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Off-Topic => 100 Ball Franchise => Topic started by: nat on April 19, 2018, 01:03:54 PM
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We now have the '100 ball' competition with 16 x 6 ball overs and a 10 ball final over. Looks like it will become reality.
Loving the comments on the BBC news item.
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it will happen though.
the end of county cricket as we know it is nigh.
the a-hole's graves and Harrison have done it.
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We've had death bowling so welcome flogged to death bowling.
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We now have the '100 ball' competition with 16 x 6 ball overs and a 10 ball final over. Looks like it will become reality.
Loving the comments on the BBC news item.
Hate to be pedantic but 16 times 6 plus 10 = ?
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Fifteen , six ball overs. Plus the final ten baller supplied by ACB .
Perhaps one of the main sponsors will be Ofsted .
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Hands up all those bowlers who want to bowl the final over.
Lynda and Steve
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Guess that some white ball specialists will require a extra bonus to bowl the extra deliveries .
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It's been great reading all the comments on social media and on newspaper websites. Obviously this slog fest is not designed for proper cricket watchers so please call it something else other than cricket ... such as ...
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baseball.
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Bit of an insult to baseball methinks
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As usual the ECB have shown a complete lack of imagination. Here are a few things they could have tried.
Designated Superstar - as the new competition is going to be choc full of world cricket superstars it would be really unfortunate if,after your long journey to the Oval, the said superstar was out first ball. So lets allow each team one designated superstar whom the opposition have to get out twice. This will appeal to traditionalists as W.G Grace once pulled this trick.
Play the whole squad -let teams play their best 11 batsmen when batting and swap them out for fielders and bowlers when fielding. No more pesky collapses to spoil the six fest.
Clown Outfits - Play in clown outfits this will appeal to the young family audiences whilst allowing players to represent the true spirit of their Lords and Masters at the ECB.
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As usual the ECB have shown a complete lack of imagination. Here are a few things they could have tried.
Designated Superstar - as the new competition is going to be choc full of world cricket superstars it would be really unfortunate if,after your long journey to the Oval, the said superstar was out first ball. So lets allow each team one designated superstar whom the opposition have to get out twice. This will appeal to traditionalists as W.G Grace once pulled this trick.
Play the whole squad -let teams play their best 11 batsmen when batting and swap them out for fielders and bowlers when fielding. No more pesky collapses to spoil the six fest.
Clown Outfits - Play in clown outfits this will appeal to the young family audiences whilst allowing players to represent the true spirit of their Lords and Masters at the ECB.
You missed the obligatory scantily-clad dancers: presumably Nat and VP are available again?
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I'm reminded of the phrase ...
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I'm off to join the circus so that I can work with some real clowns.
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Even by the ECB standards this has to be the most stupid, short sighted idea yet!! How the hell are yet another new audience going to be attracted by this & yes I agree it isn't cricket, well not as we know it!!
I hope this gets thrown out by the Counties & everybody else.
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Just picture the scene at the Lord's meeting.
County Chairmen: This 100 ball idea is a joke, we can't vote for that!
Graves: If you do, we will bung you £1.3 million quid.
County Chairmen: Perhaps it does have some merit, yes let's go for it.
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It could have been even worse....there was a rumour they were going to do away with lbws
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As usual the ECB have shown a complete lack of imagination. Here are a few things they could have tried.
Designated Superstar - as the new competition is going to be choc full of world cricket superstars it would be really unfortunate if,after your long journey to the Oval, the said superstar was out first ball. So lets allow each team one designated superstar whom the opposition have to get out twice. This will appeal to traditionalists as W.G Grace once pulled this trick.
Play the whole squad -let teams play their best 11 batsmen when batting and swap them out for fielders and bowlers when fielding. No more pesky collapses to spoil the six fest.
Clown Outfits - Play in clown outfits this will appeal to the young family audiences whilst allowing players to represent the true spirit of their Lords and Masters at the ECB.
You missed the obligatory scantily-clad dancers: presumably Nat and VP are available again?
The ECB are trying to attract a new family audience not frighten them away. Although that's not a bad idea if you want the whole thing to fail...I expect they could be persuaded if the money was right
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If it meant the whole thing would fail I am up for anything.
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No LBWs would put some Umpires out of business!!
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If it meant the whole thing would fail I am up for anything.
Somehow I thought you would be...
