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Title: This seasons comp
Post by: honkytonk on August 27, 2020, 06:56:28 PM
How does qualification work??  3 groups this year so is it just the top from each along with the best runner up???
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on August 27, 2020, 07:29:05 PM
How does qualification work??  3 groups this year so is it just the top from each along with the best runner up???

top 2 in each group + 2 best 3rd placed teams
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: honkytonk on August 28, 2020, 07:05:18 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on August 28, 2020, 08:33:00 AM
Maybe we can qualify again - with 10 points (1 for each washed out game!!)
Hopefully we can get through, as holders we should at least be good enough to do that, we will miss Ravi probably more than many of us think.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: honkytonk on August 28, 2020, 08:40:41 AM
Maybe we can qualify again - with 10 points (1 for each washed out game!!)
Hopefully we can get through, as holders we should at least be good enough to do that, we will miss Ravi probably more than many of us think.

Most sides will be missing players though (OS).  I thought the side we put out yesterday was not too bad all told. Decent batting line up and bowling options
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Andy on August 29, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
How does qualification work??  3 groups this year so is it just the top from each along with the best runner up???

top 2 in each group + 2 best 3rd placed teams

More sensible than the Bob Willis Trophy.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: bwildered on August 30, 2020, 04:48:46 PM
Fantastic piece of Wheater wicket keeping standing up to Quinn, denies Surrey a final ball single, resulting in a tie . Getting Exessexman Foakes out in the over was the key.
Eagles batting still brittle in this competition . However Walter, looks like he could grab Ravi's vacancy in the side .
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on August 30, 2020, 05:45:38 PM
Walter is rapidly becoming the find of the season in both formats.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on August 30, 2020, 07:11:29 PM
Walter is rapidly becoming the find of the season in both formats.

It's been quite a while coming but the green shoots of a player are there. So much natural ability but deary me I'd be biting my tongue big time if I were his coach/manager/captain. Giving decent post match interviews is obviously not a requirement to be a successful player but ....
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on August 30, 2020, 07:20:06 PM
We got out of jail turning a losing position into a tie, great credit to the team, now we need to start winning a few games. Such a pity there was no crowd to witness the game, they would have enjoyed it.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Andy on August 30, 2020, 07:55:00 PM
Walter is rapidly becoming the find of the season in both formats.

It's been quite a while coming but the green shoots of a player are there. So much natural ability but deary me I'd be biting my tongue big time if I were his coach/manager/captain. Giving decent post match interviews is obviously not a requirement to be a successful player but ....

Was it “a game of two halves” and “lots of positives taken from the match” whilst “nearly getting over the line”?

Does he need some extra nets in Aristotelian rhetoric? 
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on August 30, 2020, 08:25:00 PM
Walter is rapidly becoming the find of the season in both formats.

It's been quite a while coming but the green shoots of a player are there. So much natural ability but deary me I'd be biting my tongue big time if I were his coach/manager/captain. Giving decent post match interviews is obviously not a requirement to be a successful player but ....

Was it “a game of two halves” and “lots of positives taken from the match” whilst “nearly getting over the line”?

...

Not even that good/bad.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Perov on August 31, 2020, 07:23:19 AM
It would be helpful if Paul Hiscock attended an interviewing skills course.
Long rambling statements posing as questions, interspersed with "we", does not come across as very professional.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 31, 2020, 07:40:34 AM
Walter is rapidly becoming the find of the season in both formats.

It's been quite a while coming but the green shoots of a player are there. So much natural ability but deary me I'd be biting my tongue big time if I were his coach/manager/captain. Giving decent post match interviews is obviously not a requirement to be a successful player but ....

Was it “a game of two halves” and “lots of positives taken from the match” whilst “nearly getting over the line”?

As long as he's playing well, I don't mind him coming out with "over the moon, Brian" or "the lads was well pleased"

He dun well did the boy Walter.

Does he need some extra nets in Aristotelian rhetoric?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: essexfan548 on August 31, 2020, 10:01:04 AM
It would be helpful if Paul Hiscock attended an interviewing skills course.
Long rambling statements posing as questions, interspersed with "we", does not come across as very professional.

