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Title: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 07, 2020, 02:08:39 PM
Pakistan are looking impressive & as things stand seem to be heading for a convincing victory, although this England team often manage to do the impossible. Praise is continually heaped on Anderson & Broad, & 500+ wickets between them is some achievement, but that doesnít automatically mean they are going to out bowl other sides & I have to say Pakistanís bowling attack looks far more potent in this match. Also, since all the hoo-ha when Archer impressed in the World Cup his threat seems to have diminished. Furthermore is Best really the ďbestĒ spin bowler we can produce. On the batting front we could really do with Root staring to look world class again.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 07, 2020, 03:35:57 PM
I think Anderson needs to go

Id still like to see England give Parkinson a go (but i know he is injured)

Root does not score enough 100s

Buttler is not a test keeper
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 07, 2020, 07:08:09 PM
I bet Stokes winds up as Test captain by the end of the series. I prefer my skippers with a bit of fight in them.

Lawrence needs to improve his bowling if he wants to get ahead of ex-Fat Boy, Adolf and ChapellZ in the top order.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: nat on August 07, 2020, 08:20:55 PM
I bet Stokes winds up as Test captain by the end of the series. I prefer my skippers with a bit of fight in them.

Lawrence needs to improve his bowling if he wants to get ahead of ex-Fat Boy, Adolf and ChapellZ in the top order.
We should call him Lawrence of Suburbia.

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bwildered on August 08, 2020, 10:11:55 AM
England playing catch up cricket yet again, game could go either way, not sure can trust top order to chase 270 .
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 08, 2020, 11:40:02 AM
Lawrence needs to improve his bowling if he wants to get ahead of ex-Fat Boy, Adolf and ChapellZ in the top order.

I expect I am the only one who doesnít follow nick names but who are these three?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 08, 2020, 01:45:33 PM
Lawrence needs to improve his bowling if he wants to get ahead of ex-Fat Boy, Adolf and ChapellZ in the top order.

I expect I am the only one who doesnít follow nick names but who are these three?

Sibley, his opening partner and Zac Chappell (my nod to ChappellI).
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 08, 2020, 06:16:12 PM
What an extraordinary win.A reminder that Test cricket can thrill.

I'd still like to see come changes for the next Test, though. Buttler will cling on to his place, despite some cr*p keeping, but Anderson looks knackered and ineffective and Archer's lost his mojo - time for Mark Wood, and, provided Stokes can bowl, Zak Crawley.

There's also the question of spin - Dom Bess is clearly a talented young cricketer and Butter's misses cost him dear, but he's still a work in progress, too many bad balls. I'd rather play Jack Leach.


Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bwildered on August 08, 2020, 07:29:50 PM
Finally middle order of Buttler and Woakes get much need runs for England, after the wheels came off in the top order . Still unconvinced by both openers.  Only Broad and Woakes to remain of the pace men in the next test with Anderson and Archer rested.  Foakes to get the gloves please Mr Silverwood.
Enthralling  test cricket at its best, just to prove you can still be hundred behind on first innings and get a positive result. Has every cricket fan says, we never make things easy !
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 08, 2020, 08:33:45 PM
So, basically change half the team? I would agree about Foakes because Buttler has cost us runs with the gloves and not consistent with the bat to offset that deficiency. Jimmy may well be rested if Broad and Woakes are fit. I suspect Robinsonís call up is an indication of change in the bowling - someone is carrying an injury and it may be Jimmy. Archer is a conundrum - is he being used correctly? Does the farce over his unplanned trip reflect someone who is not particularly self-aware?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: IlfordEagle on August 08, 2020, 09:12:46 PM
Eng got out of jail from the depths of 117-5 with Buttler at long last getting much needed runs, Woakes batted well  also, it was an excellent day's cricket to watch, such a pity crowds weren't allowed in. Let's hope the other 2 Tests are as good, also credit to Pakistan for playing their part.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 09, 2020, 06:49:48 AM
Sibley, his opening partner and Zac Chappell (my nod to ChappellI).

