Essex Outfielder : The Unofficial Essex CCC Forum
Cricket => Official Q&A => Topic started by: Ash_Essex on November 09, 2015, 03:40:46 PM
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Dear all,
Just to remind you, the Members' Forum is this Wednesday (11th) at 7pm. The Pavilion will be open to Members from 6pm to use the bar ahead of the event.
If you cannot make the event, please submit any questions you may have here; http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/members-forum-qa/
For Members who cannot attend Wednesday's event, a summary will be made available on the website.
If you have any other queries, please don't hesitate to get in touch.
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Dear all,
Just to remind you, the Members' Forum is this Wednesday (11th) at 7pm. The Pavilion will be open to Members from 6pm to use the bar ahead of the event.
If you cannot make the event, please submit any questions you may have here; http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/members-forum-qa/
For Members who cannot attend Wednesday's event, a summary will be made available on the website.
If you have any other queries, please don't hesitate to get in touch.
This is progress, and in the context of the perennially glacial pace of change at the eponymous ECCC, to be applauded.
It would be good for the Club to have to think on its collective feet though, and be faced with some tough questions, from people who are persistent and don't just accept any cobbled together reply as a full and honest 'answer'.
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In addition, there is now a confirmed attendees list for the evening - Derek Bowden (Chief Executive), Nigel Hilliard (Chairman), John Faragher (Deputy Chairman), Peter Northfield (Chairman of the Membership Committee), Ronnie Irani (Chairman of the Cricket Committee) and Jamie Porter (First Team).
You can still find all the details on the evening and the opportunity to send in your questions via the following link - http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/11/10/members-forum-november-11/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/11/10/members-forum-november-11/)
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You can still find all the details on the evening and the opportunity to send in your questions via the following link - http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/)
Dead link?
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In addition, there is now a confirmed attendees list for the evening - Derek Bowden (Chief Executive), Nigel Hilliard (Chairman), John Faragher (Deputy Chairman), Peter Northfield (Chairman of the Membership Committee), Ronnie Irani (Chairman of the Cricket Committee) and Jamie Porter (First Team).
You can still find all the details on the evening and the opportunity to send in your questions via the following link - http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/)
Well that sounds a good list of officials, but Jamie Porter? Why not Foster, or someone else senior, such as Westley (TBF think he's abroad) Napier or Masters.Even Mickleburgh!
I assume Hilliard will be prepared and competent to answer questions about the Redevelopment Scheme.
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In addition, there is now a confirmed attendees list for the evening - Derek Bowden (Chief Executive), Nigel Hilliard (Chairman), John Faragher (Deputy Chairman), Peter Northfield (Chairman of the Membership Committee), Ronnie Irani (Chairman of the Cricket Committee) and Jamie Porter (First Team).
You can still find all the details on the evening and the opportunity to send in your questions via the following link - http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/)
Well that sounds a good list of officials, but Jamie Porter? Why not Foster, or someone else senior, such as Westley (TBF think he's abroad) Napier or Masters.Even Mickleburgh!
I assume Hilliard will be prepared and competent to answer questions about the Redevelopment Scheme.
Jamie Porter to serve the gin and tonics?
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That would be a better job for Hilliard's skill set.
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I will not be attending. I have other engagements like going to the toilet.
Are the people on the top table going to hold hands and try and contact the living?
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Shame I can;'t be there but perhaps someone could ask a question on my behalf? Here it is;
Please would the club arrange a pre-season friendly with Durham UCCE? I'd pay good money to see big Ron vs PG.
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You can still find all the details on the evening and the opportunity to send in your questions via the following link - http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/)
Dead link?
Link is http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/11/10/members-forum-november-11/
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You can still find all the details on the evening and the opportunity to send in your questions via the following link - http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/ (http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/2015/10/16/members-forum-november-11/)
Dead link?
Link all fixed!
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Are the people on the top table going to hold hands and try and contact the living?
Post of this or any other year ;D
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Good turnout at the forum last night and there were some very good questions, I thought. The quality of answers varied, but I thought Ronnie came across well. The ground revelopment still (to me) remains unclear and there was an interesting split on the panel (Hilliard/Irani) on the issue of captaincy, particularly the limited overs sides. Fossie looks like he will carry on "for another two to three years", according to Ronnie. The issue of the new head coach remains central and I would like to see this resolved sooner, rather than later.
