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Off-Topic => Bob Willis Trophy. => Topic started by: LeedsExile on August 07, 2020, 04:19:40 PM
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Surrey are so depleted of players they have had to sign two on loan specifically for this match! Finch is a seamer from Worcestershire whilst Laurie Evans is at Sussex and has often done well against us in the past.
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Surrey are so depleted of players they have had to sign two on loan specifically for this match! Finch is a seamer from Worcestershire whilst Laurie Evans is at Sussex and has often done well against us in the past.
No idea why Roy and Tom Curran are not allowed to play but Bairstow can play for Yorkshire. The next white ball England match is on the 28th August.
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How does loaning players fit with the COVID-19 bubbles rules?
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We are missing Lawrence again, and no sign of Patel in the squad. Is he injured or has he slipped down the pecking order?
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How is sitting on the sidelines helping Dan Lawrence's development? Surely he could be released to actually play some red-ball cricket.
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Hope for our players sake that they win the toss. I would not want to be fielding in tomorrow’s temperatures!
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Anyone one else with streaming problems again?
I looked at a couple of other games and no problems.
Essex, stop start, picture freezing and unwatchable.
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We were promised that we would be able to watch all Essex Matches on the YouTube Live Streaming. However not working at all for this Surrey game - when tuning in it just shows the end of the Kent match, Pretty amateurish stuff - checked for other counties and all seemed fine with them - just us that cannot cope with the technology it seems. In truth the actual live cover was pretty poor in the Kent match - constantly showing the scorecard, etc. when the ball was being bowled. Commentary pretty awful as well - talking gibberish over the game - not a proper commentary a tall - maybe trying to be like Bryan Johnston !! Better to turn commentary off.
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Well you must be doing something wrong, because I've been watching on Youtube for most of the day and it's been absolutely fine (Nick Gledhill aside).
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Well you must be doing something wrong, because I've been watching on Youtube for most of the day and it's been absolutely fine (Nick Gledhill aside).
Clearly the interweb runs slower down south.
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Well you must be doing something wrong, because I've been watching on Youtube for most of the day and it's been absolutely fine (Nick Gledhill aside).
Clearly the interweb runs slower down south.
but the roads are paved with gold.
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Nice evenly balanced match after day one, both teams will be satisfied I reckon. Surrey with their ridiculously weak bowling line up will be happy to have Essex 7 down and Essex with their ridiculously weak batting line up!!!!!!....will be happy to have 250 on the board. The three batsmen who got us home v Kent have provided most of the runs again! Well played young Khushi and it’s good to see Wheater in good batting form too. With our bowling line up and Surrey batting last then I reckon we should have a good chance of winning this match if we can get to 300 tomorrow.
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Well you must be doing something wrong, because I've been watching on Youtube for most of the day and it's been absolutely fine (Nick Gledhill aside).
Clearly the interweb runs slower down south.
but the roads are paved with gold.
Well, over the years of visiting home, the A12 has got worse and worse. So anything would be an improvement.
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Getting to 300 tomorrow would be good & a target for Surrey of 200+ in 2nd innings would give our bowlers something to defend & hopefully go on to win. Great to see Khushi get his career best & maiden FC 50, also Wheater again doing well & getting his Cap at last - Well done!
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Good to see Sam Cook get his cap too - well deserved!
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Oh well, so much for 300!!!!.....over to the bowlers now, AGAIN, to hopefully put us in a good position.
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Surrey 1-2.
Typical boring morning in the Bob Willis Trophy.
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Good to see Sam Cook get his cap too - well deserved!
Absolutely, nice one Sam, Well deserved!!
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I really hope we are looking at some batters for next season
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We have got ourselves into a good position , thanks as usual to our bowlers, all being well 200-250 tomorrow should ensure we can set Surrey a target they won't get!
Let's hope Lawrence can finally play for us next week, we definitely need at least 1 batsman, probably 2 for next season even if Khushi does come good he needs time to settle in etc.