I agree - sadly he needs to learn to ask questions not give his own view.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Suffolk Richard on August 31, 2020, 06:59:35 PM
It would be helpful if Paul Hiscock attended an interviewing skills course.
Long rambling statements posing as questions, interspersed with "we", does not come across as very professional.

I agree - sadly he needs to learn to ask questions not give his own view.

A bit late in the day I think. It's been his style for a number of years now. Maybe the club are happy with his interviewing technique?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: SirChef26 on August 31, 2020, 08:16:36 PM
They shouldn't be, it's embarrassing to watch/listen to.

As for yesterday, it was the footballing equivalent of conceding a goal in the 2nd minute and equalising in the 95th. We were behind from virtually ball one, so to scab a tie is quite satisfying. The South Group doesn't look very strong really, Sussex will comfortably top the group but second place is open to pretty much everyone else to claim.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: ytsejam1 on September 01, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
Walter is rapidly becoming the find of the season in both formats.

Absolutely, can’t really fault him so far in any match, let’s hope he can continue to push on. Mind you, he’s not got much opposition so far this season (apart the two usual suspects!) especially when it comes to scoring runs!!!.
Going to need the bowlers to save us yet again today after another poor batting effort.
Perhaps it’s today when the great mystery of why Snater continually gets picked, will be solved?!!!!!!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: honkytonk on September 01, 2020, 04:06:42 PM
I think Walter should be bowling more
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: ytsejam1 on September 01, 2020, 04:31:33 PM
Walter is rapidly becoming the find of the season in both formats.

Absolutely, can’t really fault him so far in any match, let’s hope he can continue to push on. Mind you, he’s not got much opposition so far this season (apart the two usual suspects!) especially when it comes to scoring runs!!!.
Going to need the bowlers to save us yet again today after another poor batting effort.
Perhaps it’s today when the great mystery of why Snater continually gets picked, will be solved?!!!!!!


Nope!!...i guess not!!....Think that must be his lot now especially as it sounded like his fielding wasn't up to much either! Cant keep picking someone who doesnt bat, just to be trusted to bowl only two overs each match!

Our luck had to run out sometime and although there's plenty of matches left yet, the batting really is concern.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: JasonP on September 01, 2020, 04:51:36 PM
Walter is rapidly becoming the find of the season in both formats.

Absolutely, can’t really fault him so far in any match, let’s hope he can continue to push on. Mind you, he’s not got much opposition so far this season (apart the two usual suspects!) especially when it comes to scoring runs!!!.
Going to need the bowlers to save us yet again today after another poor batting effort.
Perhaps it’s today when the great mystery of why Snater continually gets picked, will be solved?!!!!!!


Nope!!...i guess not!!....Think that must be his lot now especially as it sounded like his fielding wasn't up to much either! Cant keep picking someone who doesnt bat, just to be trusted to bowl only two overs each match!

Our luck had to run out sometime and although there's plenty of matches left yet, the batting really is concern.

Sounds like Harmer at Chelmsford.  When he was appointed captain I was against it because I wouldn't have picked him in every game.  Obviously we won the trophy so you can hardly say it was a bad choice but I've seen pretty much all of the T20 games at Chelmsford since he came and his record is terrible there.
18 matches   
9 innings 66 runs, average 9.42, HS 13.
46 overs 11 wickets for 483 runs conceded at 43.90 runs each, BB 3-39 economy rate of 10.35.

Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: SirChef26 on September 01, 2020, 05:34:51 PM
You lot have cursed that for talking Walter up. Abysmal 19th over today which swung the game to Hampshire. The boy can’t bowl straight!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 01, 2020, 05:37:23 PM
You make a good point Jason. It sounded like Nijar was much better than Harmer today. A  couple of dropped catches proved very costly. Westley also injured a finger taking a catch and had to go off.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 01, 2020, 05:52:40 PM
give Snater a bat in the top 4. He gives it a whack.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: honkytonk on September 02, 2020, 08:08:44 AM
You lot have cursed that for talking Walter up. Abysmal 19th over today which swung the game to Hampshire. The boy can’t bowl straight!

