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Title: Dan Lawernce
Post by: mawallace on November 09, 2019, 03:10:29 PM
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16 Nov - Bangla Tigers v Deccan Gladiators - 15 off 8 balls - n/out
18 Nov - Karnataka Tuskers v Deccan Gladiators - 11 runs off 6 balls, caught
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23 Nov - Bangla Tigers v Deccan Gladiators - 33 runs off 13 balls, plus 2 runs off 1 over bowling
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Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: nat on November 09, 2019, 04:24:45 PM
Playing in the Deccan Gladiators for the T10 league from Nov 15th

Playing for the Deccan Gladiators in the T10 league from Nov 15th. There I've sorted it out for you.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: bobw on February 04, 2020, 10:06:14 AM
Having a good lions trip.  50 and a wicket in the first match followed by 35 and a four-fer
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Postman on February 04, 2020, 10:35:04 AM
Having a good lions trip.  50 and a wicket in the first match followed by 35 and a four-fer

Also Man of the Match in the second game. Interesting to see he has bowled a full allocation in both games so far.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Daren Mootoo on February 04, 2020, 12:14:22 PM
Dan de Lion!
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: squarelegumpire on February 15, 2020, 07:14:32 AM
Century for England Lions vs Cricket Australia XI
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: LeedsExile on February 15, 2020, 08:38:59 AM
Dan's form is gaining a lot of attention. One pundit had him in his test squad for Sri Lanka. That did not happen but he must be getting close to a call up if his form continues. It is beginning to look like Essex have a middle order crisis looming. Bopara gone, Lawrence with Lions/England and RTD probably in his last season. No longer captain and rarely bowling RTD needs a stack of runs to maintain his place. Who is in the wings to fill the gaps?
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: nat on February 15, 2020, 12:11:01 PM
Dan's form is gaining a lot of attention. One pundit had him in his test squad for Sri Lanka. That did not happen but he must be getting close to a call up if his form continues. It is beginning to look like Essex have a middle order crisis looming. Bopara gone, Lawrence with Lions/England and RTD probably in his last season. No longer captain and rarely bowling RTD needs a stack of runs to maintain his place. Who is in the wings to fill the gaps?

Pepper, Patel, Khushi, Buttleman, Walter.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: LeedsExile on February 15, 2020, 02:44:42 PM
Of those listed Nat, who do have confidence in?
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: essexfan548 on February 15, 2020, 03:07:40 PM
Patel looked out of his depth against Notts last summer ...

None of them are ready for a run in the first team from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: nat on February 15, 2020, 05:27:45 PM
Of those listed Nat, who do have confidence in?

None of them. However they are full time professionals who have played in the 2XI for some time. If they are not good enough they should be replaced. 2020 will be big year for all of them.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Left Field on February 15, 2020, 08:04:18 PM
Dan's form is gaining a lot of attention. One pundit had him in his test squad for Sri Lanka. That did not happen but he must be getting close to a call up if his form continues. It is beginning to look like Essex have a middle order crisis looming. Bopara gone, Lawrence with Lions/England and RTD probably in his last season. No longer captain and rarely bowling RTD needs a stack of runs to maintain his place. Who is in the wings to fill the gaps?
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Can't see where there's a vacancy in England's middle order. Not only will he have to play well and keep it up. It has to coincide with players in England's team losing form. If Root plays for Yorkshire in April ? It's a massive game for any of our players that want to play for England.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: neil on February 16, 2020, 12:02:20 AM
Patel looked out of his depth against Notts last summer ...

None of them are ready for a run in the first team from what I've seen.

Patel looked okay to me against Surrey

We really do have to give them a run in the team if we believe in them. We have certainly done that with the bowlers

Bowlers can get away with the  odd mistake. For batters - one mistake and out
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: JasonP on February 16, 2020, 12:05:12 AM
Dan's form is gaining a lot of attention. One pundit had him in his test squad for Sri Lanka. That did not happen but he must be getting close to a call up if his form continues. It is beginning to look like Essex have a middle order crisis looming. Bopara gone, Lawrence with Lions/England and RTD probably in his last season. No longer captain and rarely bowling RTD needs a stack of runs to maintain his place. Who is in the wings to fill the gaps?