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I imagine that in this dodgy financial climate we’ll be largely relying on home grown talent. It has hasn’t done us badly over the past few years despite constant moaning by some!
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I imagine that in this dodgy financial climate we’ll be largely relying on home grown talent. It has hasn’t done us badly over the past few years despite constant moaning by some!
Are there any waiting to step up though??
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Others will be better informed but Khushi has started pretty well already & Patel is waiting in the wings is he not?
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Others will be better informed but Khushi has started pretty well already & Patel is waiting in the wings is he not?
I was under the impression Patel had dropped down the pecking order a little bit.
If we lose RTD and Cook, plus Lawrence to England, we are left with
Browne
Chopra
Westley
Khushi
Patel
I think we may need to bring in a couple!!
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Others will be better informed but Khushi has started pretty well already & Patel is waiting in the wings is he not?
I was under the impression Patel had dropped down the pecking order a little bit.
If we lose RTD and Cook, plus Lawrence to England, we are left with
Browne
Chopra
Westley
Khushi
Patel
I think we may need to bring in a couple!!
We could do with a couple for sure. We do also have Walter, who is very much more of a batsman these days. He opens for the 2nds and does pretty well. Plus Pepper who has played a few times for the firsts as a specialist batsman.
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The problem is, who actually might be available? There is no one obvious to me at present but perhaps others can suggest some names?
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The problem is, who actually might be available? There is no one obvious to me at present but perhaps others can suggest some names?
Always a tricky question. We do not know the ins and outs re contracts etc. There are always people available, whether they are the right ones is another matter
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Circumstances have dictated but it's nice to see we have 10 home produced players out of the current 11 (Harmer the exception), says a lot for our Academy & record of producing our own, we should be very proud of what we produce.
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Circumstances have dictated but it's nice to see we have 10 home produced players out of the current 11 (Harmer the exception), says a lot for our Academy & record of producing our own, we should be very proud of what we produce.
More importantly, we have consistently had a team of locally produced players - if they weren't in our academy they were club players and/or Essex born. Nothing against picking up players, especially if they weren't stars in their previous county, but we don't want to be like Derbyshire or Notts or Slurrey (at times).
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Circumstances have dictated but it's nice to see we have 10 home produced players out of the current 11 (Harmer the exception), says a lot for our Academy & record of producing our own, we should be very proud of what we produce.
More importantly, we have consistently had a team of locally produced players - if they weren't in our academy they were club players and/or Essex born. Nothing against picking up players, especially if they weren't stars in their previous county, but we don't want to be like Derbyshire or Notts or Slurrey (at times).
Im not advocating shipping in all and sundry. If there are young batters waiting in the wings, then great, but are there any?? and even if there is, a little experience to come in would be useful
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I'll tap up James Vince for a % of his contract. Definitely needs a change of scenery.
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I'll tap up James Vince for a % of his contract. Definitely needs a change of scenery.
He would be a superb signing.
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I'll tap up James Vince for a % of his contract. Definitely needs a change of scenery.
He would be a superb signing.
As captain?
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I think Westley deserves a chance
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Others will be better informed but Khushi has started pretty well already & Patel is waiting in the wings is he not?
I was under the impression Patel had dropped down the pecking order a little bit.
If we lose RTD and Cook, plus Lawrence to England, we are left with
Browne
Chopra
Westley
Khushi
Patel
I think we may need to bring in a couple!!
That’s a very scary prospect, IF we are back to “proper” cricket next year! Three very inconsistent ‘30 run average‘ experienced player's and two unproven youngsters (hopefully Khushi may establish himself in the next few matches as he does look very promising). Even more pressure on our bowlers who have time and time and time again the last few seasons, got us back into matches and then won them for us too!
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Some solid scoring plus the key wicket of Stoneman in the last over gives us a great chance of winning tomorrow. A win would put us top & in the driving seat with most of the others winning 1 & losing 1, hopefully apart from Surrey!!