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Good turnout at the forum last night and there were some very good questions, I thought. The quality of answers varied, but I thought Ronnie came across well. The ground revelopment still (to me) remains unclear and there was an interesting split on the panel (Hilliard/Irani) on the issue of captaincy, particularly the limited overs sides. Fossie looks like he will carry on "for another two to three years", according to Ronnie. The issue of the new head coach remains central and I would like to see this resolved sooner, rather than later.
To be fair, Darren, it was made clear that, as far as the coach is concerned, there's a sensible on-going process. Adverts have placed, there have a number of responses, those have been evaluated by what appeared to be a competent sub-committee, and interviews are taking place. Where I would agree with you is that it seems that a process which we were originally told would be resolved by Jan 1st now looks like dragging on. We weren't told whether that is becauseof the time to interview people from outside the UK or because those in the know expect the appointee to have to give two or three months notice.
Agree about Ronnie, but I can imagine the Chairman having to tell Ronnie to back off at some point, to let the coach get on withn his job!
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This was a good meeting with an extremely high turnout.
Porter did well in what must have been an unfamiliar environment.
There was , to me at least, a clear subtext that the playing problems were all down to the previous regime i.e. PG. RI lost no time in pointing out that as soon as he took the chair results improved and he spent a long while berating past recruitment decisions e.g. Mahmood and Willoughby. He said the emphasis in future would be to play our youngsters ( although that was said last year and that didn't last past the first couple of poor results). Silverwood was mentioned very positively several times so I wouldn't put much money on an outside appointment.
Apparently we hadn't' lost' any players- they were all certain to leave anyway i.e. Foakes,Wheater,Mills and Topley.
It looks like the Olympic Stadium will be used and sooner rather than later - presumably for 20;20 only altho'that was not specified.
As Darren said it looks like the captaincy is open for debate.
The ground redevelopment is stalled and its prospects as depressing as ever and we only have a guarantee of one more year for Colchester and then only one 4 day game.
I could have sworn that both the Chairman and CEO had supported the proposals for a 14 game county championship i.e. not playing everybody twice but they denied it and said that the format for 2017 was still to be decided but could be a 1st division of 8 and a second division of 10 with two down and one up for that season.
RI was an odd mixture of amiable enthusiasm and humour but also defensiveness and aggression( repeatedly accusing some poor soul of negativity when he'd made what I thought was a quite innocuous remark) and I would have thought he might be constitutionally unable not to encroach on others' remits more than he should. New coach beware!
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it looks like the captaincy is open for debate.
When it should be done & dusted.
Foster out.
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RI lost no time in pointing out that as soon as he took the chair results improved
There's a surprise.
At least we know who to blame when it goes Pete Tong next season.
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This was a good meeting with an extremely high turnout.
Porter did well in what must have been an unfamiliar environment.
There was , to me at least, a clear subtext that the playing problems were all down to the previous regime i.e. PG. RI lost no time in pointing out that as soon as he took the chair results improved and he spent a long while berating past recruitment decisions e.g. Mahmood and Willoughby. He said the emphasis in future would be to play our youngsters ( although that was said last year and that didn't last past the first couple of poor results). Silverwood was mentioned very positively several times so I wouldn't put much money on an outside appointment.
Apparently we hadn't' lost' any players- they were all certain to leave anyway i.e. Foakes,Wheater,Mills and Topley.
It looks like the Olympic Stadium will be used and sooner rather than later - presumably for 20;20 only altho'that was not specified.
As Darren said it looks like the captaincy is open for debate.
The ground redevelopment is stalled and its prospects as depressing as ever and we only have a guarantee of one more year for Colchester and then only one 4 day game.
I could have sworn that both the Chairman and CEO had supported the proposals for a 14 game county championship i.e. not playing everybody twice but they denied it and said that the format for 2017 was still to be decided but could be a 1st division of 8 and a second division of 10 with two down and one up for that season.
RI was an odd mixture of amiable enthusiasm and humour but also defensiveness and aggression( repeatedly accusing some poor soul of negativity when he'd made what I thought was a quite innocuous remark) and I would have thought he might be constitutionally unable not to encroach on others' remits more than he should. New coach beware!
sadly typical of Irani, he still has the blinkered players mentality that anything other than sycophantic devotion is negativity. Interesting that CEO denied supporting 14 game championship because he does just that in his notes in the final members magazine this month. (Do try to keep track of your double speak Mr Bowden ! ). As for the ground development it is more than depressing, it is woeful, negligent and has the potential to finish the club. They talk of reviewing their plans in order not to go into debt but if we ever get to a point where the cricket facilities begin construction any plans created now will be as out of date as the originals. In reality the development is in such dire straits that there isn't even the money to build the next block of flats. Will ECCC be liable for debts on a collapsed building scheme ? At best we will have one block of flats which haven't even paid for themselves and a cricket ground that no longer meets legal requirements for staging public events, prime candidate for merging in a franchise future I'd say.