Still just as confused🤔
I wouldnít be shoe horning in Lawrence for the sake of it but his opportunity will surely come idc.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 09, 2020, 07:00:21 AM
Finally middle order of Buttler and Woakes get much need runs for England, after the wheels came off in the top order . Still unconvinced by both openers.  Only Broad and Woakes to remain of the pace men in the next test with Anderson and Archer rested.  Foakes to get the gloves please Mr Silverwood.
Enthralling  test cricket at its best, just to prove you can still be hundred behind on first innings and get a positive result. Has every cricket fan says, we never make things easy !

Sensible rotation, yes, permanent changes, no. Few of these players are as consistent as we would like & several have technical flaws but they are as good as any at present. I like them as individuals as well which is important. I would not want to lose Buttler but can see a case for playing him as a batsman & Foakes coming in as wicketkeeper but Iím not too bothered about it.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 09, 2020, 09:30:26 AM
Finally middle order of Buttler and Woakes get much need runs for England, after the wheels came off in the top order . Still unconvinced by both openers.  Only Broad and Woakes to remain of the pace men in the next test with Anderson and Archer rested.  Foakes to get the gloves please Mr Silverwood.
Enthralling  test cricket at its best, just to prove you can still be hundred behind on first innings and get a positive result. Has every cricket fan says, we never make things easy !

Sensible rotation, yes, permanent changes, no. Few of these players are as consistent as we would like & several have technical flaws but they are as good as any at present. I like them as individuals as well which is important. I would not want to lose Buttler but can see a case for playing him as a batsman & Foakes coming in as wicketkeeper but Iím not too bothered about it.

I do not think Buttler should be anywhere near the test side, as a batter or keeper.  You cannot tell me he is one of the best 6/7 red Ball batters in England. Let him concentrate on white ball cricket, where he is easily one of the best in the world. I think its shocking Foakes has not had a chance. 
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: squarelegumpire on August 09, 2020, 09:40:25 AM
Sibley, his opening partner and Zac Chappell (my nod to ChappellI).

Still just as confused🤔
I wouldnít be shoe horning in Lawrence for the sake of it but his opportunity will surely come idc.

What concerns me about Lawrence at the moment is his lack of match practice. Reminds me of the way Ashley Cowan was treated on the WI tour and he was never the same again.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 09, 2020, 09:53:15 AM
Finally middle order of Buttler and Woakes get much need runs for England, after the wheels came off in the top order . Still unconvinced by both openers.  Only Broad and Woakes to remain of the pace men in the next test with Anderson and Archer rested.  Foakes to get the gloves please Mr Silverwood.
Enthralling  test cricket at its best, just to prove you can still be hundred behind on first innings and get a positive result. Has every cricket fan says, we never make things easy !

Sensible rotation, yes, permanent changes, no. Few of these players are as consistent as we would like & several have technical flaws but they are as good as any at present. I like them as individuals as well which is important. I would not want to lose Buttler but can see a case for playing him as a batsman & Foakes coming in as wicketkeeper but Iím not too bothered about it.
Resting Archer would be "Sensible rotation" (recall Wood)
Dropping Anderson would be a semi-permanent change.  I think the days where he's an automatic choice have gone

Replace Bess with Leach because Leach is simply a better bowler at the moment, if we have Woakes at number 8, Bess's batting talents are less of a plus

"Still unconvinced by both openers" - I can see no case for dropping either of them. They are both doing better than any of the post-Strauss England openers with the exception of one Sir A Cook.

Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bwildered on August 09, 2020, 10:08:39 AM
Perhaps it's both the openers technic which makes me unconvinced OHB. Got use to more text book variety from Strauss and Sir Chef previously . Like to see Crawley in the side though .
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 09, 2020, 10:58:49 AM
The weird techniques make me a little concerned, especially in the pressure of an Ashes series against quality bowling. This series will perhaps test them better than against the Windies.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 09, 2020, 11:00:09 AM
I bet Stokes winds up as Test captain by the end of the series. I prefer my skippers with a bit of fight in them.