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Interesting to hear on commentary, that the Surrey man Mark Church rated Paul Walter, thought he had a good temperament, and a decent technique. He suggested he should reinvent himself as an opener.
We may need an opener soon, is it worth a try?
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The way Chef spoke about playing for Essex and how much he loved it gives me confidence he'll want to play for us next season.
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Interesting to hear on commentary, that the Surrey man Mark Church rated Paul Walter, thought he had a good temperament, and a decent technique. He suggested he should reinvent himself as an opener.
We may need an opener soon, is it worth a try?
If not an opener, maybe as a number 3, allowing Westley to drop to 5? Tom's never quite looked right at 3 to my eyes
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Essex players wearing black armbands .
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Essex players wearing black armbands .
Apparently this was in memory of a guy called Peter Meggs who was a stalwart supporter who died on Sunday. Apparently he watched from the Hayes Close end and was known to many of the players.
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If he is the person I think. I had a run in with him at Colchester about smoking in the seats. I now can see why the Senior Steward did not take my side.
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Well that was very much like the 4 day games at home last year. I thought that pitch eased a bit - to be fair Beard did look like he was bowling some good balls mixed in with some not so good but he does have the knack of picking up wickets. I'd hate to think how we'd get on if Harmer got injured. I think there was a case for Nijjar to play in this game. Anyway one mustn't carp after a crushing win.
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Marvellous win, even if that Surrey side must be one of their weakest in recent times. 10 straight home wins in first class matches at Chelmsford and Simon Harmer's match figures are the best ever for Essex v Surrey.
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Agree that we rely on Harmer too much. I suspect that he will be in the test side soon. Somehow we have to square the circle in squeezing in bowlers like Nijaar to develop whilst not depleting the seamers. Maybe Walter could convert to an opener. We could do with a Darren Stevens/Bresnen to share the workload.
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Short and quick day with 14 wickets for Harmer - when and if would he qualify for England call up?
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Short and quick day with 14 wickets for Harmer - when and if would he qualify for England call up?
Up in the air by the sound of this article
https://sportscafe.in/cricket/articles/2020/apr/10/representing-england-in-near-future-off-the-table-reveals-simon-harmer
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Harmer wasn't even supposed to be playing. He was advised to miss the first couple of games and thought maybe the first 4/6 weeks. Shows how good he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PrbmYCqAEI
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Short and quick day with 14 wickets for Harmer - when and if would he qualify for England call up?
This was discussed at the Members forum and we were told his visa makes him ineligible - he has to qualify through 10 years residence.
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Wow what a fantastic bowler Simon is, best figs ever v Surrey, 1st to take 14 wickets in a match 3 times since Underwood, the superlatives roll on, plus a slip catch as well, Surrey must be sick of him what with his bowling last year in both matches & his ton in 2018! I hope his abductor injury doesn't stop him playing, arguably he may well turn out to be our best ever O/Seas player, certainly at present arguably our best Kolpak ever.
Such a shame on another glorious day none of us could be there.
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A good win.
Strange that with the ground in lockdown, and only essential personnel allowed in,
Ronnie Irani was watching from the balcony of one of the retirement flats whilst Goochy was down the Hayes Close end in a deck chair. 8)
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A good win.
Strange that with the ground in lockdown, and only essential personnel allowed in,
Ronnie Irani was watching from the balcony of one of the retirement flats whilst Goochy was down the Hayes Close end in a deck chair. 8)
I wonder if the Duke of Norfolk will be allowed to watch the match at Arundel??
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Short and quick day with 14 wickets for Harmer - when and if would he qualify for England call up?
This was discussed at the Members forum and we were told his visa makes him ineligible - he has to qualify through 10 years residence.
I wish we could get some 100% official confirmation of this as I hear a different version of "will he, won't he" nearly every other week!. I'd dread to think where we'd be if we lost him and being a natural pessimist, i fear that this season will be the last one we will be able to call upon his services whenever we want. HOWEVER, putting on my optimistic hat (for once!) then maybe it s a good sign that Nijjar isnt playing as that would indicate the club knows that we WILL still have Harmer next season, as surely, if not, then they should be playing Nijjar at every opportunity to let him develop and get more experience now before he's thrown in at the deep end?!