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Thanks for the meeting write-up. RI does look like an accident waiting to happen. The new coach will need to be an equally strong character. RI is correct about one thing though, the previous player recruitment was appalling.... Masters excepted.
Interesting to see that the only coaching gig PG could get was Durham UCCE.
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This was a good meeting with an extremely high turnout.
Porter did well in what must have been an unfamiliar environment.
There was , to me at least, a clear subtext that the playing problems were all down to the previous regime i.e. PG. RI lost no time in pointing out that as soon as he took the chair results improved and he spent a long while berating past recruitment decisions e.g. Mahmood and Willoughby. He said the emphasis in future would be to play our youngsters ( although that was said last year and that didn't last past the first couple of poor results). Silverwood was mentioned very positively several times so I wouldn't put much money on an outside appointment.
Apparently we hadn't' lost' any players- they were all certain to leave anyway i.e. Foakes,Wheater,Mills and Topley.
It looks like the Olympic Stadium will be used and sooner rather than later - presumably for 20;20 only altho'that was not specified.
As Darren said it looks like the captaincy is open for debate.
The ground redevelopment is stalled and its prospects as depressing as ever and we only have a guarantee of one more year for Colchester and then only one 4 day game.
I could have sworn that both the Chairman and CEO had supported the proposals for a 14 game county championship i.e. not playing everybody twice but they denied it and said that the format for 2017 was still to be decided but could be a 1st division of 8 and a second division of 10 with two down and one up for that season.
RI was an odd mixture of amiable enthusiasm and humour but also defensiveness and aggression( repeatedly accusing some poor soul of negativity when he'd made what I thought was a quite innocuous remark) and I would have thought he might be constitutionally unable not to encroach on others' remits more than he should. New coach beware!
How odd, I thought it was the current regime who appointed Grayson....and saw no reason to remove him as recently as the start of 2015 season. Rather rich of Irani to despair of the signing of Mahmood and Willoughby - I'd equate the pair of them with Tudor and Thomas; eh Ronnie? ::)
He always used to bang on about how positive he was, but I'm afraid his actions and body language depict(ed) something quite the opposite. He's a No Change Essex appointment, who is unwilling or unable to possess any self-awareness and blame everyone else, and who given enough of a reign will make the Club an even bigger laughing stock than they currently appear to be.
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This was a good meeting with an extremely high turnout.
Porter did well in what must have been an unfamiliar environment.
There was , to me at least, a clear subtext that the playing problems were all down to the previous regime i.e. PG. RI lost no time in pointing out that as soon as he took the chair results improved and he spent a long while berating past recruitment decisions e.g. Mahmood and Willoughby. He said the emphasis in future would be to play our youngsters ( although that was said last year and that didn't last past the first couple of poor results). Silverwood was mentioned very positively several times so I wouldn't put much money on an outside appointment.
Apparently we hadn't' lost' any players- they were all certain to leave anyway i.e. Foakes,Wheater,Mills and Topley.
It looks like the Olympic Stadium will be used and sooner rather than later - presumably for 20;20 only altho'that was not specified.
As Darren said it looks like the captaincy is open for debate.
The ground redevelopment is stalled and its prospects as depressing as ever and we only have a guarantee of one more year for Colchester and then only one 4 day game.
I could have sworn that both the Chairman and CEO had supported the proposals for a 14 game county championship i.e. not playing everybody twice but they denied it and said that the format for 2017 was still to be decided but could be a 1st division of 8 and a second division of 10 with two down and one up for that season.
RI was an odd mixture of amiable enthusiasm and humour but also defensiveness and aggression( repeatedly accusing some poor soul of negativity when he'd made what I thought was a quite innocuous remark) and I would have thought he might be constitutionally unable not to encroach on others' remits more than he should. New coach beware!
How odd, I thought it was the current regime who appointed Grayson....and saw no reason to remove him as recently as the start of 2015 season. Rather rich of Irani to despair of the signing of Mahmood and Willoughby - I'd equate the pair of them with Tudor and Thomas; eh Ronnie? ::)
He always used to bang on about how positive he was, but I'm afraid his actions and body language depict(ed) something quite the opposite. He's a No Change Essex appointment, who is unwilling or unable to possess any self-awareness and blame everyone else, and who given enough of a reign will make the Club an even bigger laughing stock than they currently appear to be.
