 12:10:55 PM
Have to love a day of Test cricket that ends up on Root 66.
Good joke for us old rockers!
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: IlfordEagle on January 15, 2021, 12:46:05 PM
Nice one Dan, great to see Root getting a big score as well, excellent position for Eng to push for a win.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: Andy on January 15, 2021, 01:34:42 PM
At least it will provide us with options in the batting. Slightly concerned about his technique and whether he could be found out by Starc, Cummins and Hazelwood.

Actually I'd like to see Foakes have a run in the side as he's a proper keeper and it means that the likes of Buttler Bairstow et al can have a rest especially with the challenges of living in a bubble. It also weakens Surrey...
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: honkytonk on January 17, 2021, 07:47:48 AM
Foakes is our best Test Keeper Batsman. Should be playing anyway
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: bwildered on January 17, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Already talk of Foakes taking part at some point of the Indian leg of the tour. Actually Buttler has kept very well in the test .
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: oldhasbeen on January 17, 2021, 03:46:54 PM
Already talk of Foakes taking part at some point of the Indian leg of the tour. Actually Buttler has kept very well in the test .
I don't think I've ever seen Buttler keep better than he has in this match.
But given the exhausting conditions and the pace of the two tours, I could easily see Buttler rested for a game in India - wicket keeping on the subcontinent must be as exhausting as fast bowling. Wood & especially Broad looked absolutely shattered at the end of some quite short spells, I wouldn't be surprised to see  both of them rested for the next Test.

It's already been decided that Buttler will be missing some of the India matches - that's why Foakes is out there!

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/england-in-india-2020-21-jos-buttler-could-be-rested-for-at-least-two-tests-against-india-1243535
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: honkytonk on January 17, 2021, 04:02:11 PM
I would like to see Stone and Robinson get a bowl
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: nat on January 17, 2021, 04:42:35 PM
I would like to see Stone and Robinson get a bowl
Stone makes Wood look like a paragon of reliability. Hope they've got the local St. John ambulance standing by.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: honkytonk on January 17, 2021, 05:17:28 PM
I would like to see Stone and Robinson get a bowl
Stone makes Wood look like a paragon of reliability. Hope they've got the local St. John ambulance standing by.

If you dont want to play him, dont take him!!!
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: bwildered on January 18, 2021, 01:07:52 PM
 Think we still have problems in the opening positions. Still to be convinced by the Burns, Sibley combo and Crawley looks a three. Judging by his innings at Lords at the end of last season, Lammonby looks like one to look out for has a future opener.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: bwildered on January 25, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
First innings all seamers wickets, second all spinners wickets . Now a one innings shot out .
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: nat on January 25, 2021, 09:30:40 AM
First innings all seamers wickets, second all spinners wickets . Now a one innings shot out .

In other words...a good/proper game of cricket.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: Andy on January 25, 2021, 11:58:53 AM
Well Sibley has done himself a lot of good.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: nat on January 25, 2021, 02:07:58 PM
Well Sibley has done himself a lot of good.

Will have done him good but he got lucky. Three 'umpires call' decisions went his way.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: oldhasbeen on January 25, 2021, 04:41:22 PM
Well Sibley has done himself a lot of good.

Will have done him good but he got lucky. Three 'umpires call' decisions went his way.
Agree he had some luck but I thought we saw a different Sibley in his playing of spin. A lot of judicious working of balls into spaces in the field for ones and twos.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: essexfan548 on January 25, 2021, 06:21:14 PM
Well Sibley has done himself a lot of good.

Will have done him good but he got lucky. Three 'umpires call' decisions went his way.

May we one day hope for a postive post from you?
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: nat on January 25, 2021, 06:43:22 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/25/australian-cricket-players-prioritise-south-africa-test-tour-over-t20-in-new-zealand

Brought a tear to my eye.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: nat on January 25, 2021, 06:44:07 PM
Well Sibley has done himself a lot of good.

Will have done him good but he got lucky. Three 'umpires call' decisions went his way.

May we one day hope for a postive post from you?

Ok. Ok.

I'm positive he was lucky.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: IlfordEagle on January 25, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
I think Burns & Sibley should be our regular openers, Burns has done ok overall, there is no one better in CC, Sibley will come good as well if we stick with him.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: paulcm on January 28, 2021, 08:26:51 AM
Sibley was clearly lbw three times early in his innings.As Michael Holding kept saying last summer ,the umpire’s decision ruling is ludicrous.When the ball is shown to be hitting the wicket , the fielding team having risked losing a review to prove it,there is no justification for denying the umpire has made a mistake.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: smandlej on January 28, 2021, 09:02:28 AM
I wouldn't say that the umpire has made a mistake, paulcm: the ruling is that, unless the umpire is sure that the ball would have hit the stumps, he must give the batsman the benefit of the doubt and  say not out.

Whether the law saying that umpire's call must be respected in review situations is an entirely different matter.

Lynda
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: JasonP on January 28, 2021, 11:40:37 AM
Sibley was clearly lbw three times early in his innings.As Michael Holding kept saying last summer ,the umpire’s decision ruling is ludicrous.When the ball is shown to be hitting the wicket , the fielding team having risked losing a review to prove it,there is no justification for denying the umpire has made a mistake.

There is a margin of error on Hawkeye so if a ball is shown to clip the wickets then it it may not neccessarily actually have done so.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: Postman on January 28, 2021, 01:36:17 PM
Holding's view, which he advocates consistently and eloquently, is that the "umpire's call" on lbws leaves the fielding side hoping that the umpire is temperamentally an "outer" and not a "not outer"  (think, for example, Bird or Shepherd in the past as examples of the latter, compared with Ray Julian, the smiling assassin, as an example of the former). But that's how it's always been, and an umpire who repeatedly turns down decent appeals is unlikely to reach the top level and televised cricket  anyway. DRS  was introduced to eliminate the "shocker" decision (think those of B C Cooray in Sri Lanka in 2000) and succeeds in that aim so long as teams don't waste their reviews. But it also allows decisions to be made which could never have been made with the naked eye because the margins are too tight. "Umpires' call" is designed to allow for tiny possible margins of error in the technology. It's ironic that while this is probably the only aspect of DRS that still attracts criticism, in football there's talk of introducing exactly the same concept for "marginal" offsides under VAR. Unfortunately if you want to eliminate the obvious error, you have to deal with this kind of thing via protocols and the like which will always be matters for debate.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: essexfan548 on January 28, 2021, 02:23:23 PM
I'm pretty sure I watched a demonstration involving Hawkeye and it predicting where a ball would travel from a bowler. It is not totally accurate as the modelling has tiny errors due to Hawkeye's assumptions in its programmimg.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: bobw on January 28, 2021, 07:04:26 PM
It would be intersting to see hawkeye predictions for a number of balls that went straight through to the keeper. I do not know if it pssible to stop the video and then have the cameras predict the delivery and then rerun the video.
Title: Re: Sri Lanka 2021.
Post by: Andy on January 29, 2021, 09:04:58 PM
Generally the system works fine, but or at least as well as can be expected. I grew up with bent umpiring across the globe and the likes of H Bird frightened into giving decisions by a posse.

If you want to complain, then look at football. They've managed to make decisions even worse by misusing technology.