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South Africa are the bigger threat. It's only a matter of time before Graeme Smith comes calling, cap in hand full of apologies for previous regimes with an olive branch. It would be a surprise to me not to see Harmer in a Saffa shirt when they tour England in 2022.
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South Africa are the bigger threat. It's only a matter of time before Graeme Smith comes calling, cap in hand full of apologies for previous regimes with an olive branch. It would be a surprise to me not to see Harmer in a Saffa shirt when they tour England in 2022.
That would be the lesser of the two evils as at least we would still then have him available all season for 3 out of 4 Summers!!!
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I wish we could get some 100% official confirmation of this as I hear a different version of "will he, won't he" nearly every other week!. I'd dread to think where we'd be if we lost him and being a natural pessimist, i fear that this season will be the last one we will be able to call upon his services whenever we want. HOWEVER, putting on my optimistic hat (for once!) then maybe it s a good sign that Nijjar isnt playing as that would indicate the club knows that we WILL still have Harmer next season, as surely, if not, then they should be playing Nijjar at every opportunity to let him develop and get more experience now before he's thrown in at the deep end?!
Sorry, what is more official than the chairman saying it and Simon being one of our overseas for next year. Listen to the forum yourself if you don't believe me.
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I dont think we will see him in a SA or England shirt tbh.
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Short and quick day with 14 wickets for Harmer - when and if would he qualify for England call up?
This was discussed at the Members forum and we were told his visa makes him ineligible - he has to qualify through 10 years residence.
I wish we could get some 100% official confirmation of this as I hear a different version of "will he, won't he" nearly every other week!. I'd dread to think where we'd be if we lost him and being a natural pessimist, i fear that this season will be the last one we will be able to call upon his services whenever we want. HOWEVER, putting on my optimistic hat (for once!) then maybe it s a good sign that Nijjar isnt playing as that would indicate the club knows that we WILL still have Harmer next season, as surely, if not, then they should be playing Nijjar at every opportunity to let him develop and get more experience now before he's thrown in at the deep end?!
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29639940/simon-harmer-closes-door-england-ambitions-welcome-sa-talks
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I wish we could get some 100% official confirmation of this as I hear a different version of "will he, won't he" nearly every other week!. I'd dread to think where we'd be if we lost him and being a natural pessimist, i fear that this season will be the last one we will be able to call upon his services whenever we want. HOWEVER, putting on my optimistic hat (for once!) then maybe it s a good sign that Nijjar isnt playing as that would indicate the club knows that we WILL still have Harmer next season, as surely, if not, then they should be playing Nijjar at every opportunity to let him develop and get more experience now before he's thrown in at the deep end?!
Sorry, what is more official than the chairman saying it and Simon being one of our overseas for next year. Listen to the forum yourself if you don't believe me.
Ahhh, I see, well that’s that then obviously!
It’s like the dreaded football club chairman giving his manager the vote of confidence!!.....IF England want him and it’s clear that Harmer is desperate to play for England, then they will find a loophole to exploit to get him.
One thing is almost for certain though, he will be (baring injury or Covid!) playing test match cricket next year for one Country or another!
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He lives in Epping - my late Aunt and her family used to live there - far better than South Africa with its gunfights in the streets...hang on, he must feel right at home at the end of the central line!!
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He lives in Epping - my late Aunt and her family used to live there - far better than South Africa with its gunfights in the streets...hang on, he must feel right at home at the end of the central line!!
Sadly you are quite right.
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I wish we could get some 100% official confirmation of this as I hear a different version of "will he, won't he" nearly every other week!. I'd dread to think where we'd be if we lost him and being a natural pessimist, i fear that this season will be the last one we will be able to call upon his services whenever we want. HOWEVER, putting on my optimistic hat (for once!) then maybe it s a good sign that Nijjar isnt playing as that would indicate the club knows that we WILL still have Harmer next season, as surely, if not, then they should be playing Nijjar at every opportunity to let him develop and get more experience now before he's thrown in at the deep end?!