Pepper, Patel, Khushi, Buttleman, Walter.

Chopra as well.  I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was given a go in the middle order.  I’m not a fan but perhaps he may do better away from the new ball?
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: IlfordEagle on February 16, 2020, 04:52:20 PM
When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: neil on February 16, 2020, 05:48:21 PM
When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.

Yes

And the fans have to show patience, too.

We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Andy on February 16, 2020, 09:02:27 PM
When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.

Yes

And the fans have to show patience, too.

We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way

We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: nat on February 16, 2020, 10:40:17 PM
When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.

Yes

And the fans have to show patience, too.

We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way

We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Trouble is...you'll be grinning from afar while we'll be bearing it at the ground. We should be expecting Essex to be competitive from the get go.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: neil on February 17, 2020, 06:12:55 AM
When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.

Yes

And the fans have to show patience, too.

We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way

We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Trouble is...you'll be grinning from afar while we'll be bearing it at the ground. We should be expecting Essex to be competitive from the get go.

There is nothing to say we won't be competitive. Just that we are in transition so there may be some ups and downs

Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Perov on February 17, 2020, 07:01:09 AM
There is much more satisfaction in seeing home grown talent succeed, than importing  an overseas mercenary.  I think we will still be competitive,  and won games when Bopara was dropped last season.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: bobw on February 17, 2020, 09:07:13 AM
When I've seen Patel he seems to have the strokes, we can't expect him to be an overnight success, Khushi too apparently has ability (only really seen him in T20 & occasional Tourist game), if they get the chance they need to grab it & also Coaching team need to show belief & some patience.

Yes

And the fans have to show patience, too.

We are in a period of transition so everything will not go our way

We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Trouble is...you'll be grinning from afar while we'll be bearing it at the ground. We should be expecting Essex to be competitive from the get go.

There is nothing to say we won't be competitive. Just that we are in transition so there may be some ups and downs

I would rather be in transition as county champions than doing so at the foot of div2
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Andy on February 17, 2020, 10:43:55 AM
We are also in a period whereby there are plenty of more attractive options than ECCC for talent that might have been imported from overseas or at least from another county. Hence we will have to grin and bear it with our home grown players.
Trouble is...you'll be grinning from afar while we'll be bearing it at the ground. We should be expecting Essex to be competitive from the get go.

I won't 'be grinning' at all.

I've not expected us to do anywhere near as well as we have in the past 3 seasons.  Back when we made changes in captain, chairman and coach I wanted us to show signs of improvement - to compete for promotion.  When we won promotion, I wanted us to 'consolidate' (i.e. not drop straight back down as before).  In the event, we won D2 then went on to win D1 twice and the T20. 

I just fail to see where we can buy in talent - this is not the 1980s when we could pick up disaffected home players and get pretty much the pick of the overseas talent.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Valentines Park on February 17, 2020, 02:04:12 PM

Patel looked okay to me against Surrey


Me too.

Rather him than Chopra.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: nat on February 17, 2020, 04:04:32 PM

Patel looked okay to me against Surrey


Me too.

Rather him than Chopra.
So you're easily satisfied by a flashy 30.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: neil on February 17, 2020, 04:29:15 PM

Patel looked okay to me against Surrey


Me too.

Rather him than Chopra.
So you're easily satisfied by a flashy 30.

Nope

I was impressed with his range of shots and temperament

He is learning and will learn more by being given a run in the first eleven. He won't be helped by sniping from the sidelines
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Andy on February 17, 2020, 05:09:59 PM
Has anyone noticed that Dan Lawrence scored 190 against the Aussies?  Now, cue Nat's scathing dismissal of the bowling attack...
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: nat on February 17, 2020, 06:06:28 PM
Has anyone noticed that Dan Lawrence scored 190 against the Aussies?  Now, cue Nat's scathing dismissal of the bowling attack...