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So now we know it was all mumsnets idea. Only surprising thing really is that it’s not being called quidditch. Hang on Ravi with a broomstick might just wake him up.
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So now we know it was all mumsnets idea. Only surprising thing really is that it’s not being called quidditch.
Presumably this is why there was a call for free preseco as well as spa facilities as well?
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So now we know it was all mumsnets idea. Only surprising thing really is that it’s not being called quidditch.
Presumably this is why there was a call for free preseco as well as spa facilities as well?
'Preseco'? Is that some sort of northern aperitif?
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Presumably this is why there was a call for free preseco as well as spa facilities as well?
'Preseco'? Is that some sort of northern aperitif?
Yes. Although you soft southerners can't handle equal parts, gin white wine, meths and generally miserable arrogance towards anyone born outside of your own back street.
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One entity that was consulted, according to a report in the Times, was the parenting website Mumsnet. Andrew Strauss, England's director of cricket, said at the weekend the new format was aimed at appealing to "mums and kids".
Late Aprils's Fool surely!
What next? Beach Cricket Bash with a soggy tennis ball between the counties played at Jaywick, Deal, Dornoch, Whitby, Lymington, Southport etc. though don't fancy Leicester's home chances...
Seriously though ECB must have a lush money tree growing somewhere - Here in Colchester they splashed out on all weather pitches at Essex Uni and promoting the Last Man standing format that they plucked out off somewhere - Unfortunately they didn't do any research that there's already quite a thriving barebones midweek Evening League (15x 8 ball overs) that has been going for years run literally by an old man & his dog (Belka). Also traffic heading out at rush hour to get out of town to the Essex Uni has to through Greenstead Roundabout bottleneck making it entertaining for a six o'clock start...
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I never thought the lovely burgh of Dornoch would get a mention on here. A lovely place but a long way north for cricket
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Nice to hear that my Alma mater and ex-employer is investing in cricket and that the merry go round at Greensted is still bemused people (the trick is to keep going right if you want to get around quicker).
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Latest floater is 10 ball overs, with captains able to change bowlers during .
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Latest floater is 10 ball overs, with captains able to change bowlers during .
Good job Fozzy isn't captain then as the last over would take an hour.
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At last the players - particularly bowlers are saying things have gone too far and the PCA have raised serious concerns. Naturally the usual suspects, Root,Broad,Morgan, Hales and most disappointingly and inexplicably Cook are all for it. Let's hope the less well healed, journeyman players will mutiny and vote with their feet.
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most disappointingly and inexplicably Cook are all for it.
That's not how I read his comments.
He just understands why players are attracted to receiving barrel loads of cash for very little work in return.
Talking of which I bet KP will come out of retirement for this 100 ball jamboree.
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Apparently when this idea was mooted Yorks & Notts came out with gushing praise as did Hants - obviously because they are 3 of the grounds that will host it, also Eoin Morgan is in favour but then again he only plays limited overs & anything beyond 1 day cricket would be too much for him. Many Counties & their players are rightly worried about the implications for themselves & anyone signing a new contract is wary of what will happen in 2 years time.It's truly amazing how the ECB can create such uncertainty & unrest in cricket without almost really trying!!
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Apparently when this idea was mooted Yorks & Notts came out with gushing praise as did Hants - obviously because they are 3 of the grounds that will host it, also Eoin Morgan is in favour but then again he only plays limited overs & anything beyond 1 day cricket would be too much for him. Many Counties & their players are rightly worried about the implications for themselves & anyone signing a new contract is wary of what will happen in 2 years time.It's truly amazing how the ECB can create such uncertainty & unrest in cricket without almost really trying!!
He keeps saying he wants to play more 4 day cricket. He's injured at the moment and over the last couple of years he's made himself available for matches Middlesex have preferred other players in.
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He keeps saying he wants to play more 4 day cricket. He's injured at the moment and over the last couple of years he's made himself available for matches Middlesex have preferred other players in.
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Good for Middlesex who don't seem to want Morgan the mercenary in their 4 day team, they tend to keep faith with younger players, if Morgan played for us I wouldn't want to see him in the 4 day team as I think his technique isn't good enough.
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A good article about The 100 by Martin Samuel in his Daily Mail column yesterday, the gist being that it is aimed at non cricket fans who are more bothered about their next drink than the next over (how true) plus it's an outlet for their loud,boorish behaviour (how true again). Basically it won't bring in new people, it isn't cricket as we know it & it could well ruin the existing County T20 (SURELY WHAT THE ecb ACTUALLY WANT DESPITE THEIR DENIALS).