Sorry, what is more official than the chairman saying it and Simon being one of our overseas for next year. Listen to the forum yourself if you don't believe me.
Ahhh, I see, well that’s that then obviously!
It’s like the dreaded football club chairman giving his manager the vote of confidence!!.....IF England want him and it’s clear that Harmer is desperate to play for England, then they will find a loophole to exploit to get him.
One thing is almost for certain though, he will be (baring injury or Covid!) playing test match cricket next year for one Country or another!
Im not sure SA will pick him, and I dont think England would either, even with Silverwood
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I wish we could get some 100% official confirmation of this as I hear a different version of "will he, won't he" nearly every other week!. I'd dread to think where we'd be if we lost him and being a natural pessimist, i fear that this season will be the last one we will be able to call upon his services whenever we want. HOWEVER, putting on my optimistic hat (for once!) then maybe it s a good sign that Nijjar isnt playing as that would indicate the club knows that we WILL still have Harmer next season, as surely, if not, then they should be playing Nijjar at every opportunity to let him develop and get more experience now before he's thrown in at the deep end?!
Sorry, what is more official than the chairman saying it and Simon being one of our overseas for next year. Listen to the forum yourself if you don't believe me.
Ahhh, I see, well that’s that then obviously!
It’s like the dreaded football club chairman giving his manager the vote of confidence!!.....IF England want him and it’s clear that Harmer is desperate to play for England, then they will find a loophole to exploit to get him.
One thing is almost for certain though, he will be (baring injury or Covid!) playing test match cricket next year for one Country or another!
Im not sure SA will pick him, and I dont think England would either, even with Silverwood
Harmer interviewed on Cricinfo yesterday: 'speaking after the match, he acknowledged that the UK's impending exit from the European Union, and the changes to the Kolpak ruling that that will entail, have effectively ended his chances of qualifying to play for England.
"I think so," he said. "With the Kolpak ruling changing, as far as I know with clarity, the Kolpaks will fall away at the end of the year when England leaves the EU and therefore the door closes.
"I have explored trying to get onto a different visa so that I can have more rights, in terms of buying property and a whole load of other things but I got a very stern no from Alan Fordham at the ECB. As far as I am concerned there is no future there."
Harmer played five Tests for South Africa in 2015 before joining the country's exodus into the ranks of county cricket. However, with his status set to change to that of an overseas player from 2021 onwards, when all counties will be permitted two such registrations, there is still the outside prospect of him being reunited with his former countrymen.'
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Sadly if Simon doesn't get back to Test cricket with SA he may end up like the great Ken McEwan ie eventually quitting FC cricket early as he got tired of travelling up & down this country with no prospect of Test cricket, Ken like Simon played for a trophy winning team but even that isn't always enough.
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Sadly if Simon doesn't get back to Test cricket with SA he may end up like the great Ken McEwan ie eventually quitting FC cricket early as he got tired of travelling up & down this country with no prospect of Test cricket, Ken like Simon played for a trophy winning team but even that isn't always enough.
I expect Harmer earns a fair bit more, thats a great motivator
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My understanding was, not that Ken McEwan "fell out of love" with the game like Barry Richards. It was rather that it was time for him to take over the family farm in South Africa which was going to be where his future was.
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Sadly if Simon doesn't get back to Test cricket with SA he may end up like the great Ken McEwan ie eventually quitting FC cricket early as he got tired of travelling up & down this country with no prospect of Test cricket, Ken like Simon played for a trophy winning team but even that isn't always enough.
I don't think that's right - Kenny himself said in a recent interview that playing for Essex was the best time of his life. He needed t go back home to run the farm as LeedsExile says.
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Fair enough, I stand corrected, Thank You for correcting my inaccuracies.