Ill forgive him being a bit rusty, hes under bowled.

Re our batting, I wondered if we might look at one of the Pakistani batters.  Of course money is an issue, but I guess that a couple of them would not be that expensive for a weeks
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 02, 2020, 08:36:52 AM
Re our batting, I wondered if we might look at one of the Pakistani batters.  Of course money is an issue, but I guess that a couple of them would not be that expensive for a weeks
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We need to act quickly though, if we lose at Lords tomorrow we have a lot to do to qualify, probably having to win 4/5 of the last 6 - unless of course we turn it round like last year!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 02, 2020, 11:09:47 AM
I read that there was supposed to be some sort of agreement among the counties not to sign overseas players this season. Largely this has been observed.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Postman on September 02, 2020, 12:22:48 PM
I read that there was supposed to be some sort of agreement among the counties not to sign overseas players this season. Largely this has been observed.
That hasnt stopped Babar Azam from rejoining Somerset
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: mawallace on September 02, 2020, 12:36:06 PM
or Shaheen Afridi signing up with Hampshire!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: honkytonk on September 02, 2020, 01:14:13 PM
Worcs got Rutherford
Notts got Christiensen

Hope Hants and Somerset balls it up.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 02, 2020, 02:33:59 PM
The deals mentioned above had all been agreed pre covid. The "agreement" was supposed to be about signing new players in the circumstances suggested by Ilford Eagle.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Slogger on September 02, 2020, 02:48:34 PM
It would be a tad incongruous for the club to make a signing when they say that refunding membership fees isn't possible due to financial constraints. I suppose it hasn't stopped Yorkshire with Bess, but with 20% cuts from the ECB in the offing I suspect for now we go with what we've got and re-double efforts to produce young players through the academy. Like the late 1960s we might end up with a tight group of local players as the core of the team and a small staff?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: bwildered on September 02, 2020, 04:32:21 PM
Eagles batting needs to step up to the plate. Cannot keep relying on the bowlers getting them out of trouble. At present more dodgy than the buffering online incurring while trying to watch. We will be happy when everything gets into sync.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: essexfan548 on September 02, 2020, 06:36:23 PM
Indeed, trying to slog every ball for 6 is not working ...
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 03, 2020, 08:44:00 PM
"the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 03, 2020, 09:24:48 PM
The best way quite often is to keep the score moving even by just getting 1s & 2s, keep the fielders on their toes etc, in due course they will make mistakes & boundaries will come. This is something Essex don't appear to have learnt over the years, in the early years Andy Flower was adept at doing this but as others have said we seem to want to hit every ball for 6 which , of course, you can't.
We now need a miracle to qualify, we really need to win 5/6 out of 6, we did it last year from a poor position but I don't think history will repeat itself, Essex please prove me wrong!!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 03, 2020, 09:53:04 PM
At least agent Bopara is fulfilling his mission.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: bwildered on September 04, 2020, 07:41:21 AM
Masterclass of batters not hitting gaps but finding fielders.Too many top order batters not getting in and also out to soft dismissals .
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 04, 2020, 12:11:37 PM
Whatever else happens in this year's competition our need for a batsman (or maybe even 2) becomes more critical by the match - nobody has passed 50 so far, nobody dominates an innings & we cannot get a big enough score to defend adequately putting extra pressure on our bowlers who cannot always dig us out of trouble. It says it all that Tendo at 40 is arguably still our best batsman but he cannot go on for forever.
Additionally in red ball cricket a similar situation exists & also when Ally calls it a day which may well be at the end of next season the problem arises as to how to replace him either by someone experienced similar to Amla or an experienced player or two released by other Counties (who I have no idea!!).
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: honkytonk on September 04, 2020, 02:49:45 PM
Whatever else happens in this year's competition our need for a batsman (or maybe even 2) becomes more critical by the match - nobody has passed 50 so far, nobody dominates an innings & we cannot get a big enough score to defend adequately putting extra pressure on our bowlers who cannot always dig us out of trouble. It says it all that Tendo at 40 is arguably still our best batsman but he cannot go on for forever.
Additionally in red ball cricket a similar situation exists & also when Ally calls it a day which may well be at the end of next season the problem arises as to how to replace him either by someone experienced similar to Amla or an experienced player or two released by other Counties (who I have no idea!!).