I never do that. However I note that Jennings got a big ton and even Gregory got runs against that bowling.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: bwildered on February 17, 2020, 07:50:12 PM
Dan needs a shed full of runs to break into the new  Silverwood set up . Perhaps at present a 50 over side is the only option, and that with a few overs to bowl if required , do that and you never known. 
Runs by top order has taken pressure in the middle order in the Test side and given the power in 20/20 side, eg scoring 200 plus chasing , looks unlikely.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: ytsejam1 on February 17, 2020, 08:35:38 PM
The success of the past three seasons have been beyond my wildest dreams to be honest and I don’t think anyone (apart no doubt from the usual clueless bookies and the “super fans”) will really be expecting anything like the repeat of them this coming season.
It’s most definitely a time of transition coming up and patience is needed to give the youngsters a real chance to see if they are good enough. Trouble is, if they are not, then I dread to think where we go in 2021 when we will also most likely be without The Chef, Tendo and most crucially, an “England qualified” Harmer!
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: nat on February 17, 2020, 09:05:40 PM
The success of the past three seasons have been beyond my wildest dreams to be honest and I don’t think anyone (apart no doubt from the usual clueless bookies and the “super fans”) will really be expecting anything like the repeat of them this coming season.
It’s most definitely a time of transition coming up and patience is needed to give the youngsters a real chance to see if they are good enough. Trouble is, if they are not, then I dread to think where we go in 2021 when we will also most likely be without The Chef, Tendo and most crucially, an “England qualified” Harmer!
Exactly. Team recruitment is being driven by finance at the moment. The club is not rich and is falling further behind many counties, not least the likes of Somerset (take a look at their finances). The team has massively over-performed in recent years primarily off the backs of a few players, RTD, Harmer, Porter, Masters. The trick is to manage how the team evolves to ensure continued success or at least continued competitiveness. I don't see that managed evolution happening at the moment. If I'm correct then there is a high risk the team will decline very rapidly.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: neil on February 17, 2020, 09:28:42 PM
The success of the past three seasons have been beyond my wildest dreams to be honest and I don’t think anyone (apart no doubt from the usual clueless bookies and the “super fans”) will really be expecting anything like the repeat of them this coming season.
It’s most definitely a time of transition coming up and patience is needed to give the youngsters a real chance to see if they are good enough. Trouble is, if they are not, then I dread to think where we go in 2021 when we will also most likely be without The Chef, Tendo and most crucially, an “England qualified” Harmer!

Lots of ifs and buts

Harmer, himself, reckons it is a long shot that he will get to play for England. Cook is contracted until end of 2021 and who knows what Tendo will do - he might find freedom in not being captain

Might well be two overseas next season so Harmer (if not England qualified) plus a batter?

But you are right - patience will be needed. I hope this message board remembers that.
Title: Re: Dan Lawrence
Post by: essexfan548 on February 18, 2020, 06:12:46 PM
Dan got three wickets and bowled 26.2 overs!

Awarded man of the match [see Essex website] ... it's great to see him doing well :)
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: squarelegumpire on February 18, 2020, 07:49:39 PM
The success of the past three seasons have been beyond my wildest dreams to be honest and I don’t think anyone (apart no doubt from the usual clueless bookies and the “super fans”) will really be expecting anything like the repeat of them this coming season.
It’s most definitely a time of transition coming up and patience is needed to give the youngsters a real chance to see if they are good enough. Trouble is, if they are not, then I dread to think where we go in 2021 when we will also most likely be without The Chef, Tendo and most crucially, an “England qualified” Harmer!

Some of our colleagues patient...... February’s joke of the month!

Lots of ifs and buts

Harmer, himself, reckons it is a long shot that he will get to play for England. Cook is contracted until end of 2021 and who knows what Tendo will do - he might find freedom in not being captain

Might well be two overseas next season so Harmer (if not England qualified) plus a batter?

But you are right - patience will be needed. I hope this message board remembers that.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Andy on February 19, 2020, 05:06:57 PM
Exactly. Team recruitment is being driven by finance at the moment. The club is not rich and is falling further behind many counties, not least the likes of Somerset (take a look at their finances). The team has massively over-performed in recent years primarily off the backs of a few players, RTD, Harmer, Porter, Masters. The trick is to manage how the team evolves to ensure continued success or at least continued competitiveness. I don't see that managed evolution happening at the moment. If I'm correct then there is a high risk the team will decline very rapidly.