Lawrence needs to improve his bowling if he wants to get ahead of ex-Fat Boy, Adolf and ChapellZ in the top order.
We should call him Lawrence of Suburbia.

I'll get my coat.

Very funny, Nat.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 09, 2020, 11:36:06 AM
Perhaps it's both the openers technic which makes me unconvinced OHB. Got use to more text book variety from Strauss and Sir Chef previously . Like to see Crawley in the side though .
Agree on getting Zak C back at 3. He's certainly got a more classic technique that Burns or Sibley, who knows, he may end up opening in place of one of them.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bwildered on August 09, 2020, 01:29:55 PM
Think that Burns does not play with the full face enough and Sibley too bottom handed, two walking wickets for the Aussies .
Announced that Stokes wil be unavailable in the next two tests, so time to put Crawley in at No3 .
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: IlfordEagle on August 09, 2020, 08:41:08 PM
Crawley certainly needs to come back especially as Stokes is out for both remaining Tests, the openers are the best we have in Eng (obviously barring Ally!!), Burns has done better than many recent predecessors, Sibley too is not easy on the eye but has the ability to stick around, if they are discarded then what options are there?
Re Buttler, he should certainly play in white ball but despite yesterday he still shouldn't play in red ball especially as a keeper, Foakes surely must get the nod soon.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 10, 2020, 02:56:36 AM
Too true. They are far too protective of England players. Itís ridiculous that once they get anywhere near the England team what got them there, playing for their county, is disregarded, especially when the county in question provides the best possible playing environment. On the Buttler question, he contributed far more to the win than the much lauded Root & that was not a one off! As Iíve said before, Iím relieved that some of our supporters donít select the test team.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 10, 2020, 06:40:57 AM
Too true. They are far too protective of England players. Itís ridiculous that one they get anywhere near the team what got them there, playing for their county is disregarded, especially when the county in question provides the best possible playing environment. On the Buttler question, he contributed far more to the win than the much lauded Root & that was not a one off! As Iíve said before, Iím relieved that some of our supporters donít select the test team.

If Buttler had contributed a little more with his keeping, the total we chased may not have been as big!!!
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 10, 2020, 08:02:25 AM
Too true. They are far too protective of England players. Itís ridiculous that one they get anywhere near the team what got them there, playing for their county is disregarded, especially when the county in question provides the best possible playing environment. On the Buttler question, he contributed far more to the win than the much lauded Root & that was not a one off! As Iíve said before, Iím relieved that some of our supporters donít select the test team.

If Buttler had contributed a little more with his keeping, the total we chased may not have been as big!!!

Most keepers have occasional poor games but as Iíve said Iím not against playing him as a batsman & bringing in Foakes.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 10, 2020, 08:13:56 AM
Too true. They are far too protective of England players. Itís ridiculous that one they get anywhere near the team what got them there, playing for their county is disregarded, especially when the county in question provides the best possible playing environment. On the Buttler question, he contributed far more to the win than the much lauded Root & that was not a one off! As Iíve said before, Iím relieved that some of our supporters donít select the test team.

If Buttler had contributed a little more with his keeping, the total we chased may not have been as big!!!

Most keepers have occasional poor games but as Iíve said Iím not against playing him as a batsman & bringing in Foakes.

Do you really think he is one of the best 6 batters England have available??
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 10, 2020, 12:02:37 PM
If the Alastair Cook of 2020 is the best we've got, then we then we are in trouble!
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Perov on August 10, 2020, 12:40:06 PM
If the Alastair Cook of 2020 is the best we've got, then we then we are in trouble!

Sir Alistair has been unlucky with two dodgy LBW decisions in consecutive matches.

Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 10, 2020, 12:58:23 PM
If the Alastair Cook of 2020 is the best we've got, then we then we are in trouble!