Been saying this for a while. We need batters
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: ytsejam1 on September 04, 2020, 04:31:03 PM
Whatever else happens in this year's competition our need for a batsman (or maybe even 2) becomes more critical by the match - nobody has passed 50 so far, nobody dominates an innings & we cannot get a big enough score to defend adequately putting extra pressure on our bowlers who cannot always dig us out of trouble. It says it all that Tendo at 40 is arguably still our best batsman but he cannot go on for forever.
Additionally in red ball cricket a similar situation exists & also when Ally calls it a day which may well be at the end of next season the problem arises as to how to replace him either by someone experienced similar to Amla or an experienced player or two released by other Counties (who I have no idea!!).

Been saying this for a while. We need batters

Ain't a lot of us?!!!

We could quite easily be going into a (hopefully) full 2021 Country season with a top 6 of:-
Browne, ? , Westley, ?, Kushi, ?   If Cook (possibly), Lawrence (quite likely) and Tendo (very likely) are no longer available!
That's two career 30 average batsmen and a kid!!......
Heaven help us if Harmer is then back playing International cricket and not available full time too!!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Slogger on September 04, 2020, 07:32:02 PM
Sir Alastair has stated he will play next year.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: ytsejam1 on September 04, 2020, 08:44:47 PM
Sir Alastair has stated he will play next year.

That’s some good news at least then!!....
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: SirChef26 on September 05, 2020, 02:21:14 AM
Siddle's already locked down for next year as well so no prospect of an overseas bat next year.

In regards to T20, I notice Ed Pollock is out of contract at Warwickshire, who have offered an extension. He'd be an ideal T20 opening bat to either replace or complement Delport depending on his status next year. A Buckinghamshire lad would surely be tempted by us? I'm sick of watching Chopra and Westley wasting valuable powerplay balls.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: ytsejam1 on September 05, 2020, 12:12:37 PM
Isn't there a well known saying?..... "never change a winning side".....I think somewhere this has been lost in translation for Essex!!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 05, 2020, 12:25:26 PM
dreadful dreadful bowling today. We've given up this comp.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: ytsejam1 on September 05, 2020, 12:41:43 PM
dreadful dreadful bowling today. We've given up this comp.

Those two overs from Snater were arguably amongst the worst I've ever seen bowled by a "so called" Professional player!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 05, 2020, 12:49:34 PM
Snater should never bowl for Essex again.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 05, 2020, 01:55:48 PM
Delport...what a plonker
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 05, 2020, 02:06:42 PM
Westley batting so badly almost untrue.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 05, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
A shambles
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: ytsejam1 on September 05, 2020, 02:49:22 PM
Embarrassing performance today in front of the TV camera's....rubbish bowling, inadequate batting (apart from our 40 year old again!). Out of the competition by halfway as there's no way that lightning will strike twice.