Thomas signing was unfortunate. He played plenty of cricket at Glamorgan and was fit when he signed. He badly injured his shoulder in preseason and that meant he couldn't play for Essex. Hardly Irani's fault.
The Tudor signing was a strange one. He was signed on a pay as you play which was certainly a fair enough gamble but after he didnt do that well he was given a full contract which was a joke really.
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I'll defend the Tudor signing .... he was still bowling rapid but for some reason didn't take many wickets. In the end he got frustrated and lost all control.
Overall I think PG had a far worse record than anything RI did. Not saying RI was a good captain, far from it but an up an' at 'em approach had a certain (limited) appeal.
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Interesting to see that the only coaching gig PG could get was Durham UCCE.
I'd say he's a lucky boy to even land that gig.
PE teacher at a sink comp is about his true level of coaching ability.
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Thanks Pablo. Excellent report.
I look forward to seeing the official report, which, apparently, is being emailed to all attenders, and which will also be on the website (Full version or amended? D/K)
I too got the impression that Bowden and Hilliard had supported all Championship options (including the status quo) on offer, at various times. Bowden and RI were also very, very keen on the Olympic stadium for all forms of limited over cricket, not just 20/20, as are, allegedly England, although there is the little matter of a satisfactory "drop in" pitch to be sorted out.
I also understood that what I had thought was a “done deal” on the re-development wasn’t, and that changes in the contractual arrangements were pretty well an ongoping feature, due, so far as I could understand Bowden, to the fact that building costs are currently rising faster than the prices for which the flats can be sold, although the majority of them have been either sold or committed to alrerady.The first block is apparently largely "buy to let”, which explains why it’s substantially unoccupied at the moment, and the second will be largely social housing. C& D are a mix, but again buyers are, apparently, committed to them.
If anyone who knows about housing development processes could help me sort my head out on this I’d be grateful.
Didn’t get the impression that the capatincy was up for discussion, except in principle, at the moment. RI opined that Foster had at least another 3 or so years left at the top. To be fair, he did go on quite a bit about the need for players to think about their post-cricket lives and as they got into their thirties, prepare for them.
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After dinner speaking is lucrative apparently.
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JF may have another 3 years of playing time but I'd be surprised if the incoming coach thought it was a good idea for him to continue to be captain.
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JF may have another 3 years of playing time but I'd be surprised if the incoming coach thought it was a good idea for him to continue to be captain.
I'd be surprised if the incoming coach got much of a say seeing that it as Ronnie that gave him a new extended contract towards the end of last season.
Maybe it depends on how strong the new coach is and how much Foster listens to him or does his own thing.
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how much Foster listens to him or does his own thing.
Not sure Foster listens to anyone.
I genuinely get the impression that he thinks he's doing a good job.
But then with Hilliard & Bowden being in charge mediocrity rules supreme.
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how much Foster listens to him or does his own thing.
Not sure Foster listens to anyone.
I genuinely get the impression that he thinks he's doing a good job.
Not much point having a coach then is there?
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There is if his first job is to appoint a new captain.
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Thanks Pablo. Excellent report.
I too got the impression that Bowden and Hilliard had supported all Championship options (including the status quo) on offer, at various times. Bowden and RI were also very, very keen on the Olympic stadium for all forms of limited over cricket, not just 20/20, as are, allegedly England, although there is the little matter of a satisfactory "drop in" pitch to be sorted out.
So are we looking at all white ball cricket at Stratford, building flats all over Chelmsford and playing half dozen 4 day games on out grounds? Better roll out the mobile scoreboard!
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Ah the mobile scoreboard.
At least it's quicker on updating the score than the new one at Chelmsford.
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Ah the mobile scoreboard.
At least it's quicker on updating the score than the new one at Chelmsford.
I have a real affection for the mobile scoreboard. As a junior member in the 70s, my dream job was operating it. I never reached those heights.
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Ah the mobile scoreboard.
At least it's quicker on updating the score than the new one at Chelmsford.
I have a real affection for the mobile scoreboard. As a junior member in the 70s, my dream job was operating it. I never reached those heights.
it's OK, you don't have to reach those heights, they have a long pole for the high up numbers.
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I am still to receive an e-mail with the official summary of this meeting. Anybody else in the same boat ?
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I am still to receive an e-mail with the official summary of this meeting. Anybody else in the same boat ?
I've put a request note on the Facebook site.
So far, zilch.
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Dear all,
Just to remind you, the Members' Forum is this Wednesday (11th) at 7pm. The Pavilion will be open to Members from 6pm to use the bar ahead of the event.