Sir Alistair has been unlucky with two dodgy LBW decisions in consecutive matches.

He admitted himself that once bowlers worked out their lineís against him his days were numbered at the top level. Great player, but more limited than Gooch who became able to take on the best (albeit once he reached his mid 30s) being able to play pace and spin, building patient inningsí and/or flaying the bowling in a run chase.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bwildered on August 10, 2020, 07:32:28 PM
Due to family bereavement Dan Lawrence has left the England bubble .
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 10, 2020, 07:43:15 PM
Due to family bereavement Dan Lawrence has left the England bubble .
Sad to hear the news today. Seems like the batting won't change much. Maybe Crawley in, but unless Jimmy or Jofra are in a sulk expect an unchanged seam attack.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 10, 2020, 10:12:37 PM
Do you really think he is one of the best 6 batters England have available??

On his day - yes - and judging by yesterday he has the temperament. He also has the ability to take games away from the opposition, though I agree it doesnít happen often enough. Most of his challengers for a batting position, with the possible exception of Lawrence, are also one day specialists with similar baggage.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 11, 2020, 05:58:43 AM
Do you really think he is one of the best 6 batters England have available??

On his day - yes - and judging by yesterday he has the temperament. He also has the ability to take games away from the opposition, though I agree it doesnít happen often enough. Most of his challengers for a batting position, with the possible exception of Lawrence, are also one day specialists with similar baggage.

Buttler has 1 Test hundred in 80 innings, and 6 FC hundreds in 179 innings. He averages around 30 in FC cricket.  No doubt he can pop up with the odd decent score, but you cant have a top 6 batter who may come off every now and then. How often is Buttlers day??
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: squarelegumpire on August 11, 2020, 05:59:04 AM
Due to family bereavement Dan Lawrence has left the England bubble .

Very sad for him, and sounds as though he'll need time to grieve, but at least it might change the cycle.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 11, 2020, 06:26:20 AM
Due to family bereavement Dan Lawrence has left the England bubble .
Sad to hear the news today. Seems like the batting won't change much. Maybe Crawley in, but unless Jimmy or Jofra are in a sulk expect an unchanged seam attack.
Crawley in is a no-brainer now Stokes & Lawrence are unavailable.  But I expect changes in the attack, I'll be surprised if Anderson plays, and unless the pitch looks very helpful to spinners, I suspect  Bess will miss out. Ollie Robinson's in the squad but I can't see him playing ahead of  Wood & Curran.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 11, 2020, 06:53:53 AM
I cant see us playing 5 seamers though. My guess

Sibley
Burns
Crawley
Root
Pope
Buttler
Woakes
Bess
Broad
Archer
Wood
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 21, 2020, 05:56:57 PM
Another good innings by Butler. Certainly justifying his selection. Also really pleased to see Crawley come of age.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: IlfordEagle on August 21, 2020, 06:14:13 PM
Crawley doing so well, which incidentally I am really pleased with as he looks a good player, doesn't bode well for Lawrence's Eng chances in the short term unless one of the top 3 falls badly out of form (Burns is having a bit of a 'mare at present though) in which case Lawrence may get a chance although James Bracey may also be in the frame.
Lawrence must therefore keep scoring big runs & up his consistency levels.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bwildered on August 21, 2020, 06:37:14 PM
Unbeaten two hundred run partnership between Crawley and Buttler should result in at least a draw, which would therefore seal the series .
Congratulations Zak Crawley on his maiden test ton, and surprisingly only had three centuries previously. England have missed a decent reliable No3 since Trott, so let's hope he can fill this key position for the future.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: mawallace on August 21, 2020, 06:59:41 PM
Due to family bereavement Dan Lawrence has left the England bubble .

Very sad for him, and sounds as though he'll need time to grieve, but at least it might change the cycle.

The Emgland players were wearing black armbands today,  as a mark of respect to Dan Lawrence,  as it was his mother who died.