All the eggs in the Mr Willis Trophy now! Will the captain do the right thing and drop himself?! (hell knows how he hasn't already been dropped in the T20!).
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 05, 2020, 03:08:28 PM
Appalling bowling display with Snater unable to bowl even 1 ball straight at the stumps (he needs a good bowling coach to work with him for a considerable time), Harmer bowled superbly, Nijjar ok bar 1 over, Quinn not too bad especially in the final over. The fielding was poor at best, Tendo at 40 often looks our best & certainly his enthusiasm & effort needs to rub off on others pdq.
Batting wise a reasonable start but Delport played an absolutely stupid shot when he just needed to play (& hit) straight, at least he got some runs unlike Westley, Lawrence & Walter who in various ways threw their wickets away leaving the admirable Tendo far too much to do.
That has to be it for T20 this season, we have no chance of qualifying & we'll be lucky to win even 1 game at this rate, good job fans weren't allowed in as it would have been so embarrassing to watch.
One for Aztec to answer, maybe - Is Kent's 81 in the Powerplay the highest ever or the highest ever against us? I suspect so.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 05, 2020, 05:08:11 PM
Kent's 81 is not even the highest by them this season. I believe they scored 88 in an earlier match. Bell-Drummond & Crawley have been sensational so far. I heard this from the Kent commentators. I had to switch to their commentary as BBC Essex had the dynamic duo of Topley and Gledhill. Topley spent the first few overs repeatedly stating that it would be a low scoring match owing to the vast outfield and boundaries would be few and far between. He also said as the wicket would be used by the Surrey match later it was bound to be slow. I wonder how much he gets paid for such insightful comments?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: SirChef26 on September 06, 2020, 12:13:47 AM
It should have been a low scoring match. Conceding over 190 on that pitch has go down as one of the worst bowling displays we've ever served up in this format of the game. It really was that bad! It's no surprise how awful we are, we knew it last season and got dragged through the groups kicking and screaming by a mixture of Amir, Bopara and the rain! The only positive I can give to us in T20 is that Harmer has improved as a T20 bowler and is a smart captain. That's it though unfortunately, I can't count Tendo as a positive as he probably won't even be here next season.

Having said all that, I'm honestly not that bothered that we're losing. We've finally won the competition and should continue to challenge for red ball honours, so I'm content for us to become the next Middlesex and prop up the South Group for the next five years because that's what we've got ahead of us. What really annoys me is that bowling like yesterday is such a disgraceful advertisement on national television not just for our club, but for county cricket as a whole. It's displays like that which will only increase the calls for the Hundred and the abolishment of counties playing elite level domestic cricket.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 06, 2020, 08:41:44 AM
Bit harsh Alex. The opposition are allowed to play well too. Crawley and Bell-Drummond have been very effective against most sides so far. Blake is a hitter who comes off every now and then and yesterday was his day.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Reddevil on September 06, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
I always try to try to be positive on this forum but boy is it hard after watching a display like that.

If ever a match epitomised top versus bottom this was it. Ilford Eagle, summarised the match superbly, they hit the gaps, we didn’t. Simple as.

Awful though the pace bowling was, bad balls still have to be put away, and Kent’s openers were superb, and basically won the match in the power play. How Snater is still at the club, let alone playing, baffles me. He took a good catch but that was it.

One can only paper over the cracks for so long. Trouble is we don’t have cracks, we have crevasses, into which we are falling headlong.

We needed an hour from Delport to stand any chance, before he inextricably committed suicide with his injudicious reverse pull. Leave that to Morgan or KP in his prime.

We were actually ahead of the game I believe, or very near. Even Nick Knight on Delport’s dismissal proclaimed that Kent needed that wicket badly.

I would ban Delport from playing any reverse shot of any kind, and fine him if he did. He is a destructive batsman, but he just needs more crease time. we need more from him.

The ball of which he fell foul, was a full toss. He could have hit it straight down the ground. No matter how good an eye one has,  hitting  across the line is risky. So it proved. One shot too many.

A pity he got himself out as after that desperation took over as scoreboard pressure mounted and eventually engulfed us.

From the moment Niijar gifted Kent five wides in his first over, I suspected I would not enjoy the first time I have seen Essex this Summer. So it proved.

Where do we go from here? Answers on a postcard. A big one.

Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Andy on September 06, 2020, 04:21:20 PM
Was there a match on?  Thought we didn't like such forms of bish bash bosh?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 06, 2020, 07:00:00 PM
Was there a match on?  Thought we didn't like such forms of bish bash bosh?
We don't. But we also don't like being humiliated on live TV.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: neil on September 06, 2020, 08:52:10 PM


Where do we go from here? Answers on a postcard. A big one.

 I rather suspect we see ourselves as, primarily, a red ball team and that deep down we know that  the T20 win,  last year, was a bit of a fluke. We didn't use Jamie, nat's spawn or Beard much this year and it does feel as as though they were testing Snater and Quinn to see whether they had a long term future with the club

I guess with the financial situation some tough decisions will need to be made in the close season about player retention and given this is a bit of a "non year" we went with the BWT as our prime target.