What do you mean by 'managed evolution'?  The club has given contracts to, and then released, a few younger players who've had limited opportunities. Either they won't make it, or the club has been a little premature.

Apart from that, the club hasn't splashed cash on overseas talent - presumably because we haven't got that sort of money or aren't prepared to go out on a limb (as we apparently can't balance the books at the moment after winning a number of trophies over the past 3 seasons). Gloucestershire have hired a star bat, should we have done the same?  or could we have done the same?
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: LeedsExile on February 20, 2020, 08:03:44 AM
Pujara is not a "star bat" in early english conditions. His record is awful. I have seen his struggles for Yorkshire. I do not understand on what basis Glos have also signed Jerome Taylor on a three year deal. He played recently as an overseas in the T20 for Somerset.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: Andy on February 20, 2020, 11:15:31 AM
Pujara is not a "star bat" in early english conditions. His record is awful. I have seen his struggles for Yorkshire. I do not understand on what basis Glos have also signed Jerome Taylor on a three year deal. He played recently as an overseas in the T20 for Somerset.

Well, I hope you're right as we don't want Glous leapfrogging over us!  However, it goes to show how difficult it can be to get an overseas star that will perform well for a county - we've had a few 'Lulu's' in our time. 
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: bobw on February 22, 2020, 03:17:29 PM
Dan follows up his good form with another ton on the first day of the A test.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: honkytonk on February 22, 2020, 04:37:00 PM
RE Harmer, if he is one of two overseas players in future, could he not just go back to playing for SA (and Essex)?
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: LeedsExile on February 22, 2020, 07:18:35 PM
That would be too simple! Unfortunately their quota system leads them to pick Maharaj instead. It is beginning too look like Lawrence might be next in line for a test call up. Tom Westley might be unfortunate in inheriting a team in transition.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: mawallace on March 01, 2020, 10:17:56 AM
Dan gets quite a mention on this weeks Wisden Weekly Cricket Podcast. They make a fair assessment of where he is at at the moment
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: essexfan548 on March 01, 2020, 10:54:54 AM
There's this article from the podcast: https://www.wisden.com/stories/podcast/dan-lawrence-england-lions-podcast
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: bwildered on March 01, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Has his own organic style . New style too me !!
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: mawallace on March 05, 2020, 01:16:13 PM
Interesting article -

https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/banner/dan_lawrence_ecb_performance_director_mo_bobat_england_lions_ashes.html
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: essexfan548 on March 05, 2020, 05:02:01 PM
This article too about Dan makes interesting reading:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28836089/technical-tweaks-trigger-dan-lawrence-stellar-england-lions-form
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: bobw on March 05, 2020, 08:57:47 PM
I have never understood the need for a trigger movement. if you need to move as the ball is bowled then you have the wrong guard or are standing too far/not far enough in your crease.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: nat on March 05, 2020, 09:42:40 PM
I have never understood the need for a trigger movement. if you need to move as the ball is bowled then you have the wrong guard or are standing too far/not far enough in your crease.

It is to get your body moving in preparation for receiving the ball (either hitting it or leaving it). Some/many players find it difficult to stand still and then react quickly enough once the ball is bowled.

I'll send you my invoice for this coaching advice.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: bobw on March 06, 2020, 08:55:07 AM
I have never understood the need for a trigger movement. if you need to move as the ball is bowled then you have the wrong guard or are standing too far/not far enough in your crease.

It is to get your body moving in preparation for receiving the ball (either hitting it or leaving it). Some/many players find it difficult to stand still and then react quickly enough once the ball is bowled.

I'll send you my invoice for this coaching advice.

But the problem is you then have a moving ball and a moving head. The eyes can not track the ball, especially with fast bowling, well enough to ensure getting in line and timing of the shot.
Title: Re: Dan Lawernce
Post by: essexfan548 on March 06, 2020, 09:28:23 AM
bobw - don't encourage nat or he will be billing the website!