I thought that this was a lovely touch as Dan has not featured in the England team
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: squarelegumpire on August 21, 2020, 07:46:53 PM
Due to family bereavement Dan Lawrence has left the England bubble .

Very sad for him, and sounds as though he'll need time to grieve, but at least it might change the cycle.

The Emgland players were wearing black armbands today,  as a mark of respect to Dan Lawrence,  as it was his mother who died.

I thought that this was a lovely touch as Dan has not featured in the England team

Seconded.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bwildered on August 22, 2020, 01:59:36 PM
Crawley & Buttler , gone past previous highest fifth wicket stand of 255 held by T Greig and KWR Fletcher .

Crawley now passed double hundred , wonder how many players have a highest score set in test cricket ( apart from Goochie ).
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: essexfan548 on August 22, 2020, 03:24:12 PM
Isn't Chef's highest score in a Test match too?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Slogger on August 22, 2020, 03:46:53 PM
Hussain too, I think?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 22, 2020, 03:57:39 PM
Due to family bereavement Dan Lawrence has left the England bubble .

Very sad for him, and sounds as though he'll need time to grieve, but at least it might change the cycle.

The Emgland players were wearing black armbands today,  as a mark of respect to Dan Lawrence,  as it was his mother who died.

I thought that this was a lovely touch as Dan has not featured in the England team

Yes. Sad to hear that it was Danís mum.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bobw on August 22, 2020, 08:08:05 PM
Crawley & Buttler , gone past previous highest fifth wicket stand of 255 held by T Greig and KWR Fletcher .

Crawley now passed double hundred , wonder how many players have a highest score set in test cricket ( apart from Goochie ).

There will be more and more with their highest score in test cricket. With central contracts a number of players will only play test cricket once thet establish themselves in the team, so will not have the chance to score runs, or get wickets, elsewhere.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 23, 2020, 05:35:24 PM
I canít say I follow the logic of your argument. Some brilliant wicket keeping on display from Buttler to add to his excellent batting.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 23, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
I canít say I follow the logic of your argument. Some brilliant wicket keeping on display from Buttler to add to his excellent batting.

I think that he means as central contracted players tend to play little first class cricket outside of the Test arena it is more likely that their highest score will be made for the test team.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 23, 2020, 10:15:15 PM
Okay, but they have been centrally contracted for 20 years.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 24, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
Okay, but they have been centrally contracted for 20 years.

But there werenít as many contracted back then and those who received them had played a few seasons of non-stop county/test/odi cricket. There are more white ball tournaments during the county season as well donít forget.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: nat on August 24, 2020, 12:22:03 PM
Okay, but they have been centrally contracted for 20 years.

What was England's Test match ranking then and now?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 24, 2020, 01:49:52 PM
A good match from Buttler.  Followed up his good innings previously.  Im still sceptical but you've got to give credit where its due.  He needs to keep this standard up though
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: LeedsExile on August 24, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Have you seen the catch he dropped this morning? Routine and he did not even get a glove on it. He is not a natural keeper by a longshot. Ben Foakes got a century today too.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 24, 2020, 03:38:52 PM
Have you seen the catch he dropped this morning? Routine and he did not even get a glove on it. He is not a natural keeper by a longshot. Ben Foakes got a century today too.
Took 2 excellent catches yesterday, then misses a routine one. Sorry, Meatloaf, but 2 out of 3 isn't good enough for a Test keeper.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 24, 2020, 04:15:02 PM
Have you seen the catch he dropped this morning? Routine and he did not even get a glove on it. He is not a natural keeper by a longshot. Ben Foakes got a century today too.

I didnt see it as it goes.  Like I said, Im still sceptical but until the dropped catch he has had a good game
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 24, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
According to Matt Prior the ball wobbled late & caught him out. It was an understandable miss.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: LeedsExile on August 24, 2020, 07:23:55 PM
I don't think Mr Anderson would agree with you.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 24, 2020, 08:33:35 PM
According to Matt Prior the ball wobbled late & caught him out. It was an understandable miss.