I wonder what the odds would be on Ravi returning...

Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Andy on September 07, 2020, 12:04:55 PM
Ravi to return next year?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 11, 2020, 12:48:08 PM
So they ring the changes for the Slurry game today at the ECG. Out got Westley, Chopra, Snater and Quinn. Good. Although the batting is wafer thin. Again.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: JasonP on September 11, 2020, 12:58:03 PM
So they ring the changes for the Slurry game today at the ECG. Out got Westley, Chopra, Snater and Quinn. Good. Although the batting is wafer thin. Again.

Bit surprised Quinn isn’t playing.  I thought he’d done pretty well overall.  Beard has been pretty awful when he’s played before.
The batting does look weak.  There’s enough bowlers in that side to play another batsman but with Westley and Chopra out of form who else is there?  Khushi hasn’t made the 17 man squad this season so they obviously don’t fancy him, same with Patel.  I guess Cook doesn’t fancy playing?  He has hardly played for the last 5/6 years but he was pretty good when he did play.  Hardly a forward step but he makes the best eleven at present.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: vim on September 11, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
Now there is no Don Topley today, we can all hear Gledhill whistling through his teeth and heavy breathing.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 11, 2020, 02:02:00 PM
Moriarty played several times for Essex seconds last season with no conspicuous success yet he has taken 5 wickets three times in his first two first class games for Surrey and to date three more today. One that got away?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 11, 2020, 02:18:37 PM
Moriarty played several times for Essex seconds last season with no conspicuous success yet he has taken 5 wickets three times in his first two first class games for Surrey and to date three more today. One that got away?
Yep saw him bowl for the 2XI and you/I could immediately tell he had something. Club should've asked me.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: honkytonk on September 11, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
Moriarty played several times for Essex seconds last season with no conspicuous success yet he has taken 5 wickets three times in his first two first class games for Surrey and to date three more today. One that got away?
Yep saw him bowl for the 2XI and you/I could immediately tell he had something. Club should've asked me.

Hes had a good season for Surrey
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: JasonP on September 11, 2020, 02:38:22 PM
Moriarty played several times for Essex seconds last season with no conspicuous success yet he has taken 5 wickets three times in his first two first class games for Surrey and to date three more today. One that got away?

Nijjar has been around for a while and has barely really played so I guess there was no real need to sign another left arm spinner.  If Zampa had have come back,as he was due to, Nijjar Would have not have played this year.  The only need we have for another spinner is if Harmer is not available.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: squarelegumpire on September 11, 2020, 04:00:43 PM
Well, if they can't defend 195..........

I know it's Chelmsford, but this is NOT good.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: JasonP on September 11, 2020, 04:49:09 PM
We are just bad at T20.  We don't have the players that are suited to it.  I can't think of one decent bowler.   Last year was pretty much a fluke where everything went our way.  A mixture of rain, Bopara and somehow Glamorgan beating Hampshire got us to finals day, where the pitch was tailor made for us.  We have won THREE home matches in the last three years.  Colin Graves gets a lot of stick for calling the Blast mediocre but a side with a recent home record like ours winning it last year is not a good look for the competition.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: bobw on September 11, 2020, 04:55:02 PM
I cant say I am too woried abut how we perform in the T20 as long as we can keep winning in the Championship. Unless crowds start falling that is.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: JasonP on September 11, 2020, 05:11:25 PM
I cant say I am too woried abut how we perform in the T20 as long as we can keep winning in the Championship. Unless crowds start falling that is.

I don't disagree too much with that.  I don't mind being average at T20 while being good at 4 day cricket but an average of 1 home win a season is far from being average.  I'm not too fussed with the away performances in T20 but the home performances have to be better than they are at present.  Otherwise me and others will get fed up with it.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 11, 2020, 05:18:14 PM
Today sounds like an exciting finish, at least we got a decent total but once again couldn't defend it!!
Some interesting team changes but fully justified given recent form, not really sure what we should do in remaining 4 games but our T20 season is clearly over, the likes of Harmer (yes I know he's Captain), Porter, Cook,Tendo should be rested from at least 2 games, preferably the last 2 so that key players can be suitably rested & refreshed for Lords.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Suffolk Richard on September 11, 2020, 10:20:59 PM
Today sounds like an exciting finish, at least we got a decent total but once again couldn't defend it!!
Some interesting team changes but fully justified given recent form, not really sure what we should do in remaining 4 games but our T20 season is clearly over, the likes of Harmer (yes I know he's Captain), Porter, Cook,Tendo should be rested from at least 2 games, preferably the last 2 so that key players can be suitably rested & refreshed for Lords.