If you cannot make the event, please submit any questions you may have here; http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/members-forum-qa/
For Members who cannot attend Wednesday's event, a summary will be made available on the website.
If you have any other queries, please don't hesitate to get in touch.
Having paid a visit to the ECCC official website this morning, I can find no summary of the Members Forum - now almost two weeks after it took place. Is Irani still using his crayon in censoring the aspects of it unflattering to him?
Once again, it's all very laudable promising "innovation" at ECCC, but it seems to be more empty words. ::)
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Give them a (slight) break. It's the close season and most members are Christmas shopping or huddling up close to their one radiator whilst watching daytime TV.
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Dear all,
Just to remind you, the Members' Forum is this Wednesday (11th) at 7pm. The Pavilion will be open to Members from 6pm to use the bar ahead of the event.
If you cannot make the event, please submit any questions you may have here; http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/members-forum-qa/
For Members who cannot attend Wednesday's event, a summary will be made available on the website.
If you have any other queries, please don't hesitate to get in touch.
Having paid a visit to the ECCC official website this morning, I can find no summary of the Members Forum - now almost two weeks after it took place. Is Irani still using his crayon in censoring the aspects of it unflattering to him?
Once again, it's all very laudable promising "innovation" at ECCC, but it seems to be more empty words. ::)
Anyone know Derek Bowden's or Nigel Hilliard's email addresses? Otherwise it's going to have to be snail mail complaint!
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Ah the mobile scoreboard.
At least it's quicker on updating the score than the new one at Chelmsford.
That's because it is real-time updating unlike the main scoreboard which has to wait whilst the position to which the ball was hit has been plotted.
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Dear all,
Just to remind you, the Members' Forum is this Wednesday (11th) at 7pm. The Pavilion will be open to Members from 6pm to use the bar ahead of the event.
If you cannot make the event, please submit any questions you may have here; http://www.essexcricket.org.uk/members-forum-qa/
For Members who cannot attend Wednesday's event, a summary will be made available on the website.
If you have any other queries, please don't hesitate to get in touch.
Having paid a visit to the ECCC official website this morning, I can find no summary of the Members Forum - now almost two weeks after it took place. Is Irani still using his crayon in censoring the aspects of it unflattering to him?
Once again, it's all very laudable promising "innovation" at ECCC, but it seems to be more empty words. ::)
Anyone know Derek Bowden's or Nigel Hilliard's email addresses? Otherwise it's going to have to be snail mail complaint!
wouldn't have thought Laurel and Hardy would make email addresses public for obvious reasons.
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Ah the mobile scoreboard.
At least it's quicker on updating the score than the new one at Chelmsford.
That's because it is real-time updating unlike the main scoreboard which has to wait whilst the position to which the ball was hit has been plotted.
Tony. I think most of us appreciate the work you have done to get the scoreboard into shape. BUT it is still far too slow!! Most of ended up checking the manual board first. Is it true that it will not be used next season.
Surely someone else can plot the wagonwheels etc.
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Just tell the US Military that the two batsmen are Ahmed and Khan - they'll then let Tony borrow their hi tech, hi-speed, GPS targeting for the wagon wheels.
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Just tell the US Military that the two batsmen are Ahmed and Khan - they'll then let Tony borrow their hi tech, hi-speed, GPS targeting for the wagon wheels.
...and probably end up blowing up the Tom Pearce stand in a collateral damage incident. Who said good ?
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Just tell the US Military that the two batsmen are Ahmed and Khan - they'll then let Tony borrow their hi tech, hi-speed, GPS targeting for the wagon wheels.
...and probably end up blowing up the Tom Pearce stand in a collateral damage incident. Who said good ?
No - probably more likely to wipe out Garon Park!
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Just tell the US Military that the two batsmen are Ahmed and Khan - they'll then let Tony borrow their hi tech, hi-speed, GPS targeting for the wagon wheels.
...and probably end up blowing up the Tom Pearce stand in a collateral damage incident. Who said good ?
No - probably more likely to wipe out Garon Park!
the air would be full of cries of "good" and the sky black with hats thrown aloft, but would a bomb damaged Garon look any different ? A desolate crater.
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No - probably more likely to wipe out Garon Park!
the air would be full of cries of "good" and the sky black with hats thrown aloft, but would a bomb damaged Garon look any different ? A desolate crater.
Then the ECB Pitch Inspector would come along...
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Just to confirm that I received copies of the minutes of the members forum by email today.
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Still haven't got mine.