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The ECB want the destruction of all non test ground county cricket. Not just the T20.
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Alec Stewart on Sports extra said he was in favour of two divisions in the championship. So far so good. Then he said the first division should have 12 teams and the second 6! He made no attempt to explain how many games each team would play other than to say two up and down. Just when you think you have heard all the daft scenarios another is proposed. I despair.
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I think that idea has some merit.
Even under Grayson Essex would always have been in the top division.
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I think that idea has some merit.
Even under Grayson Essex would always have been in the top division.
Love and hate are two sides of the same coin (standard psychoanalysis). I think I now understand your irrational obsession with PG.
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Oscar Wilde said the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about.
The omerta about Larry speaks volumes.
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Love and hate are two sides of the same coin (standard psychoanalysis). I think I now understand your irrational obsession with PG.
Try telling that to a judge... ;)
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Good to see Graves hasn't given up on being an idiot! How the hell can he continue in his role when he clearly isn't fit for purpose? The man is a walking disaster with clearly no understanding of cricket, kids do like the game as he'd observe if he went to parks & cricket grounds, loads also play at SchooL to varying dgrees & standards. The Counties should register a vote of no confidence in him at ECB asap.
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Good to see Graves hasn't given up on being an idiot! How the hell can he continue in his role when he clearly isn't fit for purpose? The man is a walking disaster with clearly no understanding of cricket, kids do like the game as he'd observe if he went to parks & cricket grounds, loads also play at SchooL to varying dgrees & standards. The Counties should register a vote of no confidence in him at ECB asap.
Hear hear, although I think you are being harsh to idiots.
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After school cricket is alive and well at the school near us. It's not a posh grammar so perhaps CG should come here.
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According to today's Daily Mail Graves just seems to dig an even bigger hole for himself/ECB as Surrey quite rightly refuse to commit themselves fully to this absurd & stupid 100 without knowing full details, Graves seems to think they should just go ahead without knowing the full implications, probably similar to what many Counties did when agreeing to the new T20 idea (fortunately Mr Faragher didn't on our behalf).
Obviously the players views also need to be taken into account as there is a lot of confusion etc, surely even the ECB must realise you cannot just introduce something without explaining it in FULL & not just the bits you think they might want to hear.
Wait a minute - ECB don't do logic & common sense!!
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After school cricket is alive and well at the school near us. It's not a posh grammar so perhaps CG should come here.
Agree. You only need look at how wildly popular the "All Stars" under 7s programme is, which is being rolled out at cricket clubs across the county, to refute the accusation of cricket not being popular amongst youngsters.
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Graves claims 'they’ve' done surveys. However, I’ve never seen one published........ that’s not to say they haven’t been........ but professionally i had to be suspicious of people who came selling to my organisation and the ‘surveys’, user reviews, drug trial reports and so on.
Loads of things to query about surveys.
Who did them, what questions were asked ...... and how were the questions asked. Forums, individuals. It’s particularly difficult anyway to ‘survey’ children. Geographical, sociological areas considered. What discussions went on before the survey was constructed, let alone done. What was the brief given to the survey firm. How many firms were asked to quote. If there was only one, what’s it’s reputation. In political polling for example, some organisations have, for whatever reason, better reputations than others, although those poorly regarded firms may have better reputations elsewhere.
None of this has been reported. AFAIK, anyway.
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Popularity with the u7s ....up to the u11s is not the problem. They will largely do what they're told by their parents...who want some cheap childcare...trust me... I have seen it and been involved in it.
It is the u13s and upwards where the problem lies.
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At least the Essex Faithful aren't alone in thinking Graves is a complete *rseh*le:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2018/may/16/colin-graves-blazered-terminator-cricket-the-hundred-ecb?CMP=share_btn_tw
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"Colin Graves, the cricket-trashing Terminator" - Francis Wheen
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At least the Essex Faithful aren't alone in thinking Graves is a complete *rseh*le:
Great article. However my sphincter is now considering legal action after being likened to the ECB Chairman.
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Popularity with the u7s ....up to the u11s is not the problem. They will largely do what they're told by their parents...who want some cheap childcare...trust me... I have seen it and been involved in it.
It is the u13s and upwards where the problem lies.