I would rest the players for Somerset match for next three T20 games. But give them a game on last match so they don't go into final cold.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 12, 2020, 01:17:27 PM
I completely agree JasonP, winning the 20/20 last season was a remarkable fluke and normal service has now resumed. However, I think in a few years time we will look back on this period of 4 day cricket as a truly golden era. Championships won and an incredible run of wins at Chelmsford. Enjoy it while it lasts as everything is cyclical.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 14, 2020, 04:30:35 PM
Amazingly we have won our first T20 of this year, last year our great qualification effectively began by winning at Hove with 3 to go, can we do it again? I hope so but doubt so! Come on Essex prove me wrong.
Yet more team changes but nice to see Westley & Lawrence get much needed runs at last.
Good job I'm sitting down digesting the shock of Essex actually winning a T20 game!!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: SirChef26 on September 14, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
That knock from Lawrence was one of the best T20 knocks I've seen in a long time from any player. Some absolutely unbelievable shots. It's a shame he can't do it more consistently.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: bwildered on September 14, 2020, 05:38:38 PM
Almost a year between T20 victories. Most welcome win, even the streaming was OK, but the insistence of a reply graphic nearly  after every ball made viewing difficult when other deliveries were then missed.
Hopefully the batters can get some form ready for more important competition ahead.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: SirChef26 on September 14, 2020, 11:53:36 PM
Also forgot to mention, there was over 60k people watching on the live stream towards the end when Wiese and Bopara were in. The demand is there, need to capitalise on it.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Andy on September 15, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Almost a year between T20 victories. Most welcome win, even the streaming was OK, but the insistence of a reply graphic nearly  after every ball made viewing difficult when other deliveries were then missed.
Hopefully the batters can get some form ready for more important competition ahead.

Obviously Sunset and Vine weren’t handling this stream...
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 16, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
Well we've done it again with a side that seems to be getting younger by the match - Well done the youngsters. I think it's a little too late ;for a miracle this year, basically we need Surrey to beat Susses tonight, if not then I think we are out: if only we hadn't lost 4 already!!
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Andy on September 16, 2020, 04:52:02 PM
A win is a win. We're probably out of the competition but it's good to see a young side getting back some respect plus some useful experience.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 16, 2020, 05:22:18 PM
C'mon you Essex boys.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 16, 2020, 05:28:35 PM
Kevan James on commentary was very complimentary about Jack Plom. Another off the production line?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: bwildered on September 16, 2020, 05:30:38 PM
On a roll, (check the due date ) let's finish strongly .
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 16, 2020, 07:02:24 PM
Kevan James on commentary was very complimentary about Jack Plom. Another off the production line?
yep. He has been behind Beard, Allison and Quinn but it only takes 1 good performance to change a career. Ask Jamie Porter.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: SirChef26 on September 16, 2020, 11:36:37 PM
Essex beat Kent
Middlesex beat Sussex
Essex beat Sussex
Hampshire beat Middlesex
Surrey beat Kent

If all those results happen, we'll go through to the quarter finals on net run rate. Easy.....
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: essexfan548 on September 17, 2020, 03:55:20 PM
Essex beat Kent
Middlesex beat Sussex
Essex beat Sussex
Hampshire beat Middlesex
Surrey beat Kent

If all those results happen, we'll go through to the quarter finals on net run rate. Easy.....

Don't we also need more points than one of the other 3rd placed teams if we are 3rd in the group?
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: LeedsExile on September 17, 2020, 04:24:43 PM
Yes that is correct.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: JasonP on September 17, 2020, 04:35:03 PM
Essex beat Kent
Middlesex beat Sussex
Essex beat Sussex
Hampshire beat Middlesex
Surrey beat Kent

If all those results happen, we'll go through to the quarter finals on net run rate. Easy.....

