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Cricket => Essex Second XI => Topic started by: nat on May 06, 2024, 01:58:22 PM

Title: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: nat on May 06, 2024, 01:58:22 PM
I hope the coaches/managers get stuck in to our batsmen. Breezy 30s/40s won't get you into the 1st XI.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Perov on May 06, 2024, 06:02:23 PM
Probably turned up at Billericay  wondering where the teams were. Switched to Somerset without  informing members. Typical shoddy administration,  typified  by the usual late production  of the Year Book.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Slogger on May 07, 2024, 05:19:05 AM
Late production of the year book now the norm. It wouldn't have happened in Mr Edwards' day.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: bwildered on May 07, 2024, 08:58:12 AM
Probably turned up at Billericay  wondering where the teams were. Switched to Somerset without  informing members. Typical shoddy administration,  typified  by the usual late production  of the Year Book.

Possibly with accommodation pre booked and Championship game finished early chance, opportunity arose .
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Crisp on May 07, 2024, 10:07:56 AM
Probably turned up at Billericay  wondering where the teams were. Switched to Somerset without  informing members. Typical shoddy administration,  typified  by the usual late production  of the Year Book.

Couldn't agree more, provide a reason, let the public know and why couldn't it have been moved to Chelmsford?

A certain Mr Jack Leach is captaining Somerset.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: nat on May 07, 2024, 06:55:28 PM
At least Benny-boy is batting properly. We *must* keep him onboard.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: nat on May 07, 2024, 07:00:55 PM
I think the counties are consciously driving 2XI cricket to extinction. There can still be value in playing 2XI 4-day matches but they should be regionalised to do away with overnight stays. A senior pro should captain (as used to be the case) and it should be 11-a-side with no parachuting in/out of players.

Essex could play K*nt, Middx, Slurry and/or perhaps join the Minor Counties 4-day leagues. Play home/away to give c. 12-14 matches through the season.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: NotAMember on May 08, 2024, 12:09:01 PM
Probably turned up at Billericay  wondering where the teams were. Switched to Somerset without  informing members.

Indeed there is a small number, but a number nevertheless, of people who attend these matches (not necessarily members, they can be people who will just watch a match anywhere or are cricketing ground hoppers).

It is easy for clubs to be dismissive of these or even think of them as cranks, but the amount of money many put back into the wider economy through regularly attending cricket even if it is free to watch (travel, buying food and drink, in some cases even overnight stays) must be greater than the total spend of someone who just goes to one day of Test cricket a year. I know of at least one person who racks up around 100 days a season.

Plus it is enthusiasts such as them that also support the game by buying things such as the Cricket Paper, the Second XI Annual, unusual cricket books published by Pitch Publishing and so on.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: nat on May 08, 2024, 12:15:59 PM
Probably turned up at Billericay  wondering where the teams were. Switched to Somerset without  informing members.

Indeed there is a small number, but a number nevertheless, of people who attend these matches (not necessarily members, they can be people who will just watch a match anywhere or are cricketing ground hoppers).

It is easy for clubs to be dismissive of these or even think of them as cranks, but the amount of money many put back into the wider economy through regularly attending cricket even if it is free to watch (travel, buying food and drink, in some cases even overnight stays) must be greater than the total spend of someone who just goes to one day of Test cricket a year. I know of at least one person who racks up around 100 days a season.

Plus it is enthusiasts such as them that also support the game by buying things such as the Cricket Paper, the Second XI Annual, unusual cricket books published by Pitch Publishing and so on.

You don't expect the 'nil marks' employed at ECCC to recognise that do you?!
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Slogger on May 08, 2024, 02:51:03 PM
The high summer mini festivals at Halstead and (especially) Coggeshall were very well supported. I estimate about 500 people would be at the white ball day at Coggeshall. The club missed a trick in dropping those venues.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: essexfan548 on May 08, 2024, 05:28:57 PM
Good win by 7 runs today - Benkenstein took 11 wickets
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: nat on May 08, 2024, 05:54:20 PM
Good win by 7 runs today - Benkenstein took 11 wickets

I'm sure he and the coaches won't be fooled by his stats. Some real filth amongst those wickets.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: smandlej on May 08, 2024, 05:55:12 PM
Quite exciting at the end, watching the scorecard.

Lynda
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: essexfan548 on May 08, 2024, 06:36:41 PM
Quite exciting at the end, watching the scorecard.

Lynda

There was Livestream coverage :)
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Andy on May 08, 2024, 08:56:09 PM
Good win by 7 runs today - Benkenstein took 11 wickets

I'm sure he and the coaches won't be fooled by his stats. Some real filth amongst those wickets.

Another of your prot?g?s?
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: dazedpenguin on May 09, 2024, 09:07:28 AM
Benkenstein's 27 wickets in 4 games in the seconds is not too shabby, despite questions about the quality of some of the opposition (and their ability to play leg spin). Who was the last Essex bowler to do that?

But if there was a higher standard somewhere between the seconds and the first team then that would be better preparation.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Perov on May 09, 2024, 09:33:18 AM
Gary Sainsbury took 28 wickets in 3 second eleven  games in 1982.
A left arm seamer,  he moved on to Gloucester.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: dazedpenguin on May 09, 2024, 10:04:41 AM
Gary Sainsbury took 28 wickets in 3 second eleven  games in 1982.
A left arm seamer,  he moved on to Gloucester.