Nat, I have a strong suspicion you are correct about this- in my recent experience teaching teenagers of 16-19 , I found they regarded cricket as seriously "uncool", rather like admitting liking jazz, birdwatching, real ale or folk music - those who do like such things tend to keep quiet about them.
I still can't see how Graves' ideas are going to do any good to reach kids/teenagers of any age .... he's like a bull in a china shop, the nearest thing the UK cricket world has produced to our own version of Donald Trump, albeit without the entertaining sex scandals to provide light entertainment.
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I wish we would dispense with this having to sign in and out particularly at lunchtime. Why is this necessary when it wasn’t some years ago? Also, do Essex members know of the link up with Newham Borough Council offering 100 free tickets to all CC matches? Is this not an insult to paying membership? I live in a so called “ poor “ Borough yet we are offered nothing like this. Personally I don’t object to paying for cricket but object to free loaders.
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I wish we would dispense with this having to sign in and out particularly at lunchtime. Why is this necessary when it wasn’t some years ago? Also, do Essex members know of the link up with Newham Borough Council offering 100 free tickets to all CC matches? Is this not an insult to paying membership? I live in a so called “ poor “ Borough yet we are offered nothing like this. Personally I don’t object to paying for cricket but object to free loaders.
Agreed. A bit like eating the seedcorn.
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I wish we would dispense with this having to sign in and out particularly at lunchtime. Why is this necessary when it wasn’t some years ago? Also, do Essex members know of the link up with Newham Borough Council offering 100 free tickets to all CC matches? Is this not an insult to paying membership? I live in a so called “ poor “ Borough yet we are offered nothing like this. Personally I don’t object to paying for cricket but object to free loaders.
Sorry but I can't agree. Even if all 100 were taken up for the same day there would still be room to spare. The marginal cost to the club is minimal and if even two or three people come again as paying customers, let alone become members, it will have been worthwhile.
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If freebies are being dished out to Newham residents it would make sense for a festival to be held in East London.
Can't see many traipsing out to Chelmsford.
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Popularity with the u7s ....up to the u11s is not the problem. They will largely do what they're told by their parents...who want some cheap childcare...trust me... I have seen it and been involved in it.
It is the u13s and upwards where the problem lies.
Nat, I have a strong suspicion you are correct about this- in my recent experience teaching teenagers of 16-19 , I found they regarded cricket as seriously "uncool", rather like admitting liking jazz, birdwatching, real ale or folk music - those who do like such things tend to keep quiet about them.
I still can't see how Graves' ideas are going to do any good to reach kids/teenagers of any age .... he's like a bull in a china shop, the nearest thing the UK cricket world has produced to our own version of Donald Trump, albeit without the entertaining sex scandals to provide light entertainment.
Someone else sees the Trump parallel. Really good article:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/the-hundred-ecb-english-cricket-board-colin-graves-jonathan-liew-a8456516.html
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I like Jonathan Lieuw's comment about interpretive dance. The last part needs quoting:
It’s blundering, pure and simple: a well-meaning idea that has long been stripped of all merit through incompetence, incoherence and a simple lack of faith in its own product. The ECB may be excited about its chained circus freak of a competition. But at present, you’d struggle to find anyone else who is.
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Ten , ten ball overs . Glad they took up my tongue in check suggestion !
But hold on a sec , what about 12th fielder in crowd , hole in bat , hole in wicket , bowling machine to bowl a ten ball over with settings from public interaction , throw a bucket of water over batsman while crossing, and ten minute bet interlude time for various incidents, all ideas on page six .
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Ten , ten ball overs . Glad they took up my tongue in check suggestion !
But hold on a sec , what about 12th fielder in crowd , hole in bat , hole in wicket , bowling machine to bowl a ten ball over with settings from public interaction , throw a bucket of water over batsman while crossing, and ten minute bet interlude time for various incidents, all ideas on page six .
...pity they didn't take up my big idea. Now, what to do with all those baked beans?
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Ten , ten ball overs . Glad they took up my tongue in check suggestion !
But hold on a sec , what about 12th fielder in crowd , hole in bat , hole in wicket , bowling machine to bowl a ten ball over with settings from public interaction , throw a bucket of water over batsman while crossing, and ten minute bet interlude time for various incidents, all ideas on page six .
Bwildered - please DON'T email your ideas to Graves, he might like them!!
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The best and only sensible option is to scrap immediately the whole stupid, ill conceived & ill thought out idea - but they won't!!!