Mmm looked pretty straight forward to me no massive or late movement but didn't get his gloves at the right level. I would like to see Foakes have a run with the gloves. Trouble is that they are set to keep the openers together, Zak at 3 given the double century, Pope also is up and coming, so when Stokes is back they would have to drop Buttler who has been consist maybe rest Root and give Stokes the captaincy. Ideally Archer and Bess would show a bit more gumption with the bat
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: nat on August 24, 2020, 09:08:08 PM
According to Matt Prior the ball wobbled late & caught him out. It was an understandable miss.

Mmm looked pretty straight forward to me no massive or late movement but didn't get his gloves at the right level. I would like to see Foakes have a run with the gloves. Trouble is that they are set to keep the openers together, Zak at 3 given the double century, Pope also is up and coming, so when Stokes is back they would have to drop Buttler who has been consist maybe rest Root and give Stokes the captaincy. Ideally Archer and Bess would show a bit more gumption with the bat

I never saw Foster or Alan Knott drop a catch like that.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: vim on August 25, 2020, 05:28:20 AM
He dropped it because it wobbled. With the next one they will be saying he shaked it to see if it rattled.



Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Bath Hammer on August 25, 2020, 06:31:15 AM
I have to say Iím more inclined to listen to the views of an experienced wicket keeper like Matt Pryer who had no axe to grind.  His views were supported by Dominic Cork & Mark Butcher on woblegate Furthermore, Iíve seen Foakes from quite catchable chances whilst playing for England. Iím pleased to say, though, that thereís no talk of bringing back Johnny Bairstow who threw his toys out of the pram when excluded. Anderson & Broad did the same & were re-selected, maybe justifiably, but it isnít something I like to see.
On another matter, isnít Archer looking pretty innocuous.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 25, 2020, 07:57:36 AM
I agree about Bairstow. I think England should have been harder with him.  Wanted to keep wicket but his batting went downhill massively.  They should have told him to forget the gloves and sort out his batting.  Archer just needs time.  I think he is one of those players that responds better to an arm round the shoulder rather than grief from the press etc.  Got to stick with him
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 25, 2020, 01:18:29 PM
According to Matt Prior the ball wobbled late & caught him out. It was an understandable miss.

Mmm looked pretty straight forward to me no massive or late movement but didn't get his gloves at the right level. I would like to see Foakes have a run with the gloves. Trouble is that they are set to keep the openers together, Zak at 3 given the double century, Pope also is up and coming, so when Stokes is back they would have to drop Buttler who has been consist maybe rest Root and give Stokes the captaincy. Ideally Archer and Bess would show a bit more gumption with the bat

I never saw Foster or Alan Knott drop a catch like that.

We were spoiled with Fossie, though. Should Butler have a word with him?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: LeedsExile on August 25, 2020, 01:23:32 PM
Foster is in the England bubble in some capacity but Bruce French is still around too.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 25, 2020, 01:35:44 PM
Foster is in the England bubble in some capacity but Bruce French is still around too.

Presumably French is teaching heading practice?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: IlfordEagle on August 25, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Congrats to Jimmy Anderson for reaching 600, a tremendous achievement! He wants to carry on & fair enough but his workload will need managing very closely as well as his fitness.
I would be very surprised if he plays for Lancs much more & certainly no more than 2/3 FC games per season.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: nat on August 25, 2020, 09:01:48 PM
Congrats to Jimmy Anderson for reaching 600, a tremendous achievement! He wants to carry on & fair enough but his workload will need managing very closely as well as his fitness.
I would be very surprised if he plays for Lancs much more & certainly no more than 2/3 FC games per season.