Thanks. I vaguely remember him. Not much chance for another left arm seamer with John Lever in the side. And going by cricinfo he went on to have a decent career for Gloucs.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Slogger on May 09, 2024, 12:02:32 PM
Sainsbury made his debut in 1979 after the championship was won and I think he also played in the match at Lord's v MCC in early 1980. He did ok at Gloucester, who capped him as he retired.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Slogger on May 09, 2024, 12:28:09 PM
If my memory after 45 years is accurate, Sainsbury's debut waa against Northants. He beat the bat a fair bit with no luck, especially against a left hander (Jim Watts?)

It waan't too usual in those days for a player to leave Essex and go somewhere else.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Oldhasbeen on May 09, 2024, 12:42:59 PM
If my memory after 45 years is accurate, Sainsbury's debut waa against Northants. He beat the bat a fair bit with no luck, especially against a left hander (Jim Watts?)

It waan't too usual in those days for a player to leave Essex and go somewhere else.
My memory is similar. A lot of members were unhappy about him leaving
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: bobw on May 09, 2024, 07:41:08 PM
Sainsbury made his debut in 1979 after the championship was won and I think he also played in the match at Lord's v MCC in early 1980. He did ok at Gloucester, who capped him as he retired.

Sainsbury did indeed open the bowling a Lords Vs MCC. He had JKL at the other end. Is this the only occasion Essex opened with to left are over seamers?
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Perov on May 09, 2024, 08:22:38 PM
I'm sure it's not that rare,  for example in 2001 when Essex played Australia  in their second innings Mark Ilott and Justin Bishop opened the bowling and both we left armers.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: JasonP on May 09, 2024, 08:22:55 PM
Sainsbury made his debut in 1979 after the championship was won and I think he also played in the match at Lord's v MCC in early 1980. He did ok at Gloucester, who capped him as he retired.

Sainsbury did indeed open the bowling a Lords Vs MCC. He had JKL at the other end. Is this the only occasion Essex opened with to left are over seamers?

No idea how I remembered this but it happened in the second innings here.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-one-2017-1068074/essex-vs-warwickshire-1068553/full-scorecard
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: dazedpenguin on May 09, 2024, 08:26:03 PM
Sainsbury did indeed open the bowling a Lords Vs MCC. He had JKL at the other end. Is this the only occasion Essex opened with to left are over seamers?

Reece Topley and Tymal Mills have played together a few times and they all played in 2011 as well as the legendary Lonwabo Lopsy Tsotsobe. So 2 out of 3 of them could have opened at one point. David Masters was part of the team then so he would have opened if he was playing.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: dazedpenguin on May 09, 2024, 08:26:47 PM

No idea how I remembered this but it happened in the second innings here.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-div-one-2017-1068074/essex-vs-warwickshire-1068553/full-scorecard

Outstanding.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Andy on May 10, 2024, 07:13:24 AM
If my memory after 45 years is accurate, Sainsbury's debut waa against Northants. He beat the bat a fair bit with no luck, especially against a left hander (Jim Watts?)

It waan't too usual in those days for a player to leave Essex and go somewhere else.

Was it?  Steve Malone is another around that time who had to move to get better first team chances but can?t think of many others. 

Plenty of players in the seconds who moved on (usually out of the game) but it was later on, when the club wasn?t doing so well, that it seemed to dispense of young players who went off to have reasonable careers elsewhere. It was also the time that KC Newton discussed in her report. Cause and effect?

Now we have muppets who are established players leaving to go to further their international careers, plus Ravi who moved to avoid winning trophies.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Slogger on May 10, 2024, 01:23:41 PM
Agreed Andy, it wasn't too usual then. My dad briefly worked with Malone who, I think played for Glamorgan and Hants? I can't recall anyone else leaving until people like Chris Gladwin around 1987?
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Perov on May 10, 2024, 03:54:05 PM
Plenty who played first team cricket and moved on to other counties. For example, Chopra, Shahid, Goldleman, Jefferson, Anderson, Middlbrook, Adam Seymour, John Stephenson, Wheater, Chris Wright etc.
Matt Fosh left Essex to become a millionaire!
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: bwildered on May 10, 2024, 07:14:45 PM
Plenty who played first team cricket and moved on to other counties. For example, Chopra, Shahid, Goldleman, Jefferson, Anderson, Middlbrook, Adam Seymour, John Stephenson, Wheater, Chris Wright etc.
Matt Fosh left Essex to become a millionaire!

Nick Knight, JJ Lewis, Steven Peters and Pallandino are others who had decent careers elsewhere.
Title: Re: vs Ciderset stiffs
Post by: Andy on May 10, 2024, 09:37:27 PM
But you?ve all proved my point!  Look at the era in which these players left, apart from Matt Fosh. Mid 1990s onwards.

But most had a good couple or more seasons post Essex.  As the likes of Malone and Sainsbury showed, back then we had better in the first, by the 1990s we let go players who were better than the first team.