Don't we also need more points than one of the other 3rd placed teams if we are 3rd in the group?

If those unlikely results happened it would mean Essex, Kent and Middlesex would all have 10 points behind Surrey and it would go to run rate.  Middlesex run rate is poor and so in this scenario of Essex winning the last two and Kent losing the last two we'd almost certainly have the best run rate of the 3 and finish second.  The chances of this all happening are very slim of course.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 18, 2020, 04:06:19 PM
Well that's it, dream over for this year!! Although we went close, sadly not close enough & 4 early defeats did the damage for us. Some great efforts by the youngsters over the games which bodes well for the future, interesting to see what team gets put out on Sunday v Sussex.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 20, 2020, 01:29:11 PM
Just don't get why Snater is not batting higher up. I'm available for any cricket-related consultancy work.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: nat on September 20, 2020, 03:21:35 PM
So we have learned some lessons from this season's abbreviated tourney. Walter has become a player, great news. Nijjar has proved he can bowl in the bish bash stuff.

Several others sadly have not and won't be with us next year.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: neil on September 20, 2020, 04:00:55 PM


Several others sadly have not and won't be with us next year.

Names, Nat, names.

I imagine from the players  still out of contract they would like to retain Nijjar, Pepper and Allison. Patel, too, possibly. Tendo, obviously, if he wants to carry on.

And if Tendo leaves may be more money for keeping others.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Perov on September 20, 2020, 04:36:30 PM
I would let Snater and Chopra go.
I would keep  Tendo if he wants to stay, he still fit enough for another year or so.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: SirChef26 on September 20, 2020, 04:48:20 PM
Pick one of Pepper or Buttleman and release the other. Release Snater, Chopra and Patel. Quinn is lucky to have another year left.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Slogger on September 20, 2020, 04:52:30 PM
Is Buttelman going to university? If he is I'd retain him. With big cuts coming at us from the ECB and uncertainty about membership next year (will people rejoin next year?) I can see quite a few being released.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 20, 2020, 05:06:24 PM
A tricky one re Buttleman as he is a better keeper than Pepper but cannot really bat, Chopra should go, Walter indeed has done well & Nijjar worth keeping especially with an eye to 2022 & Harmer possibly playing for SA.
As has been said some difficult decisions for the Club (& many other Counties).
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: oldhasbeen on September 21, 2020, 05:48:50 AM
So we have learned some lessons from this season's abbreviated tourney. Walter has become a player, great news. Nijjar has proved he can bowl in the bish bash stuff.

Several others sadly have not and won't be with us next year.
Plom's also shown some promise in the bish bash
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: oldhasbeen on September 21, 2020, 05:50:07 AM


Several others sadly have not and won't be with us next year.

Names, Nat, names.

I imagine from the players  still out of contract they would like to retain Nijjar, Pepper and Allison. Patel, too, possibly. Tendo, obviously, if he wants to carry on.

And if Tendo leaves may be more money for keeping others.
If Tendo leaves I suspect we'll try top use the savings on recruiting an experienced player, if one is available and affordable
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: IlfordEagle on September 21, 2020, 03:12:49 PM
I think Tendo has shown once again how useful he still is to Essex in T20 as a batsman, top scoring on a number of occasions. I just hope he still wants to continue for us, he looks fit enough & hopefully has the desire.
Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: essexfan548 on September 21, 2020, 03:46:43 PM
I hope Tendo wants to carry on - it will be sad if he retires without a proper send-off :)

Title: Re: This seasons comp
Post by: Andy on September 21, 2020, 03:48:20 PM
I think Tendo has shown once again how useful he still is to Essex in T20 as a batsman, top scoring on a number of occasions. I just hope he still wants to continue for us, he looks fit enough & hopefully has the desire.

To me, and although past his prime he shows a Fletcher like ability to resurrect a top order collapse in white ball cricket. The Pity the younger and more talented Bopara couldn't do more than just last year's tournament.