That's all he does now. At that rate he could play until he is 50!
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: honkytonk on August 26, 2020, 06:37:19 AM
Id give him the winter off, wouldnt take him to india or SL
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: bwildered on August 26, 2020, 10:18:19 AM
Despite everything a entertaining Test series throughout the summer . Made even more so with England losing the first test against  Windies and having to play catch up.
Looks like Silverwood is gradually piecing together a decent squad of players. Bess, Pope and Crawley need to get games in .
Think Jimmi needs twenty five more wickets for 1,000 first class ?? 
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 26, 2020, 12:02:30 PM
Agreed Bwildered.  A far better summer of Test cricket than I'd expected a few months ago, and encouraging signs of progress from England. A fantastic effort by those who've made it possible, both on and off the field.

As for what comes next..... I haven't got a scooby. But a joke doing the rounds on Twitter says it all:

Speaker to (socially distanced) crowd: "If you believe everything will go back to normal after the Covid-19 crisis is over, please raise you right hand  ....(long pause).... now slap yourself with it"

It's as true for cricket as everything else. If the Times was correct in saying that all  the counties will be looking at a 15-20% cut in funding next year, there are going to be big changes well beyond a lot of players' contracts not being renewed and staff being made redundant.
I fear that not all 18 counties will survive  - some have been cash-strapped for years (e.g. Northants, Leicester & Derbys), and Durham nearly went under. And, much as it pains me, I see a lot less County first-class cricket being played in the future. Maybe regionally-based 6 team conferences playing each other twice a season is as good as it's going to get.  I hope I'm wrong.

Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: nat on August 26, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
if you wish away several first class counties then it will become a self fulfilling prophecy. A reduction in playing squads and backroom staff including the bloated ECB is by far the least worst option.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 26, 2020, 01:27:04 PM
if you wish away several first class counties then it will become a self fulfilling prophecy. A reduction in playing squads and backroom staff including the bloated ECB is by far the least worst option.
I'm not wishing anyone away. It's just pounds, shillings &pence. Counties on the financial breadline are going to struggle to deal with 15-20% less cash, even if the cricket world returns to something like normality next summer and that's a very big "if"
I've no knowledge of how "bloated" the ECB is. I do know, however, it's always very easy to just say "cut the backroom staff" - a lot easier than actually doing it.
 
A substantial number of businesses, theatres & restaurants have already closed permanently or are on the verge of it - do you really think the cricket world is so different it can defy financial gravity?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: LeedsExile on August 26, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
A few years ago the ECB had reserves of £80m. Then Graves and Harrison conspired to squander most of it so that less than £10m remains. This is the real reason for Cricket's parlous state. Why does no one hold them to account?
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: essexfan548 on August 26, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
Did anyone hear George Dobell talk about Colin Graves yesterday? Wow ... I hope his ears are burning.

The celebration of Jimmy's 600 included a clip of Chef saying well done but he'd had got them quicker if he'd been there at slip  ;D
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: oldhasbeen on August 26, 2020, 03:44:18 PM
A few years ago the ECB had reserves of £80m. Then Graves and Harrison conspired to squander most of it so that less than £10m remains. This is the real reason for Cricket's parlous state. Why does no one hold them to account?
Ouch!
Big question: where did the money go? Let's try to find out a bit.
I'm going to start a new thread on County Cricket's Finances, hopefully a few people will contribute.

Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: nat on August 26, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
A few years ago the ECB had reserves of £80m. Then Graves and Harrison conspired to squander most of it so that less than £10m remains. This is the real reason for Cricket's parlous state. Why does no one hold them to account?

Because there are too many snouts in the trough.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: IlfordEagle on August 26, 2020, 04:27:34 PM
Quite an enjoyable series played without any real controversy & aggro which hasn't always been the case with Pakistan. Great credit to Pakistan for coming over & like the WI before them we owe them an away Series asap & a good deal of Thanks.
Title: Re: Eng v Pakistan
Post by: Andy on August 26, 2020, 06:56:40 PM
Quite an enjoyable series played without any real controversy & aggro which hasn't always been the case with Pakistan. Great credit to Pakistan for coming over & like the WI before them we owe them an away Series asap & a good deal of Thanks.
Agreed a blessed relief to have something normal I think these abnormal times.